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Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: X-Abuse-Info: Please forward a copy of all headers for proper handling X-Trace: npbhgpngjbkmjfegdbdpiflmbcekedmfhojhikkbagflhcbopj mhealhlpkijinghboeneagdmedomkfnnbnaeikkmopibnoppai mpifmkcegckdlfaadapnafnjdhgddkdohcfobafkocngofiidm jelinikifa NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:11:03 EDT Organization: BellSouth Internet Group Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:11:03 GMT Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com rec.audio.pro:1074670 On 2004-05-27 ospam(WillStG) said: Will's right, there are such safeguards, but the big guns can work around such minor details as the rules and regs. I didn't say that Capitalism doesn't still have problems or that abuses of the system don't exist. I said 19th century and 21st Century capitlaism are different - and this is true. And public ownership of large companies - the "Democratization" of capital - puts the lie to much of what Marx and Engels predicted. In any event the problems of our economic system in no way prove that any other system - or having no system at all - is a better way. Again, merely criticizing something doesn't mean you have a solution or anything better at all to offer. That there were people stupid enough to think different only led to genocide, mass murder and totalitarianism; under the Nazis, under the Fascists, and under the banner of Marxist revolution. For all it's problems Capitalism still works best as an economic model, socialism has even more problems then Captalism does but at least it's a functional system. Unlike Marxist economics which has been proven to be total bull**** in theory and in practice. True enough. I studied all the different theories when I was younger. I always figured that understanding the so-called enemy was the first thing one should do. Since I've come to basically the same conclusions as a young man I became a libertarian. tO me it's about leveling the playing field. The so-called regulators can only be bought off by those who have the dough, as in "he who has the gold makes the rules." THerefore, less intrusion by government into my business bedroom and elsewhere is always preferred. Richard Webb Electric Spider Productions REplace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real email -- |
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Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: X-Abuse-Info: Please forward a copy of all headers for proper handling X-Trace: npbhgpngjbkmjfegdbdpiflmbcekedmfhojhikkbagflhcbopj mhealhlpkijinghboeneagdmedomkfnnbnaeikkmopibnoppai mpifmkcegckdlfaadapnafnjdhgddkdohcfobafkocngofiidm jelinikifa NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:11:03 EDT Organization: BellSouth Internet Group Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:11:03 GMT Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com rec.audio.pro:1074670 On 2004-05-27 ospam(WillStG) said: Will's right, there are such safeguards, but the big guns can work around such minor details as the rules and regs. I didn't say that Capitalism doesn't still have problems or that abuses of the system don't exist. I said 19th century and 21st Century capitlaism are different - and this is true. And public ownership of large companies - the "Democratization" of capital - puts the lie to much of what Marx and Engels predicted. In any event the problems of our economic system in no way prove that any other system - or having no system at all - is a better way. Again, merely criticizing something doesn't mean you have a solution or anything better at all to offer. That there were people stupid enough to think different only led to genocide, mass murder and totalitarianism; under the Nazis, under the Fascists, and under the banner of Marxist revolution. For all it's problems Capitalism still works best as an economic model, socialism has even more problems then Captalism does but at least it's a functional system. Unlike Marxist economics which has been proven to be total bull**** in theory and in practice. True enough. I studied all the different theories when I was younger. I always figured that understanding the so-called enemy was the first thing one should do. Since I've come to basically the same conclusions as a young man I became a libertarian. tO me it's about leveling the playing field. The so-called regulators can only be bought off by those who have the dough, as in "he who has the gold makes the rules." THerefore, less intrusion by government into my business bedroom and elsewhere is always preferred. Richard Webb Electric Spider Productions REplace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real email -- |
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Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: X-Abuse-Info: Please forward a copy of all headers for proper handling X-Trace: pcpocbcnbdmdhgfgdbdpiflmbcekedmfhojhikkbagflhcboib cljcfbebbabkiialcpdfdfhdacgfjahdmjjnljdebdakfefgjf poddkedbldknhpaioafcakhcemfiochpbembmcnfhhecpafgfa aiineaepkk NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 14:12:09 EDT Organization: BellSouth Internet Group Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 18:12:09 GMT Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com rec.audio.pro:1075685 On 2004-05-31 ospam(WillStG) said: I find nothing wrong with being religious, just something wrong with HAVING religion, particularly religion that allows one to specify that others are wrong, or others are so different that they don't deserve the grace of god. If one places the onus on me to be religious based on their precepts, then either I'm going to hell with their help, or I'm simply a man that has my own ideas about what religion consists of, and I have my own method of meeting my god. Am I religious? Well if you are meeting God personally it doesn't really matter much what people say about your faith, does it? What others think only matters when you are looking for approval, or if you beleive a relationship with a particular person or institution is needed for personal growth or to gain God's approval. Why does it matter to you what "The Church" has to say if you're sure of where you stand with the Allmighty? I mean it ain't Protestantism unless you can start your own denomination. Hey, you're giving a sermon right here, ain't ya? You'll fit right in. And there you have the crux of the biscuit. I choose to believe there is a god, even though I was raised as a Christian (united church of Christ) I looked into some of the others. I left it all at one point but came back to it. I do believe that if I'm right and God exists he doesn't care so much about how you genuflected in the presence of other humans. HIs real concern is what you did with the talents and abilities you were endowed with while you were alive. Regards, Richard Webb Electric Spider Productions REplace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real email -- It is easier to preach ten sermons than it is to live one. |
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Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: X-Abuse-Info: Please forward a copy of all headers for proper handling X-Trace: pcpocbcnbdmdhgfgdbdpiflmbcekedmfhojhikkbagflhcboib cljcfbebbabkiialcpdfdfhdacgfjahdmjjnljdebdakfefgjf poddkedbldknhpaioafcakhcemfiochpbembmcnfhhecpafgfa aiineaepkk NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 14:12:09 EDT Organization: BellSouth Internet Group Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 18:12:09 GMT Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com rec.audio.pro:1075685 On 2004-05-31 ospam(WillStG) said: I find nothing wrong with being religious, just something wrong with HAVING religion, particularly religion that allows one to specify that others are wrong, or others are so different that they don't deserve the grace of god. If one places the onus on me to be religious based on their precepts, then either I'm going to hell with their help, or I'm simply a man that has my own ideas about what religion consists of, and I have my own method of meeting my god. Am I religious? Well if you are meeting God personally it doesn't really matter much what people say about your faith, does it? What others think only matters when you are looking for approval, or if you beleive a relationship with a particular person or institution is needed for personal growth or to gain God's approval. Why does it matter to you what "The Church" has to say if you're sure of where you stand with the Allmighty? I mean it ain't Protestantism unless you can start your own denomination. Hey, you're giving a sermon right here, ain't ya? You'll fit right in. And there you have the crux of the biscuit. I choose to believe there is a god, even though I was raised as a Christian (united church of Christ) I looked into some of the others. I left it all at one point but came back to it. I do believe that if I'm right and God exists he doesn't care so much about how you genuflected in the presence of other humans. HIs real concern is what you did with the talents and abilities you were endowed with while you were alive. Regards, Richard Webb Electric Spider Productions REplace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real email -- It is easier to preach ten sermons than it is to live one. |
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