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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No.51281
Arny Krueger a écrit :
"Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:07:32 -0600, dave weil wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:53:26 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: Look, perfectly innocent and common experiences like cutting the grass can damage your ears. Just because its done in the pursuit of art doesn't make it perfectly safe. I'd be interested in seeing someone cut the grass in the pursuit of art. http://www.iger.bbsrc.ac.uk/Community/GrassArt.htm You lose. Again. ;-) Louder !!! ....He is deaf. ) -- Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote. But what's new around here? Dave Weil - Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15 -0500 |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281
Iain Churches said: 1. The violinists Careful! It says "violists." Was this Arny again? Maybe he has special information relating to baroque (pre-classical) ensembles, where the viol, with six strings, was indeed used. But, there again, perhaps he just can't spell:-)) Krooglish is the ideal dialect for whitewashing small differences. :-) |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281
Are you the Andy Cowley who is ****ed off at me because I potted your
wife's countryman, the little Serbian fascist Choky? Andy Cowley wrote: Andre Jute wrote: Andre Jute Precision is the first scientific virtue Second to honesty, but you wouldn't know about that. It appears that your accusation about Arnie is in fact Jute Lie No. 1.618 * 10^99. Orchestral musicians _do_ indeed suffer from noise induced hearing damage. Care to apologise? Not at all. You see, your bumbuddy Krueger spouted off about a group of people without discovering which group of people they were. I carefully didn't tell him which class of performers I used for my tests. They weren't orchestral musicians. Now Krueger, who pretends to be a scientist, having spouted off on a subject, is running around trying to discover what the subject was. Neat little experiment to discover what Krueger is made of, don't you think? He clearly has no understanding of scientific method, for a start. For another thing, if Krueger had any decency, he would have admitted his error immediately and apologized. Instead he tries to cover up with personal abuse. You're idiot for trying to defend the indefensible, Cowley. You're a hypocrite, Cowley, for defending indefensible scum like Krueger who is caught out in a gross lie -- because you have some personal beef with me. Andy Unsigned out of contempt Science is an impersonal art without room for personalities |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281
"Andre Jute" wrote in message oups.com... You should know that I've already asked my professional associates to look at Arnie's socalled ABX site. When their reports are in I shall, if that site is still up, make and publish an analysis of Krueger's gross misunderstandings and errors in placebo testing. I have no ABX site. Jute, you lose! |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281
"Andre Jute" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: "Andre Jute" wrote in message ups.com... Arny Krueger wrote: "Andre Jute" wrote in message oups.com... Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281: professional musicians, particularly classical performers, are likely to be hearing-damaged due to exposure to loud sounds Prove this vicious generalization, Krueger. Krueger, I know all that stuff below. But it is about orchestral musicians and singers and jazzmen. They're not the musicians I used for my tests. THEN WHAT KIND OF MUSICANS DID YOU USE? At you're getting a glimmering, Mike. I knew that if we explained it to you often enough, you'd You rashly made a statement in a particular context about musicians whose description you did not know. Now I'm asking you to prove it. None of the stuff below is more than marginally relevant. Stop wriggling and get on with your proof. STOP PLAYING GAMES AND GI E SPECIFICS ON THE KIND OF PEOPLE YOU USED AND YOU'LL GET A SPECIFIC ANSWER After Krueger, spouting off without knowing the subject, has already given a hundred wrong answers. Is that how you do science in America these days, Mike? Let's look at that again: STOP PLAYING GAMES AND GI E SPECIFICS ON THE KIND OF PEOPLE YOU USED AND YOU'LL GET A SPECIFIC ANSWER Eh? After all these lies from Krueger on a subject even you now admit he was igorant on, how do you expect us ever to believe him again? In any event, I already have the answer and Krueger doesn't. He is still trying to find out what the question is -- after he spouted off a hundred wrong answers. So far data has been provided on many diffferent kind of perormers, what did you use? People who play the Zither? Ducimer? Autoharp? Harmonica? Stop being such a **** and get on with it. Excuse me? I expose an abusive liar who postures as an expert -- and you call me a ****? You want a specific answer give specific data. Try again, Mickey. I already have the answer. Krueger doesn't even have the question -- you're trying to help him get the question -- but he lies about the answer to question he has never heard. I don't need the help of a pretend-expert like Krueger. None of us do. You don't either. Andre Jute Precision is the essential art of science Below my signature is a listing of all the anwers Krueger gave to a question even his loyal sidekicks now admit Krueger didn't know. Andre Jute Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/ "an unbelievably comprehensive web site" -- Hi-Fi News & Record Review http://www.dizziness-and-balance.com...g/hearing.html "Musical instruments can generate considerable sound and thus can also cause hearing loss. The most damaging type of sounds is in the high-frequencies. The piccolo generates sound levels up to 112 dB.roughly equivalent to a jackhammer at 30 feet. "Violins and violas can be sufficiently loud to cause permanent hearing loss. This is typically worse in the left ear which is nearer the instrument. Unlike other instruments, the ability to hear the high-frequency harmonics is crucial to these musicians. Mutes can be used while practicing to reduce long term exposure. (Karlsson, Lundquist et al. 1983; Ostri, Eller et al. 1989; Royster, Royster et al. 1991; Sataloff 1991; Palin 1994; Teie 1998; Obeling and Poulsen 1999; Hoppmann 2001; Kahari, Axelsson et al. 2001). In a study of rock/Jazz musicions, almost 3/4 had a hearing disorder, with hearing loss, hyperacusis and tinnitus being the most common maladies. (Kaharit, Zachau et al. 2003) http://homepages.kdsi.net/~sherman/hearingloss.htm "But Furtwängler's story illustrates a downside. To fill the larger halls with sufficient sound, the voices, instruments and ensembles had to crank up to potentially ear-damaging levels. Countless violists, who sit right in front of the brass, have been deafened as a result. And some veteran opera singers, thanks to years of being screeched at by their fellow divas at close range, have lost a good deal of hearing. http://www.lhh.org/noise/facts/music.htm Studies show that 37% of rock musicians and 52% of classical musicians have a measurable hearing loss (Chasin, M., 1998). And on, and on, and on... Yup. And on and on and on irrelevantly drones Mr Arny Krueger, pretend-expert So far he's demonstrated far more audio expertise than you have. |
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Arny Krueger admits Lie No. 51281 -- McKelpie still hasn't caught on
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Arny Krueger admits Lie No. 51281 -- McKelpie still hasn't caught on
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Iain Churches" wrote in message ... Just for the record, Arny said "classical performers" not orchestral musicians. There is a huge difference as Jenn pointed out. It's just more defensive hair-splitting. Nonsense, my dearArny. You are the one who is constantly rattling on about precision, so please be precise. Fact is that musical instruments and voices can easily be loud enough that they will damage any ears that are nearby, especially after protracted exposures. The same applies to motor cyle engines, car engines, cement mixers, or a million other sources of noise at high level. Look, perfectly innocent and common experiences like cutting the grass can damage your ears. Just because its done in the pursuit of art doesn't make it perfectly safe. Agreed. Iain |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281
"MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article , "Iain Churches" wrote: "MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article , Jenn wrote: http://homepages.kdsi.net/~sherman/hearingloss.htm "... Countless violists, who sit right in front of the brass, have been deafened as a result. 1. The violinists don't sit "right in front of the brass". 2. The last sentence is obvious hyperbole. "Deafened"? Careful! It says "violists." Was this Arny again? Maybe he has special information relating to baroque (pre-classical) ensembles, where the viol, with six strings, was indeed used. Someone would have to hit you with one to damage your hearing! Indeed. Henry VIII referred to the viol as "The most gentle and pleasing instrument of musicke" Iain |
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Arny Krueger admits Lie No. 51281 -- McKelpie still hasn't caughton
Dédé Jute a écrit :
Krueger has admitted his guilt so stop wasting everyone's time with your slothlike devotion to a proven charlatan. -- Andre Jute "Make sure you shout down and ridicule anyone who criticizes your hypothesis (chuckle), your method, or your conclusion." -- Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote. But what's new around here? Dave Weil - Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15 -0500 |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No.51281
Iain Churches a écrit :
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Iain Churches" wrote in message ... Just for the record, Arny said "classical performers" not orchestral musicians. There is a huge difference as Jenn pointed out. It's just more defensive hair-splitting. Nonsense, my dearArny. You are the one who is constantly rattling on about precision, so please be precise. Just do like most of the contributors have done. The number of links and example posted in this thread have clearly demonstrated that people on RAO have the urgent *need* to kill what could be a dramatic a priori. BTW you will note that the person at the origin of the statement : "In my experience professional musicians in blind tests prefer tubes." prefers to not divulgate the *scientific* method which has allowed the recruitment of his listening panel in a group of people recognized "at risk" concerning hearing problem. Did you request for precision ? You are right : "Precision is the essential art of science"... :-D -- Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote. But what's new around here? Dave Weil - Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15 -0500 |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281
Iain Churches wrote: "MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article , "Iain Churches" wrote: "MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article , Jenn wrote: http://homepages.kdsi.net/~sherman/hearingloss.htm "... Countless violists, who sit right in front of the brass, have been deafened as a result. 1. The violinists don't sit "right in front of the brass". 2. The last sentence is obvious hyperbole. "Deafened"? Careful! It says "violists." I dislike that word intensely. It conjures up all the wrong images. We were talking about it once and Keith Pascoe of the Vanbrugh SQ said, "Not me. I've had too much beer already." Was this Arny again? Maybe he has special information relating to baroque (pre-classical) ensembles, where the viol, with six strings, was indeed used. Someone would have to hit you with one to damage your hearing! Indeed. Henry VIII referred to the viol as "The most gentle and pleasing instrument of musicke" I can just see Krueger, after a quick foray into Google, claiming those were all viola da gamba, and misconcluding that *therefore* (his favourite word of misdirection and miscomprehension) they were *big* and *loud*. In fact, perhaps I should have waited for him to do so... The name is misleading; at the time it applied to any viol played on the lap or between the legs; none of them were the size of later the instruments segueing (1) into the size we know today. Iain Andre Jute (1) Last month I was discussing a script with a film director. The word segue is used for a particular kind of transition employing sound overlap to establish location- or time-shift. In da moom pitchers it is pronounced sea-gew. I asked him about it. He didn't know there is a musical connotation or another pronunciation. "Those musicians steal from everybody," he assured me earnestly. I invented a sudden inspiration that could only be satisfied by an instant walk alone along the beach where he couldn't hear me laugh. |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No.51281
Andy Cowley wrote: Jenn wrote: "But Furtwängler's story illustrates a downside. To fill the larger halls with sufficient sound, the voices, instruments and ensembles had to crank up to potentially ear-damaging levels. Countless violists, who sit right in front of the brass, have been deafened as a result. 2. The last sentence is obvious hyperbole. "Deafened"? Yes, deafened - having their hearing capabilities diminished. Deafness is not an absolute but a whole spectrum of impairments. Yes, you just don't just go deaf, like some turning down the volume control. Young people think that's how it happens, and there will always be a volume control to turn up to compensate. Ah no, ppl get all these noises in their ears, bad enough to send ppl crazy, or destroy social life. And perhaps slight noise becomes crashingly loud, so you can't even wash the dishes without thinking the clank of the plates is "deafening". Being blinded means having one's sight removed, usually blinded means just that, no sight, so we say partially blinded or sight impaired, we should say the same about hearing.... Patrick Turner. Andy |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No.51281
Andre Jute a écrit :
Andre Jute (1) Last month I was discussing a script with a film director. 5. If people are watching just inflate a little bit more your ego and use it as a screen. -- Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote. But what's new around here? Dave Weil - Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15 -0500 |
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Sluttishness on Parade
Dédé Jute a écrit :
paul packer wrote: On 15 Dec 2005 05:51:44 -0800, "Andre Jute" wrote: 3. They are ineffably stupid, best seen in their self-laceration, of which Lionel several times assualting me after I demonstrated on his skin that I am not a victim, is a good example. Is the misspelling "assualt" to check if we're reading the full text? Now, do I sound like the sort of fellow who would play a sly trick like that? Nah, I blame the French for that slip of the fingers. I was sitting here thinking in French so that the froggie slut could understand me clearly and not mistake kicks to the goolies for a light bitchslapping, then translating back into English so as not to give the false impression that French is still a world language. Think in French for a minute or two and you will see where the spelling error arises. Oh, oh, Dédé feels oblige to answer me via a third party !!! At least I know *one* coward Aussie now... ;-) Andre Jute Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/ "an unbelievably comprehensive web site" -- Hi-Fi News & Record Review -- Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote. But what's new around here? Dave Weil - Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15 -0500 |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No.51281
Iain Churches wrote:
Sorry to butt in, Andy, when you are all having such a good time:-) Any time Iain. :-) Just for the record, Arny said "classical performers" not orchestral musicians. There is a huge difference as Jenn pointed out. I work daily with classical performers who have never played in a symphony orchestra, and are never likely to do so. I find their levels of audio perception often quite astounding. Just my 2 cents. Carry on:-) Other posters have pointed out that the probable cause of hearing damage is their own instruments, as evidenced by the lateral assymetry of the damage in violinists. Instruments which produce higher frequencies are most damaging. Although the trained perceptions of a skilled musician can probably distinguish subtleties most of us are unaware of, this is likely to be the result of 'post processing', i.e. brain activity, rather than superior hearing. The studies that other posters have referred to seem to indicate that they are not a good group to sample if you wish to get the best ears. Young people from rural areas in less developed countries would probably be the best. "Valve amplifiers are favoured by middle aged men because the colouration produced suits their normal hearing loss" All listening tests are subjective and the results reflect at least as much about the listener as the source. best Andy |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No.51281
dave weil wrote:
I'd be interested in seeing someone cut the grass in the pursuit of art. Google for Andy Goldsworthy ;-) best Andy |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281
On 16 Dec 2005 02:11:51 -0800, "Andre Jute" wrote:
Henry VIII referred to the viol as "The most gentle and pleasing instrument of musicke" I can just see Krueger, after a quick foray into Google, claiming those were all viola da gamba Yes, it's like Lionel trying to claim that the bandoleon isn't a form of accordion. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. or, in this case, the tree doesn't stand far from the fallen apple... |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281
Andy Cowley said: All listening tests are subjective and the results reflect at least as much about the listener as the source. Oh god, now you've done it -- asserted the primacy of subjective sensory impressions over the desiccated "facts" that crawl throughout the Hive. Prepare for a torrent of BorgSmugSnot. |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281
dave weil said: The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. or, in this case, the tree doesn't stand far from the fallen apple... What wine goes with crabapple pie? G |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No.51281
Andre Jute wrote:
Are you the Andy Cowley who is ****ed off at me because I potted your wife's countryman, the little Serbian fascist Choky? No. snip It appears that your accusation about Arnie is in fact Jute Lie No. 1.618 * 10^99. Orchestral musicians _do_ indeed suffer from noise induced hearing damage. Care to apologise? Not at all. You see, your bumbuddy Krueger spouted off about a group of people without discovering which group of people they were. I carefully didn't tell him which class of performers I used for my tests. They weren't orchestral musicians. So what were they? Tightrope walkers? Tap dancers? or Musicians? Other posters have given references to studies showing detectable sound induced hearing loss in classical musicians due to their own instruments so 'orchestras' are not part of the question. Now Krueger, who pretends to be a scientist, having spouted off on a subject, is running around trying to discover what the subject was. Neat little experiment to discover what Krueger is made of, don't you think? He clearly has no understanding of scientific method, for a start. Your post hoc justification is feeble. It seems that for once Arny got it right. An now you are flailing around blustering to cover up your faux pas. Your understanding of scientific method is not evident from any of your posts. For another thing, if Krueger had any decency, he would have admitted his error immediately and apologized. Instead he tries to cover up with personal abuse. Which error was that? You're idiot for trying to defend the indefensible, Cowley. You're a hypocrite, Cowley, for defending indefensible scum like Krueger who is caught out in a gross lie ROTFLMAO! If Jute "had any decency, he would have admitted his error immediately and apologized. Instead he tries to cover up with personal abuse." Pots and kettles. Biter bit. Oh, what a fool you are! Almost charming in your imbecility. Certainly very amusing. More please. Don't have a cow. Andy |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:31:53 -0500, George M. Middius cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote: dave weil said: The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. or, in this case, the tree doesn't stand far from the fallen apple... What wine goes with crabapple pie? G Fat *******. |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No.51281
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:34:44 GMT, Patrick Turner
wrote: Being blinded means having one's sight removed, usually blinded means just that, no sight, so we say partially blinded or sight impaired, we should say the same about hearing.... MOST people do. They say hearing impared. To most people, if you say someone is deaf, it means to them that you are talking about someone who can't hear at all or so little that they must resort to sign language, not their Uncle Fred, the one with the hearing aid who sometimes had to lean into the conversation. Then again, you've got Frenchmen who apply the term to their "enemies" just to puff themselves up. shrug Probably projecting worries about their ongoing decrepitude. I just threw in the last bit to give the little poodle something to gnaw on. |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No.51281
Andy Cowley wrote: Iain Churches wrote: Sorry to butt in, Andy, when you are all having such a good time:-) Any time Iain. :-) Just for the record, Arny said "classical performers" not orchestral musicians. There is a huge difference as Jenn pointed out. I work daily with classical performers who have never played in a symphony orchestra, and are never likely to do so. I find their levels of audio perception often quite astounding. Just my 2 cents. Carry on:-) Other posters have pointed out that the probable cause of hearing damage is their own instruments, as evidenced by the lateral assymetry of the damage in violinists. Instruments which produce higher frequencies are most damaging. Although the trained perceptions of a skilled musician can probably distinguish subtleties most of us are unaware of, this is likely to be the result of 'post processing', i.e. brain activity, rather than superior hearing. The studies that other posters have referred to seem to indicate that they are not a good group to sample if you wish to get the best ears. Young people from rural areas in less developed countries would probably be the best. Perhaps native indians living deep in the Amazon have the best hearing. "Valve amplifiers are favoured by middle aged men because the colouration produced suits their normal hearing loss" I doubt this statement is entirely correct. 99% of valve amps have a flat response like any other amp, tests routinely proove this, 20Hz to 20kHz is routinely the -1dB points in many amps i test. Middle aged men have much varying response patterns depending on noise exposures and genetic variations. All the ones I know don't like "bright" sounding speakers, or overly "bright" recordings, mainly because their ears have become slightly super sensitive to loud sound, with discomfort occuring if the volume is to loud, especially if there is too much treble that simply isn't noticed by a 20 yr old. A tone control makes sense to the brightness heard by many middle aged ppl. Lo and behold, when i test speakers that older guys complain about being bright, they generally are bright, often with a hump in the response at between 2k and 10k, +3bD is typical, and a with an early roll off. Guys like to sit on axis, and have ideas of setting up properly, and speakers are designed to work well in shops to give a slight loudness factor if anything, lest ppl think the flat response speaker has less detail. Older ppl generally want **balance** in their lives, thay have moved from being besotted with their emotions and senses, and seek milder and more complex entertainments that delight with complexity, and the lack of repetitions, the boredoms, without exceeding the capabilities of their slight sense limitations. Lets face it, at 55 most ppl have reduced hearing abilities, worse eyesight, poorer sexual abilities, more aches and pains, poorer ability to taste and smell, and half have reduced mental acuman due to booze and smoking or other abuse from the previous years, or because that's their genetics. And they have put on weight and look less delightful, and its all a matter of luck as how they survive the next 20 years. Some think and act according to how they know they have become, and that's a wise thing, because you sure can't live as if you are 25 at 55, even if you are stoinking rich. I don't know a single person over 40 who likes more than about 85 dB average SPL levels. But some middle aged men at least get obsessive about their interests, and move into getting deep with their technical preferences, they want ultimates, the best, and some will get tube amps because not only do they find tube amps give very blameless hi-fi, warmth, natural sound, plenty of power for the walses and sambas, they have some inherent attraction, a link to the past, a manifestation of the primitive and instinctive connection our beings have with fire, that goes back millions of years. Some middle aged men spend years re-building a hot rod, others like doing all sorts of persuits that give them meaning, even if it isn't all conscious, they just do it, inately knowing that next year they may not be able to, that its nice to have had a past when the future cannot seem to stretch out forever as it does with a man of 20. All listening tests are subjective and the results reflect at least as much about the listener as the source. Listening tests do test the listener.... Patrick Turner. best Andy |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No.51281
Andy Cowley a écrit :
Iain Churches wrote: Sorry to butt in, Andy, when you are all having such a good time:-) Any time Iain. :-) Just for the record, Arny said "classical performers" not orchestral musicians. There is a huge difference as Jenn pointed out. I work daily with classical performers who have never played in a symphony orchestra, and are never likely to do so. I find their levels of audio perception often quite astounding. Just my 2 cents. Carry on:-) Other posters have pointed out that the probable cause of hearing damage is their own instruments, as evidenced by the lateral assymetry of the damage in violinists. Instruments which produce higher frequencies are most damaging. Although the trained perceptions of a skilled musician can probably distinguish subtleties most of us are unaware of, this is likely to be the result of 'post processing', i.e. brain activity, rather than superior hearing. The studies that other posters have referred to seem to indicate that they are not a good group to sample if you wish to get the best ears. Very pertinent, IMHO. Young people from rural areas in less developed countries would probably be the best. I must say *very*, very pertinent "Valve amplifiers are favoured by middle aged men because the colouration produced suits their normal hearing loss" All listening tests are subjective and the results reflect at least as much about the listener as the source. best Andy Thank you Andy for this constructive participation. |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No.51281
dave "deaf" weil a écrit :
Yes, it's like Lionel trying to claim that the bandoleon isn't a form of accordion. This is a lie... I have wrote that bandoleon isn't the same insturment than an accordion. Do you really want that I prove you are a liar ? The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. or, in this case, the tree doesn't stand far from the fallen apple... Redneck philosophy ? -- Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote. But what's new around here? Dave Weil - Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15 -0500 |
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Bandaleon (was hearing damaged)
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Lionel wrote: dave "deaf" weil a écrit : Yes, it's like Lionel trying to claim that the bandoleon isn't a form of accordion. This is a lie... I have wrote that bandoleon isn't the same insturment than an accordion. Do you really want that I prove you are a liar ? Since I'm bored of this argument and have actually been exposed to musical instrument taxonomy, I hope this settles the matter: http://www.ksanti.net/free-reed/desc.../taxonomy.html Both are hand-blown (don't get excited, everyone) framed-reed free-reed free aerophones. After that, it's buttons vs. keyboards and there are accordians with buttons and no keyboard. Next topic, quiche vs pie. Stephen |
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Bandaleon (was hearing damaged)
MINe 109 a écrit :
In article , Lionel wrote: dave "deaf" weil a écrit : Yes, it's like Lionel trying to claim that the bandoleon isn't a form of accordion. This is a lie... I have wrote that bandoleon isn't the same insturment than an accordion. Do you really want that I prove you are a liar ? Since I'm bored of this argument and have actually been exposed to musical instrument taxonomy, I hope this settles the matter: http://www.ksanti.net/free-reed/desc.../taxonomy.html Both are hand-blown (don't get excited, everyone) framed-reed free-reed free aerophones. After that, it's buttons vs. keyboards and there are accordians with buttons and no keyboard. Next topic, quiche vs pie. It's ok for me ! :-D Thank you Stephen. -- Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote. But what's new around here? Dave Weil - Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15 -0500 |
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Bandaleon (was hearing damaged)
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:11:06 +0100, Lionel
wrote: MINe 109 a écrit : In article , Lionel wrote: dave "deaf" weil a écrit : Yes, it's like Lionel trying to claim that the bandoleon isn't a form of accordion. This is a lie... I have wrote that bandoleon isn't the same insturment than an accordion. Do you really want that I prove you are a liar ? Since I'm bored of this argument and have actually been exposed to musical instrument taxonomy, I hope this settles the matter: http://www.ksanti.net/free-reed/desc.../taxonomy.html Both are hand-blown (don't get excited, everyone) framed-reed free-reed free aerophones. After that, it's buttons vs. keyboards and there are accordians with buttons and no keyboard. Next topic, quiche vs pie. It's ok for me ! :-D Another view of the world. In fact, several contradictory views of the world in the same link. I can put up my own links, but because you're self-satisfied, I won't destroy your self esteem. |
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Bandaleon (was hearing damaged)
dave "deaf" weil a écrit :
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:11:06 +0100, Lionel wrote: MINe 109 a écrit : In article , Lionel wrote: dave "deaf" weil a écrit : Yes, it's like Lionel trying to claim that the bandoleon isn't a form of accordion. This is a lie... I have wrote that bandoleon isn't the same insturment than an accordion. Do you really want that I prove you are a liar ? Since I'm bored of this argument and have actually been exposed to musical instrument taxonomy, I hope this settles the matter: http://www.ksanti.net/free-reed/desc.../taxonomy.html Both are hand-blown (don't get excited, everyone) framed-reed free-reed free aerophones. After that, it's buttons vs. keyboards and there are accordians with buttons and no keyboard. Next topic, quiche vs pie. It's ok for me ! :-D Another view of the world. In fact, several contradictory views of the world in the same link. I can put up my own links, As I already told you 10s of time, *YOU* have built up all this *boring* story of bandoleon/accordeon just to be able to place your famous : "You lose Again" The best for you now is that you keep your links for your personal use and read them again and again to help your weakening erection. Poor Dave... but because you're self-satisfied, This is not a matter which has brought me some satisfaction. But it's the case of all the subjects that I have tried to *discuss* with you and that you was only interested to *win*. I won't destroy your self esteem. Unlike your hearing, you can't. :-D -- Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote. But what's new around here? Dave Weil - Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15 -0500 |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:53:26 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: "Iain Churches" wrote in message ... Just for the record, Arny said "classical performers" not orchestral musicians. There is a huge difference as Jenn pointed out. It's just more defensive hair-splitting. [...] Shouldn't that be ear-splitting? :-) - YD. -- Remove HAT if replying by mail. |
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Bandaleon (was hearing damaged)
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:45:34 +0100, Lionel
wrote: This is not a matter which has brought me some satisfaction. But it's the case of all the subjects that I have tried to *discuss* with you and that you was only interested to *win*. Sounds like it's YOU who's only interested in the win. In fact, it was YOU who started this whole thing anyway, going after an off-handed comment I made about enjoying the sound of the accordion. You need to look in the mirror and see how your behavior is so suspect. |
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Bandaleon (was hearing damaged)
dave "deaf" weil a écrit :
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:45:34 +0100, Lionel wrote: This is not a matter which has brought me some satisfaction. But it's the case of all the subjects that I have tried to *discuss* with you and that you was only interested to *win*. Sounds like it's YOU who's only interested in the win. Not true. BTW it would be impossible to "win" a discussion against you. Your argumentation belongs to the McKelvy type. Does someone already "win" a debate against McKelvy ? You see it's not possible... ;-) In fact, it was YOU who started this whole thing anyway, going after an off-handed comment I made about enjoying the sound of the accordion. Re-read the thread. Your memory is as weakening as your hearing. You need to look in the mirror and see how your behavior is so suspect. I must leave now, so please study carefully again and again your links and all your litterature concerning accordeons and bandoneons. I suspect that it's not the last time that you are boringly bringing back this subject to RAO. Who knows, perhaps in the end you will finaly have a subject on which you will be *really* performant... ;-) Poor Stephen !!! PS : if your familly and friends read RAO this should give them an idea of present for your next birthday. :-D -- Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote. But what's new around here? Dave Weil - Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15 -0500 |
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Bandaleon (was hearing damaged)
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:00:34 +0100, Lionel
wrote: In fact, it was YOU who started this whole thing anyway, going after an off-handed comment I made about enjoying the sound of the accordion. Re-read the thread. Your memory is as weakening as your hearing. NO, YOU need to go back and read the original thread and see who made this an issue in the first place. I'm glad though that you are leaving for a while. I can only hope that it's to spend some quality weekend time with your loved ones. if that's the case, then you will WIN. |
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Bandaleon (was hearing damaged)
dave "deaf" weil a écrit :
NO, YOU need to go back and read the original thread and see who made this an issue in the first place. Prove it.... Zzzzzzzzzzzzz -- Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote. But what's new around here? Dave Weil - Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15 -0500 |
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Bandaleon (was hearing damaged)
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:11:06 +0100, Lionel
wrote: Next topic, quiche vs pie. Real men don't eat quiche. Obviously pie wins by default. |
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Bandaleon (was hearing damaged)
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:37:11 +0100, Lionel
wrote: dave "deaf" weil a écrit : NO, YOU need to go back and read the original thread and see who made this an issue in the first place. Prove it.... Thank you, Arnold. I rest my case. |
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