[Tynan AgviÐr]

Ive been thinking that maybe it would be beneficial if I compiled a list of
tracks that I am fond of, burned them to CD, and sent them out to all the
folks that are contributing to this project. The tracks I have selected are
the very reason I became interested in this idea, and now want a tube-based
mixer of my own. (the labels that the respective tracks belong to all
incorporate their own tube mixer designs in their work and credit it in
part for the label "signature sound" )

If anyone wants a copy(all lossless of course), shoot me an email @
luxaeternaaudio AT gmail DOT com with your address and name. If nothing
else, youll have a hell of a CD to listen to. (and yes, I have *full*
permission from all the labels involved to send the tracks out(only 3
smaller companies anyway, no majors)

Tynan

[Ian Thompson-Bell]

Tynan AgviÐr wrote:
Ive been thinking that maybe it would be beneficial if I compiled a list of
tracks that I am fond of, burned them to CD, and sent them out to all the
folks that are contributing to this project. The tracks I have selected are
the very reason I became interested in this idea, and now want a tube-based
mixer of my own. (the labels that the respective tracks belong to all
incorporate their own tube mixer designs in their work and credit it in
part for the label "signature sound" )


I list of the labels and pointers to their respective web sites would be
useful too - maybe they have pics of the sort of gear they use.

Cheers

Ian

[John Byrns]

In article ,
"Tynan AgviÐr" wrote:

Ive been thinking that maybe it would be beneficial if I compiled a list of
tracks that I am fond of, burned them to CD, and sent them out to all the
folks that are contributing to this project. The tracks I have selected are
the very reason I became interested in this idea, and now want a tube-based
mixer of my own. (the labels that the respective tracks belong to all
incorporate their own tube mixer designs in their work and credit it in
part for the label "signature sound" )

That reminds me of a question I have been meaning to ask you for a
while, please excuse me if you already answered this in one of your
early posts. I am curious what sort of recorder you will be using this
mixer with, especially whether it is an analog or a digital recorder?


Regards,

John Byrns

--
Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/

[Ian Iveson]

John wrote:

That reminds me of a question I have been meaning to ask
you for a
while, please excuse me if you already answered this in
one of your
early posts. I am curious what sort of recorder you will
be using this
mixer with, especially whether it is an analog or a
digital recorder?

Hooray!

About time someone asked.

Edging towards an SS back end?

Or just a box of valve headphone amps, to go with a new
multi-track digital mixer/recorder?

Way to go, in reality, novelties aside, I think, for that
special sound.

Ian

[John Byrns]

In article ,
"Ian Iveson" wrote:

John wrote:

That reminds me of a question I have been meaning to ask
you for a
while, please excuse me if you already answered this in
one of your
early posts. I am curious what sort of recorder you will
be using this
mixer with, especially whether it is an analog or a
digital recorder?

Hooray!

About time someone asked.

Edging towards an SS back end?

No, not hardly, mine is and will remain a pure tube mixer, except for
the power supply, no "SS back end" need apply. However the type of
recorder it is to be used with will have some influence on the details.

Or just a box of valve headphone amps, to go with a new
multi-track digital mixer/recorder?

Yes, it is "just a box of valve headphone amps", however it is only a 6
in 2 out mixer, so I assume it will be used with a 2 channel digital
recorder of some sort, which is what I was looking to confirm.

Way to go, in reality, novelties aside, I think, for that
special sound.

I'm not sure I follow you there?


Regards,

John Byrns

--
Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/

[Tynan AgviÐr]

John Byrns wrote in
:

In article ,
"Tynan AgviÐr" wrote:

Ive been thinking that maybe it would be beneficial if I compiled a
list of tracks that I am fond of, burned them to CD, and sent them
out to all the folks that are contributing to this project. The
tracks I have selected are the very reason I became interested in
this idea, and now want a tube-based mixer of my own. (the labels
that the respective tracks belong to all incorporate their own tube
mixer designs in their work and credit it in part for the label
"signature sound" )

That reminds me of a question I have been meaning to ask you for a
while, please excuse me if you already answered this in one of your
early posts. I am curious what sort of recorder you will be using
this mixer with, especially whether it is an analog or a digital
recorder?


Regards,

John Byrns

No problem Sir,
, my main recorders are a sound devices 744t and a Nagra V.

I also have a stellavox sp-8 that I back up to when at all possible...but
the SD and Nagra take front seat.

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"John Byrns" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Tynan AgviÐr" wrote:

That reminds me of a question I have been meaning to ask you for a
while, please excuse me if you already answered this in one of your
early posts. I am curious what sort of recorder you will be using this
mixer with, especially whether it is an analog or a digital recorder?


Tynan, being the man of taste that he is, may choose a replica of
a Studer C37 or Ampex 351-2 tape recorder. Who's gonna
build that? :-))

Iain

[Tynan AgviÐr]

"Iain Churches" wrote in newsfAnj.288487$Sc.50133
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"John Byrns" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Tynan AgviÐr" wrote:

That reminds me of a question I have been meaning to ask you for a
while, please excuse me if you already answered this in one of your
early posts. I am curious what sort of recorder you will be using this
mixer with, especially whether it is an analog or a digital recorder?


Tynan, being the man of taste that he is, may choose a replica of
a Studer C37 or Ampex 351-2 tape recorder. Who's gonna
build that? :-))

Iain



I I wish!!!!! I did just score a Telefunken M-28 for a good price, even if
it is only for looks.
Well, ive been hard up for one of those new ATR Machines with the Aria
upgrades as they are rumoured to be quite good...but I dunno.

they did use some variant of the Aria stuff for the reissue/transfer of the
living stereo discs I believe, with Siltech Cables, yadda yadda

(I use VOVOX cables myself)

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Tynan AgviÐr" wrote in message
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"Iain Churches" wrote in newsfAnj.288487$Sc.50133
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"John Byrns" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Tynan AgviÐr" wrote:

That reminds me of a question I have been meaning to ask you for a
while, please excuse me if you already answered this in one of your
early posts. I am curious what sort of recorder you will be using this
mixer with, especially whether it is an analog or a digital recorder?


Tynan, being the man of taste that he is, may choose a replica of
a Studer C37 or Ampex 351-2 tape recorder. Who's gonna
build that? :-))

I I wish!!!!! I did just score a Telefunken M-28 for a good price, even
if
it is only for looks.

Telefunken made a series of good professional machines. I
don't think the M28 was in that category. They also had a turntable,
the PS-81 which is well worth buying if you come across a good
one.

I have a Studer C37 currently in the early stages of renovation.
The J37 (4 tracks on 1") is the one to look for. They are highly
sought-after being the machine used to record The Beatles.
"Sgt Pepper"

I also have a British Leevers Rich ex BBC master machine which
has been completely refurbished and performs like new. Just the
headblock cover is missing now.

http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches...LR/LRE200.html

Well, ive been hard up for one of those new ATR Machines with the Aria
upgrades as they are rumoured to be quite good...but I dunno.

I have no experience of those. It seems there is still a strong
demand for old Ampex analogue recorders in the 350 series.
They command good prices.


they did use some variant of the Aria stuff for the reissue/transfer of
the
living stereo discs I believe, with Siltech Cables, yadda yadda

(I use VOVOX cables myself)

I am sure you can hear a difference:-)

Your thread on the design of a tube amp mixer is one
of the best currently on RAT.

Many people actively involved in recording on a day to day
basis, have found that a mix (no pun intended) of analogue and
digital technology can be used to considerable advantage. I
would not even think about a tube mixer these days, but many
clients ask for analogue multitrack (Studer A80 or A800 with
Dolby SR) for recording. Then the raw material is transferred
to a multitrack DAW for digital editing and mixing. That way,
you get the best of both worlds - analogue multitrack sound
with digital convenience.

None of us who remember analogue multitrack editing would
wish to go back to that. It takes a stout heart to mark up a
splice on a 2" tape with a chinagraph pencil, while a roomful
of people look on in awed silence, and then make a physical
cut with a razor blade. There are zero levels of undo:-)
I keep a 2" editing block on my desk just to remind me
of the "good old days" :-)

Best regards
Iain

[Tynan AgviÐr]

"Iain Churches" wrote in
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"John Byrns" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Tynan AgviÐr" wrote:

That reminds me of a question I have been meaning to ask you for a
while, please excuse me if you already answered this in one of your
early posts. I am curious what sort of recorder you will be using
this mixer with, especially whether it is an analog or a digital
recorder?


Tynan, being the man of taste that he is, may choose a replica of
a Studer C37 or Ampex 351-2 tape recorder. Who's gonna
build that? :-))

I I wish!!!!! I did just score a Telefunken M-28 for a good price,
even if
it is only for looks.

Telefunken made a series of good professional machines. I
don't think the M28 was in that category. They also had a turntable,
the PS-81 which is well worth buying if you come across a good
one.

I have a Studer C37 currently in the early stages of renovation.
The J37 (4 tracks on 1") is the one to look for. They are highly
sought-after being the machine used to record The Beatles.
"Sgt Pepper"

I also have a British Leevers Rich ex BBC master machine which
has been completely refurbished and performs like new. Just the
headblock cover is missing now.

http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches...LR/LRE200.html

Well, ive been hard up for one of those new ATR Machines with the
Aria upgrades as they are rumoured to be quite good...but I dunno.

I have no experience of those. It seems there is still a strong
demand for old Ampex analogue recorders in the 350 series.
They command good prices.


they did use some variant of the Aria stuff for the reissue/transfer
of the
living stereo discs I believe, with Siltech Cables, yadda yadda

(I use VOVOX cables myself)

I am sure you can hear a difference:-)

Your thread on the design of a tube amp mixer is one
of the best currently on RAT.

Many people actively involved in recording on a day to day
basis, have found that a mix (no pun intended) of analogue and
digital technology can be used to considerable advantage. I
would not even think about a tube mixer these days, but many
clients ask for analogue multitrack (Studer A80 or A800 with
Dolby SR) for recording. Then the raw material is transferred
to a multitrack DAW for digital editing and mixing. That way,
you get the best of both worlds - analogue multitrack sound
with digital convenience.

None of us who remember analogue multitrack editing would
wish to go back to that. It takes a stout heart to mark up a
splice on a 2" tape with a chinagraph pencil, while a roomful
of people look on in awed silence, and then make a physical
cut with a razor blade. There are zero levels of undo:-)
I keep a 2" editing block on my desk just to remind me
of the "good old days" :-)

Best regards
Iain







Thanks for the good words, Sir.

per the cables...you know..somedays I have no doubt that I do hear a
difference, and other days I am not sure. The way I figure it, there
arent really any drawbacks to using *exotic* cables(other than the
ridiculous prices..which I cant afford..the *voodoo science*..which I am
too dumb to understand)...and I am really only gaining on the OFF chance
that there are benefits to using it. I get a great price on the stuff, so
I have a lot of it.


about the tape op.... I imagine it was quite a chore..but goodness, I
envy you guys that had to come up that way. There isnt a thing I wouldnt
give to be put through the paces and to learn in that manner..being a
tape=op, coffee getter, janitor, whatever!!. Guys(that have learned
recently..myself included!) these days dont have to work hard, they are
computer jockeys for the most part and are spoiled by all this
technology. I abhor it.



(by the way, if you havent read it, "an eternal golden braid" by culshaw
is a fantastic book about the recording of the first ring cycle..that
took some balls and talent!). I have been wanting to go back to mixing
down to 2-track for a while now, but havent had access to a decent mixer.
..This prospect is very exciting to me. I currently multi-track
everything, with a stereo backup, but I want to do it the other way
around. I have a really fantastic microphone locker that I am proud of,
(u67, schoeps m222/n222/cmc 641/21/2s/8, akg 426b( modified by Stephen
Paul Audio), josephson c617 with gefell mk221 and 202 caps, akg c24, dpa
4006, mojave audio ma200 modified for omni characteristic--(amazing mic
by the way), gefell m296, gefell m300, m200,270,210, gefell um900, and
um92.1s ,and a couple of u87s(also SPAudio), great AD and DA conversion,
fantastic recorders(Sound Devices 744 and Nagra V, and Stellavox SP-8),
great preamps from Mick Hinton at DAV, Pendulum , and Electronaut..but
ive never had a good mixer. Very sad about that.