In message , Mike
McKelvy made the claim

"All other Presidents didn't steal the China form the White
House, but the Clintons did."

This may seem to be an odd point to dwell on, but here's why
I chose to:

1. It's emblematic of the tapestry of lies woven by the Bush
administration and its apparatchiks. Remember, this
administration presented itself as one built on fundamental
honesty and integrity and promised to change the tone of
politics in the US. The claims they made that the exiting
Clintonites ransacked Air Force One and the White House were
among their earliest salvos in their systematic campaign of
deception and disinformation.

2. Mike McKelvy has elected to cling to this belief, despite
the fact that is demonstrably false and has been discounted
by even his beloved right-wing media.


A little background is necessary. First, the story can be
traced to Bush strategist Karl "Turd Blossom" Rove. The
nickname is not my creation -- that's what Bush insiders
call him:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/goss...5p-45186c.html

In order to build a case against Rove, it is first necessary
to recognize that Rove has been a dirty player from the
first days of his life as a political strategist:

http://tinyurl.com/2hknu

A snippet from the biography of the illustrious Mr. Blossom:

"Rove acknowledges that, in 1970, he used a false identity
to gain entry to the campaign offices of Illinois Democrat
Alan Dixon, who was running for state treasurer. Once
inside, Rove swiped some letterhead stationery and sent out
1,000 bogus invitations to the opening of the candidate's
headquarters promising "free beer, free food, girls and a
good time for nothing."

Cute stuff, eh? Anyway, it was Rove who started the rumor
about Clinton staffers ransacking the White House and
looting Air Force One. The rumor gained immediate traction
and found its way into the headlines right away. All of the
media jumped on the bandwagon without doing much fact
checking. Predictably, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Snow, Hannity,
Coulter, Hume, et. al. got a lot of predictable mileage from
this story.

A subsequent investigation by the GSA proved none of it ever
happened. Evidence follows.

You will see, Mike, that even numbskulls like Tony Snow have
recanted. Will you do the honorable thing and do the same??
Will you admit for once that you need to start looking into
things more carefully instead of getting your political
information from comic books and talk-radio morons?


-----------------------------------------

http://tinyurl.com/ytt5s

WASHINGTON -- The General Services Administration has
found that the White House vandalism flap earlier this year
was a flop.

The agency concluded that departing members of the Clinton
administration had not trashed the place during the
presidential transition, as unidentified aides to President
Bush and other critics had insisted.

Responding to a request from Rep. Bob Barr, a Georgia
Republican, who asked for an investigation, the GSA found
that nothing out of the ordinary had occurred.

"The condition of the real property was consistent with
what we would expect to encounter when tenants vacate office
space after an extended occupancy," according to a GSA
statement.


[snip]

And now GSA has made it official.

"They told me that there were papers that were not
organized lying on the floor and on desks; there were some
scratches here and there, but the bottom line was they
didn't see anything really in their view that was
significant and that would appear to some as real extensive
damage," said Bernard Unger, director for physical
infrastructure for the General Accounting Office, which
asked GSA to look into the allegations.

[snip]

As for the critics, Barr's office didn't return calls
about the GSA findings. Snow was somewhat contrite. "I'm
perfectly willing to admit my error on the aircraft," he
said, but added that he still believed his sources who told
him about damage at the White House.

--------------------------------------------

http://tinyurl.com/386bw

Typical of the media’s lack of journalistic rigor when
dealing with negative Clinton stories, the Washington press
corps did not demand proof of the vandalism, such as
photographs or other hard evidence. Instead, the press
corps simply published unattributed accounts of vengeful
Democrats ransacking government property, a theme that
meshed well with Bush’s public call for a restoration of
dignity in the White House.

Nearly four months later, the General Services
Administration issued a report finding no evidence that
Clinton’s aides had trashed the White House. “The condition
of the real property was consistent with what we would
expect to encounter when tenants vacate office space after
an extended occupancy,” the federal landlord agency said.

Unlike the front-page treatment of the allegations, the GSA
report was either buried deep in newspapers or ignored
altogether. The Washington Post ran a wire story on page A13
on May 18, 2001.

Nine days later, Jake Siewart, Clinton’s last press
secretary, wrote an opinion column published in the Post’s
Outlook section. “After years of watching the Washington
press corps at work, I know it’s pointless to ask for
apologies,” Siewart wrote. “Apparently, most of the
commentators and reporters who reported this story four
months ago have ‘moved on.’ Being a journalist today means
never having to say you’re sorry.”

Siewart contrasted the apocryphal damage to the White House
to the real damage to the reputation of Clinton aides. “The
Clinton staff, who offered the new Bush team detailed
briefing books, one-on-one meetings and personal tours to
make the transition seamless, got to go home and have their
reputations trashed by the people they had helped. All in
the name of ‘changing the tone’ in Washington. And the
press corps did not just sit back and watch the vandals at
work; it lent a hand.” [WP, May 27, 2001]

-----------------------------------------------------


http://tinyurl.com/38sun


Remember all those stories about Bill Clinton and his
friends trashing the White House and Air Force One--you
know, the stories about torn carpets, scratched walls, and
stolen champagne flutes that seemed to affirm, with uncanny
timing, George W. Bush's promise to bring "dignity" back to
the presidency? In the week after Bush took office, CNN's
Kelly Wallace quoted unnamed administration sources
describing "trash everywhere." NBC's Andrea Mitchell,
relying on equally mysterious Bush personnel, described the
devastation of "phone lines cut, drawers filled with glue,
door locks jimmied so that arriving Bush staff got locked
inside their new offices." Other reports soon followed, none
quoting named sources. In fact, as TAP's own Joshua Micah
Marshall pointed out in Slate, the White House press corps
ran with this story "without requiring one White House
staffer to go on the record about specific vandalism or to
provide any physical evidence."

Now we know why: The Bushies--especially White House press
secretary Ari Fleischer--were lying. First, an official at
Andrews Air Force Base confirmed that nothing was missing
from Air Force One. (So where did Fox News hack Tony Snow
get his info that silverware and porcelain dishes with the
presidential seal were missing, that the presidential plane
"looked as if it had been stripped by a skilled band of
thieves--or perhaps wrecked by a trailer park twister"? Good
question.) And on May 17, the General Services
Administration reported that with regard to the White House,
aside from a few missing W's on computer keyboards and a
handmade sign labeled "Office of Strategary," the "condition
of the real property was consistent with what we would
expect to encounter when tenants vacate office space after
an extended occupancy."

The Kansas City Star and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette were
quick to report the GSA's conclusions, and a smattering of
news coverage followed. Surely CNN, NBC, and other major
media outlets will be issuing prompt and prominent retractions.

--------------------------------------------------

http://tinyurl.com/2n62r

With the exception of Fox News, none of the media outlets
that hyped this nonstory have moved aggressively in the past
week to rectify their errors. The conservative cable news
channel mentioned the vandalism story in 13 separate
programs or segments in the first week after it broke. To
its credit, Fox acknowledged on Friday -- the same day the
GAO report became public -- that there had been little
evidence to support its vandalism claims. Later "Fox News
Sunday" host Tony Snow went even further, apologizing to
former Clinton staffers for his error. "OK, I'm sorry," Snow
said on the program. "The ex-president's pals have a
legitimate beef."

Glenn Zelniker wrote:


In message , Mike
McKelvy made the claim

"All other Presidents didn't steal the China form the White
House, but the Clintons did."


Really? The whole country? or just part of it?

Is it possible that McKelvy is related to Emily Litella?


This may seem to be an odd point to dwell on, but here's why
I chose to:

1. It's emblematic of the tapestry of lies woven by the Bush
administration and its apparatchiks. Remember, this
administration presented itself as one built on fundamental
honesty and integrity and promised to change the tone of
politics in the US. The claims they made that the exiting
Clintonites ransacked Air Force One and the White House were
among their earliest salvos in their systematic campaign of
deception and disinformation.


If true, that would explain McKelvy's admiration for them. He's always (at
least on RAO) been eager to their emulate their behavior. Deception and
disinformation have certainly been a significant part of his 7 year smear
campaign directed against various RAO posters.


2. Mike McKelvy has elected to cling to this belief, despite
the fact that is demonstrably false and has been discounted
by even his beloved right-wing media.


No doubt McKelvy will no state either (a) "It's my opinion", or (b) "I don't
care anymore". Even when he has been convincingly and completely discredited
and disproven re. some of his false claims on RAO, he has continued to repeat
and/or justify them.



A little background is necessary. First, the story can be
traced to Bush strategist Karl "Turd Blossom" Rove. The
nickname is not my creation -- that's what Bush insiders
call him:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/goss...5p-45186c.html

In order to build a case against Rove, it is first necessary
to recognize that Rove has been a dirty player from the
first days of his life as a political strategist:

http://tinyurl.com/2hknu

A snippet from the biography of the illustrious Mr. Blossom:

"Rove acknowledges that, in 1970, he used a false identity
to gain entry to the campaign offices of Illinois Democrat
Alan Dixon, who was running for state treasurer. Once
inside, Rove swiped some letterhead stationery and sent out
1,000 bogus invitations to the opening of the candidate's
headquarters promising "free beer, free food, girls and a
good time for nothing."

Cute stuff, eh? Anyway, it was Rove who started the rumor
about Clinton staffers ransacking the White House and
looting Air Force One. The rumor gained immediate traction
and found its way into the headlines right away. All of the
media jumped on the bandwagon without doing much fact
checking. Predictably, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Snow, Hannity,
Coulter, Hume, et. al. got a lot of predictable mileage from
this story.

A subsequent investigation by the GSA proved none of it ever
happened. Evidence follows.

You will see, Mike, that even numbskulls like Tony Snow have
recanted. Will you do the honorable thing and do the same??

Highly unlikely that McKelvy, given his prior history, will act out of
character and recant the lies he has made on RAO. His hatreds and need to
smears those with whom he disagrees far outweigh any semblance of honorable
behavior.



Will you admit for once that you need to start looking into
things more carefully instead of getting your political
information from comic books and talk-radio morons?






-----------------------------------------

http://tinyurl.com/ytt5s

WASHINGTON -- The General Services Administration has
found that the White House vandalism flap earlier this year
was a flop.

The agency concluded that departing members of the Clinton
administration had not trashed the place during the
presidential transition, as unidentified aides to President
Bush and other critics had insisted.

Responding to a request from Rep. Bob Barr, a Georgia
Republican, who asked for an investigation, the GSA found
that nothing out of the ordinary had occurred.

"The condition of the real property was consistent with
what we would expect to encounter when tenants vacate office
space after an extended occupancy," according to a GSA
statement.


[snip]

And now GSA has made it official.

"They told me that there were papers that were not
organized lying on the floor and on desks; there were some
scratches here and there, but the bottom line was they
didn't see anything really in their view that was
significant and that would appear to some as real extensive
damage," said Bernard Unger, director for physical
infrastructure for the General Accounting Office, which
asked GSA to look into the allegations.

[snip]

As for the critics, Barr's office didn't return calls
about the GSA findings. Snow was somewhat contrite. "I'm
perfectly willing to admit my error on the aircraft," he
said, but added that he still believed his sources who told
him about damage at the White House.

--------------------------------------------

http://tinyurl.com/386bw

Typical of the medias lack of journalistic rigor when
dealing with negative Clinton stories, the Washington press
corps did not demand proof of the vandalism, such as
photographs or other hard evidence. Instead, the press
corps simply published unattributed accounts of vengeful
Democrats ransacking government property, a theme that
meshed well with Bushs public call for a restoration of
dignity in the White House.

Nearly four months later, the General Services
Administration issued a report finding no evidence that
Clintons aides had trashed the White House. €œThe condition
of the real property was consistent with what we would
expect to encounter when tenants vacate office space after
an extended occupancy,€? the federal landlord agency said.

Unlike the front-page treatment of the allegations, the GSA
report was either buried deep in newspapers or ignored
altogether. The Washington Post ran a wire story on page A13
on May 18, 2001.

Nine days later, Jake Siewart, Clintons last press
secretary, wrote an opinion column published in the Posts
Outlook section. €œAfter years of watching the Washington
press corps at work, I know its pointless to ask for
apologies,€? Siewart wrote. €œApparently, most of the
commentators and reporters who reported this story four
months ago have €˜moved on. Being a journalist today means
never having to say youre sorry.€?

Siewart contrasted the apocryphal damage to the White House
to the real damage to the reputation of Clinton aides. €œThe
Clinton staff, who offered the new Bush team detailed
briefing books, one-on-one meetings and personal tours to
make the transition seamless, got to go home and have their
reputations trashed by the people they had helped. All in
the name of €˜changing the tone in Washington. And the
press corps did not just sit back and watch the vandals at
work; it lent a hand.€? [WP, May 27, 2001]

-----------------------------------------------------


http://tinyurl.com/38sun


Remember all those stories about Bill Clinton and his
friends trashing the White House and Air Force One--you
know, the stories about torn carpets, scratched walls, and
stolen champagne flutes that seemed to affirm, with uncanny
timing, George W. Bush's promise to bring "dignity" back to
the presidency? In the week after Bush took office, CNN's
Kelly Wallace quoted unnamed administration sources
describing "trash everywhere." NBC's Andrea Mitchell,
relying on equally mysterious Bush personnel, described the
devastation of "phone lines cut, drawers filled with glue,
door locks jimmied so that arriving Bush staff got locked
inside their new offices." Other reports soon followed, none
quoting named sources. In fact, as TAP's own Joshua Micah
Marshall pointed out in Slate, the White House press corps
ran with this story "without requiring one White House
staffer to go on the record about specific vandalism or to
provide any physical evidence."

Now we know why: The Bushies--especially White House press
secretary Ari Fleischer--were lying. First, an official at
Andrews Air Force Base confirmed that nothing was missing
from Air Force One. (So where did Fox News hack Tony Snow
get his info that silverware and porcelain dishes with the
presidential seal were missing, that the presidential plane
"looked as if it had been stripped by a skilled band of
thieves--or perhaps wrecked by a trailer park twister"? Good
question.) And on May 17, the General Services
Administration reported that with regard to the White House,
aside from a few missing W's on computer keyboards and a
handmade sign labeled "Office of Strategary," the "condition
of the real property was consistent with what we would
expect to encounter when tenants vacate office space after
an extended occupancy."

The Kansas City Star and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette were
quick to report the GSA's conclusions, and a smattering of
news coverage followed. Surely CNN, NBC, and other major
media outlets will be issuing prompt and prominent retractions.

--------------------------------------------------

http://tinyurl.com/2n62r

With the exception of Fox News, none of the media outlets
that hyped this nonstory have moved aggressively in the past
week to rectify their errors. The conservative cable news
channel mentioned the vandalism story in 13 separate
programs or segments in the first week after it broke. To
its credit, Fox acknowledged on Friday -- the same day the
GAO report became public -- that there had been little
evidence to support its vandalism claims. Later "Fox News
Sunday" host Tony Snow went even further, apologizing to
former Clinton staffers for his error. "OK, I'm sorry," Snow
said on the program. "The ex-president's pals have a
legitimate beef."








Bruce J. Richman

Being done didn't last long.

"Glenn Zelniker" wrote in message
...
In message , Mike
McKelvy made the claim

"All other Presidents didn't steal the China form the White
House, but the Clintons did."

This may seem to be an odd point to dwell on, but here's why
I chose to:

1. It's emblematic of the tapestry of lies woven by the Bush
administration and its apparatchiks.

It has Nothing to do with teh Bush administration, it was a news item.

Remember, this
administration presented itself as one built on fundamental
honesty and integrity and promised to change the tone of
politics in the US. The claims they made that the exiting
Clintonites ransacked Air Force One and the White House were
among their earliest salvos in their systematic campaign of
deception and disinformation.

2. Mike McKelvy has elected to cling to this belief, despite
the fact that is demonstrably false and has been discounted
by even his beloved right-wing media.


A little background is necessary. First, the story can be
traced to Bush strategist Karl "Turd Blossom" Rove.
The
nickname is not my creation -- that's what Bush insiders
call him:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/goss...5p-45186c.html

In order to build a case against Rove, it is first necessary
to recognize that Rove has been a dirty player from the
first days of his life as a political strategist:

http://tinyurl.com/2hknu

A snippet from the biography of the illustrious Mr. Blossom:

"Rove acknowledges that, in 1970, he used a false identity
to gain entry to the campaign offices of Illinois Democrat
Alan Dixon, who was running for state treasurer. Once
inside, Rove swiped some letterhead stationery and sent out
1,000 bogus invitations to the opening of the candidate's
headquarters promising "free beer, free food, girls and a
good time for nothing."

Cute stuff, eh? Anyway, it was Rove who started the rumor
about Clinton staffers ransacking the White House and
looting Air Force One. The rumor gained immediate traction
and found its way into the headlines right away. All of the
media jumped on the bandwagon without doing much fact
checking. Predictably, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Snow, Hannity,
Coulter, Hume, et. al. got a lot of predictable mileage from
this story.

A subsequent investigation by the GSA proved none of it ever
happened. Evidence follows.

You will see, Mike, that even numbskulls like Tony Snow have
recanted. Will you do the honorable thing and do the same??

Sure. I hadn't hear that this was the case. I do recall Hilary saying
that if they took something they shouldn't have, they would return it. This
seemed to give some credence to the allegation.

Will you admit for once that you need to start looking into
things more carefully instead of getting your political
information from comic books and talk-radio morons?

I missed a news story, so sue me.

Right after you admit that the Democrats and their platform can only harm
America, especially America's poor.

http://tinyurl.com/ytt5s

WASHINGTON -- The General Services Administration has
found that the White House vandalism flap earlier this year
was a flop.

The agency concluded that departing members of the Clinton
administration had not trashed the place during the
presidential transition, as unidentified aides to President
Bush and other critics had insisted.

Responding to a request from Rep. Bob Barr, a Georgia
Republican, who asked for an investigation, the GSA found
that nothing out of the ordinary had occurred.

"The condition of the real property was consistent with
what we would expect to encounter when tenants vacate office
space after an extended occupancy," according to a GSA
statement.


The above, I had heard.

[snip]

And now GSA has made it official.

"They told me that there were papers that were not
organized lying on the floor and on desks; there were some
scratches here and there, but the bottom line was they
didn't see anything really in their view that was
significant and that would appear to some as real extensive
damage," said Bernard Unger, director for physical
infrastructure for the General Accounting Office, which
asked GSA to look into the allegations.

[snip]

As for the critics, Barr's office didn't return calls
about the GSA findings. Snow was somewhat contrite. "I'm
perfectly willing to admit my error on the aircraft," he
said, but added that he still believed his sources who told
him about damage at the White House.

--------------------------------------------

http://tinyurl.com/386bw

Typical of the media’s lack of journalistic rigor when
dealing with negative Clinton stories, the Washington press
corps did not demand proof of the vandalism, such as
photographs or other hard evidence. Instead, the press
corps simply published unattributed accounts of vengeful
Democrats ransacking government property, a theme that
meshed well with Bush’s public call for a restoration of
dignity in the White House.

Nearly four months later, the General Services
Administration issued a report finding no evidence that
Clinton’s aides had trashed the White House. “The condition
of the real property was consistent with what we would
expect to encounter when tenants vacate office space after
an extended occupancy,” the federal landlord agency said.

Unlike the front-page treatment of the allegations, the GSA
report was either buried deep in newspapers or ignored
altogether. The Washington Post ran a wire story on page A13
on May 18, 2001.

Nine days later, Jake Siewart, Clinton’s last press
secretary, wrote an opinion column published in the Post’s
Outlook section. “After years of watching the Washington
press corps at work, I know it’s pointless to ask for
apologies,” Siewart wrote. “Apparently, most of the
commentators and reporters who reported this story four
months ago have ‘moved on.’ Being a journalist today means
never having to say you’re sorry.”

Siewart contrasted the apocryphal damage to the White House
to the real damage to the reputation of Clinton aides. “The
Clinton staff, who offered the new Bush team detailed
briefing books, one-on-one meetings and personal tours to
make the transition seamless, got to go home and have their
reputations trashed by the people they had helped. All in
the name of ‘changing the tone’ in Washington. And the
press corps did not just sit back and watch the vandals at
work; it lent a hand.” [WP, May 27, 2001]

-----------------------------------------------------


http://tinyurl.com/38sun


Remember all those stories about Bill Clinton and his
friends trashing the White House and Air Force One--you
know, the stories about torn carpets, scratched walls, and
stolen champagne flutes that seemed to affirm, with uncanny
timing, George W. Bush's promise to bring "dignity" back to
the presidency? In the week after Bush took office, CNN's
Kelly Wallace quoted unnamed administration sources
describing "trash everywhere." NBC's Andrea Mitchell,
relying on equally mysterious Bush personnel, described the
devastation of "phone lines cut, drawers filled with glue,
door locks jimmied so that arriving Bush staff got locked
inside their new offices." Other reports soon followed, none
quoting named sources. In fact, as TAP's own Joshua Micah
Marshall pointed out in Slate, the White House press corps
ran with this story "without requiring one White House
staffer to go on the record about specific vandalism or to
provide any physical evidence."

Now we know why: The Bushies--especially White House press
secretary Ari Fleischer--were lying. First, an official at
Andrews Air Force Base confirmed that nothing was missing
from Air Force One. (So where did Fox News hack Tony Snow
get his info that silverware and porcelain dishes with the
presidential seal were missing, that the presidential plane
"looked as if it had been stripped by a skilled band of
thieves--or perhaps wrecked by a trailer park twister"? Good
question.) And on May 17, the General Services
Administration reported that with regard to the White House,
aside from a few missing W's on computer keyboards and a
handmade sign labeled "Office of Strategary," the "condition
of the real property was consistent with what we would
expect to encounter when tenants vacate office space after
an extended occupancy."

The Kansas City Star and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette were
quick to report the GSA's conclusions, and a smattering of
news coverage followed. Surely CNN, NBC, and other major
media outlets will be issuing prompt and prominent retractions.

--------------------------------------------------

http://tinyurl.com/2n62r

With the exception of Fox News, none of the media outlets
that hyped this nonstory have moved aggressively in the past
week to rectify their errors. The conservative cable news
channel mentioned the vandalism story in 13 separate
programs or segments in the first week after it broke. To
its credit, Fox acknowledged on Friday -- the same day the
GAO report became public -- that there had been little
evidence to support its vandalism claims. Later "Fox News
Sunday" host Tony Snow went even further, apologizing to
former Clinton staffers for his error. "OK, I'm sorry," Snow
said on the program. "The ex-president's pals have a
legitimate beef."

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
...
Glenn Zelniker wrote:


In message , Mike
McKelvy made the claim

"All other Presidents didn't steal the China form the White
House, but the Clintons did."


Really? The whole country? or just part of it?

Is it possible that McKelvy is related to Emily Litella?


This may seem to be an odd point to dwell on, but here's why
I chose to:

1. It's emblematic of the tapestry of lies woven by the Bush
administration and its apparatchiks. Remember, this
administration presented itself as one built on fundamental
honesty and integrity and promised to change the tone of
politics in the US. The claims they made that the exiting
Clintonites ransacked Air Force One and the White House were
among their earliest salvos in their systematic campaign of
deception and disinformation.


If true, that would explain McKelvy's admiration for them. He's always
(at
least on RAO) been eager to their emulate their behavior. Deception and
disinformation have certainly been a significant part of his 7 year smear
campaign directed against various RAO posters.


There you go again, lying.

2. Mike McKelvy has elected to cling to this belief, despite
the fact that is demonstrably false and has been discounted
by even his beloved right-wing media.


Yo, Quackenbush! I never heard the followup or I'd never have said what I
did.

No doubt McKelvy will no state either (a) "It's my opinion", or (b) "I
don't
care anymore". Even when he has been convincingly and completely
discredited
and disproven re. some of his false claims on RAO, he has continued to
repeat
and/or justify them.

The fact that you keep saying this doesn't make it true.



A little background is necessary. First, the story can be
traced to Bush strategist Karl "Turd Blossom" Rove. The
nickname is not my creation -- that's what Bush insiders
call him:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/goss...5p-45186c.html

In order to build a case against Rove, it is first necessary
to recognize that Rove has been a dirty player from the
first days of his life as a political strategist:

http://tinyurl.com/2hknu

A snippet from the biography of the illustrious Mr. Blossom:

"Rove acknowledges that, in 1970, he used a false identity
to gain entry to the campaign offices of Illinois Democrat
Alan Dixon, who was running for state treasurer. Once
inside, Rove swiped some letterhead stationery and sent out
1,000 bogus invitations to the opening of the candidate's
headquarters promising "free beer, free food, girls and a
good time for nothing."

Cute stuff, eh? Anyway, it was Rove who started the rumor
about Clinton staffers ransacking the White House and
looting Air Force One. The rumor gained immediate traction
and found its way into the headlines right away. All of the
media jumped on the bandwagon without doing much fact
checking. Predictably, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Snow, Hannity,
Coulter, Hume, et. al. got a lot of predictable mileage from
this story.

A subsequent investigation by the GSA proved none of it ever
happened. Evidence follows.

You will see, Mike, that even numbskulls like Tony Snow have
recanted. Will you do the honorable thing and do the same??

Highly unlikely that McKelvy, given his prior history, will act out of
character and recant the lies he has made on RAO.

You tried before to claim that i have a history of lies and you failed
miserably to produce anything more than your endless screeds CLAIMING it.
You're a fool.

His hatreds and need to
smears those with whom he disagrees far outweigh any semblance of
honorable
behavior.

Another false claim.

Will you admit for once that you need to start looking into
things more carefully instead of getting your political
information from comic books and talk-radio morons?






-----------------------------------------

http://tinyurl.com/ytt5s

WASHINGTON -- The General Services Administration has
found that the White House vandalism flap earlier this year
was a flop.

The agency concluded that departing members of the Clinton
administration had not trashed the place during the
presidential transition, as unidentified aides to President
Bush and other critics had insisted.

Responding to a request from Rep. Bob Barr, a Georgia
Republican, who asked for an investigation, the GSA found
that nothing out of the ordinary had occurred.

"The condition of the real property was consistent with
what we would expect to encounter when tenants vacate office
space after an extended occupancy," according to a GSA
statement.


[snip]

And now GSA has made it official.

"They told me that there were papers that were not
organized lying on the floor and on desks; there were some
scratches here and there, but the bottom line was they
didn't see anything really in their view that was
significant and that would appear to some as real extensive
damage," said Bernard Unger, director for physical
infrastructure for the General Accounting Office, which
asked GSA to look into the allegations.

[snip]

As for the critics, Barr's office didn't return calls
about the GSA findings. Snow was somewhat contrite. "I'm
perfectly willing to admit my error on the aircraft," he
said, but added that he still believed his sources who told
him about damage at the White House.

--------------------------------------------

http://tinyurl.com/386bw

Typical of the media's lack of journalistic rigor when
dealing with negative Clinton stories, the Washington press
corps did not demand proof of the vandalism, such as
photographs or other hard evidence. Instead, the press
corps simply published unattributed accounts of vengeful
Democrats ransacking government property, a theme that
meshed well with Bush's public call for a restoration of
dignity in the White House.

Nearly four months later, the General Services
Administration issued a report finding no evidence that
Clinton's aides had trashed the White House. "The condition
of the real property was consistent with what we would
expect to encounter when tenants vacate office space after
an extended occupancy," the federal landlord agency said.

Unlike the front-page treatment of the allegations, the GSA
report was either buried deep in newspapers or ignored
altogether. The Washington Post ran a wire story on page A13
on May 18, 2001.

Nine days later, Jake Siewart, Clinton's last press
secretary, wrote an opinion column published in the Post's
Outlook section. "After years of watching the Washington
press corps at work, I know it's pointless to ask for
apologies," Siewart wrote. "Apparently, most of the
commentators and reporters who reported this story four
months ago have 'moved on.' Being a journalist today means
never having to say you're sorry."

Siewart contrasted the apocryphal damage to the White House
to the real damage to the reputation of Clinton aides. "The
Clinton staff, who offered the new Bush team detailed
briefing books, one-on-one meetings and personal tours to
make the transition seamless, got to go home and have their
reputations trashed by the people they had helped. All in
the name of 'changing the tone' in Washington. And the
press corps did not just sit back and watch the vandals at
work; it lent a hand." [WP, May 27, 2001]

-----------------------------------------------------


http://tinyurl.com/38sun


Remember all those stories about Bill Clinton and his
friends trashing the White House and Air Force One--you
know, the stories about torn carpets, scratched walls, and
stolen champagne flutes that seemed to affirm, with uncanny
timing, George W. Bush's promise to bring "dignity" back to
the presidency? In the week after Bush took office, CNN's
Kelly Wallace quoted unnamed administration sources
describing "trash everywhere." NBC's Andrea Mitchell,
relying on equally mysterious Bush personnel, described the
devastation of "phone lines cut, drawers filled with glue,
door locks jimmied so that arriving Bush staff got locked
inside their new offices." Other reports soon followed, none
quoting named sources. In fact, as TAP's own Joshua Micah
Marshall pointed out in Slate, the White House press corps
ran with this story "without requiring one White House
staffer to go on the record about specific vandalism or to
provide any physical evidence."

Now we know why: The Bushies--especially White House press
secretary Ari Fleischer--were lying. First, an official at
Andrews Air Force Base confirmed that nothing was missing
from Air Force One. (So where did Fox News hack Tony Snow
get his info that silverware and porcelain dishes with the
presidential seal were missing, that the presidential plane
"looked as if it had been stripped by a skilled band of
thieves--or perhaps wrecked by a trailer park twister"? Good
question.) And on May 17, the General Services
Administration reported that with regard to the White House,
aside from a few missing W's on computer keyboards and a
handmade sign labeled "Office of Strategary," the "condition
of the real property was consistent with what we would
expect to encounter when tenants vacate office space after
an extended occupancy."

The Kansas City Star and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette were
quick to report the GSA's conclusions, and a smattering of
news coverage followed. Surely CNN, NBC, and other major
media outlets will be issuing prompt and prominent retractions.

--------------------------------------------------

http://tinyurl.com/2n62r

With the exception of Fox News, none of the media outlets
that hyped this nonstory have moved aggressively in the past
week to rectify their errors. The conservative cable news
channel mentioned the vandalism story in 13 separate
programs or segments in the first week after it broke. To
its credit, Fox acknowledged on Friday -- the same day the
GAO report became public -- that there had been little
evidence to support its vandalism claims. Later "Fox News
Sunday" host Tony Snow went even further, apologizing to
former Clinton staffers for his error. "OK, I'm sorry," Snow
said on the program. "The ex-president's pals have a
legitimate beef."








Bruce J. Richman

Didn't you see that Glen thinks it not nice to quote the entire post, you
*******. :-)

Michael McKelvy wrote:
Being done didn't last long.

"Glenn Zelniker" wrote in message
...

In message , Mike
McKelvy made the claim

"All other Presidents didn't steal the China form the White
House, but the Clintons did."

This may seem to be an odd point to dwell on, but here's why
I chose to:

1. It's emblematic of the tapestry of lies woven by the Bush
administration and its apparatchiks.


It has Nothing to do with teh Bush administration, it was a news item.

You dumbass. It has EVERYTHING to do with the Bushies.
Connect the dots. It WASN'T a news item until Rove and his
boys MADE IT UP. Where do you think the news item came from
if GSA, GAO, et. al. found there was nothing of substance?
Do you think the Clintons made it up? It was a smear tactic,
pure and simple. And you bought into it and used it as a
rhetorical ploy to make Clinton look like a thief.

Now own up to it.

GZ

"Glenn Zelniker" wrote in message
...
Michael McKelvy wrote:
Being done didn't last long.

"Glenn Zelniker" wrote in message
...

In message , Mike
McKelvy made the claim

"All other Presidents didn't steal the China form the White
House, but the Clintons did."

This may seem to be an odd point to dwell on, but here's why
I chose to:

1. It's emblematic of the tapestry of lies woven by the Bush
administration and its apparatchiks.


It has Nothing to do with teh Bush administration, it was a news item.

You dumbass. It has EVERYTHING to do with the Bushies.

Try and get this through your ****ing head, I didn't know it was anything
other than a news story. It seemed right in line with everything else that
was known about the Clinton's lack of character or nobody would have
mentioned it at all.



Connect the dots. It WASN'T a news item until Rove and his
boys MADE IT UP. Where do you think the news item came from
if GSA, GAO, et. al. found there was nothing of substance?
Do you think the Clintons made it up? It was a smear tactic,
pure and simple. And you bought into it and used it as a
rhetorical ploy to make Clinton look like a thief.

Now own up to it.

Own up to what, that I said something I THOUGHT was true and it isn't? I
did that already.

**** you very much.

GZ

Michael McKelvy wrote:


"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
...
Glenn Zelniker wrote:


In message , Mike
McKelvy made the claim

"All other Presidents didn't steal the China form the White
House, but the Clintons did."


Really? The whole country? or just part of it?

Is it possible that McKelvy is related to Emily Litella?


This may seem to be an odd point to dwell on, but here's why
I chose to:

1. It's emblematic of the tapestry of lies woven by the Bush
administration and its apparatchiks. Remember, this
administration presented itself as one built on fundamental
honesty and integrity and promised to change the tone of
politics in the US. The claims they made that the exiting
Clintonites ransacked Air Force One and the White House were
among their earliest salvos in their systematic campaign of
deception and disinformation.


If true, that would explain McKelvy's admiration for them. He's always
(at
least on RAO) been eager to their emulate their behavior. Deception and
disinformation have certainly been a significant part of his 7 year smear
campaign directed against various RAO posters.


There you go again, lying.


Bull****. Nothing in this thread that I have said about you is a lie. Your
record of character assassination, and blatant lies about me are a matter of
Google record. Your lies have been thoroughly discredited, scumbag.



2. Mike McKelvy has elected to cling to this belief, despite
the fact that is demonstrably false and has been discounted
by even his beloved right-wing media.


Yo, Quackenbush! I never heard the followup or I'd never have said what I
did.


The pathological liar, duh-Mikey, draggfing his neanderthal knuckles as usual,
simply repeats his hatemongering fre. liberals, Democrats, numerous political
issues, and of course, all RAO posters that he hates. This piece of **** is a
lying slanderer whose RAO behavior speaks for itself.

No doubt McKelvy will no state either (a) "It's my opinion", or (b) "I
don't
care anymore". Even when he has been convincingly and completely
discredited
and disproven re. some of his false claims on RAO, he has continued to
repeat
and/or justify them.

The fact that you keep saying this doesn't make it true.



Where';s your proof that anything I've said about my professional identity is
false, you wothless piece of ****?

The only thing that has been repeated ad
nauseam that has been proven to be false, are your despicable and laughable
attempts to repeat your libelous bull**** about me on RAO. Just as you've
tried to repeat stories made up to smear Cliniton, you salivated like the sick
sociopath we kinow you to be when you were allegedly presented with some
bull**** by an anonymous email poster whom you never met. Needless to say, if
such a person even existed - whch is doubtful - he could have published
whatever "facts" he had here. But why should he or she when he had a robotic,
slander-spreading, hatemongering fool like you to mouth whatever bull**** you
were fed?

Pinochio Mc****ty aka duh-Mikey McKelvy strikes again! LOL!



A little background is necessary. First, the story can be
traced to Bush strategist Karl "Turd Blossom" Rove. The
nickname is not my creation -- that's what Bush insiders
call him:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/goss...5p-45186c.html

In order to build a case against Rove, it is first necessary
to recognize that Rove has been a dirty player from the
first days of his life as a political strategist:

http://tinyurl.com/2hknu

A snippet from the biography of the illustrious Mr. Blossom:

"Rove acknowledges that, in 1970, he used a false identity
to gain entry to the campaign offices of Illinois Democrat
Alan Dixon, who was running for state treasurer. Once
inside, Rove swiped some letterhead stationery and sent out
1,000 bogus invitations to the opening of the candidate's
headquarters promising "free beer, free food, girls and a
good time for nothing."

Cute stuff, eh? Anyway, it was Rove who started the rumor
about Clinton staffers ransacking the White House and
looting Air Force One. The rumor gained immediate traction
and found its way into the headlines right away. All of the
media jumped on the bandwagon without doing much fact
checking. Predictably, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Snow, Hannity,
Coulter, Hume, et. al. got a lot of predictable mileage from
this story.

A subsequent investigation by the GSA proved none of it ever
happened. Evidence follows.

You will see, Mike, that even numbskulls like Tony Snow have
recanted. Will you do the honorable thing and do the same??

Highly unlikely that McKelvy, given his prior history, will act out of
character and recant the lies he has made on RAO.

You tried before to claim that i have a history of lies and you failed
miserably to produce anything more than your endless screeds CLAIMING it.
You're a fool.


You'fre full of **** as usual. The Google record contains a 7 year history of
false claims made by you, scumbag and sociopath. Your statements about me are
accepted and believed by nobody except perhaps, Krueger. ; So who's the fool,
Pinochio? Your credibility has been totally destroyed.

The evidence, which you refuse to believe, has been produced and is waiting
when you file your complaints against me. Go ahead, scumbag - LOL! You've
threatened to have my license revoked, so go ahead and make my day, you
worhless imbecile. I'd be delighted to have you arrested for filing false
criminal charges. You're nothing more than a despicable, sociopathic,
delusional chronic liar and hatemonger. You have neither the intelligence,
courage, nor integrity to admit that you've been lying about me for 7 years and
continue to do so. No wonder you're so widely scorned, ridiculed and hated by
so many on RAO.


His hatreds and need to
smears those with whom he disagrees far outweigh any semblance of
honorable
behavior.

Another false claim.


Proven in this post and a series of posts over a 7 year period of libel, lies,
hatemongering and mindless repetition of false claims about by professional
identity, professional activities, and background. And of course, the same
irrational behavior has been applied to a lesser extent against many other
people that this bitter hatemonger and pathological liar has chosen to smear.



Will you admit for once that you need to start looking into
things more carefully instead of getting your political
information from comic books and talk-radio morons?






-----------------------------------------

http://tinyurl.com/ytt5s

WASHINGTON -- The General Services Administration has
found that the White House vandalism flap earlier this year
was a flop.

The agency concluded that departing members of the Clinton
administration had not trashed the place during the
presidential transition, as unidentified aides to President
Bush and other critics had insisted.

Responding to a request from Rep. Bob Barr, a Georgia
Republican, who asked for an investigation, the GSA found
that nothing out of the ordinary had occurred.

"The condition of the real property was consistent with
what we would expect to encounter when tenants vacate office
space after an extended occupancy," according to a GSA
statement.


[snip]

And now GSA has made it official.

"They told me that there were papers that were not
organized lying on the floor and on desks; there were some
scratches here and there, but the bottom line was they
didn't see anything really in their view that was
significant and that would appear to some as real extensive
damage," said Bernard Unger, director for physical
infrastructure for the General Accounting Office, which
asked GSA to look into the allegations.

[snip]

As for the critics, Barr's office didn't return calls
about the GSA findings. Snow was somewhat contrite. "I'm
perfectly willing to admit my error on the aircraft," he
said, but added that he still believed his sources who told
him about damage at the White House.

--------------------------------------------

http://tinyurl.com/386bw

Typical of the media's lack of journalistic rigor when
dealing with negative Clinton stories, the Washington press
corps did not demand proof of the vandalism, such as
photographs or other hard evidence. Instead, the press
corps simply published unattributed accounts of vengeful
Democrats ransacking government property, a theme that
meshed well with Bush's public call for a restoration of
dignity in the White House.

Nearly four months later, the General Services
Administration issued a report finding no evidence that
Clinton's aides had trashed the White House. "The condition
of the real property was consistent with what we would
expect to encounter when tenants vacate office space after
an extended occupancy," the federal landlord agency said.

Unlike the front-page treatment of the allegations, the GSA
report was either buried deep in newspapers or ignored
altogether. The Washington Post ran a wire story on page A13
on May 18, 2001.

Nine days later, Jake Siewart, Clinton's last press
secretary, wrote an opinion column published in the Post's
Outlook section. "After years of watching the Washington
press corps at work, I know it's pointless to ask for
apologies," Siewart wrote. "Apparently, most of the
commentators and reporters who reported this story four
months ago have 'moved on.' Being a journalist today means
never having to say you're sorry."

Siewart contrasted the apocryphal damage to the White House
to the real damage to the reputation of Clinton aides. "The
Clinton staff, who offered the new Bush team detailed
briefing books, one-on-one meetings and personal tours to
make the transition seamless, got to go home and have their
reputations trashed by the people they had helped. All in
the name of 'changing the tone' in Washington. And the
press corps did not just sit back and watch the vandals at
work; it lent a hand." [WP, May 27, 2001]

-----------------------------------------------------


http://tinyurl.com/38sun


Remember all those stories about Bill Clinton and his
friends trashing the White House and Air Force One--you
know, the stories about torn carpets, scratched walls, and
stolen champagne flutes that seemed to affirm, with uncanny
timing, George W. Bush's promise to bring "dignity" back to
the presidency? In the week after Bush took office, CNN's
Kelly Wallace quoted unnamed administration sources
describing "trash everywhere." NBC's Andrea Mitchell,
relying on equally mysterious Bush personnel, described the
devastation of "phone lines cut, drawers filled with glue,
door locks jimmied so that arriving Bush staff got locked
inside their new offices." Other reports soon followed, none
quoting named sources. In fact, as TAP's own Joshua Micah
Marshall pointed out in Slate, the White House press corps
ran with this story "without requiring one White House
staffer to go on the record about specific vandalism or to
provide any physical evidence."

Now we know why: The Bushies--especially White House press
secretary Ari Fleischer--were lying. First, an official at
Andrews Air Force Base confirmed that nothing was missing
from Air Force One. (So where did Fox News hack Tony Snow
get his info that silverware and porcelain dishes with the
presidential seal were missing, that the presidential plane
"looked as if it had been stripped by a skilled band of
thieves--or perhaps wrecked by a trailer park twister"? Good
question.) And on May 17, the General Services
Administration reported that with regard to the White House,
aside from a few missing W's on computer keyboards and a
handmade sign labeled "Office of Strategary," the "condition
of the real property was consistent with what we would
expect to encounter when tenants vacate office space after
an extended occupancy."

The Kansas City Star and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette were
quick to report the GSA's conclusions, and a smattering of
news coverage followed. Surely CNN, NBC, and other major
media outlets will be issuing prompt and prominent retractions.

--------------------------------------------------

http://tinyurl.com/2n62r

With the exception of Fox News, none of the media outlets
that hyped this nonstory have moved aggressively in the past
week to rectify their errors. The conservative cable news
channel mentioned the vandalism story in 13 separate
programs or segments in the first week after it broke. To
its credit, Fox acknowledged on Friday -- the same day the
GAO report became public -- that there had been little
evidence to support its vandalism claims. Later "Fox News
Sunday" host Tony Snow went even further, apologizing to
former Clinton staffers for his error. "OK, I'm sorry," Snow
said on the program. "The ex-president's pals have a
legitimate beef."








Bruce J. Richman

Didn't you see that Glen thinks it not nice to quote the entire post, you
*******. :-)



If that were true, then why did you just do the same thing, Pinochio? Unlike
your hero and role model, Krueger, I'm not in the habit of deliberately
deleting text from posts in an effort to try and change their meaning or hide
what other posters have said within a thread.



Bruce J. Richman

"Glenn Zelniker" wrote in message


And you bought into it and used it as a
rhetorical ploy to make Clinton look like a thief.

Are you saying that only rhetorical ploys can make Clinton appear to be
dishonest?

Now that's a laugh, not to mention an indictment of any remaining pretenses
to rationality that you might have.

Glenn, you've managed to get to Duh-Mikey like none other - he's losing it.

Congratulations!


"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
...

"Glenn Zelniker" wrote in message
...
Michael McKelvy wrote:
Being done didn't last long.

"Glenn Zelniker" wrote in message
...

In message , Mike
McKelvy made the claim

"All other Presidents didn't steal the China form the White
House, but the Clintons did."

This may seem to be an odd point to dwell on, but here's why
I chose to:

1. It's emblematic of the tapestry of lies woven by the Bush
administration and its apparatchiks.


It has Nothing to do with teh Bush administration, it was a news item.

You dumbass. It has EVERYTHING to do with the Bushies.

Try and get this through your ****ing head, I didn't know it was anything
other than a news story. It seemed right in line with everything else
that
was known about the Clinton's lack of character or nobody would have
mentioned it at all.



Connect the dots. It WASN'T a news item until Rove and his
boys MADE IT UP. Where do you think the news item came from
if GSA, GAO, et. al. found there was nothing of substance?
Do you think the Clintons made it up? It was a smear tactic,
pure and simple. And you bought into it and used it as a
rhetorical ploy to make Clinton look like a thief.

Now own up to it.

Own up to what, that I said something I THOUGHT was true and it isn't? I
did that already.

**** you very much.

GZ

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Glenn Zelniker" wrote in message



And you bought into it and used it as a
rhetorical ploy to make Clinton look like a thief.

Are you saying that only rhetorical ploys can make Clinton appear to be
dishonest?

No. He was quite dishonest. Observe I used the word "thief."

If you follow the discussion, you'll see I was showing that
the rumor to which Mike alluded was started by the Bushies
-- odd behavior from an administration that claimed to be
built on honesty and integrity.

GZ

"Glenn Zelniker" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Glenn Zelniker" wrote in message



And you bought into it and used it as a
rhetorical ploy to make Clinton look like a thief.

Are you saying that only rhetorical ploys can make Clinton appear to
be dishonest?

No. He was quite dishonest. Observe I used the word "thief."

If you follow the discussion, you'll see I was showing that
the rumor to which Mike alluded was started by the Bushies
-- odd behavior from an administration that claimed to be
built on honesty and integrity.

OK. Glenn so let me get this straight. Clinton was "quite dishonest" but
that's OK because he wasn't actually a thief. OTOH, the Bush administration
should be voted out of office at the first chance we get because some of
their staff started rumors about the Clintonista's pilfering the capital and
Air Force 1 on their way out.

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:32:22 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Glenn Zelniker" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Glenn Zelniker" wrote in message



And you bought into it and used it as a
rhetorical ploy to make Clinton look like a thief.

Are you saying that only rhetorical ploys can make Clinton appear to
be dishonest?

No. He was quite dishonest. Observe I used the word "thief."

If you follow the discussion, you'll see I was showing that
the rumor to which Mike alluded was started by the Bushies
-- odd behavior from an administration that claimed to be
built on honesty and integrity.

OK. Glenn so let me get this straight. Clinton was "quite dishonest" but
that's OK because he wasn't actually a thief. OTOH, the Bush administration
should be voted out of office at the first chance we get because some of
their staff started rumors about the Clintonista's pilfering the capital and
Air Force 1 on their way out.

As usual, "getting it straight" was the last thing you intended by
this post.

Why isn't ayone surprised?

Also, why isn't it after tens of thousands of posts and over 50 years
of living, you *still* haven't figured out what an apostrophe is for?
Getting it correct - what a "capitol" (sic) idea!

"Sandman" wrote in message
...
Glenn, you've managed to get to Duh-Mikey like none other - he's losing
it.

Congratulations!



The only people losing it are those like you who think this petty stuff is
going to bring down the Bush Administration.

Your side has nothing better to offer, indeed at this point they are far
worse.

"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
...

"Glenn Zelniker" wrote in message
...
Michael McKelvy wrote:
Being done didn't last long.

"Glenn Zelniker" wrote in message
...

In message , Mike
McKelvy made the claim

"All other Presidents didn't steal the China form the White
House, but the Clintons did."

This may seem to be an odd point to dwell on, but here's why
I chose to:

1. It's emblematic of the tapestry of lies woven by the Bush
administration and its apparatchiks.


It has Nothing to do with teh Bush administration, it was a news
item.

You dumbass. It has EVERYTHING to do with the Bushies.

Try and get this through your ****ing head, I didn't know it was
anything
other than a news story. It seemed right in line with everything else
that
was known about the Clinton's lack of character or nobody would have
mentioned it at all.



Connect the dots. It WASN'T a news item until Rove and his
boys MADE IT UP. Where do you think the news item came from
if GSA, GAO, et. al. found there was nothing of substance?
Do you think the Clintons made it up? It was a smear tactic,
pure and simple. And you bought into it and used it as a
rhetorical ploy to make Clinton look like a thief.

Now own up to it.

Own up to what, that I said something I THOUGHT was true and it isn't?
I
did that already.

**** you very much.

GZ

"dave weil" wrote in message


Why isn't ayone surprised?

Because there is no such person as ayone?

Why is it Weil that after thousands of posts you haven't figured out that
there is such a thing as a spell-checker and that you badly need one?

"Sandman" wrote in message
...
Glenn, you've managed to get to Duh-Mikey like none other - he's losing
it.


**He's LOSING it?

I think your tenses are mixed up.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 14:58:53 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message


Why isn't ayone surprised?

Because there is no such person as ayone?

Why is it Weil that after thousands of posts you haven't figured out that
there is such a thing as a spell-checker and that you badly need one?

Why do *you* not always use one? You need it far more than *I* do.

Trevor Wilson wrote:





"Sandman" wrote in message
.. .
Glenn, you've managed to get to Duh-Mikey like none other - he's losing
it.


**He's LOSING it?

I think your tenses are mixed up.



Agreed. He's "been there, done that" a long time ago.




--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au









Bruce J. Richman

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Glenn Zelniker" wrote in message


Arny Krueger wrote:

"Glenn Zelniker" wrote in message




And you bought into it and used it as a
rhetorical ploy to make Clinton look like a thief.

Are you saying that only rhetorical ploys can make Clinton appear to
be dishonest?

No. He was quite dishonest. Observe I used the word "thief."

If you follow the discussion, you'll see I was showing that
the rumor to which Mike alluded was started by the Bushies
-- odd behavior from an administration that claimed to be
built on honesty and integrity.


OK. Glenn so let me get this straight. Clinton was "quite dishonest" but
that's OK because he wasn't actually a thief.

No, and quit putting words in my mouth. Clinton was NOT OK
and I don't like him.

OTOH, the Bush administration
should be voted out of office at the first chance we get because some of
their staff started rumors about the Clintonista's pilfering the capital and
Air Force 1 on their way out.

Again, no. This transgression ranks way at the bottom of the
despicable, evil things they've done. If you paid attention
you would notice I've listed a litany of offenses.

I suspect you understand this, though, and you're just
trying to settle some old scores with me. Drop it, OK?

GZ

"Glenn Zelniker" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Glenn Zelniker" wrote in message


Arny Krueger wrote:

"Glenn Zelniker" wrote in message




And you bought into it and used it as a
rhetorical ploy to make Clinton look like a thief.

Are you saying that only rhetorical ploys can make Clinton appear
to be dishonest?

No. He was quite dishonest. Observe I used the word "thief."

If you follow the discussion, you'll see I was showing that
the rumor to which Mike alluded was started by the Bushies
-- odd behavior from an administration that claimed to be
built on honesty and integrity.


OK. Glenn so let me get this straight. Clinton was "quite dishonest"
but that's OK because he wasn't actually a thief.

No, and quit putting words in my mouth. Clinton was NOT OK
and I don't like him.

So you voted against him both presidential elections?

OTOH, the Bush administration
should be voted out of office at the first chance we get because
some of their staff started rumors about the Clintonista's pilfering
the capital and Air Force 1 on their way out.

Again, no. This transgression ranks way at the bottom of the
despicable, evil things they've done. If you paid attention
you would notice I've listed a litany of offenses.

Litany is a good word Zelniker - it usually is used in a religious context,
right? Obviously, you've got a Holy war going against the Bush family.

I suspect you understand this, though, and you're just
trying to settle some old scores with me. Drop it, OK?

Zelniker, I'll start treating you with respect when you start showing some
evidence of maturing and rational thought.

Le Artiste said:

Why isn't ayone surprised?

Because there is no such person as ayone?

Why is it Weil that after thousands of posts you haven't figured out that
there is such a thing as a spell-checker and that you badly need one?

Why do *you* not always use one? You need it far more than *I* do.

If he had used one, he would have quickly realized that "ayone" was a
mispelling of "anyone".

And if *you* had used one, you'd realize that there's no word like
"mispelling"........


*grin*

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:23:08 +0100, Sander deWaal
wrote:

Le Artiste said:

Why isn't ayone surprised?

Because there is no such person as ayone?

Why is it Weil that after thousands of posts you haven't figured out that
there is such a thing as a spell-checker and that you badly need one?

Why do *you* not always use one? You need it far more than *I* do.

If he had used one, he would have quickly realized that "ayone" was a
mispelling of "anyone".

And if *you* had used one, you'd realize that there's no word like
"mispelling"........


*grin*

I thought I'd let someone *else* bring that up...ironic that it's a
non-native English speaker from the Low Countries chuckle

Le Artiste wrote in message
:
"Sander deWaal" emitted :

Why isn't ayone surprised?

Because there is no such person as ayone?

Why is it Weil that after thousands of posts you haven't figured out that
there is such a thing as a spell-checker and that you badly need one?

Why do *you* not always use one? You need it far more than *I* do.

If he had used one, he would have quickly realized that "ayone" was a
mispelling of "anyone".

And if *you* had used one, you'd realize that there's no word like
"mispelling"........


*grin*

D'oh! :-)

I did use the spelling checker *after* I sent the post, but I guess
Agent doesn't look at quoted material.

As if your able to use a spell checker like an adult who'se able to
gain respect by drawing the wrong conclusions from Usenet political
discussions in the dark, mr. Dormer .

My toilet is blocked with admissions like your's, mr. Dormer. nOt ;-(

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
...
Michael McKelvy wrote:


"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
...
Glenn Zelniker wrote:


In message , Mike
McKelvy made the claim

"All other Presidents didn't steal the China form the White
House, but the Clintons did."


Really? The whole country? or just part of it?

Is it possible that McKelvy is related to Emily Litella?


This may seem to be an odd point to dwell on, but here's why
I chose to:

1. It's emblematic of the tapestry of lies woven by the Bush
administration and its apparatchiks. Remember, this
administration presented itself as one built on fundamental
honesty and integrity and promised to change the tone of
politics in the US. The claims they made that the exiting
Clintonites ransacked Air Force One and the White House were
among their earliest salvos in their systematic campaign of
deception and disinformation.


If true, that would explain McKelvy's admiration for them. He's always
(at
least on RAO) been eager to their emulate their behavior. Deception
and
disinformation have certainly been a significant part of his 7 year
smear
campaign directed against various RAO posters.


There you go again, lying.


Bull****. Nothing in this thread that I have said about you is a lie.
Your
record of character assassination, and blatant lies about me are a matter
of
Google record. Your lies have been thoroughly discredited, scumbag.



2. Mike McKelvy has elected to cling to this belief, despite
the fact that is demonstrably false and has been discounted
by even his beloved right-wing media.


Yo, Quackenbush! I never heard the followup or I'd never have said what
I
did.


The pathological liar, duh-Mikey, draggfing his neanderthal knuckles as
usual,
simply repeats his hatemongering fre. liberals, Democrats, numerous
political
issues, and of course, all RAO posters that he hates. This piece of ****
is a
lying slanderer whose RAO behavior speaks for itself.

No doubt McKelvy will no state either (a) "It's my opinion", or (b) "I
don't
care anymore". Even when he has been convincingly and completely
discredited
and disproven re. some of his false claims on RAO, he has continued to
repeat
and/or justify them.

The fact that you keep saying this doesn't make it true.



Where';s your proof that anything I've said about my professional identity
is
false, you wothless piece of ****?

The only thing that has been repeated ad
nauseam that has been proven to be false, are your despicable and
laughable
attempts to repeat your libelous bull**** about me on RAO. Just as you've
tried to repeat stories made up to smear Cliniton, you salivated like the
sick
sociopath we kinow you to be when you were allegedly presented with some
bull**** by an anonymous email poster whom you never met. Needless to
say, if
such a person even existed - whch is doubtful - he could have published
whatever "facts" he had here. But why should he or she when he had a
robotic,
slander-spreading, hatemongering fool like you to mouth whatever bull****
you
were fed?

Pinochio Mc****ty aka duh-Mikey McKelvy strikes again! LOL!



A little background is necessary. First, the story can be
traced to Bush strategist Karl "Turd Blossom" Rove. The
nickname is not my creation -- that's what Bush insiders
call him:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/goss...5p-45186c.html

In order to build a case against Rove, it is first necessary
to recognize that Rove has been a dirty player from the
first days of his life as a political strategist:

http://tinyurl.com/2hknu

A snippet from the biography of the illustrious Mr. Blossom:

"Rove acknowledges that, in 1970, he used a false identity
to gain entry to the campaign offices of Illinois Democrat
Alan Dixon, who was running for state treasurer. Once
inside, Rove swiped some letterhead stationery and sent out
1,000 bogus invitations to the opening of the candidate's
headquarters promising "free beer, free food, girls and a
good time for nothing."

Cute stuff, eh? Anyway, it was Rove who started the rumor
about Clinton staffers ransacking the White House and
looting Air Force One. The rumor gained immediate traction
and found its way into the headlines right away. All of the
media jumped on the bandwagon without doing much fact
checking. Predictably, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Snow, Hannity,
Coulter, Hume, et. al. got a lot of predictable mileage from
this story.

A subsequent investigation by the GSA proved none of it ever
happened. Evidence follows.

You will see, Mike, that even numbskulls like Tony Snow have
recanted. Will you do the honorable thing and do the same??

Highly unlikely that McKelvy, given his prior history, will act out of
character and recant the lies he has made on RAO.

You tried before to claim that i have a history of lies and you failed
miserably to produce anything more than your endless screeds CLAIMING it.
You're a fool.


You'fre full of **** as usual. The Google record contains a 7 year
history of
false claims made by you, scumbag and sociopath. Your statements about me
are
accepted and believed by nobody except perhaps, Krueger. ; So who's the
fool,
Pinochio? Your credibility has been totally destroyed.

The evidence, which you refuse to believe, has been produced and is
waiting
when you file your complaints against me. Go ahead, scumbag - LOL!
You've
threatened to have my license revoked, so go ahead and make my day, you
worhless imbecile. I'd be delighted to have you arrested for filing false
criminal charges. You're nothing more than a despicable, sociopathic,
delusional chronic liar and hatemonger. You have neither the
intelligence,
courage, nor integrity to admit that you've been lying about me for 7
years and
continue to do so. No wonder you're so widely scorned, ridiculed and
hated by
so many on RAO.


His hatreds and need to
smears those with whom he disagrees far outweigh any semblance of
honorable
behavior.

Another false claim.


Proven in this post and a series of posts over a 7 year period of libel,
lies,
hatemongering and mindless repetition of false claims about by
professional
identity, professional activities, and background. And of course, the
same
irrational behavior has been applied to a lesser extent against many other
people that this bitter hatemonger and pathological liar has chosen to
smear.



Will you admit for once that you need to start looking into
things more carefully instead of getting your political
information from comic books and talk-radio morons?






-----------------------------------------

http://tinyurl.com/ytt5s

WASHINGTON -- The General Services Administration has
found that the White House vandalism flap earlier this year
was a flop.

The agency concluded that departing members of the Clinton
administration had not trashed the place during the
presidential transition, as unidentified aides to President
Bush and other critics had insisted.

Responding to a request from Rep. Bob Barr, a Georgia
Republican, who asked for an investigation, the GSA found
that nothing out of the ordinary had occurred.

"The condition of the real property was consistent with
what we would expect to encounter when tenants vacate office
space after an extended occupancy," according to a GSA
statement.


[snip]

And now GSA has made it official.

"They told me that there were papers that were not
organized lying on the floor and on desks; there were some
scratches here and there, but the bottom line was they
didn't see anything really in their view that was
significant and that would appear to some as real extensive
damage," said Bernard Unger, director for physical
infrastructure for the General Accounting Office, which
asked GSA to look into the allegations.

[snip]

As for the critics, Barr's office didn't return calls
about the GSA findings. Snow was somewhat contrite. "I'm
perfectly willing to admit my error on the aircraft," he
said, but added that he still believed his sources who told
him about damage at the White House.

--------------------------------------------

http://tinyurl.com/386bw

Typical of the media's lack of journalistic rigor when
dealing with negative Clinton stories, the Washington press
corps did not demand proof of the vandalism, such as
photographs or other hard evidence. Instead, the press
corps simply published unattributed accounts of vengeful
Democrats ransacking government property, a theme that
meshed well with Bush's public call for a restoration of
dignity in the White House.

Nearly four months later, the General Services
Administration issued a report finding no evidence that
Clinton's aides had trashed the White House. "The condition
of the real property was consistent with what we would
expect to encounter when tenants vacate office space after
an extended occupancy," the federal landlord agency said.

Unlike the front-page treatment of the allegations, the GSA
report was either buried deep in newspapers or ignored
altogether. The Washington Post ran a wire story on page A13
on May 18, 2001.

Nine days later, Jake Siewart, Clinton's last press
secretary, wrote an opinion column published in the Post's
Outlook section. "After years of watching the Washington
press corps at work, I know it's pointless to ask for
apologies," Siewart wrote. "Apparently, most of the
commentators and reporters who reported this story four
months ago have 'moved on.' Being a journalist today means
never having to say you're sorry."

Siewart contrasted the apocryphal damage to the White House
to the real damage to the reputation of Clinton aides. "The
Clinton staff, who offered the new Bush team detailed
briefing books, one-on-one meetings and personal tours to
make the transition seamless, got to go home and have their
reputations trashed by the people they had helped. All in
the name of 'changing the tone' in Washington. And the
press corps did not just sit back and watch the vandals at
work; it lent a hand." [WP, May 27, 2001]

-----------------------------------------------------


http://tinyurl.com/38sun


Remember all those stories about Bill Clinton and his
friends trashing the White House and Air Force One--you
know, the stories about torn carpets, scratched walls, and
stolen champagne flutes that seemed to affirm, with uncanny
timing, George W. Bush's promise to bring "dignity" back to
the presidency? In the week after Bush took office, CNN's
Kelly Wallace quoted unnamed administration sources
describing "trash everywhere." NBC's Andrea Mitchell,
relying on equally mysterious Bush personnel, described the
devastation of "phone lines cut, drawers filled with glue,
door locks jimmied so that arriving Bush staff got locked
inside their new offices." Other reports soon followed, none
quoting named sources. In fact, as TAP's own Joshua Micah
Marshall pointed out in Slate, the White House press corps
ran with this story "without requiring one White House
staffer to go on the record about specific vandalism or to
provide any physical evidence."

Now we know why: The Bushies--especially White House press
secretary Ari Fleischer--were lying. First, an official at
Andrews Air Force Base confirmed that nothing was missing
from Air Force One. (So where did Fox News hack Tony Snow
get his info that silverware and porcelain dishes with the
presidential seal were missing, that the presidential plane
"looked as if it had been stripped by a skilled band of
thieves--or perhaps wrecked by a trailer park twister"? Good
question.) And on May 17, the General Services
Administration reported that with regard to the White House,
aside from a few missing W's on computer keyboards and a
handmade sign labeled "Office of Strategary," the "condition
of the real property was consistent with what we would
expect to encounter when tenants vacate office space after
an extended occupancy."

The Kansas City Star and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette were
quick to report the GSA's conclusions, and a smattering of
news coverage followed. Surely CNN, NBC, and other major
media outlets will be issuing prompt and prominent retractions.

--------------------------------------------------

http://tinyurl.com/2n62r

With the exception of Fox News, none of the media outlets
that hyped this nonstory have moved aggressively in the past
week to rectify their errors. The conservative cable news
channel mentioned the vandalism story in 13 separate
programs or segments in the first week after it broke. To
its credit, Fox acknowledged on Friday -- the same day the
GAO report became public -- that there had been little
evidence to support its vandalism claims. Later "Fox News
Sunday" host Tony Snow went even further, apologizing to
former Clinton staffers for his error. "OK, I'm sorry," Snow
said on the program. "The ex-president's pals have a
legitimate beef."








Bruce J. Richman

Didn't you see that Glen thinks it not nice to quote the entire post, you
*******. :-)



If that were true, then why did you just do the same thing, Pinochio?

To make a point, dip****.

Unlike
your hero and role model, Krueger, I'm not in the habit of deliberately
deleting text from posts in an effort to try and change their meaning or
hide
what other posters have said within a thread.


No, you just try to bore people to death.
ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Bruce J. Richman

Mike McKelvy lies again:


"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
...
Michael McKelvy wrote:


"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
...
Glenn Zelniker wrote:


In message , Mike
McKelvy made the claim

"All other Presidents didn't steal the China form the White
House, but the Clintons did."


Really? The whole country? or just part of it?

Is it possible that McKelvy is related to Emily Litella?


This may seem to be an odd point to dwell on, but here's why
I chose to:

1. It's emblematic of the tapestry of lies woven by the Bush
administration and its apparatchiks. Remember, this
administration presented itself as one built on fundamental
honesty and integrity and promised to change the tone of
politics in the US. The claims they made that the exiting
Clintonites ransacked Air Force One and the White House were
among their earliest salvos in their systematic campaign of
deception and disinformation.


If true, that would explain McKelvy's admiration for them. He's always
(at
least on RAO) been eager to their emulate their behavior. Deception
and
disinformation have certainly been a significant part of his 7 year
smear
campaign directed against various RAO posters.


There you go again, lying.


Bull****. Nothing in this thread that I have said about you is a lie.
Your
record of character assassination, and blatant lies about me are a matter
of
Google record. Your lies have been thoroughly discredited, scumbag.



2. Mike McKelvy has elected to cling to this belief, despite
the fact that is demonstrably false and has been discounted
by even his beloved right-wing media.


Yo, Quackenbush! I never heard the followup or I'd never have said what
I
did.


The pathological liar, duh-Mikey, draggfing his neanderthal knuckles as
usual,
simply repeats his hatemongering fre. liberals, Democrats, numerous
political
issues, and of course, all RAO posters that he hates. This piece of ****
is a
lying slanderer whose RAO behavior speaks for itself.

No doubt McKelvy will no state either (a) "It's my opinion", or (b) "I
don't
care anymore". Even when he has been convincingly and completely
discredited
and disproven re. some of his false claims on RAO, he has continued to
repeat
and/or justify them.

The fact that you keep saying this doesn't make it true.



Where';s your proof that anything I've said about my professional identity
is
false, you wothless piece of ****?

The only thing that has been repeated ad
nauseam that has been proven to be false, are your despicable and
laughable
attempts to repeat your libelous bull**** about me on RAO. Just as you've
tried to repeat stories made up to smear Cliniton, you salivated like the
sick
sociopath we kinow you to be when you were allegedly presented with some
bull**** by an anonymous email poster whom you never met. Needless to
say, if
such a person even existed - whch is doubtful - he could have published
whatever "facts" he had here. But why should he or she when he had a
robotic,
slander-spreading, hatemongering fool like you to mouth whatever bull****
you
were fed?

Pinochio Mc****ty aka duh-Mikey McKelvy strikes again! LOL!



A little background is necessary. First, the story can be
traced to Bush strategist Karl "Turd Blossom" Rove. The
nickname is not my creation -- that's what Bush insiders
call him:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/goss...5p-45186c.html

In order to build a case against Rove, it is first necessary
to recognize that Rove has been a dirty player from the
first days of his life as a political strategist:

http://tinyurl.com/2hknu

A snippet from the biography of the illustrious Mr. Blossom:

"Rove acknowledges that, in 1970, he used a false identity
to gain entry to the campaign offices of Illinois Democrat
Alan Dixon, who was running for state treasurer. Once
inside, Rove swiped some letterhead stationery and sent out
1,000 bogus invitations to the opening of the candidate's
headquarters promising "free beer, free food, girls and a
good time for nothing."

Cute stuff, eh? Anyway, it was Rove who started the rumor
about Clinton staffers ransacking the White House and
looting Air Force One. The rumor gained immediate traction
and found its way into the headlines right away. All of the
media jumped on the bandwagon without doing much fact
checking. Predictably, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Snow, Hannity,
Coulter, Hume, et. al. got a lot of predictable mileage from
this story.

A subsequent investigation by the GSA proved none of it ever
happened. Evidence follows.

You will see, Mike, that even numbskulls like Tony Snow have
recanted. Will you do the honorable thing and do the same??

Highly unlikely that McKelvy, given his prior history, will act out of
character and recant the lies he has made on RAO.

You tried before to claim that i have a history of lies and you failed
miserably to produce anything more than your endless screeds CLAIMING it.
You're a fool.


You'fre full of **** as usual. The Google record contains a 7 year
history of
false claims made by you, scumbag and sociopath. Your statements about me
are
accepted and believed by nobody except perhaps, Krueger. ; So who's the
fool,
Pinochio? Your credibility has been totally destroyed.

The evidence, which you refuse to believe, has been produced and is
waiting
when you file your complaints against me. Go ahead, scumbag - LOL!
You've
threatened to have my license revoked, so go ahead and make my day, you
worhless imbecile. I'd be delighted to have you arrested for filing false
criminal charges. You're nothing more than a despicable, sociopathic,
delusional chronic liar and hatemonger. You have neither the
intelligence,
courage, nor integrity to admit that you've been lying about me for 7
years and
continue to do so. No wonder you're so widely scorned, ridiculed and
hated by
so many on RAO.


His hatreds and need to
smears those with whom he disagrees far outweigh any semblance of
honorable
behavior.

Another false claim.


Proven in this post and a series of posts over a 7 year period of libel,
lies,
hatemongering and mindless repetition of false claims about by
professional
identity, professional activities, and background. And of course, the
same
irrational behavior has been applied to a lesser extent against many other
people that this bitter hatemonger and pathological liar has chosen to
smear.



Will you admit for once that you need to start looking into
things more carefully instead of getting your political
information from comic books and talk-radio morons?






-----------------------------------------

http://tinyurl.com/ytt5s

WASHINGTON -- The General Services Administration has
found that the White House vandalism flap earlier this year
was a flop.

The agency concluded that departing members of the Clinton
administration had not trashed the place during the
presidential transition, as unidentified aides to President
Bush and other critics had insisted.

Responding to a request from Rep. Bob Barr, a Georgia
Republican, who asked for an investigation, the GSA found
that nothing out of the ordinary had occurred.

"The condition of the real property was consistent with
what we would expect to encounter when tenants vacate office
space after an extended occupancy," according to a GSA
statement.


[snip]

And now GSA has made it official.

"They told me that there were papers that were not
organized lying on the floor and on desks; there were some
scratches here and there, but the bottom line was they
didn't see anything really in their view that was
significant and that would appear to some as real extensive
damage," said Bernard Unger, director for physical
infrastructure for the General Accounting Office, which
asked GSA to look into the allegations.

[snip]

As for the critics, Barr's office didn't return calls
about the GSA findings. Snow was somewhat contrite. "I'm
perfectly willing to admit my error on the aircraft," he
said, but added that he still believed his sources who told
him about damage at the White House.

--------------------------------------------

http://tinyurl.com/386bw

Typical of the media's lack of journalistic rigor when
dealing with negative Clinton stories, the Washington press
corps did not demand proof of the vandalism, such as
photographs or other hard evidence. Instead, the press
corps simply published unattributed accounts of vengeful
Democrats ransacking government property, a theme that
meshed well with Bush's public call for a restoration of
dignity in the White House.

Nearly four months later, the General Services
Administration issued a report finding no evidence that
Clinton's aides had trashed the White House. "The condition
of the real property was consistent with what we would
expect to encounter when tenants vacate office space after
an extended occupancy," the federal landlord agency said.

Unlike the front-page treatment of the allegations, the GSA
report was either buried deep in newspapers or ignored
altogether. The Washington Post ran a wire story on page A13
on May 18, 2001.

Nine days later, Jake Siewart, Clinton's last press
secretary, wrote an opinion column published in the Post's
Outlook section. "After years of watching the Washington
press corps at work, I know it's pointless to ask for
apologies," Siewart wrote. "Apparently, most of the
commentators and reporters who reported this story four
months ago have 'moved on.' Being a journalist today means
never having to say you're sorry."

Siewart contrasted the apocryphal damage to the White House
to the real damage to the reputation of Clinton aides. "The
Clinton staff, who offered the new Bush team detailed
briefing books, one-on-one meetings and personal tours to
make the transition seamless, got to go home and have their
reputations trashed by the people they had helped. All in
the name of 'changing the tone' in Washington. And the
press corps did not just sit back and watch the vandals at
work; it lent a hand." [WP, May 27, 2001]

-----------------------------------------------------


http://tinyurl.com/38sun


Remember all those stories about Bill Clinton and his
friends trashing the White House and Air Force One--you
know, the stories about torn carpets, scratched walls, and
stolen champagne flutes that seemed to affirm, with uncanny
timing, George W. Bush's promise to bring "dignity" back to
the presidency? In the week after Bush took office, CNN's
Kelly Wallace quoted unnamed administration sources
describing "trash everywhere." NBC's Andrea Mitchell,
relying on equally mysterious Bush personnel, described the
devastation of "phone lines cut, drawers filled with glue,
door locks jimmied so that arriving Bush staff got locked
inside their new offices." Other reports soon followed, none
quoting named sources. In fact, as TAP's own Joshua Micah
Marshall pointed out in Slate, the White House press corps
ran with this story "without requiring one White House
staffer to go on the record about specific vandalism or to
provide any physical evidence."

Now we know why: The Bushies--especially White House press
secretary Ari Fleischer--were lying. First, an official at
Andrews Air Force Base confirmed that nothing was missing
from Air Force One. (So where did Fox News hack Tony Snow
get his info that silverware and porcelain dishes with the
presidential seal were missing, that the presidential plane
"looked as if it had been stripped by a skilled band of
thieves--or perhaps wrecked by a trailer park twister"? Good
question.) And on May 17, the General Services
Administration reported that with regard to the White House,
aside from a few missing W's on computer keyboards and a
handmade sign labeled "Office of Strategary," the "condition
of the real property was consistent with what we would
expect to encounter when tenants vacate office space after
an extended occupancy."

The Kansas City Star and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette were
quick to report the GSA's conclusions, and a smattering of
news coverage followed. Surely CNN, NBC, and other major
media outlets will be issuing prompt and prominent retractions.

--------------------------------------------------

http://tinyurl.com/2n62r

With the exception of Fox News, none of the media outlets
that hyped this nonstory have moved aggressively in the past
week to rectify their errors. The conservative cable news
channel mentioned the vandalism story in 13 separate
programs or segments in the first week after it broke. To
its credit, Fox acknowledged on Friday -- the same day the
GAO report became public -- that there had been little
evidence to support its vandalism claims. Later "Fox News
Sunday" host Tony Snow went even further, apologizing to
former Clinton staffers for his error. "OK, I'm sorry," Snow
said on the program. "The ex-president's pals have a
legitimate beef."








Bruce J. Richman

Didn't you see that Glen thinks it not nice to quote the entire post, you
*******. :-)



If that were true, then why did you just do the same thing, Pinochio?

To make a point, dip****.


Another lie, Pinochio Mc****ty. You did it because you were just exposed as
trying to imitate your hero and role model Krueger in the deliberate deletion
of relevant content from posts that discredit your bull****.



Unlike
your hero and role model, Krueger, I'm not in the habit of deliberately
deleting text from posts in an effort to try and change their meaning or
hide
what other posters have said within a thread.


No, you just try to bore people to death.
ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz.


Prove it, Pinochio. You've been trying to peddle your lies and libelous
bull**** for 7 years, and what has it got you? Don't bother to answer,
scumbag. The ridicule, scorn and total lack of respect you've earned from most
RAO posters that have responded to your routine defecations on RAO have
indicated that.

You're the laughing stock of RAO! Live with it.

LOL!








Bruce J. Richman














Bruce J. Richman

From: Glenn Zelniker
Date: 2/21/04 3:59 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Glenn Zelniker" wrote in message


Arny Krueger wrote:

"Glenn Zelniker" wrote in message




And you bought into it and used it as a
rhetorical ploy to make Clinton look like a thief.

Are you saying that only rhetorical ploys can make Clinton appear to
be dishonest?

No. He was quite dishonest. Observe I used the word "thief."

If you follow the discussion, you'll see I was showing that
the rumor to which Mike alluded was started by the Bushies
-- odd behavior from an administration that claimed to be
built on honesty and integrity.


OK. Glenn so let me get this straight. Clinton was "quite dishonest" but
that's OK because he wasn't actually a thief.

No, and quit putting words in my mouth. Clinton was NOT OK
and I don't like him.

OTOH, the Bush administration
should be voted out of office at the first chance we get because some of
their staff started rumors about the Clintonista's pilfering the capital
and
Air Force 1 on their way out.

Again, no. This transgression ranks way at the bottom of the
despicable, evil things they've done. If you paid attention
you would notice I've listed a litany of offenses.

I suspect you understand this, though, and you're just
trying to settle some old scores with me. Drop it, OK?

GZ



What a *******, he's using Weil tactics on you.