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Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers:
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On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:20:48 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY please post. You have warrantees to cover this sort of thing. Why did you buy a second one? Cool effect, by the way. d |
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On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY please post. I bought the 1st one USED. Problem appears at random times for no apparent reason. I though it was bad unit, so I got the second one BRAND NEW! Surprise! Exactly the SAME PROBLEM AGAIN. |
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![]() wrote in message ... On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote: Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY please post. I bought the 1st one USED. Problem appears at random times for no apparent reason. I though it was bad unit, so I got the second one BRAND NEW! Surprise! Exactly the SAME PROBLEM AGAIN. So send it back, you'll get a new one, it is under warranty. 3 years, I believe, if you can be bothered to register it. What exactly is your problem? Gareth. |
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On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY please post. Look at the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY It is 100% design flaw. There is nothing any bench technician can do unless the FX chip or entire motherboard is upgraded. I emailed Behringer about upgrade and got only auto-response. |
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Exactly the same problem in 3 different units? Because of bad solder joint?
All bought far apart in time! Far out! I have 2 of them: RX1202FX (Serial # N1000158486, Date Code 1001) RX1202FX (Serial # S1006617486, Date Code 1012) with EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM! No pots or sliders or switches on the unit have ANY EFFECT ON THE PROBLEM (tried every single one 100x). Only FX master knob even on min volume (And master volume slider, of course). Stores do not stock them and trying one in the store won't work since the problem appears intermittently for no apparent reason. On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote: Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY please post. |
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skrev i en meddelelse
... Exactly the same problem in 3 different units? Because of bad solder joint? All bought far apart in time! Far out! I have 2 of them: RX1202FX (Serial # N1000158486, Date Code 1001) RX1202FX (Serial # S1006617486, Date Code 1012) with EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM! No pots or sliders or switches on the unit have ANY EFFECT ON THE PROBLEM (tried every single one 100x). Only FX master knob even on min volume (And master volume slider, of course). Stores do not stock them and trying one in the store won't work since the problem appears intermittently for no apparent reason. Send in for warranty repair then or return for a refund and move on in your life. Kind regards Peter Larsen On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote: Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY please post. |
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On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 07:26:19 +0100 "Peter Larsen"
wrote in article skrev i en meddelelse ... Exactly the same problem in 3 different units? Because of bad solder joint? All bought far apart in time! Far out! I have 2 of them: RX1202FX (Serial # N1000158486, Date Code 1001) RX1202FX (Serial # S1006617486, Date Code 1012) with EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM! No pots or sliders or switches on the unit have ANY EFFECT ON THE PROBLEM (tried every single one 100x). Only FX master knob even on min volume (And master volume slider, of course). Stores do not stock them and trying one in the store won't work since the problem appears intermittently for no apparent reason. Send in for warranty repair then or return for a refund and move on in your life. Kind regards Peter Larsen On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote: Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY please post. I took a look at the YouTube video. There's a recent (4 hours old) comment from a user "berhinger" promising help. |
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On 7/28/2013 10:43 PM, wrote:
Exactly the same problem in 3 different units? Because of bad solder joint? All bought far apart in time! Three of them? Software isn't intermittent. There must be a problem that can be fixed, but it may be a production problem that can only be fixed at the factory or an official service center (if there are any). Sometimes it takes a little digging in order to find out how to get a faulty product repaired. Do you have one that's under warranty? That's the one that you should have fixed, but you have to initiate the warranty repair. It may take a phone call. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
On 7/28/2013 10:43 PM, wrote: Exactly the same problem in 3 different units? Because of bad solder joint? All bought far apart in time! Three of them? Software isn't intermittent. Yes, it is. Frequently. There must be a problem that can be fixed, but it may be a production problem that can only be fixed at the factory or an official service center (if there are any). Sometimes it takes a little digging in order to find out how to get a faulty product repaired. Do you have one that's under warranty? That's the one that you should have fixed, but you have to initiate the warranty repair. It may take a phone call. -- Les Cargill |
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On 7/29/2013 8:15 AM, Les Cargill wrote:
Software isn't intermittent. Yes, it is. Frequently. No, it isn't. The environment is intermittent. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
On 7/29/2013 8:15 AM, Les Cargill wrote: Software isn't intermittent. Yes, it is. Frequently. No, it isn't. The environment is intermittent. *Sigh* Software can be, and frequently is intermittent. Trust me on this... -- Les Cargill |
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![]() skrev i en meddelelse ... Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY please post. You say that the world pro is on the box, so it is pro. Sorry, that is not how the world is, if the word is on the box then it is most likely the only pro about it. Behringer consistently makes some good products, but it is a budget brand, and what budget brands save on is always button and switch or connector quality ... Some people are oompatible with buying Behringer stuff, you do not seem to be one of them. Go for Soundcraft instead. Kind regards Peter Larsen |
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On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY please post. 3 units with the exactly the SAME PROBLEM? Doesn't look like "button and switch or connector quality" problem. That is definitely design flaw! |
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On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY please post. Yes 3 of them! I have 2 of them: RX1202FX (Serial # N1000158486, Date Code 1001) RX1202FX (Serial # S1006617486, Date Code 1012) And when I posted the problem on Behriner users forum another guy reported EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM! http://forum.behringer.com/showthrea...-with-RX1202FX The unit I bought brand new just ran out of warranty, so I am stuck with 2 lemmons from Behringer. |
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On 7/29/2013 10:40 AM, wrote:
And when I posted the problem on Behriner users forum another guy reported EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM! The unit I bought brand new just ran out of warranty, so I am stuck with 2 lemmons from Behringer. You got a response (two, actually) from a customer support person at Behringer. They want your unit (or units) to study the problem. Don't worry about them being just out of warranty. Get them into the hands of the people who can help. They aren't doing you any good, and we sure can't help you. If you didn't get a useful reply from try again. Point them to the forum thread and ask where and how to ship your units off to get the suspicious board replaced. Don't tell them they have a design problem. There may be a manufacturing engineering problem that causes the intermittent behavior, and the best way they can fix that is to study known defective units. Don't waste your time bitching here, do something pro-active to help yourself and other users of Behringer products that share the same effects circuit board. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
On 7/29/2013 10:40 AM, wrote: And when I posted the problem on Behriner users forum another guy reported EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM! The unit I bought brand new just ran out of warranty, so I am stuck with 2 lemmons from Behringer. You got a response (two, actually) from a customer support person at Behringer. They want your unit (or units) to study the problem. Don't worry about them being just out of warranty. Get them into the hands of the people who can help. They aren't doing you any good, and we sure can't help you. If you didn't get a useful reply from try again. Point them to the forum thread and ask where and how to ship your units off to get the suspicious board replaced. Don't tell them they have a design problem. There may be a manufacturing engineering problem that causes the intermittent behavior, and the best way they can fix that is to study known defective units. Don't waste your time bitching here, do something pro-active to help yourself and other users of Behringer products that share the same effects circuit board. What Mike said. Keep in mind that one's behavior may generate a positive or negative response from those capable of offering assistance. A good attitude and restraint in thinking one is qualified to assess the root of a problem can go a long way in the direction of satisfactory resolution. All Behringer kit is not created alike. Years ago Behringer replaced a couple of DEQ2496's I'd installed in a dance studio, which failed just out of warranty. The replacement units are still working, as are the others that were installed. This is roughly six years of 12 to 16 hour days, 360+ days a year. A wide variety of causes may underlie this type of repeated failure. The Great Capacitor Formula Robbery comes to mind, a situation that affected electronics of very many types from lots of manufacturers, for a long time. Diagnosis is unlikely if one does not have the failed examples to examine. Short of that it's guesswork, and welcome to the innernut. -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://hankandshaidrimusic.com/ http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic |
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On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:29:11 -0700, (hank alrich)
wrote: Mike Rivers wrote: On 7/29/2013 10:40 AM, wrote: And when I posted the problem on Behriner users forum another guy reported EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM! The unit I bought brand new just ran out of warranty, so I am stuck with 2 lemmons from Behringer. You got a response (two, actually) from a customer support person at Behringer. They want your unit (or units) to study the problem. Don't worry about them being just out of warranty. Get them into the hands of the people who can help. They aren't doing you any good, and we sure can't help you. If you didn't get a useful reply from try again. Point them to the forum thread and ask where and how to ship your units off to get the suspicious board replaced. Don't tell them they have a design problem. There may be a manufacturing engineering problem that causes the intermittent behavior, and the best way they can fix that is to study known defective units. Don't waste your time bitching here, do something pro-active to help yourself and other users of Behringer products that share the same effects circuit board. What Mike said. Keep in mind that one's behavior may generate a positive or negative response from those capable of offering assistance. A good attitude and restraint in thinking one is qualified to assess the root of a problem can go a long way in the direction of satisfactory resolution. All Behringer kit is not created alike. Years ago Behringer replaced a couple of DEQ2496's I'd installed in a dance studio, which failed just out of warranty. The replacement units are still working, as are the others that were installed. This is roughly six years of 12 to 16 hour days, 360+ days a year. A wide variety of causes may underlie this type of repeated failure. The Great Capacitor Formula Robbery comes to mind, a situation that affected electronics of very many types from lots of manufacturers, for a long time. Diagnosis is unlikely if one does not have the failed examples to examine. Short of that it's guesswork, and welcome to the innernut. There was one Behringer unit from the bad electrolyte days that I looked at that had over 50 bad electrolytics. It went into the trash. |
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Chuck wrote:
There was one Behringer unit from the bad electrolyte days that I looked at that had over 50 bad electrolytics. It went into the trash. With a desoldering tool, I can do 50 bad electrolytics in two hours easy. I recapped an entire Interface console in a day. I was cramped and sore but it sounded great. The desoldering tool is worth every penny. It will pay for itself in one job like that. It doesn't work any better than a Soldapulit but it sure works a lot faster. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Monday, July 29, 2013 12:23:03 PM UTC-5, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 7/29/2013 10:40 AM, wrote: And when I posted the problem on Behriner users forum another guy reported EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM! The unit I bought brand new just ran out of warranty, so I am stuck with 2 lemmons from Behringer. You got a response (two, actually) from a customer support person at Behringer. They want your unit (or units) to study the problem. Don't worry about them being just out of warranty. Get them into the hands of the people who can help. They aren't doing you any good, and we sure can't help you. If you didn't get a useful reply from try again. Point them to the forum thread and ask where and how to ship your units off to get the suspicious board replaced. Don't tell them they have a design problem. There may be a manufacturing engineering problem that causes the intermittent behavior, and the best way they can fix that is to study known defective units. Don't waste your time bitching here, do something pro-active to help yourself and other users of Behringer products that share the same effects circuit board. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com There is no separate FX circuit board inside. And no plug in chips on the board. Everything is soldered on one single board. There is nothing and bench technician can do to fix the problem |
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Found one more customer with the EXACTLY SAME PROBLEM: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/contr... By nucci1960 from Laguna, CA That's 4 units with EXACTLY the SAME PROBLEM and still counting.... |
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" wrote in
: There is no separate FX circuit board inside. And no plug in chips on the board. Everything is soldered on one single board. There is nothing and bench technician can do to fix the problem Baloney! Competent bench technicians can repair solder joints, and replace bad components soldered to printed circuit boards. If the problem is diagnosed as a RoHS compliant (e.g. brittle) solder joint, it may be easy for a competent technician to fix. If the problem is diagnosed as a bad resistor, it may be easy for a competent technician to fix. Q |
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On Monday, July 29, 2013 3:40:36 PM UTC-5, Bob Quintal wrote:
" wrote in : There is no separate FX circuit board inside. And no plug in chips on the board. Everything is soldered on one single board. There is nothing and bench technician can do to fix the problem Baloney! Competent bench technicians can repair solder joints, and replace bad components soldered to printed circuit boards. If the problem is diagnosed as a RoHS compliant (e.g. brittle) solder joint, it may be easy for a competent technician to fix. If the problem is diagnosed as a bad resistor, it may be easy for a competent technician to fix. Q Dah.......... And how exactly bad solder joint can cause EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM in 4 different units? |
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On 7/29/2013 2:53 PM, wrote:
There is no separate FX circuit board inside. And no plug in chips on the board. Everything is soldered on one single board. There is nothing and bench technician can do to fix the problem Replace a chip, maybe? -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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On Monday, July 29, 2013 5:31:49 PM UTC-5, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 7/29/2013 2:53 PM, wrote: There is no separate FX circuit board inside. And no plug in chips on the board. Everything is soldered on one single board. There is nothing and bench technician can do to fix the problem Replace a chip, maybe? -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com Replace it with what? Another chip with same problem? |
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wrote: Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY please post. Professional equipment doesn't say "Pro" on the box. Whenever you see "Pro" on the box, you can believe that it's amateur gear. What you describe is probably noise on the grounds from the effects processor leaking into other stages. Odds are that if you put a microphone on an input, it won't be quite so loud. Just mute unused channels. This is the absolute cheapest bargain basement gear. You should be pleased that it works at all given how cheaply it is made. It might be possible for a technician to add some additional decoupling capacitors around the effects system to quiet the grounds and rails down. But it's really not worth the trouble to work on equipment this cheap because as soon as you fix one thing, you notice something else. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On 7/29/2013 8:53 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Professional equipment doesn't say "Pro" on the box. Whenever you see "Pro" on the box, you can believe that it's amateur gear. Like Pro Tools. -- Here In Oregon Twitter: I don't tweet, I leave that to the birds. MySpace: Then put a lock on it. Facebook: Ever hear of the term identity theft? |
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In article , HIO wrote:
On 7/29/2013 8:53 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote: Professional equipment doesn't say "Pro" on the box. Whenever you see "Pro" on the box, you can believe that it's amateur gear. Like Pro Tools. Yes, sadly enough. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Am Montag, 29. Juli 2013 20:24:23 UTC+2 schrieb HIO:
On 7/29/2013 8:53 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote: Professional equipment doesn't say "Pro" on the box. Whenever you see "Pro" on the box, you can believe that it's amateur gear. Like Pro Tools. yeah that's a good example :-) |
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Am Montag, 29. Juli 2013 20:24:23 UTC+2 schrieb HIO: On 7/29/2013 8:53 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote: Professional equipment doesn't say "Pro" on the box. Whenever you see "Pro" on the box, you can believe that it's amateur gear. Like Pro Tools. yeah that's a good example :-) Cute, and while I don't use it, Pro Tools is used by more pros than any other DAW worldwide. -- shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com HankandShaidriMusic.Com YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic |
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On 8/26/2013 8:29 AM, hank alrich wrote:
ST10SS wrote: Am Montag, 29. Juli 2013 20:24:23 UTC+2 schrieb HIO: On 7/29/2013 8:53 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote: Professional equipment doesn't say "Pro" on the box. Whenever you see "Pro" on the box, you can believe that it's amateur gear. Like Pro Tools. yeah that's a good example :-) Cute, and while I don't use it, Pro Tools is used by more pros than any other DAW worldwide. I was surprised last month on a poll at the UAD forums just how many people had switched to Cubase recently (39 percent). Tools was at 20 percent and there are some full time engineers over there. I used to use Pro Fools and now use the lowly *Reaper* and which happens to have the best audio engine in the business (big block with dual overhead cams). |
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![]() "hank alrich" wrote in message ... Cute, and while I don't use it, Pro Tools is used by more pros than any other DAW worldwide. That used to be the argument for NS-10's too :-) Trevor. |
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On Monday, August 26, 2013 at 11:29:50 AM UTC-4, hank alrich wrote:
ST10SS wrote: Am Montag, 29. Juli 2013 20:24:23 UTC+2 schrieb HIO: On 7/29/2013 8:53 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote: Professional equipment doesn't say "Pro" on the box. Whenever you see "Pro" on the box, you can believe that it's amateur gear. Like Pro Tools. yeah that's a good example :-) Cute, and while I don't use it, Pro Tools is used by more pros than any other DAW worldwide. But probably 15% or less actually know how to properly use it. Plus, probably bootlegged the most, like Photoshop, is the key reason why it's "popular". Jack -- shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com HankandShaidriMusic.Com YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic |
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On Monday, August 26, 2013 at 11:29:50 AM UTC-4, hank alrich wrote:
ST10SS wrote: Am Montag, 29. Juli 2013 20:24:23 UTC+2 schrieb HIO: On 7/29/2013 8:53 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote: Professional equipment doesn't say "Pro" on the box. Whenever you see "Pro" on the box, you can believe that it's amateur gear. Like Pro Tools. yeah that's a good example :-) Cute, and while I don't use it, Pro Tools is used by more pros than any other DAW worldwide. Like a heard of cattle, one follows the other, brainlessly! Take that, G'! Jack -- shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com HankandShaidriMusic.Com YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic |
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![]() "Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... This is the absolute cheapest bargain basement gear. You should be pleased that it works at all given how cheaply it is made. Exactly, but I do give credit to Behringer for selling their cheaply made gear cheaply, rather than charging more money for cheaply made gear as some other manufacturers do. Especially so before Behrenger entered the SR market and forced the bottom end prices down, thus making them affordable for the occasional user. As I always say, you can only guarantee you get what you pay for at the bottom. Higher quality always costs more, but paying more is no guarantee of higher quality unfortunately. Trevor. |
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On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY please post. I don't mind sending them the unit if they pay for shipping. Both units are out of warranty. Do I suppose to pay extra for Behringers blunders after I am stuck with 2 lemons? I wouldn't mind sending them both units after my Mackie comes in (I am still using one on the gigs). But than why would I need Behringers at all? Honest manufacturers suppose to recall defective products and eve issue REFUNDS. UPDATE: Found one more customer with the EXACTLY SAME PROBLEM: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/contr... By nucci1960 from Laguna, CA That's 4 units with EXACTLY the SAME PROBLEM and still counting.... |
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wrote: On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote: Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY please post. I don't mind sending them the unit if they pay for shipping. Both units are out of warranty. Do I suppose to pay extra for Behringers blunders after I am stuck with 2 lemons? I wouldn't mind sending them both units after my Mackie comes in (I am still using one on the gigs). But than why would I need Behringers at all? Honest manufacturers suppose to recall defective products and eve issue REFUNDS. UPDATE: Found one more customer with the EXACTLY SAME PROBLEM: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/contr... By nucci1960 from Laguna, CA That's 4 units with EXACTLY the SAME PROBLEM and still counting.... Why are these units out of warranty? As a customer you have a responsibility to return defective goods in a timely manner. Bitching here about failed stuff that is out of warranty isn't going to win you much sympathy. It cost you very little, so ditch it and move on. d |
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![]() wrote in message ... On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote: Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY please post. I don't mind sending them the unit if they pay for shipping. Both units are out of warranty. Do I suppose to pay extra for Behringers blunders after I am stuck with 2 lemons? I wouldn't mind sending them both units after my Mackie comes in (I am still using one on the gigs). But than why would I need Behringers at all? Honest manufacturers suppose to recall defective products and eve issue REFUNDS. UPDATE: Found one more customer with the EXACTLY SAME PROBLEM: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/contr... By nucci1960 from Laguna, CA That's 4 units with EXACTLY the SAME PROBLEM and still counting.... How long was the warranty ? Why did you not send it back then, or at least take/send the new one back to where you bought it ? You also bought the used one, so either take that back to where you got it, or send it to your local 'B' distributor and get it fixed. You DID get a response to you support reequests, but chose not to proceed. I had a Mackie mixer that stuffed up once. So maybe you should look upmarket. Oh, I also had a Focusrite Liquid Channel that had a design fault, so where does that leave you ?!!! geoff |
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On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY please post. If you paid attention to the video there was NOTHING plugged into the mixer and all the sliders and trim pots at "0". It sounds EXACTLY the same even when I unplug XLR OUTs and listen via headphone output. Any possibility of ground loop is ZERO, ZILCH, NADA! |
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