[peter]

I see some pitch correction box (e.g.
http://www.tc-helicon.com/Default.asp?Id=10402). I have never used or hear
them before. Would it be a good toy to add to a karaoke setup?

If I understand correctly, if someone sings off key, I can turn on this
device and make everything on-key?

What happens if someone talks while this device is on, does the speech get
turned into musical notes?

Some people mentioned it makes the voice sound processed, or robotic. Do the
more expensive unit do better or are they pretty much the same?

[Romeo Rondeau[_3_]]

peter wrote:
I see some pitch correction box (e.g.
http://www.tc-helicon.com/Default.asp?Id=10402). I have never used or hear
them before. Would it be a good toy to add to a karaoke setup?

If I understand correctly, if someone sings off key, I can turn on this
device and make everything on-key?

What happens if someone talks while this device is on, does the speech get
turned into musical notes?

Some people mentioned it makes the voice sound processed, or robotic. Do the
more expensive unit do better or are they pretty much the same?



If you are singing real far off the mark, the box will glitch horribly.
I think it would be a disaster in a karaoke setup, but then again what
do I know?

[David Morgan \(MAMS\)]

"Romeo Rondeau" [email protected] wrote in message ...
peter wrote:
I see some pitch correction box (e.g.
http://www.tc-helicon.com/Default.asp?Id=10402). I have never used or hear
them before. Would it be a good toy to add to a karaoke setup?

If I understand correctly, if someone sings off key, I can turn on this
device and make everything on-key?

What happens if someone talks while this device is on, does the speech get
turned into musical notes?

Some people mentioned it makes the voice sound processed, or robotic. Do the
more expensive unit do better or are they pretty much the same?


If you are singing real far off the mark, the box will glitch horribly.
I think it would be a disaster in a karaoke setup, but then again what
do I know?


Most certainly enough to know that this is a nightmare in the making.

;-)

[Romeo Rondeau[_3_]]

David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
"Romeo Rondeau" [email protected] wrote in message ...
peter wrote:
I see some pitch correction box (e.g.
http://www.tc-helicon.com/Default.asp?Id=10402). I have never used or hear
them before. Would it be a good toy to add to a karaoke setup?

If I understand correctly, if someone sings off key, I can turn on this
device and make everything on-key?

What happens if someone talks while this device is on, does the speech get
turned into musical notes?

Some people mentioned it makes the voice sound processed, or robotic. Do the
more expensive unit do better or are they pretty much the same?


If you are singing real far off the mark, the box will glitch horribly.
I think it would be a disaster in a karaoke setup, but then again what
do I know?


Most certainly enough to know that this is a nightmare in the making.

;-)

But, I would like to watch it though :_) You have to admit it would be
funny.

[news to me]

Well yes it would be a disaster - not only from the stand-point of going far
enough off-key, but ppl who dont hear well will now hear worse because they
will not be listening to what thet are singing but being processed - much
harder to self-correct


"Romeo Rondeau" [email protected] wrote in message
...
peter wrote:
I see some pitch correction box (e.g.
http://www.tc-helicon.com/Default.asp?Id=10402). I have never used or
hear them before. Would it be a good toy to add to a karaoke setup?

If I understand correctly, if someone sings off key, I can turn on this
device and make everything on-key?

What happens if someone talks while this device is on, does the speech
get turned into musical notes?

Some people mentioned it makes the voice sound processed, or robotic. Do
the more expensive unit do better or are they pretty much the same?

If you are singing real far off the mark, the box will glitch horribly. I
think it would be a disaster in a karaoke setup, but then again what do I
know?

[Mickey]

[top-quoting fixed]
On 2007-11-27, news to me wrote:
"Romeo Rondeau" [email protected] wrote in message
...
peter wrote:
I see some pitch correction box (e.g.
http://www.tc-helicon.com/Default.asp?Id=10402). I have never used or
hear them before. Would it be a good toy to add to a karaoke setup?

If I understand correctly, if someone sings off key, I can turn on this
device and make everything on-key?

What happens if someone talks while this device is on, does the speech
get turned into musical notes?

Some people mentioned it makes the voice sound processed, or robotic. Do
the more expensive unit do better or are they pretty much the same?

If you are singing real far off the mark, the box will glitch horribly. I
think it would be a disaster in a karaoke setup, but then again what do I
know?

Well yes it would be a disaster - not only from the stand-point of going far
enough off-key, but ppl who dont hear well will now hear worse because they
will not be listening to what thet are singing but being processed - much
harder to self-correct

If you can do it in mains only, and have no correction in the monitor,
(with good isolation) it makes just a bit of sense. But you would want
to only do it for semi-good singers. You don't want to do it for
someone who has good pitch, and if they were doing a song song where
there purposeful sharps and flats or half-tones, it could send them
bonkers, I am sure.

I had a guy do it to me one night, and I couldn't quite tell what was
wrong, but I knew something was. I went and asked him what the heck
effects he was using, and boom -- Helicon vocal processor with pitch-
correction on. I told him "don't do that".

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[Max Arwood]

Especially not good for karaoke! Why? Because if someone sings from
cassette tapes, the pitch correction might be worse than the real thing.
Tapes are not good to use with correction software or hardware. Tapes seem
to never be made to or play back at the right pitch. Cd's would be better,
but not all studios use A440. The only way it would sound better, would be
if the person sang kinda on pitch, and the tracks were on CD, and the CD was
recorded at A440. Pitch correction boxes can tune to different pitches, but
how would you know what the pitch was? If there were rehearsals before the
performance, then you could decide if it is better or worse.

Max Arwood


"Mickey" wrote in message
...
[top-quoting fixed]
On 2007-11-27, news to me wrote:
"Romeo Rondeau" [email protected] wrote in message
...
peter wrote:
I see some pitch correction box (e.g.
http://www.tc-helicon.com/Default.asp?Id=10402). I have never used or
hear them before. Would it be a good toy to add to a karaoke setup?

If I understand correctly, if someone sings off key, I can turn on this
device and make everything on-key?

What happens if someone talks while this device is on, does the speech
get turned into musical notes?

Some people mentioned it makes the voice sound processed, or robotic.
Do
the more expensive unit do better or are they pretty much the same?

If you are singing real far off the mark, the box will glitch horribly.
I
think it would be a disaster in a karaoke setup, but then again what do
I
know?

Well yes it would be a disaster - not only from the stand-point of going
far
enough off-key, but ppl who dont hear well will now hear worse because
they
will not be listening to what thet are singing but being processed - much
harder to self-correct

If you can do it in mains only, and have no correction in the monitor,
(with good isolation) it makes just a bit of sense. But you would want
to only do it for semi-good singers. You don't want to do it for
someone who has good pitch, and if they were doing a song song where
there purposeful sharps and flats or half-tones, it could send them
bonkers, I am sure.

I had a guy do it to me one night, and I couldn't quite tell what was
wrong, but I knew something was. I went and asked him what the heck
effects he was using, and boom -- Helicon vocal processor with pitch-
correction on. I told him "don't do that".

--
Mickey
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[rboy]

I know if I saw one at a karaoke place I'd ask for my money back, and
not because of glitches. I want to see you sing "Wind Beneath My
Wings" drunk and wildly NPN-autotuned. Isn't that 90% of the fun of
karaoke night?

[Robert Orban]

In article ,
says...


Well yes it would be a disaster - not only from the stand-point of going far
enough off-key, but ppl who dont hear well will now hear worse because they
will not be listening to what thet are singing but being processed - much
harder to self-correct

I've worked with artists who like their headphone feed Autotuned and who
actually sing more on pitch when using it. One remarkable thing about the
genuine brand-name Autotune is that the latency is only 10 ms, which is well
below the threshold that most talkers and singers find disconcerting. The
singer places the headphones on one ear only and hears a pitch-corrected
version of the performance with unobtrusive delay. Because his other ear is in
the open, he can also hear his unprocessed performance clearly. It turns out
that this allows him to hear immediately when his performance is going out of
tune because he will hear the beats (in what appears to be real time) between
his actual performance and the tuned version. In spirit, it's a bit like
having a piano playing the melody to help the singer stay on pitch.

And yes, before anyone says "get a better singer," I have to say that there
are performers who lack pitch control but who nevertheless can create an
"actorly" performance of a song that delivers its emotional content in a
highly effective way -- possibly more so than a singer who can't act his way
out of a paper bag but who can deliver a technically perfect in-tune
performance. This same argument (in varied forms) has been going on since the
first singer was amplified via a microphone, amplifier and loudspeaker. In the
end, it's the performance that matters and how well it connects to the
audience.

[chestek]

Robert Orban wrote:


I've worked with artists who like their headphone feed Autotuned and who
actually sing more on pitch when using it. One remarkable thing about the
genuine brand-name Autotune is that the latency is only 10 ms, which is well
below the threshold that most talkers and singers find disconcerting. The
singer places the headphones on one ear only and hears a pitch-corrected
version of the performance with unobtrusive delay. Because his other ear is in
the open, he can also hear his unprocessed performance clearly. It turns out
that this allows him to hear immediately when his performance is going out of
tune because he will hear the beats (in what appears to be real time) between
his actual performance and the tuned version. In spirit, it's a bit like
having a piano playing the melody to help the singer stay on pitch.


I recently had my first experience of working with a singer who did
this. When she asked me to put Autotune on her while she was singing, I
thought she was insane.

I was wrong .....(well at least on that front!).

A very concise explanation of why it can work. Thanks Robert!

JChestek

[peter]

If you are singing real far off the mark, the box will glitch horribly. I
think it would be a disaster in a karaoke setup, but then again what do I
know?

In that case we need a pitch correction box that has two inputs: a vocal to
be corrected, and a reference pitch (the background music). The correction
is based on analysis of the chords in the music. This way, even if the
corrected vocal is not the intended note, it would at least harmonize with
the music

This also solves the problem of the background music not being A440.

[Laurence Payne]

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:14:28 GMT, "peter" wrote:

If you are singing real far off the mark, the box will glitch horribly. I
think it would be a disaster in a karaoke setup, but then again what do I
know?

In that case we need a pitch correction box that has two inputs: a vocal to
be corrected, and a reference pitch (the background music). The correction
is based on analysis of the chords in the music. This way, even if the
corrected vocal is not the intended note, it would at least harmonize with
the music

This also solves the problem of the background music not being A440.

Are you absolutely SURE we need this? :-)

[Anahata]

Laurence Payne wrote:

Are you absolutely SURE we need this? :-)

Just what I was thinking - I'm not at all sure we need karaoke :-)

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Laurence Payne wrote:
Are you absolutely SURE we need this? :-)
Just what I was thinking - I'm not at all sure we need karaoke :-)
I'm sure we don't need karaoke. Any culture which calls
karaoke quality entertainment is headed rapidly toward the
cesspool.

Karaoke seems to attract lowlife. Any venue that wants to
downgrade the quality of its customer base just has to add
karaoke two or three nights a week.
I used to double my rates when I had a live sr system if
somebody wanted to use it for karaoke.



Richard webb,
Replace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real
email address.

[rboy]

On Nov 27, 8:14 pm, "peter" wrote:
If you are singing real far off the mark, the box will glitch horribly. I
think it would be a disaster in a karaoke setup, but then again what do I
know?

In that case we need a pitch correction box that has two inputs: a vocal to
be corrected, and a reference pitch (the background music). The correction
is based on analysis of the chords in the music. This way, even if the
corrected vocal is not the intended note, it would at least harmonize with
the music

This also solves the problem of the background music not being A440.


Link to Billy Joel Superbowl autotune disaster in 3...2...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYIMmi7JtHc

[Max Arwood]

WOW, I never heard that before, and I'm glad! Never heard the pitch set
that fast, and not used as an effect. Sure butchers those slides between
notes and other inflections!!!
Max Arwood

"rboy" wrote in message
...
On Nov 27, 8:14 pm, "peter" wrote:
If you are singing real far off the mark, the box will glitch horribly.
I
think it would be a disaster in a karaoke setup, but then again what do
I
know?

In that case we need a pitch correction box that has two inputs: a vocal
to
be corrected, and a reference pitch (the background music). The
correction
is based on analysis of the chords in the music. This way, even if the
corrected vocal is not the intended note, it would at least harmonize
with
the music

This also solves the problem of the background music not being A440.


Link to Billy Joel Superbowl autotune disaster in 3...2...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYIMmi7JtHc

[Ty Ford]

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:57:30 -0500, Romeo Rondeau wrote
(in article ):

peter wrote:
I see some pitch correction box (e.g.
http://www.tc-helicon.com/Default.asp?Id=10402). I have never used or hear
them before. Would it be a good toy to add to a karaoke setup?

If I understand correctly, if someone sings off key, I can turn on this
device and make everything on-key?

What happens if someone talks while this device is on, does the speech get
turned into musical notes?

Some people mentioned it makes the voice sound processed, or robotic. Do
the
more expensive unit do better or are they pretty much the same?



If you are singing real far off the mark, the box will glitch horribly.
I think it would be a disaster in a karaoke setup, but then again what
do I know?

or very funny -- as in, you'd see/hear it on YouTube.

Regards,

Ty Ford



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What might make some sense is a visual cue on the monitor for the
singer, like the lyrics turn red if the note is flat or turn blue if
the note is sharp etc...

[Scott Dorsey]

wrote:
What might make some sense is a visual cue on the monitor for the
singer, like the lyrics turn red if the note is flat or turn blue if
the note is sharp etc...

Not effective. What you need is an electric shock. You get one of those
electrical stimulator devices, attach it to the singer's genitalia, then
give the control to one of the audience members....
--scott
--
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[ematch]

Oh, the irony... Using 'good idea' and 'Karaoke' in the same
sentence! Uh.

[Don Pearce]

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:07:07 -0800 (PST), ematch
wrote:

Oh, the irony... Using 'good idea' and 'Karaoke' in the same
sentence! Uh.

But possibly 95% of pop concerts these days actually ARE karaoke. In
the remaining 5% the singer doesn't sing either.

d

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