[Jay[_11_]]

I have a recording situation I don't often do but I'm going to take some of
my equipment to a chapel and record some people.
I have everything setup except I need headphones to monitor and especially
for mic setup.
Because of circumstances I can't isolate my self from the players.
Can anyone recommend headphones that sound good and as neutral as possible
for my budget which I suppose could go as high as 250-300?
Ideally less of course.

Thanks

J

[cedricl]

On Feb 29, 5:20*pm, "Jay" wrote:
I have a recording situation I don't often do but I'm going to take some of
my equipment to a chapel and record some people.
I have everything setup except I need headphones to monitor and especially
for mic setup.
Because of circumstances I can't isolate my self from the players.
Can anyone recommend headphones that sound good and as neutral as possible
for my budget which I suppose could go as high as 250-300?
Ideally less of course.

Thanks

J

You can't go wrong with the Sony MDR V6. Detailed and nice isolation.

[RD Jones]

On Feb 29, 5:20*pm, "Jay" wrote:

I have a recording situation I don't often do but I'm going to take some of
my equipment to a chapel and record some people.
I have everything setup except I need headphones to monitor and especially
for mic setup.
Because of circumstances I can't isolate my self from the players.
Can anyone recommend headphones that sound good and as neutral as possible
for my budget which I suppose could go as high as 250-300?
Ideally less of course.

On Feb 29, 9:00 pm, cedricl wrote:
You can't go wrong with the Sony MDR V6. Detailed and nice isolation.

The popular consensus for "studio phones" are the Sony 7506's.
(nearly identical to the V6)
They have decent isolation. They're not neutral, but rather bright.
I suppose that leads to them being detailed.
I bought them for tracking and editing, a job they are well suited to.

My old Koss Pro4AA's would have been a better phone for what you
need. I don't think you can get them any more.

AKG, Sennheiser ad Grado are some choices.
I won't recommend a particular model though, because 'phones vary
from person to person due to the way the ear itself interacts with a
closed "can". (mine especially)

rd

[Jay[_11_]]

Any thoughts on the Bayerdynamic DT 880?
Or the Sennheiser HD600?

Thanks

J

[Scott Dorsey]

Jay wrote:
I have a recording situation I don't often do but I'm going to take some of
my equipment to a chapel and record some people.
I have everything setup except I need headphones to monitor and especially
for mic setup.
Because of circumstances I can't isolate my self from the players.
Can anyone recommend headphones that sound good and as neutral as possible
for my budget which I suppose could go as high as 250-300?
Ideally less of course.

Etymotic in-ears, with David Clark hearing protectors over top.

Do not attempt to judge imaging for stereo miking with them, but they
are great for dialogue work.

The Sony MDR-V6 is very inaccurate but can be great for field recording
work; the tipped-up high end exaggerates noise problems so you can catch
them.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

RD Jones wrote:

The popular consensus for "studio phones" are the Sony 7506's.
(nearly identical to the V6)
They have decent isolation. They're not neutral, but rather bright.
I suppose that leads to them being detailed.

Rather bright? They are mindblowingly bright. They are shriekingly
totally out of control bright. They are "turn the EQ up all the way
and then turn it up more" bright.

I bought them for tracking and editing, a job they are well suited to.

They are my favorite editing phones.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[jakdedert]

RD Jones wrote:
On Feb 29, 5:20 pm, "Jay" wrote:

I have a recording situation I don't often do but I'm going to take some of
my equipment to a chapel and record some people.
I have everything setup except I need headphones to monitor and especially
for mic setup.
Because of circumstances I can't isolate my self from the players.
Can anyone recommend headphones that sound good and as neutral as possible
for my budget which I suppose could go as high as 250-300?
Ideally less of course.

On Feb 29, 9:00 pm, cedricl wrote:
You can't go wrong with the Sony MDR V6. Detailed and nice isolation.

The popular consensus for "studio phones" are the Sony 7506's.
(nearly identical to the V6)
They have decent isolation. They're not neutral, but rather bright.
I suppose that leads to them being detailed.
I bought them for tracking and editing, a job they are well suited to.

My old Koss Pro4AA's would have been a better phone for what you
need. I don't think you can get them any more.

AKG, Sennheiser ad Grado are some choices.
I won't recommend a particular model though, because 'phones vary
from person to person due to the way the ear itself interacts with a
closed "can". (mine especially)

rd

The ProrAA's are being produced again, after an absence of 20 or so
years...at least I heard so a year or two ago. I've got a set of their
successor Pro4AAA's, which were a short-lived replacement. They're much
more comfortable, but still like wearing a big, heavy--but soft--Pony
clamp on your head. Nice sound, though.

I've also a set of K141a AKG's that I could recommend.

I like the Sony's mentioned more for the bottom end. You can always
turn the treble down, but you can't reproduce the 'thump' that comes out
of them by increasing the bass on lesser cans.

Otherwise, I'm a troglodyte as far as headphone go. I've had the Kosses
since the 70's, and bought the AKG's recently at an auction...the only
headphone purchase I've made in the last 30 years.

jak

[andrejs eigus]

Audio-Technica ATH M50 !


"Jay" wrote in message
t...
I have a recording situation I don't often do but I'm going to take some of
my equipment to a chapel and record some people.
I have everything setup except I need headphones to monitor and especially
for mic setup.
Because of circumstances I can't isolate my self from the players.
Can anyone recommend headphones that sound good and as neutral as possible
for my budget which I suppose could go as high as 250-300?
Ideally less of course.

Thanks

J

[Mark]

On Feb 29, 11:39*pm, "andrejs eigus" wrote:
Audio-Technica ATH M50 !

"Jay" wrote in message

t...



I have a recording situation I don't often do but I'm going to take some of
my equipment to a chapel and record some people.
I have everything setup except I need headphones to monitor and especially
for mic setup.
Because of circumstances I can't isolate my self from the players.
Can anyone recommend headphones that sound good and as neutral as possible
for my budget which I suppose could go as high as 250-300?
Ideally less of course.

Thanks

J- Hide quoted text -

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I agree isolation is probably the most important issue..

Here's what I did since I'm on a tight budget..

I bought a set of Howard Leight Thunder 29 hearing protectors made for
shooting. I carefully opened the cans and wired in a set of drivers
that I ripped out of some Sony headphones. They work great, a little
shy on bass but the isolation is great. Just seal up the holes that
you drill to put the wires through.

Mark

[[email protected]]

On Feb 29, 7:29*pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
RD Jones wrote:

The popular consensus for "studio phones" are the Sony 7506's.
(nearly identical to the V6)
They have decent isolation. They're not neutral, but rather bright.
I suppose that leads to them being detailed.

Rather bright? *They are mindblowingly bright. *They are shriekingly
totally out of control bright. *They are "turn the EQ up all the way
and then turn it up more" bright.

I bought them for tracking and editing, a job they are well suited to.

They are my favorite editing phones.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. *C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

And Scott is fairly understated about the 7506. IEMs covered with an
outer isolater is the best. My best practices now includes some
Westone UM-2s and Audio-Technica ATH-M50s. Use the ATH-M50s during
setup for mic placement and balance. Then go to UM-2s covered with
(inactive) ATH-M50s for more isolation during the show. Keep mouth
closed. Bass leakage goes up with an open mouth.

bobs

BS Studios / SoundSmith Labs
we organize chaos

[Jay Ts]

andrejs eigus wrote:
Audio-Technica ATH M50 !

I've read some positive comments about the Audio-Technica
ATH-M50 here, but unfortunately, there's no place nearby
for me to audition them.

Can anyone compare the ATH-M50 to:

1) Sony MDR-7506
2) AKG K240DM

As with the OP (the other Jay) also looking for an
accurate and neutral sound. Low distortion, wide and
flat frequency response, good transient response, etc.

My MDR-7506's are great for pinpointing (exaggerating?)
audio problems during tracking, but they have too much
bass and are a little too sharp sounding to use for
other purposes, like listening to a final mix.

I'd like something similar to what my worn-out K240DF's
were like when they were new, but with a closed design
and better accuracy if possible.

(BTW, how do you wear out K240DFs? You use them to monitor
while developing an electronic circuit, and after plugging
some more components into the breadboard, you look over and
notice that the headphones were plugged into the amp,
the volume control was turned all the way up ... and the
"little" clicks you thought were coming from the speakers
were actually from the 'phones! ;-)

Jay Ts
--
To contact me, use this web page:
http://www.jayts.com/contact.php

[Russell Dawkins]

On Feb 29, 9:57 pm, Jay Ts wrote:
andrejs eigus wrote:
Audio-Technica ATH M50 !

I've read some positive comments about the Audio-Technica
ATH-M50 here, but unfortunately, there's no place nearby
for me to audition them.

Can anyone compare the ATH-M50 to:

1) Sony MDR-7506
2) AKG K240DM

As with the OP (the other Jay) also looking for an
accurate and neutral sound. Low distortion, wide and
flat frequency response, good transient response, etc.

My MDR-7506's are great for pinpointing (exaggerating?)
audio problems during tracking, but they have too much
bass and are a little too sharp sounding to use for
other purposes, like listening to a final mix.

I'd like something similar to what my worn-out K240DF's
were like when they were new, but with a closed design
and better accuracy if possible.

(BTW, how do you wear out K240DFs? You use them to monitor
while developing an electronic circuit, and after plugging
some more components into the breadboard, you look over and
notice that the headphones were plugged into the amp,
the volume control was turned all the way up ... and the
"little" clicks you thought were coming from the speakers
were actually from the 'phones! ;-)

Jay Ts
--
To contact me, use this web page:http://www.jayts.com/contact.php

I've never heard a conventional closed back over-the-ear design that
was as accurate as an AKG 240df, but the Audio Technica ATH M50 is
close, with vastly better bass (not to speak of more easily driven).
Apparently the new 271s are good, but I haven't heard them.

To my ears the closest approach to the AKG 240df sound, but with
isolation, would be the Etymotic ER4S. You have to be able to tolerate
the feeling of them in your ear, though, and they're less handy by far
in some recording situations where you are constantly being approached
and talked to. It's a pain to be taking them out and putting them back
in all the time.

[Andre Majorel]

On 2008-03-01, Jay wrote:

Any thoughts on the Bayerdynamic DT 880?

I tried the related DT 770. Except for one very conspicuous bump
in the mids, they sounded pretty good.

Or the Sennheiser HD600?

Aren't those deluxe HD 580 ? The HD 580 sound very good, very
neutral but they're open back headphones. No isolation
whatsoever.

The best isolation I've seen is the Sennheiser HD 280.
Unfortunately, the frequency response is very spiky. I had to
return mine after a few days.

The AKG K271 studio have good isolation but the frequency
response is also ****ed in the high mids. They're fatiguing.

The least acoustically unpleasant option I've found so far is
the Shure E3. They have bumps, but lower in the mids than the HD
280 or K271 so they're not as fatiguing. Unfortunately, they're
hard to insert or remove and the soft plastic bit tends to stay
in your ear. Have tweezers handy.

Also check the Audio Technica ATH-M40. They're anything but
neutral (wide and tall bump in the low mids) and the isolation
is not the best but they're cheap and probably less fatiguing
than the HD 280 or K271. I say "probably" because I've only used
them for a few minutes.

--
André Majorel URL:http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/
(Counterfeit: )
"I drink, I smoke, I gamble, I chase girls--but postal chess is
one vice I don't have." -- Mikhail Tal

[Ty Ford]

On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:20:01 -0500, Jay wrote
(in article ):

I have a recording situation I don't often do but I'm going to take some of
my equipment to a chapel and record some people.
I have everything setup except I need headphones to monitor and especially
for mic setup.
Because of circumstances I can't isolate my self from the players.
Can anyone recommend headphones that sound good and as neutral as possible
for my budget which I suppose could go as high as 250-300?
Ideally less of course.

Thanks

J



Audio-Technica M50.

No sales pitch. Just try 'em.

Regards,

Ty Ford

--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU

[Arny Krueger]

"Jay" wrote in message
t
I have a recording situation I don't often do but I'm
going to take some of my equipment to a chapel and record
some people. I have everything setup except I need headphones to
monitor and especially for mic setup.
Because of circumstances I can't isolate my self from the
players. Can anyone recommend headphones that sound good and as
neutral as possible for my budget which I suppose could
go as high as 250-300? Ideally less of course.

Audio-Technica ATH-M50.

Just finished a band festival gig where I used them for monitoring. Live and
headphone sound were very similar. Mic was Rode NT4.

[Geoff]

Ty Ford wrote:
Audio-Technica M50.

No sales pitch. Just try 'em.


Agreed.

I have:
ATH-M50
HD280
K240S
K271S
K270
MDR-7506
K141S
+++ ????

I prefer the ATs overall of the above, for everything just now.

geoff

[Tim Padrick]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
"Jay" wrote in message
t
I have a recording situation I don't often do but I'm
going to take some of my equipment to a chapel and record
some people. I have everything setup except I need headphones to
monitor and especially for mic setup.
Because of circumstances I can't isolate my self from the
players. Can anyone recommend headphones that sound good and as
neutral as possible for my budget which I suppose could
go as high as 250-300? Ideally less of course.

Audio-Technica ATH-M50.

Just finished a band festival gig where I used them for monitoring. Live
and headphone sound were very similar. Mic was Rode NT4.

The Sony's are dreadful sounding things, and the 7506s have very poor
isolation. ExtremeHeadphones have very good isolation and sound pretty
decent, albeit a little mellow.

[Fletch]

Scott Dorsey wrote:
RD Jones wrote:
The popular consensus for "studio phones" are the Sony 7506's.
(nearly identical to the V6)
They have decent isolation. They're not neutral, but rather bright.
I suppose that leads to them being detailed.

Rather bright? They are mindblowingly bright. They are shriekingly
totally out of control bright. They are "turn the EQ up all the way
and then turn it up more" bright.

I bought them for tracking and editing, a job they are well suited to.

They are my favorite editing phones.
--scott

So, I'm just trying to be clear here... they're bright?

People are starting to like the ATM50M's by Audio Technica.

Pro4AA's are still available, but they have been replaced by the
Pro4AAT, which I have and they are pretty good. Maybe a bit heavy on the
bottom, though.

--Fletch

[Fletch]

geoff wrote:
Ty Ford wrote:
Audio-Technica M50.

No sales pitch. Just try 'em.


Agreed.

I have:
ATH-M50
HD280
K240S
K271S
K270
MDR-7506
K141S
+++ ????

I prefer the ATs overall of the above, for everything just now.

geoff



Ah, romance...

--Fletch

[jakdedert]

Fletch wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote:
RD Jones wrote:
The popular consensus for "studio phones" are the Sony 7506's.
(nearly identical to the V6)
They have decent isolation. They're not neutral, but rather bright.
I suppose that leads to them being detailed.

Rather bright? They are mindblowingly bright. They are shriekingly
totally out of control bright. They are "turn the EQ up all the way
and then turn it up more" bright.

I bought them for tracking and editing, a job they are well suited to.

They are my favorite editing phones.
--scott

So, I'm just trying to be clear here... they're bright?

People are starting to like the ATM50M's by Audio Technica.

Pro4AA's are still available, but they have been replaced by the
Pro4AAT, which I have and they are pretty good. Maybe a bit heavy on the
bottom, though.

--Fletch
Not to mention heavy on the *head*--but that might be the price of good
isolation. Do they still have the silly liquid-filled cushions?
They're like clamping two ice cubes to your head until they warm
up...that's unless they spring a leak, which they often do. Then it's
like clamping two greasy....

jak

jak

[Fletch]

jakdedert wrote:
Fletch wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote:
RD Jones wrote:
The popular consensus for "studio phones" are the Sony 7506's.
(nearly identical to the V6)
They have decent isolation. They're not neutral, but rather bright.
I suppose that leads to them being detailed.

Rather bright? They are mindblowingly bright. They are shriekingly
totally out of control bright. They are "turn the EQ up all the way
and then turn it up more" bright.

I bought them for tracking and editing, a job they are well suited to.

They are my favorite editing phones.
--scott

So, I'm just trying to be clear here... they're bright?

People are starting to like the ATM50M's by Audio Technica.

Pro4AA's are still available, but they have been replaced by the
Pro4AAT, which I have and they are pretty good. Maybe a bit heavy on
the bottom, though.

--Fletch
Not to mention heavy on the *head*--but that might be the price of good
isolation. Do they still have the silly liquid-filled cushions? They're
like clamping two ice cubes to your head until they warm up...that's
unless they spring a leak, which they often do. Then it's like clamping
two greasy....

jak

jak

No longer liquid filled pads. Yes, they are a bit on the heavy side, but
comfortable nonetheless. Great isolation, too.

The coil is a bit cheesy. I don't know why they make great gear and then
attach this garbage to them. It is the one part I may rip off and
replace with something more robust and less coil-y. But at least they're
set up to enter the setup on one side.

--Fletch

[Andre Majorel]

On 2008-03-02, Arny Krueger wrote:
"Jay" wrote in message
t
I have a recording situation I don't often do but I'm
going to take some of my equipment to a chapel and record
some people. I have everything setup except I need headphones to
monitor and especially for mic setup.
Because of circumstances I can't isolate my self from the
players. Can anyone recommend headphones that sound good and as
neutral as possible for my budget which I suppose could
go as high as 250-300? Ideally less of course.

Audio-Technica ATH-M50.

Just finished a band festival gig where I used them for
monitoring. Live and headphone sound were very similar. Mic
was Rode NT4.

I thought the one you digged was the ATH-A700. How do they
compare ?

--
André Majorel URL:http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/
(Counterfeit: )
"I drink, I smoke, I gamble, I chase girls--but postal chess is
one vice I don't have." -- Mikhail Tal

[jakdedert]

Fletch wrote:
jakdedert wrote:
Fletch wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote:
RD Jones wrote:
The popular consensus for "studio phones" are the Sony 7506's.
(nearly identical to the V6)
They have decent isolation. They're not neutral, but rather bright.
I suppose that leads to them being detailed.

Rather bright? They are mindblowingly bright. They are shriekingly
totally out of control bright. They are "turn the EQ up all the way
and then turn it up more" bright.

I bought them for tracking and editing, a job they are well suited to.

They are my favorite editing phones.
--scott

So, I'm just trying to be clear here... they're bright?

People are starting to like the ATM50M's by Audio Technica.

Pro4AA's are still available, but they have been replaced by the
Pro4AAT, which I have and they are pretty good. Maybe a bit heavy on
the bottom, though.

--Fletch
Not to mention heavy on the *head*--but that might be the price of
good isolation. Do they still have the silly liquid-filled cushions?
They're like clamping two ice cubes to your head until they warm
up...that's unless they spring a leak, which they often do. Then it's
like clamping two greasy....

jak

jak

No longer liquid filled pads. Yes, they are a bit on the heavy side, but
comfortable nonetheless. Great isolation, too.

The coil is a bit cheesy. I don't know why they make great gear and then
attach this garbage to them. It is the one part I may rip off and
replace with something more robust and less coil-y. But at least they're
set up to enter the setup on one side.

--Fletch

I remember...when they leaked it was like clamping two raw hamburger
patties to your head. G

I did like the sound. Actually I like my Pro4AAA's; but I bet I'm the
only one I know who has a set...air filled cushions; lighter and softer,
but no less prone to leakage. Supposedly I got the last set of cushions
Koss had.

jak

[Arny Krueger]

"Andre Majorel" wrote in message

On 2008-03-02, Arny Krueger wrote:
"Jay" wrote in message
t
I have a recording situation I don't often do but I'm
going to take some of my equipment to a chapel and
record
some people. I have everything setup except I need
headphones to monitor and especially for mic setup.
Because of circumstances I can't isolate my self from
the players. Can anyone recommend headphones that sound
good and as neutral as possible for my budget which I
suppose could
go as high as 250-300? Ideally less of course.

Audio-Technica ATH-M50.

Just finished a band festival gig where I used them for
monitoring. Live and headphone sound were very similar.
Mic was Rode NT4.

I thought the one you digged was the ATH-A700.

I do.

How do they compare ?

Similar sound, but better isolation and a bit better bass from the ATH-M50.

The ATH-M50 looks like it has a better chance of withstanding hard use.

[Andre Majorel]

On 2008-03-10, Arny Krueger wrote:
"Andre Majorel" wrote in message

On 2008-03-02, Arny Krueger wrote:
"Jay" wrote in message
t
I have a recording situation I don't often do but I'm
going to take some of my equipment to a chapel and
record some people. I can't isolate my self from the
players. Can anyone recommend headphones that sound good
and as neutral as possible for my budget which I suppose
could go as high as 250-300?

Audio-Technica ATH-M50.

I thought the one you digged was the ATH-A700.

I do.

How do they compare ?

Similar sound, but better isolation and a bit better bass from
the ATH-M50.

The ATH-M50 looks like it has a better chance of withstanding
hard use.

That's interesting as the ATH-A700 is quite a bit more expensive
than the ATH-M50 where I live. Thanks.

--
André Majorel URL:http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/
(Counterfeit: )
"I drink, I smoke, I gamble, I chase girls--but postal chess is
one vice I don't have." -- Mikhail Tal

[Geoff]

GregS wrote:

I'm curious about the pads. Where do the M50's pads sit. On the ear
or on the head ?

Head. Unless one has HUGE ears.

geoff

[Geoff]

andrejs eigus wrote:
"GregS" wrote in message
...
In article , Andre Majorel
wrote:

I'm curious about the pads. Where do the M50's pads sit. On the ear
or on the head ?

i have relatively normal size ears and these phones sit rather tight
on my head. however, spending longer time with M50's might make
ears sweat, for the same reason they sit tight on the head. but i
guess this makes isolation work!

Way less tight that HD280s, but iso nearly as good. Comfortable for hours on
me.

geoff