[Jenn[_2_]]

As expected, the results so far show a variety of ways that we obtain
music: Web shopping, in store, recording school and church groups, etc.

I was struck again by how it is all changing during a visit to L.A. this
past weekend. The current market for music certainly changes how my
visits to a big city are conducted. Before, I very much looked forward
to visits to Tower Classical (and sometimes the main store across the
street), Amoeba, Virgin, and wonderful "Mom and Pop" small stores. Now
the second largest city in the country has precious little. Amoeba is
still good (for both new and used, CD and LP, all genres), and there is
still a small spattering of the independent stores (including a
fantastic, though very over-priced LP only store), but there are fewer
every visit. Obviously, it's just the way of the world now, and one has
to accept it. I'll continue to do my part to support the brick and
mortars when the price differential isn't too much, but I'm doing more
online shopping as well. I'm OK at delayed gratification (heck, my
professional life is ALL about that: spending my life gleaning tiny
interpretive nuances from great composers, practicing musical
instruments over a lifetime, etc.), but it was fun to go on a shopping
trip and rushing home to listen to that new recording and discovering
what is there. So now it takes a few days to get the stuff in the mail;
no big deal, I guess. I'm still sad about what we are losing though, in
terms of human interaction with like-minded hobbyists, etc.

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" wrote in message


I'm still sad about what we are losing though, in terms of
human interaction with like-minded hobbyists, etc.

If you want interaction with live-minded hobbyists, find an audio club.
There are at least 2 audio clubs in this metro area that are AFAIK still
active, and there are other music listening-related clubs where audiophiles
can find a home. For example, there is a jazz-lovers club that our audio
club has had joint meetings with.

I've been a member of SMWTMS for about 35 years. The club membership has
been fairly stable in terms of numbers, about 40 members with 20-30 showing
up for a typical meeting. That's pretty typical for a fraternal
organization.

There are also a number of meetings that are arranged through the club, such
as a recent visit to a member who has an outstanding A/V room that I believe
I have described here.

There have been a lot of very lasting and stable relationships that have
formed through the club including the ABX partners, many of whom still hang
out together at club meetings, and also have other social gatherings with
our wives and significant others.

Our club no longer advertises its meetings in RAO due to years of childish
harrasment by the Middiot and his posse. Hasn't hurt a bit because anybody
who is serious about audio gets their business done in the other Useent
audio groups. :-(

[Bill Riel]

In article jennconductsREMOVETHIS-F79165.09470520022008
@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com, says...

So now it takes a few days to get the stuff in the mail;
no big deal, I guess. I'm still sad about what we are losing though, in
terms of human interaction with like-minded hobbyists, etc.

I agree - and I love physically browsing through records and discovering
something unexpected that I wind up bringing home. Browsing on-line just
isn't the same.

There's also a social element for me. My favorite record store in town
is a place that I'm comfortable just hanging out at, and the owner is
quite happy to play anything that's already open. I get to discover a
lot of music that way.

--
Bill

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 20, 11:47*am, Jenn wrote:
As expected, the results so far show a variety of ways that we obtain
music: *Web shopping, in store, recording school and church groups, etc.

I was struck again by how it is all changing during a visit to L.A. this
past weekend. *The current market for music certainly changes how my
visits to a big city are conducted. *Before, I very much looked forward
to visits to Tower Classical (and sometimes the main store across the
street), Amoeba, Virgin, and wonderful "Mom and Pop" small stores. *Now
the second largest city in the country has precious little. *Amoeba is
still good (for both new and used, CD and LP, all genres), and there is
still a small spattering of the independent stores (including a
fantastic, though very over-priced LP only store), but there are fewer
every visit. *Obviously, it's just the way of the world now, and one has
to accept it. *I'll continue to do my part to support the brick and
mortars when the price differential isn't too much, but I'm doing more
online shopping as well. *I'm OK at delayed gratification (heck, my
professional life is ALL about that: spending my life gleaning tiny
interpretive nuances from great composers, practicing musical
instruments over a lifetime, etc.), but it was fun to go on a shopping
trip and rushing home to listen to that new recording and discovering
what is there. *So now it takes a few days to get the stuff in the mail;
no big deal, I guess. *I'm still sad about what we are losing though, in
terms of human interaction with like-minded hobbyists, etc.

I enjoy the thrill of the hunt for LPs (it's exciting to make the
occasional find like those mint Living Stereos a couple of weeks ago).
Half-Price Books is a regular stop, as are some good thrift stores in
the area, and we (fortunately) still have several good record shops
here. If there's something specific I want I'll look online.

eBay has had a detrimental effect on finding deals at record stores.
They can research the prices so easily now. I bought a sealed MFSL
Donald Fagen Nightfly a couple of years ago for $20 at one. I saw
another one recently for $150. So it goes.

Most CDs are readily available, so I check the brick and mortar stores
locally first. If what I want isn't available I'll order online. To me
online shopping is in addition to, not in lieu of, visiting a store.
It isn't a problem for me to visit stores frequently as my business
has me out-and-about and I know where all the stops are.:-)

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
,
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:

On Feb 20, 11:47*am, Jenn wrote:
As expected, the results so far show a variety of ways that we obtain
music: *Web shopping, in store, recording school and church groups, etc.

I was struck again by how it is all changing during a visit to L.A. this
past weekend. *The current market for music certainly changes how my
visits to a big city are conducted. *Before, I very much looked forward
to visits to Tower Classical (and sometimes the main store across the
street), Amoeba, Virgin, and wonderful "Mom and Pop" small stores. *Now
the second largest city in the country has precious little. *Amoeba is
still good (for both new and used, CD and LP, all genres), and there is
still a small spattering of the independent stores (including a
fantastic, though very over-priced LP only store), but there are fewer
every visit. *Obviously, it's just the way of the world now, and one has
to accept it. *I'll continue to do my part to support the brick and
mortars when the price differential isn't too much, but I'm doing more
online shopping as well. *I'm OK at delayed gratification (heck, my
professional life is ALL about that: spending my life gleaning tiny
interpretive nuances from great composers, practicing musical
instruments over a lifetime, etc.), but it was fun to go on a shopping
trip and rushing home to listen to that new recording and discovering
what is there. *So now it takes a few days to get the stuff in the mail;
no big deal, I guess. *I'm still sad about what we are losing though, in
terms of human interaction with like-minded hobbyists, etc.

I enjoy the thrill of the hunt for LPs

I agree. Rare and out of print CDs too.

(it's exciting to make the
occasional find like those mint Living Stereos a couple of weeks ago).
Half-Price Books is a regular stop, as are some good thrift stores in
the area, and we (fortunately) still have several good record shops
here. If there's something specific I want I'll look online.

eBay has had a detrimental effect on finding deals at record stores.
They can research the prices so easily now. I bought a sealed MFSL
Donald Fagen Nightfly a couple of years ago for $20 at one. I saw
another one recently for $150. So it goes.

Yep, same thing for instruments. It was fun to go into a pawn shop and
find a great instrument at dirt prices. Now they all have ebay lol.

Most CDs are readily available, so I check the brick and mortar stores
locally first. If what I want isn't available I'll order online. To me
online shopping is in addition to, not in lieu of, visiting a store.
It isn't a problem for me to visit stores frequently as my business
has me out-and-about and I know where all the stops are.:-)

[George M. Middius]

Time for some Kroo-snot.

If you want interaction with live-minded hobbyists

.... not to mention some gratuitous Krooglish.

I've been a member of SMWTMS*

* That's the abbreviation for the SMarmy Whackoff Tom-Tom Masturbation
Society. Oddly, all the attendees are male. But don't worry, Jenn, I'm
sure they'll treat you with decorum and politeness.

Our club no longer advertises its meetings in RAO because we're
terrified of Middius and his posse.

thumping chest

You're my bitch, Arnii!

anybody who is serious about audio gets their business done in the other Useent
audio groups. :-(

I wonder what "doing one's business" means in Krooglish? ;-)

[Arny Krueger]

"George M. Middius" cmndr _ george @ comcast . net wrote
in message
Time for some Kroo-snot.

If you want interaction with live-minded hobbyists

... not to mention some gratuitous Krooglish.

I've been a member of SMWTMS*

* That's the abbreviation for the SMarmy Whackoff Tom-Tom
Masturbation Society. Oddly, all the attendees are male.
But don't worry, Jenn, I'm sure they'll treat you with
decorum and politeness.

Our club no longer advertises its meetings in RAO
because we're
terrified of Middius and his posse.

thumping chest

You're my bitch, Arnii!

anybody who is serious about audio gets their business
done in the other Useent audio groups. :-(

I wonder what "doing one's business" means in Krooglish?
;-)

Interesting that Jenn sees no problem with snot-laden crap like this, as
long as it comes from her mentor and moral guide, the Middiot. :-(

[[email protected]]

On Feb 20, 10:07�am, Bill Riel wrote:
In article jennconductsREMOVETHIS-F79165.09470520022008
@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com, says...

So now it takes a few days to get the stuff in the mail;
no big deal, I guess. �I'm still sad about what we are losing though, in
terms of human interaction with like-minded hobbyists, etc.

I agree - and I love physically browsing through records and discovering
something unexpected that I wind up bringing home. Browsing on-line just
isn't the same.

There's also a social element for me. My favorite record store in town
is a place that I'm comfortable just hanging out at, and the owner is
quite happy to play anything that's already open. I get to discover a
lot of music that way.

-- �
Bill

I used to live a few blocks from Tower when I was in LA. I miss the
ability to read about a recording, run over to Tower, and be home
listening to it, all within a space of 10 minutes.

Boon

[Clyde Slick]

On 20 Feb, 13:04, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

Our club no longer advertises its meetings in RAO due to years of childish
harrasment by the Middiot and his posse. Hasn't hurt a bit because anybody
who is serious about audio gets their business done in the other Useent
audio groups. :-(


But Arny does his audio 'business' here
http://ledmuseum.candlepower.us/sixth/how1.jpg

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 20, 12:15*pm, Jenn wrote:

Yep, same thing for instruments. *It was fun to go into a pawn shop and
find a great instrument at dirt prices. *Now they all have ebay lol.

LOL! I'm guilty!

I recently sold two instruments that I had paid $200 each for in a
pawn shop a few years ago on ebay, neither one very special. One
brought $2350, one brought $1500. I have to believe there's something
like the housing market building up in the instrument world. A
mid-1960s Strat that was going for $3-4,000 5-6 years ago is now well
over $20K. At their current rate of appreciation they should all be
worth over a million in another 10 years. I mean, these are not
Stradivarious violins...

Maybe I'm wrong, but I wanted to get out before the market crashes.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:


Interesting that Jenn sees no problem with snot-laden crap like this, as
long as it comes from her mentor and moral guide, the Middiot. :-(

Note that according to Jenn, the above Middiot spew is *not* snot. It's
the sort of think she apparently wants to encourage on RAO. Well,
encouraged it shall be!

Arny, please. Try, just TRY not to lie. Deal? I'm not responding to
general conversation with you. I know that you wrongly believe what I
say to you to be "snot", so I'm not saying anything. But that doesn't
seem to stop you. That's fine. As predicted, you'll fire away. But I
ask you to try not to lie. I hope that this is not too much to ask.

[George M. Middius]

Jenn said:

Arny, please. Try, just TRY not to lie. Deal? I'm not responding to
general conversation with you. I know that you wrongly believe what I
say to you to be "snot", so I'm not saying anything. But that doesn't
seem to stop you. That's fine. As predicted, you'll fire away. But I
ask you to try not to lie. I hope that this is not too much to ask.

Jackpot! Krazy Krooger skores a big 'un.

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" wrote in message

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:


Interesting that Jenn sees no problem with snot-laden
crap like this, as long as it comes from her mentor and
moral guide, the Middiot. :-(

Note that according to Jenn, the above Middiot spew is
*not* snot. It's the sort of think she apparently wants
to encourage on RAO. Well, encouraged it shall be!

Arny, please. Try, just TRY not to lie.

You're snotting again, Jenn.

Has the Middiot tried to get you to spam my church with email yet, Jenn?

[Arny Krueger]

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message

On 20 Feb, 13:04, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

Our club no longer advertises its meetings in RAO due to
years of childish harrasment by the Middiot and his
posse. Hasn't hurt a bit because anybody who is serious
about audio gets their business done in the other Useent
audio groups. :-(


But Arny does his audio 'business' here
http://ledmuseum.candlepower.us/sixth/how1.jpg

Note that Jenn apparently approves of this kind of falsehood.

[Clyde Slick]

On Feb 21, 4:48*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Jenn" wrote in message

m

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

Interesting that Jenn sees no problem with snot-laden
crap like this, as long as it comes from her mentor and
moral guide, the Middiot. :-(

Note that according to Jenn, the above Middiot spew is
*not* snot. It's the sort of think she apparently wants
to encourage on RAO. *Well, encouraged it shall be!
Arny, please. *Try, just TRY not to lie.

You're snotting again, Jenn.

Has the Middiot tried to get you to spam my church with email yet, Jenn?

Have they been getting any?
Care to provide the headers?
LOL!!!!!!!

[Arny Krueger]

wrote in message

On Feb 20, 10:07?am, Bill Riel wrote:
In article jennconductsREMOVETHIS-F79165.09470520022008
@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com,
says...

So now it takes a few days to get the stuff in the mail;
no big deal, I guess. ?I'm still sad about what we are
losing though, in terms of human interaction with
like-minded hobbyists, etc.

I agree - and I love physically browsing through records
and discovering something unexpected that I wind up
bringing home. Browsing on-line just isn't the same.

There's also a social element for me. My favorite record
store in town is a place that I'm comfortable just
hanging out at, and the owner is quite happy to play
anything that's already open. I get to discover a lot of
music that way.

-- ?
Bill

I used to live a few blocks from Tower when I was in LA.
I miss the ability to read about a recording, run over to
Tower, and be home listening to it, all within a space of
10 minutes.

As compared to reading about a recording, logging into iTunes, and never
leave home in order to listen to it, all in a space of 3 minutes?
Admittedly, one doesn't get a lot of dates on iTunes. ;-)

[Clyde Slick]

On Feb 21, 4:49*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Clyde Slick" wrote in message



On 20 Feb, 13:04, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

Our club no longer advertises its meetings in RAO due to
years of childish harrasment by the Middiot and his
posse. Hasn't hurt a bit because anybody who is serious
about audio gets their business done in the other Useent
audio groups. :-(

But Arny does his audio 'business' here
http://ledmuseum.candlepower.us/sixth/how1.jpg

Note that Jenn apparently approves of this kind of falsehood.


Falshood?
If so, then you must mean that you do not use toilet paper.

LOL!!!!

[Arny Krueger]

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message

On Feb 21, 4:48 am, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Jenn" wrote in message



In article
, "Arny
Krueger" wrote:

Interesting that Jenn sees no problem with snot-laden
crap like this, as long as it comes from her mentor and
moral guide, the Middiot. :-(

Note that according to Jenn, the above Middiot spew is
*not* snot. It's the sort of think she apparently wants
to encourage on RAO. Well, encouraged it shall be!
Arny, please. Try, just TRY not to lie.

You're snotting again, Jenn.

Has the Middiot tried to get you to spam my church with
email yet, Jenn?

Have they been getting any?

That's already been revealed. Do try to keep up, Art.

And if your strategy is to play stupid, that's too much like your usual
behavoir for anybody to notice.

Care to provide the headers?

Why bother? The Middiot's posse will fabricate an "Internet Eggspurt" who
"is an eggspurt witness" to falsely claim that they are invalid, just like
they did before.

BTW Art, since you contradict yourself about it all the time, was the nasty
email that you are still ranting about what 6 years later, real or not? What
do the hash leaves in the bottom of your bowl say today? ;-)

[Clyde Slick]

On Feb 21, 7:32*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Clyde Slick" wrote in message


You're snotting again, Jenn.

Has the Middiot tried to get you to spam my church with
email yet, Jenn?
Have they been getting any?

That's already been revealed. Do try to keep up, Art.

And if your strategy is to play stupid, that's too much like your usual
behavoir for anybody to *notice.

Care to provide the headers?


I see, you have no proof, as usual.

Why bother? The Middiot's posse will fabricate an "Internet Eggspurt" *who
"is an eggspurt witness" to falsely claim that they are invalid, just like
they did before.

BTW Art, since you contradict yourself about it all the time, was the nasty
email that you are still ranting about what 6 years later, real or not?

NOT!!!!

What
do the hash leaves in the bottom of your bowl say today?

LOL!!!!!
you are always inventing new uses for your 'bowl'!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 20, 12:15*pm, Jenn wrote:

*"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:

I enjoy the thrill of the hunt for LPs

I agree. *Rare and out of print CDs too.

I scored again today. 15 mint old Columbias and a couple of mint
Mercury Living Presence (Dorati/Minneapolis Symphony). Fifty cents
each.

I just thought I'd rub it in. :-)

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
,
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:

On Feb 20, 12:15*pm, Jenn wrote:

*"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:

I enjoy the thrill of the hunt for LPs

I agree. *Rare and out of print CDs too.

I scored again today. 15 mint old Columbias

What vintage?

and a couple of mint
Mercury Living Presence (Dorati/Minneapolis Symphony). Fifty cents
each.

I just thought I'd rub it in. :-)

lol I can be happy for you!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 22, 7:05*pm, Jenn wrote:
In article
,
*"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:

On Feb 20, 12:15*pm, Jenn wrote:

*"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:

I enjoy the thrill of the hunt for LPs

I agree. *Rare and out of print CDs too.

I scored again today. 15 mint old Columbias

What vintage?

Six-eyes and nice thick early two-eyes, so late 1950s-early 1960s.

and a couple of mint
Mercury Living Presence (Dorati/Minneapolis Symphony). Fifty cents
each.

I just thought I'd rub it in. :-)

lol *I can be happy for you!

It must be the stars aligning right this month. :-)

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
,
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:

On Feb 22, 7:05*pm, Jenn wrote:
In article
,
*"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:

On Feb 20, 12:15*pm, Jenn wrote:

*"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:

I enjoy the thrill of the hunt for LPs

I agree. *Rare and out of print CDs too.

I scored again today. 15 mint old Columbias

What vintage?

Six-eyes and nice thick early two-eyes, so late 1950s-early 1960s.

All mono?


and a couple of mint
Mercury Living Presence (Dorati/Minneapolis Symphony). Fifty cents
each.

I just thought I'd rub it in. :-)

lol *I can be happy for you!

It must be the stars aligning right this month. :-)

Love it when that happens

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 22, 7:33*pm, Jenn wrote:
In article
,
*"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:





On Feb 22, 7:05*pm, Jenn wrote:
In article
,
*"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:

On Feb 20, 12:15*pm, Jenn wrote:

*"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:

I enjoy the thrill of the hunt for LPs

I agree. *Rare and out of print CDs too.

I scored again today. 15 mint old Columbias

What vintage?

Six-eyes and nice thick early two-eyes, so late 1950s-early 1960s.

All mono?

No, all stereo.

and a couple of mint
Mercury Living Presence (Dorati/Minneapolis Symphony). Fifty cents
each.

I just thought I'd rub it in. :-)

lol *I can be happy for you!

It must be the stars aligning right this month. :-)

Love it when that happens

I do as well, but rubbing it in is fun too. :-)

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
,
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:

On Feb 22, 7:33*pm, Jenn wrote:
In article
,
*"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:





On Feb 22, 7:05*pm, Jenn wrote:
In article
,
*"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:

On Feb 20, 12:15*pm, Jenn wrote:

*"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:

I enjoy the thrill of the hunt for LPs

I agree. *Rare and out of print CDs too.

I scored again today. 15 mint old Columbias

What vintage?

Six-eyes and nice thick early two-eyes, so late 1950s-early 1960s.

All mono?

No, all stereo.

Must be very late 50s, huh?


and a couple of mint
Mercury Living Presence (Dorati/Minneapolis Symphony). Fifty cents
each.

I just thought I'd rub it in. :-)

lol *I can be happy for you!

It must be the stars aligning right this month. :-)

Love it when that happens

I do as well, but rubbing it in is fun too. :-)

;-)