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DVD Player Recommendation: Sony ES, Yamaha, Denon, or other?
Hi,
We have been using the Sony DVP S7700 which we bought in 1999 as the DVD player for our system. This fall we plan on upgrading to a Panasonic 50' plasma screen. When we bought the S7700, it was one of the reference players out there - indeed it was very good, much better compared to the consumer-grade DVD panasonic player we first owned. However, as S7700 does not have progressive output, and with plasma HDTV-ready TV, I understanding we need progressive scan to get the better picture quality. Thus, we are ready to upgrade when we buy the TV. Looking a bit on the net, we found a couple of models that would suit our needs and budget. More specifically, the budget it around 500 USD, maybe a little more. In this price range, I first looked at the Sony ES line, more specifically the follow up reference to what we currently own: Sony DVP-NS999ES. In the similar price range I saw the Yamaha DVD-S2500, and the Denon DVD-2910B. The Denon DVD-2910 also hasa HDMI output, which I am not sure if it makes any difference over composite video, but it also claims to offer 720p and 1080i output. I know that the plasma screen does offer this mode. Given the price range and the choices, which DVD player would you recommend? Our main concern is the picture quality, and secondly audio quality (2-channel). Kind regards, george |
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I was under the impression that the DVD players that costs very little in
Taiwan has the best compatibility, like NTSC/PAL, all region out of the box. The bigger brands never have such feature. I do have a question though, can any DVD player play SACD or do they require a special player? can a computer DVD drive read SACD? -- TAI FU http://creationism.dyndns.org/ |
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"Tai Fu"wrote:
I was under the impression that the DVD players that costs very little in Taiwan has the best compatibility, like NTSC/PAL, all region out of the box. The bigger brands never have such feature. I do have a question though, can any DVD player play SACD or do they require a special player? can a computer DVD drive read SACD? PC dvd or cd players cannot read a SACD. And yes, many of those cheap dvd players out of Hong kong, Taiwan, etc can play just about anything but they never approach bigger name players for reliabilty or playback quality. T.B. |
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"TB" wrote in message ... "Tai Fu"wrote: PC dvd or cd players cannot read a SACD. And yes, many of those cheap dvd players out of Hong kong, Taiwan, etc can play just about anything but they never approach bigger name players for reliabilty or playback quality. T.B. is that why the $200 Oppo was ranked second best player to the 5910? |
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"Khee Mao" wrote in message ... "TB" wrote in message ... "Tai Fu"wrote: PC dvd or cd players cannot read a SACD. And yes, many of those cheap dvd players out of Hong kong, Taiwan, etc can play just about anything but they never approach bigger name players for reliabilty or playback quality. T.B. is that why the $200 Oppo was ranked second best player to the 5910? Can you give a link to this comparison? |
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is that why the $200 Oppo was ranked second best player to the 5910?
By who, on what criteria... Strike that, I don't think I need to know. |
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"Khee Mao" wrote:
PC dvd or cd players cannot read a SACD. And yes, many of those cheap dvd players out of Hong kong, Taiwan, etc can play just about anything but they never approach bigger name players for reliabilty or playback quality. T.B. is that why the $200 Oppo was ranked second best player to the 5910? Only in picture quality for the DVI output. It doesn't even support progressive scan output. Here's a simple review for those interested in this player: http://hometheater.about.com/od/dvdp...po971short.htm And a lond running thread about it in AC review: http://www.avforums.com/forums/showt...1&page=1&pp=15 It has exceptional video quality but it falls far short of most of the other features a player like the Denon 5910 offers. Also, there's some display issues with PAL format dvds that the manufacturer has been struggling to fix with firmware upgrades. For under 200 bucks it's a good deal but especially in the audio department, it falls far short of any sort of real reference player. Another complaint (common to many cheaply built dvd players) is that they aren't built to last. T.B. |
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"ardz" wrote in message ... "Khee Mao" wrote in message ... "TB" wrote in message ... "Tai Fu"wrote: PC dvd or cd players cannot read a SACD. And yes, many of those cheap dvd players out of Hong kong, Taiwan, etc can play just about anything but they never approach bigger name players for reliabilty or playback quality. T.B. is that why the $200 Oppo was ranked second best player to the 5910? Can you give a link to this comparison? http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-b...h&articles=all you're welcome |
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"TB" wrote in message ... "Khee Mao" wrote: PC dvd or cd players cannot read a SACD. And yes, many of those cheap dvd players out of Hong kong, Taiwan, etc can play just about anything but they never approach bigger name players for reliabilty or playback quality. T.B. is that why the $200 Oppo was ranked second best player to the 5910? Only in picture quality for the DVI output. It doesn't even support progressive scan output. snip oh, 720p isn't progressive? wake up. |
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"Khee Mao" wrote in message ... "ardz" wrote in message ... "Khee Mao" wrote in message ... "TB" wrote in message ... "Tai Fu"wrote: PC dvd or cd players cannot read a SACD. And yes, many of those cheap dvd players out of Hong kong, Taiwan, etc can play just about anything but they never approach bigger name players for reliabilty or playback quality. T.B. is that why the $200 Oppo was ranked second best player to the 5910? Can you give a link to this comparison? http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-b...h&articles=all you're welcome Thats not what those rankings mean. It just means that based on the given tests they perform, which have nothing to do with PQ or SQ, the Oppo scored well. If you bothered to read the actual reviews you would see that they said there is no comparison in quality between those 2 players at all... |
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"Khee Mao" wrote:
snip oh, 720p isn't progressive? wake up. It doesn't support PS via component output. BTW, are you a shill for Oppo by any chance? T.B. |
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"Biz" wrote in message ... http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-b...h&articles=all you're welcome Thats not what those rankings mean. It just means that based on the given tests they perform, which have nothing to do with PQ or SQ, the Oppo scored well. If you bothered to read the actual reviews you would see that they said there is no comparison in quality between those 2 players at all... oh really? chroma, yc, cropping, and btb have nothing to do with pq? hello. if that's not clear enough, maybe you should have actually read the review, as you suggested, which stated: If you are in the market for a budget DVD player, with DVI output, and which has exceptional video performance, the 971H definitely meets those criteria. This player passes below-black, has no pixel cropping, and there are no signs of Y/C delay. I personally can't wait to see what Oppo has in store for us next. did you note the part about "exceptional video performance"? and can you point me to the review that claims there is no quality comparison between the two? |
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"TB" wrote in message ... "Khee Mao" wrote: snip oh, 720p isn't progressive? wake up. It doesn't support PS via component output. BTW, are you a shill for Oppo by any chance? T.B. it's really unfortunate that your old jalopy doesn't have DVI or HDMI ins if you're so concerned with picture quality... |
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"Khee Mao" wrote:
"TB" wrote in message ... "Khee Mao" wrote: snip oh, 720p isn't progressive? wake up. It doesn't support PS via component output. BTW, are you a shill for Oppo by any chance? T.B. it's really unfortunate that your old jalopy doesn't have DVI or HDMI ins if you're so concerned with picture quality... Translation: "Yes, I shill for Oppo, thank you very much." BTW idiot. Who said my "old jalopy" didn't have DVI or HDMI inputs? But we're not talking about what *I* have, right? The low end market this player is aimed at is comprised of a vast majority of users who still have monitors with progressive scan via componant out/in. A stupid shortcut to save a few bucks by Oppo. You seem intent on dodging the simple fact that aside from what is described as excellent image quality that *compares* with a Denon 5910, this player really doesn't come near the quality and features of a dvd player of the caliber of the 5910 or even lesser players like the Pioneer Elite models. Why does it down convert audio instead of passing a full bitrate signal for hi end audio formats? Why does it have the "micro blocking" bug? Why all the firmware upgrades? As I said, it's a nice player for 200 bucks but it's certainly not any sort of reference quality dvd player. Unless of course your an Oppo salesman trying to pawn it off on a bunch of cheap rubes. T.B. |
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says... "TB" wrote in message ... The low end market this player is aimed at is comprised of a vast majority of users who still have monitors with progressive scan via componant out/in. A stupid shortcut to save a few bucks by Oppo. T.B. T.B. DVDtalk - DVD Player Review - Oppo OPDV971H http://www.dvdtalk.com/features/004343.html "It must be noted that the DV971H is designed primarily for viewers using HDTV displays with a direct-digital DVI (or the compatible HDMI format) connections. Although the player also has the standard composite, S-video, and component video analog connections, its best performance comes from DVI. The unit will not output either upscaled nor even progressive scan video from its component connection. As such, if you need a progressive or upscaling component video DVD player, the DV971H is not for you." My comment - with the rapidly increasing selection of HDTVs with DVI - HDMI connectors hovering in the USD $500-600 range, the price point of this DVD player makes sense, and those with less elaborate home theater systems (AND HDTV with DVI) would do well to look at this player. David -- From David Troxell - Product Scope 32 PRO - Encourager Software Email - Profile Exchanges - PRO Music USB and FireWire http://www.encouragersoftware.com/pr...OMusicUSB.html http://www.encouragersoftware.com/ |
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TB wrote:
"Khee Mao" wrote: snip oh, 720p isn't progressive? wake up. It doesn't support PS via component output. A lot of players only support higher res progressive output through the DVI or HDMI interface. BTW, are you a shill for Oppo by any chance? Nope. 8-) Cheers, |
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"TB" wrote in message ... "Khee Mao" wrote: Translation: "Yes, I shill for Oppo, thank you very much." BTW idiot. Who said my "old jalopy" didn't have DVI or HDMI inputs? But we're not talking about what *I* have, right? The low end market this player is aimed at is comprised of a vast majority of users who still have monitors with progressive scan via componant out/in. A stupid shortcut to save a few bucks by Oppo. You seem intent on dodging the simple fact that aside from what is described as excellent image quality that *compares* with a Denon 5910, this player really doesn't come near the quality and features of a dvd player of the caliber of the 5910 or even lesser players like the Pioneer Elite models. Why does it down convert audio instead of passing a full bitrate signal for hi end audio formats? Why does it have the "micro blocking" bug? Why all the firmware upgrades? As I said, it's a nice player for 200 bucks but it's certainly not any sort of reference quality dvd player. Unless of course your an Oppo salesman trying to pawn it off on a bunch of cheap rubes. T.B. dude. can you be any more stupid? a LOT of "high-end" players including your beloved denon 5900 and 3910 use the Faroudja 2310 chip, i.e. they MACROBLOCK you knuckle dragging babboon. damn, you're stupid. and you try to knock Oppo for releasing firmware updates when this is common practice in the industry? maybe you're a shill for Denon? or just an idiot that would pay $3500 for a "high-end" player that also macroblocks and will be obsolete in less than a year when the HD drives become available. can your Denon play mpeg4? divx? xvid? mp3? (s)vcd? cd+g? HDCD? kodak picture CDs/jpegs? do your Denons (other than 5910) output a better picture than this $200 wunderkind? no. they can not, as evidenced by me and the long list of PROFESSIONAL TESTERS WHO POSTED CERTIFIABLE RESULTS ON EACH DRIVE you mullet headed hayseed. |
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"Khee Mao" babbled:
dude. can you be any more stupid? a LOT of "high-end" players including your beloved denon 5900 and 3910 use the Faroudja 2310 chip, i.e. they MACROBLOCK you knuckle dragging babboon. damn, you're stupid. and you try to knock Oppo for releasing firmware updates when this is common practice in the industry? maybe you're a shill for Denon? or just an idiot that would pay $3500 for a "high-end" player that also macroblocks and will be obsolete in less than a year when the HD drives become available. Duuueeeeede! LOL! Here comes the meltdown! You obviously don't have a clue as to what you're ranting about. Denon for one has overcome the microblocking issue over a year ago. BTW, I paid $700.00 for my player brand new. can your Denon play mpeg4? Yes divx? Yes xvid? mp3? Yes (s)vcd? Yes cd+g? Yes HDCD? Yes kodak picture CDs/jpegs? Yes. do your Denons (other than 5910) output a better picture than this $200 wunderkind? (of course they do). they can not, as evidenced by me and the long list of PROFESSIONAL TESTERS WHO POSTED CERTIFIABLE RESULTS ON EACH DRIVE you mullet headed hayseed. "- as evidenced by me." HA! Time to break out the wading boots, the ****'s getting deep. BTW, can your precious Oppo play SACDs? no. Does it pass through true DTS audio at 24/96? no. About the only thing you can say "yes" to is the fact a strong breeze will blow it off a counter! Maybe you should think about having that big coconut rolling around on your shoulders tested for a pulse, "dude." Too funny. T.B. |
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"TB" wrote in message ... You obviously don't have a clue as to what you're ranting about. Denon for one has overcome the microblocking issue over a year ago. BTW, I paid $700.00 for my player brand new. dude. first off, it's "MACROblocking". repeated incorrect use of terminology equates to you being a dumb ass, as if that wasn't clear enough already. secondly, if it's using the Faroudja 2310 chip as the 5900, 3910, and 2910 are, it has not "overcome" the macroblocking issue. dummy. what was it you were saying about a clue? |
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"Khee Mao" queefed:
dude. first off, it's "MACROblocking". repeated incorrect use of terminology equates to you being a dumb ass, as if that wasn't clear enough already. secondly, if it's using the Faroudja 2310 chip as the 5900 (what about the 5910, genius?), 3910, and 2910 are, it has not "overcome" the macroblocking issue. dummy. what was it you were saying about a clue? You can't quit crying, can you? Maybe I can make you burst a ventricle before the week's over! HA! T.B. |
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