[Arny Krueger]

http://stereophile.com/asweseeit/1107awsi/

"Vitality? Don't make me laugh. Audio as a hobby is dying, largely by its
own hand. As far as the real world is concerned, high-end audio lost its
credibility during the 1980s, when it flatly refused to submit to the kind
of basic honesty controls (double-blind testing, for example) that had
legitimized every other serious scientific endeavor since Pascal. [This
refusal] is a source of endless derisive amusement among rational people and
of perpetual embarrassment for me, because I am associated by so many people
with the mess my disciples made of spreading my gospel. For the record: I
never, ever claimed that measurements don't matter. What I said (and very
often, at that) was, they don't always tell the whole story. Not quite the
same thing."

[George M. Middius]

The Krooborg bows and scrapes to its clay idol.

high-end audio lost its
credibility during the 1980s, when it flatly refused to submit to the kind
of basic honesty controls (double-blind testing, for example) that had
legitimized every other serious scientific endeavor since Pascal.

So this is where you wacky 'borgs got the idea that consumer audio is a
"serious scientific endeavor". Here's how the rest of the world views
the Holy Reverend Father Holt:
http://shorterlink.com/?3PJFPM

[Clyde Slick]

On 29 Noi, 22:54, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

This
refusal] is a source of endless derisive amusement among rational people and
of perpetual embarrassment for me, because I am associated by so many people
with the mess my disciples made of spreading my gospel.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

George, i have to hand it to you
just a few hours ago you so aptly
told Bill Reil that Arny even holds
his few sycophants in disdain.
Like Herr Hitler, our resident tube Nazi just
can't find any reliable henchmen.

[Arny Krueger]

"soundhaspriority" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
http://stereophile.com/asweseeit/1107awsi/

"Vitality? Don't make me laugh. Audio as a hobby is
dying, largely by its own hand. As far as the real world
is concerned, high-end audio lost its credibility during
the 1980s, when it flatly refused to submit to the kind
of basic honesty controls (double-blind testing, for
example) that had legitimized every other serious
scientific endeavor since Pascal. [This refusal] is a
source of endless derisive amusement among rational
people and of perpetual embarrassment for me, because I
am associated by so many people with the mess my
disciples made of spreading my gospel. For the record: I
never, ever claimed that measurements don't matter. What
I said (and very often, at that) was, they don't always
tell the whole story. Not quite the same thing."

Arny, you got to give JA credit for running it.

I give JA for realizing that something has to change with high end audio
journalism for his magazine to have a future.

Regardless of what you think of the purity of his motive,
he did it.

Purity? When did purity matter to anybody? ;-)

Here's the underlying fact that drives JA:

"Judging by online forums and by the e-mail I receive, there are currently
three areas of passion for audiophiles: vinyl playback, headphone listening,
and music servers."

I'm surprised that he didn't present any results from formal market surveys.

I am astonished to find that my occasional
shrill letter to JA about multichannel merely mirrored
the plaint of an audio "great."

Bose was right about one thing - reproducing the perceived sound field, and
not just two point sources, is of the essence.

J. Gordon Holt was, himself, a fanatic, in the most
positive sense. He and the other pioneers whispered
herertical thoughts to the postwar generation. "You have
to hear this." "You're going to hear something you won't
believe." "Have a seat while I spin this up."...

It's been decades since high end audio systems enjoyed that sort of primacy
over a well-done mid-priced system.

And they listened. All through college, and graduate
school, my
generation -- yes, boomers, yearned for the moment of
earned success when we could be transported from our
chairs to the sonic magnficence of the world's great
venues. I really don't think the boomers killed it.

It was killed by the profiteers who saw money in solipsism.

I don't know if it ever had a chance for survival, because
the evolution of something like high fidelity is in
direct contradiction to Gresham's Law, and analogs: "Bad
xxxxxx drives out good."

The high end fell into that trap.

But if there was a way out, the audio press may incur
some responsibility for not pressing the solution.

They followed the cash.

And this is why: high fidelity was popularized by fanatics,
with the best possible connotation. Those fanatics lost
their collective voice.

They also lost their rational minds and were swallowed up in tons of
floobydust, agressively sold by you-know-who.

Was this the consequence of
natural selection, or failed competition for media
resources?

It's just the process of natural selection following its course. The high
end lost its way in terms of quality of the media experience. Zillion-buck
cables don't work in the long term. SETs aren't the answer. Vinyl is less
than 0.5% of the market or less. DVD-A and SACD were solutions looking for a
problem.

As high fidelity became, for a brief time, a
larger part of commerce, there emerged voices from within
the industry who poorly honored the mantle of the
fanatics they replaced. The "dumbing down" of hifi was
quite analogous to the decline of the movie as an art
form, and the general devolution of the mass market when
driven from below, rather than above.

Here's a piece of friendly advice - elitism doesn't work. Not even the elite
really like it.

My understanding of JA's brief explanation to me, back in
the 90's, is that a magazine such as Stereophile is
largely driven, by the interests of the readership.

However its a closed loop. The magazine has influence and can lead the
interests of the readership. Stereophile has figured out how to make money
out of only 1/3 of the current interests of its readership, that crazy vinyl
thing. I don't see them doing much of anything with music servers and
headphones.

He told me that the readership had little interest in
multichannel, and he doubtless made this determination
from a position of knowledge.

But, how representative was the knowlege?

But the fanaticism that
gives birth to new fields and later revitalizes them is
not accessible to logical analysis.

Sure it is, you just have to take your head out of the sand.

And it never comes from inside corporate America.

Sure it does.

It comes from a startup in a garage.

Not true. Look at cell phones - the name of the garage was Motorola. Look
at consumer digital audio - the names of the garage were Sony and Philips.
And forget not the fact that the PC was an interesting toy until IBM sort of
screwed up and picked up the mantle and told the world that it was OK.

This must be on JA's mind. What can one man do?

Note that the ABX associates managed to insert the following into JGH's
mind:

"As far as the real world is concerned, high-end audio lost its credibility
during the 1980s, when it flatly refused to submit to the kind of basic
honesty controls (double-blind testing, for example) that had legitimized
every other serious scientific endeavor since Pascal."

JA has freely admitted that he led the charge of the herd that "refused to
submit to the kind of basic honesty controls (double-blind testing, for
example) that had legitimized every other serious scientific endeavor since
Pascal."

Let JA eat cake! ;-)

[Arny Krueger]

"MiNe 109" wrote in message

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

http://stereophile.com/asweseeit/1107awsi/

"Vitality? Don't make me laugh. Audio as a hobby is
dying, largely by its own hand. As far as the real world
is concerned, high-end audio lost its credibility during
the 1980s, when it flatly refused to submit to the kind
of basic honesty controls (double-blind testing, for
example) that had legitimized every other serious
scientific endeavor since Pascal. [This refusal] is a
source of endless derisive amusement among rational
people and of perpetual embarrassment for me, because I
am associated by so many people with the mess my
disciples made of spreading my gospel. For the record: I
never, ever claimed that measurements don't matter. What
I said (and very often, at that) was, they don't always
tell the whole story. Not quite the same thing."

We discussed this weeks ago. By "real world," he
presumably means himself.

So Stephen it is true what they say. If the Middiot says "Strip naked and
bark at the moon", you'll do it no questions asked.

[Bill Riel]

Stephen:

We discussed this weeks ago. By "real world," he
presumably means himself.

I'd agree. He does seem terribly bitter, doesn't he? I'd think it would
be much more productive to relax and enjoy some great music on a great
sound system than waste energy railing against the high-end.

Arny:

So Stephen it is true what they say. If the Middiot says "Strip naked and
bark at the moon", you'll do it no questions asked.

Just where did this nugget come from? And pray tell what does it have to
do with Stephen's statement?

--
Bill

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Nov 30, 11:40 am, Bill Riel wrote:
Stephen:

We discussed this weeks ago. By "real world," he
presumably means himself.

I'd agree. He does seem terribly bitter, doesn't he? I'd think it would
be much more productive to relax and enjoy some great music on a great
sound system than waste energy railing against the high-end.

Arny:

So Stephen it is true what they say. If the Middiot says "Strip naked and
bark at the moon", you'll do it no questions asked.

Just where did this nugget come from? And pray tell what does it have to
do with Stephen's statement?

There is no possibility of discerning GOIA's meaning by mere mortals.
One must be god, or some other peer of GOIA's, to understand his
meaning.

[Clyde Slick]

On 30 Noi, 12:59, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Nov 30, 11:40 am, Bill Riel wrote:



Stephen:

We discussed this weeks ago. By "real world," he
presumably means himself.

I'd agree. He does seem terribly bitter, doesn't he? I'd think it would
be much more productive to relax and enjoy some great music on a great
sound system than waste energy railing against the high-end.

Arny:

So Stephen it is true what they say. If the Middiot says "Strip naked and
bark at the moon", you'll do it no questions asked.

Just where did this nugget come from? And pray tell what does it have to
do with Stephen's statement?

There is no possibility of discerning GOIA's meaning by mere mortals.
One must be god, or some other peer of GOIA's, to understand his
meaning.

there is no other peer, other than god,
and we are not too sure about that
he is talking to himself.

[George M. Middius]

The Krooborg tries to push its own envelope.

So Stephen it is true what they[sic] say.

Have you finally counted the voices in your head, Arnii? How many are
there? Are they all insane white Baptists, or are you suffering from
affirmative action MPD?

If [George] says "Strip naked and
bark at the moon", you'll do it no questions asked.

First off, Turdy, Stephen is a professional musician, so I'd have to
find out his fee schedule before engaging his services. Second, we live
far apart, so we might not have a view of the moon at the same time.
(You must know about the phenomenon we humans call 'weather'.) Third, I
haven't seen Stephen's resume, so I don't know if he even offers barking
and stripping performances.

As usual, you're tripping over your pedal appendages in your zeal to
score "debating trade" points.

[George M. Middius]

Shhhh! said:

So Stephen it is true what they say. If the Middiot says "Strip naked and
bark at the moon", you'll do it no questions asked.

Just where did this nugget come from? And pray tell what does it have to
do with Stephen's statement?

There is no possibility of discerning GOIA's meaning by mere mortals.
One must be god, or some other peer of GOIA's, to understand his
meaning.

Speaking of which, Arnii got in trouble at church last week for
blaspheming JEE-zus. He brought in a piccie showing his idea of
JEE-zus's mommy. We can easily imagine the brouhaha that ensued when he
unveiled it in front of the pastor and the congregation:

http://www.geocities.com/glanbrok/RA...other_mary.jpg

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Nov 30, 1:13 pm, George M. Middius cmndr _ george @ comcast .
net wrote:
Shhhh! said:

So Stephen it is true what they say. If the Middiot says "Strip naked and
bark at the moon", you'll do it no questions asked.
Just where did this nugget come from? And pray tell what does it have to
do with Stephen's statement?
There is no possibility of discerning GOIA's meaning by mere mortals.
One must be god, or some other peer of GOIA's, to understand his
meaning.

Speaking of which, Arnii got in trouble at church last week for
blaspheming JEE-zus. He brought in a piccie showing his idea of
JEE-zus's mommy. We can easily imagine the brouhaha that ensued when he
unveiled it in front of the pastor and the congregation:

http://www.geocities.com/glanbrok/RA...other_mary.jpg

Why were all the daggers thrust into the Holy Burning Feces?

I'm afraid GOIA's symbolism eludes me.

[George M. Middius]

Shhhh! said:

Speaking of which, Arnii got in trouble at church last week for
blaspheming JEE-zus. He brought in a piccie showing his idea of
JEE-zus's mommy. We can easily imagine the brouhaha that ensued when he
unveiled it in front of the pastor and the congregation:
http://www.geocities.com/glanbrok/RA...other_mary.jpg

Why were all the daggers thrust into the Holy Burning Feces?

Self-serve hors d'oeuvres?

I'm afraid GOIA's symbolism eludes me.

Count your blessings for that. ;-)

[Arny Krueger]

"Bill Riel" wrote in message
t
Stephen:

We discussed this weeks ago. By "real world," he
presumably means himself.

I'd agree.

When would you agree?

He does seem terribly bitter, doesn't he?

Not at all. He seems to be smelling the coffee.

I'd think it would be much more productive to relax and enjoy
some great music on a great sound system than waste
energy railing against the high-end.

Dismissive attitude noted.

So Stephen it is true what they say. If the Middiot says
"Strip naked and bark at the moon", you'll do it no
questions asked.

Just where did this nugget come from?

Boredom with all the sameness.

And pray tell what
does it have to do with Stephen's statement?

You haven't noticed that all of the Middiot's posse holding to his line?

Of course not. I guess you've decided that you are one of them.

Have a nice weekend! ;-)

[Bill Riel]

In article ,
says...

You haven't noticed that all of the Middiot's posse holding to his line?

Arny, you're babbling. I really don't know what you are trying to say
here.

That said, I really want to know: who are the members of this posse?
You've identified Jenn and Art, and of course, Stephen. What about John
Atkinson? Or is he the true mastermind behind this nefarious
organization?

Of course not. I guess you've decided that you are one of them.

Is that how it works? I thought it must be more complex than that. You
mean I just decide and I'm in? No annual dues, nothing? Cool!


Have a nice weekend! ;-)

I plan on it!

--
Bill

[George M. Middius]

PervertedPrioritiesBorg uncorks his bottle full of sunshine.

I'd think it would be much more productive to relax and enjoy
some great music on a great sound system than waste
energy railing against the high-end.

Dismissive attitude noted.

As usual, the Krooborg "prooves" that he alone is sane while the rest of
the world is cra-a-a-a-zy.

[Clyde Slick]

On 30 Noi, 15:24, "Arny Krueger" wrote:


When would you agree?



Not at all. He seems to be smelling the coffee.


Dismissive attitude noted.



Boredom with all the sameness.



You haven't noticed that all of the Middiot's posse holding to his line?



Have a nice weekend! ;-)

Hang in there, its less than 48 hours to go
before your next church spanking session.

[Jenn]

In article ,
Bill Riel wrote:

In article ,
says...

You haven't noticed that all of the Middiot's posse holding to his line?

Arny, you're babbling. I really don't know what you are trying to say
here.

That said, I really want to know: who are the members of this posse?
You've identified Jenn and Art, and of course, Stephen. What about John
Atkinson? Or is he the true mastermind behind this nefarious
organization?

Of course not. I guess you've decided that you are one of them.

Is that how it works? I thought it must be more complex than that. You
mean I just decide and I'm in? No annual dues, nothing? Cool!

If you don't rail against George's ways on a consistent basis, Arny
signs you up to be part of the "posse". You are probably close to being
on the list.

[George M. Middius]

MiNe 109 said:

I'd agree.

When would you agree?

Here's Arny in full-disputation mode.

Well, of course he is. It's only two days 'till church.

Arny, he's speaking in the subjunctive, specifically the present
conditional. It's sometime more polite.

Politeness is irrelevant. You will be affeciated.

[George M. Middius]

Jenn said:

Is that how it works? I thought it must be more complex than that. You
mean I just decide and I'm in? No annual dues, nothing? Cool!

If you don't rail against George's ways on a consistent basis, Arny
signs you up to be part of the "posse". You are probably close to being
on the list.

Not so fast, Jenn. I sent him an application but he hasn't returned it
yet. His membership is therefore probationary.

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" wrote in
message


If you don't rail against George's ways on a consistent
basis, Arny signs you up to be part of the "posse". You
are probably close to being on the list.

Charter member. The sockupuppetry is really getting obvious. Their
personalities are now almost totally blended.

[John Atkinson]

On Dec 1, 9:00 am, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Jenn" wrote in
message

If you don't rail against George's ways on a consistent
basis, Arny signs you up to be part of the "posse". You
are probably close to being on the list.

Charter member. The sockupuppetry is really getting obvious.
Their personalities are now almost totally blended.

George is clever to make sockpuppets that know so much more
about classical music than he does.

Wait a minute Stephen. Hasn't Arny claimed that "George" is
my sockpuppet? If so, how can you be a sockpuppet of
someone else's sockpuppet?

Geor..er...Stephen Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[Jenn]

In article ,
George M. Middius cmndr _ george @ comcast . net wrote:

Jenn said:

Is that how it works? I thought it must be more complex than that. You
mean I just decide and I'm in? No annual dues, nothing? Cool!

If you don't rail against George's ways on a consistent basis, Arny
signs you up to be part of the "posse". You are probably close to being
on the list.

Not so fast, Jenn. I sent him an application but he hasn't returned it
yet. His membership is therefore probationary.

Perhaps held up in the holiday mail rush.

[Arny Krueger]

"John Atkinson" wrote
in message


Wait a minute Stephen. Hasn't Arny claimed that "George"
is my sockpuppet?

Seems like it is still a possibility. George is so tired and bitter, and
rather obviously avoids saying anything that he really means unless he is
expressing his hatred towards the world and life. He sounds about as tired
as you looked in those pictures from the HE 2005 debate.

If so, how can you be a sockpuppet of someone else's sockpuppet?

Who ever said that he was?

You're just jabbering gibberish, John.

[John Atkinson]

On Dec 1, 4:08 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote
in
Wait a minute Stephen. Hasn't Arny claimed that "George"
is my sockpuppet?

Seems like it is still a possibility.

Nope. I was just funning wit'choo, Mr. Krooger.

You're just jabbering gibberish, John.

If you say so, Mr. Krueger.

George Middius
Editor, Stereophile

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 1, 6:21 pm, John Atkinson
wrote:
On Dec 1, 4:08 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

"John Atkinson" wrote
in
Wait a minute Stephen. Hasn't Arny claimed that "George"
is my sockpuppet?

Seems like it is still a possibility.

Nope. I was just funning wit'choo, Mr. Krooger.

You're just jabbering gibberish, John.

If you say so, Mr. Krueger.

George Middius
Editor, Stereophile

Can I be an associate editor, George? After all, I'm your sockpuppet
too. Us sockpuppets need to stick together!

And where's my free subscription for doubting that there are audio
magazines thriving in the new century? If I'm going to be an associate
editor, I don't think I should have to buy at retail.

[Clyde Slick]

On 1 Dec, 21:51, "soundhaspriority" wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote in ...



On Dec 1, 6:21 pm, John Atkinson
wrote:
On Dec 1, 4:08 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

"John Atkinson" wrote
in

Wait a minute Stephen. Hasn't Arny claimed that "George"
is my sockpuppet?

Seems like it is still a possibility.

Nope. I was just funning wit'choo, Mr. Krooger.

You're just jabbering gibberish, John.

If you say so, Mr. Krueger.

George Middius
Editor, Stereophile

Can I be an associate editor, George? After all, I'm your sockpuppet
too. Us sockpuppets need to stick together!

And where's my free subscription for doubting that there are audio
magazines thriving in the new century? If I'm going to be an associate
editor, I don't think I should have to buy at retail.

It's on the way.

Bob Morein
Editor, Stereophile

John, the older you get, the harder iot is to keep your sockpuppets
straight.

[John Atkinson]

On Dec 1, 9:15 pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Dec 1, 6:21 pm, John Atkinson
wrote:
On Dec 1, 4:08 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

"John Atkinson" wrote
in
Wait a minute Stephen. Hasn't Arny claimed that "George"
is my sockpuppet?

Seems like it is still a possibility.

Nope. I was just funning wit'choo, Mr. Krooger.

You're just jabbering gibberish, John.

If you say so, Mr. Krueger.

George Middius
Editor, Stereophile

Can I be an associate editor, George? After all, I'm your sockpuppet
too. Us sockpuppets need to stick together!

Ii's a wise sockpuppet that knows its own master.

And where's my free subscription for doubting that there are audio
magazines thriving in the new century? If I'm going to be an associate
editor, I don't think I should have to buy at retail.

But as you're George's sockpuppet and he is mine, you
already _have_ a subscription.

Bob Morein
Editor, Stereophile

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 2, 6:33 am, John Atkinson
wrote:
On Dec 1, 9:15 pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"





wrote:
On Dec 1, 6:21 pm, John Atkinson
wrote:
On Dec 1, 4:08 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

"John Atkinson" wrote
in
Wait a minute Stephen. Hasn't Arny claimed that "George"
is my sockpuppet?

Seems like it is still a possibility.

Nope. I was just funning wit'choo, Mr. Krooger.

You're just jabbering gibberish, John.

If you say so, Mr. Krueger.

George Middius
Editor, Stereophile

Can I be an associate editor, George? After all, I'm your sockpuppet
too. Us sockpuppets need to stick together!

Ii's a wise sockpuppet that knows its own master.

And where's my free subscription for doubting that there are audio
magazines thriving in the new century? If I'm going to be an associate
editor, I don't think I should have to buy at retail.

But as you're George's sockpuppet and he is mine, you
already _have_ a subscription.

Well, you got me there.

So could you hurry up in the bathroom already? I have some reading to
catch up on.

[John Atkinson]

On Dec 4, 1:38 am, Arny Krueger wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:
On Dec 1, 4:08 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Stephen Atkinson" wrote
in
Wait a minute Arny. Hasn't George claimed that "Arny"
is my sockpuppet?

Seems like it is still a possibility.

Nope. I was just funning wit'choo, Mr. Krooger.

You're just jabbering gibberish, John.

If you say so, Mr. Atkinson.

There is no substantive evidence of the existance of an "Arny Krueger"
who posts to rec.audio.opinion. The person attending the HE 2005
debate was merely a namesake. Could have been anyone.

George Middius
Editor, Stereophile

[Arny Krueger]

"John Atkinson" wrote
in message

On Dec 4, 1:38 am, Arny Krueger
wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:
On Dec 1, 4:08 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Stephen Atkinson"
wrote
in

Wait a minute Arny. Hasn't George claimed that "Arny"
is my sockpuppet?

Seems like it is still a possibility.

Nope. I was just funning wit'choo, Mr. Krooger.

You're just jabbering gibberish, John.

If you say so, Mr. Atkinson.

There is no substantive evidence of the existance of an
"Arny Krueger" who posts to rec.audio.opinion. The
person attending the HE 2005 debate was merely a
namesake. Could have been anyone.

There's plenty of evidence that I had to properly identify myself to make
the plane trip. There's a long-running track of pictures of me on the web,
going back at least a decade before the debate. Nousiane can vouch for me.
John Marks identified me on sight in the break room. Nobody has come forward
and said that the pictures that Stereophile and other web sites posted of
the debate weren't me.

But thanks John for showing once again that you haven't got a clue about how
to collect and process evidence. ;-)

[John Atkinson]

On Dec 4, 8:17 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
? thanks John for showing once again that you haven't got a clue
about how
to collect and process evidence. ;-)

You're welcome, Mr. Krueger. But please note that that
I made no comment at all in the post to which you were
responding. As the poster (a sockpuppet of yours?) had
set the X-No-Archive flag in his message, I was merely
quoting it to preserve it in the Google archives.

John Atkinson
Editor. Stereophile

[Arny Krueger]

"John Atkinson" wrote
in message

On Dec 4, 8:17 am, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: ? t


Thanks John for showing once again that you
haven't got a clue about how
to collect and process evidence. ;-)

You're welcome, Mr. Krueger.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 4, 8:00 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote
in



On Dec 4, 8:17 am, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: ? t
Thanks John for showing once again that you
haven't got a clue about how
to collect and process evidence. ;-)
You're welcome, Mr. Krueger.

Look, GOIA! You 'won'!

LOL

[John Atkinson]

On Dec 4, 11:19 am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Dec 4, 8:00 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote
in
On Dec 4, 8:17 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
Thanks John for showing once again that you
haven't got a clue about how
to collect and process evidence. ;-)

You're welcome, Mr. Krueger.

Look, GOIA! You 'won'!

Darn it! Outfoxed by Arny Krueger yet again :-(

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[Clyde Slick]

On 4 Dec, 16:32, Meta-puppet 1.4b wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote:
There is no substantive evidence of the existance of an
"Arny Krueger" who posts to rec.audio.opinion. The
person attending the HE 2005 debate was merely a
namesake. Could have been anyone.

There's plenty of evidence that I had to properly identify myself to make
the plane trip. There's a long-running track of pictures of me on the web,
going back at least a decade before the debate. Nousiane can vouch for me.
John Marks identified me on sight in the break room. Nobody has come forward
and said that the pictures that Stereophile and other web sites posted of
the debate weren't me.

Got any proof that you're not just making all this stuff up?

m

[Clyde Slick]

On 4 Dec, 16:32, Meta-puppet 1.4b wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote:
There is no substantive evidence of the existance of an
"Arny Krueger" who posts to rec.audio.opinion. The
person attending the HE 2005 debate was merely a
namesake. Could have been anyone.

There's plenty of evidence that I had to properly identify myself to make
the plane trip. There's a long-running track of pictures of me on the web,
going back at least a decade before the debate. Nousiane can vouch for me.
John Marks identified me on sight in the break room. Nobody has come forward
and said that the pictures that Stereophile and other web sites posted of
the debate weren't me.

Got any proof that you're not just making all this stuff up?

maybe the actor playing the part of Arny took a train, and
didn't have to provide id at the airport.
paranoid minds want to know!

[JBorg, Jr.[_2_]]

Arny Krueger wrote:



http://stereophile.com/asweseeit/1107awsi/

"Vitality? Don't make me laugh. Audio as a hobby is dying, largely by
its own hand. As far as the real world is concerned, high-end audio
lost its credibility during the 1980s, when it flatly refused to
submit to the kind of basic honesty controls (double-blind testing,
for example) that had legitimized every other serious scientific
endeavor since Pascal. [This refusal] is a source of endless derisive
amusement among rational people and of perpetual embarrassment for
me, because I am associated by so many people with the mess my
disciples made of spreading my gospel.



This qouted text you posted above and below seems to show that Mr. Holt
is bitter, I suppose. Maybe not. If you are man enough, you should
demonstrate and describe here and now in simple sentences
why dbt, as stated above, provides basic honesty control with
regard to distinguishing presence of subtle differences in sound.


Otherwise, all it is is your attempt to justify these make-believe hot air
spewing out from Mr. Holt's corner.

J. Gordon Holt deserves much than these silly games you play in cyber
space, Mr. Kreuger.




For the record: I never, ever
claimed that measurements don't matter. What I said (and very often,
at that) was, they don't always tell the whole story. Not quite the
same thing."


Yes, specs and measurements don't always tell the whole story.
That's why people take the time to listen to audio component.