[DarkSide of Nightmix]

"Those old-fashioned analog platters (with the warm sound)
aren't back from the dead; they were never quite buried in
the first place..."

Business Week: http://atu.ca/6aecf

[GregS[_3_]]

In article , DarkSide of Nightmix wrote:
"Those old-fashioned analog platters (with the warm sound)
aren't back from the dead; they were never quite buried in
the first place..."

Business Week: http://atu.ca/6aecf

Unfortunately many of those LP guys also sell CD's to make a living
and many are going bust with mass merchandising Walmart and the like. The
The record shops can't even buy things as cheap as what Walmart is selling them
for

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08235/906256-28.stm

http://www.recordrama.com/

greg

[MiNe 109]

In article ,
(GregS) wrote:

In article , DarkSide of Nightmix
wrote:
"Those old-fashioned analog platters (with the warm sound)
aren't back from the dead; they were never quite buried in
the first place..."

Business Week: http://atu.ca/6aecf

Unfortunately many of those LP guys also sell CD's to make a living

What's unfortunate about selling both cds and lps?

and many are going bust with mass merchandising Walmart and the like. The
The record shops can't even buy things as cheap as what Walmart is selling
them
for

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08235/906256-28.stm

http://www.recordrama.com/

Lps will remain a niche product and I don't think Walmart sells them at
all.

Stephen

[Clyde Slick]

On Aug 25, 10:59*am, (GregS) wrote:
In article , DarkSide of Nightmix wrote:

"Those old-fashioned analog platters (with the warm sound)
aren't back from the dead; they were never quite buried in
the first place..."

Business Week:http://atu.ca/6aecf

Unfortunately many of those LP guys also sell CD's to make a living
and many are going bust with mass merchandising Walmart and the like. The
The record shops can't even buy things as cheap as what Walmart is selling them
for

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08235/906256-28.stm

http://www.recordrama.com/

greg

go into a WalMart and see the lousy selection.
Compare it to Borders. here they got 2 half empty racks, one aisle of
pop

[Geoff]

GregS wrote:
In article , DarkSide of
Nightmix wrote:
"Those old-fashioned analog platters (with the warm sound)
aren't back from the dead; they were never quite buried in
the first place..."

Business Week: http://atu.ca/6aecf

Unfortunately many of those LP guys also sell CD's to make a living

Phew, so the puinter CAN hear what the master is meant to sound like then
....

geoff

[[email protected]]

Most of the new, overpriced vinyl is sold by niche catalog/internet
people like Chad Kassem and other bull**** artists.

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

geoff wrote:

GregS wrote:

In article , DarkSide of
Nightmix wrote:

"Those old-fashioned analog platters (with the warm sound)
aren't back from the dead; they were never quite buried in
the first place..."

Business Week: http://atu.ca/6aecf

Unfortunately many of those LP guys also sell CD's to make a living

Phew, so the puinter CAN hear what the master is meant to sound like
then ...

One example known of the lp having A dynamic range and the cd not, ie.
totally different masterings, with the large dynamic range audio on the
small dynamic range hardware format. Based on actually analyzing a resonably
large selection of vinyl and cd's the general difference is that old vinyl
has large actually used dynamic range than new cd's. Which is to say that
the listener preference appears to be one of less manipulated - or better
manipulated - audio and not one of one of the formats actually sounding
better than the other. Most of the format characteristic differences vanish
when the lp is played back in a silent room anyway ....

geoff

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[Arny Krueger]

"DarkSide of Nightmix"
wrote in message

"Those old-fashioned analog platters (with the warm sound)
aren't back from the dead; they were never quite buried in
the first place..."

Business Week: http://atu.ca/6aecf

A little more context:

"Rising LP sales are proving that every fashion comes back if you stick
around long enough. The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA)
reports that shipments of vinyl records, measured by dollar value, increased
36.6% from 2006 to 2007. But, while demand for albums has increased, record
sales remain significantly lower than those of compact discs and digital
media. More than half a billion CDs were purchased in 2007, compared with
about 1.3 million vinyl LPs.

"Demand for records has grown, but it's kind of like the dandelion in the
weed patch," says Geoff Mayfield, chart director at Billboard magazine.
"Growth is high because the base is so small." The RIAA declined to comment.

[[email protected]]

On Aug 25, 7:25*am, DarkSide of Nightmix
wrote:
"Those old-fashioned analog platters (with the warm sound)
aren't back from the dead; they were never quite buried in
the first place..."

Business Week:http://atu.ca/6aecf

The sound you get depends so much on the equipment you have that
"warm" and "cold" are meaningless for an individual listener.
What matters is that some of the 50s and 60s LPs., before the
"improvements" began, contain unrivalled performances of the classics
by such as Ansermet, Furtwangler and superb chamber music quartets and
quintets superbly recorded eg. Budapest playing Beethoven quartetsa.
For all I know pop may sound better on CDs.
Ludovic Mirabel

[[email protected]]

On Aug 25, 3:32 pm, " wrote:
On Aug 25, 7:25 am, DarkSide of Nightmix

wrote:
"Those old-fashioned analog platters (with the warm sound)
aren't back from the dead; they were never quite buried in
the first place..."

Business Week:http://atu.ca/6aecf

The sound you get depends so much on the equipment you have that
"warm" and "cold" are meaningless for an individual listener.
What matters is that some of the 50s and 60s LPs., before the
"improvements" began, contain unrivalled performances of the classics
by such as Ansermet, Furtwangler and superb chamber music quartets and
quintets superbly recorded eg. Budapest playing Beethoven quartetsa.
For all I know pop may sound better on CDs.
Ludovic Mirabel

Yes, but....the necessary signal processing needed to enable them to
be cut with a $20K Neumann head without danger of tearing it up means
LESS realism. LESS dynamic range. LESS detail. Properly mastered, even
the old red book CD beats vinyl.

That said-the vinyl was mastered from fresh tapes which today may not
exist.

But since you have no technical knowledge and are apparently proud of
it, I wouldn't expect you to comprehend.

Where is Mr. Ludwig when we need him??????

[Clyde Slick]

On 26 Aug, 16:46, wrote:

*Where is Mr. Ludwig when we need him??????-

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/1...rseptocst9.jpg

[Steven Sullivan]

In rec.audio.tech DarkSide of Nightmix wrote:
"Those old-fashioned analog platters (with the warm sound)
aren't back from the dead; they were never quite buried in
the first place..."

Business Week: http://atu.ca/6aecf

'warm sound' = euphonic distortion not present on the source tape.




--
-S
A wise man, therefore, proportions his belief to the evidence. -- David Hume, "On Miracles"
(1748)

[Arny Krueger]

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message

In rec.audio.tech DarkSide of Nightmix
wrote:
"Those old-fashioned analog platters (with the warm
sound) aren't back from the dead; they were never quite
buried in the first place..."

Business Week: http://atu.ca/6aecf

'warm sound' = euphonic distortion not present on the
source tape.

Pretty easy to simulate, if you are handy with an equalizer.

How to increase "warmth":

Q = 1.2-2.5 rise of a few dB around 150-200 Hz.

Roll off those nasty thuddy dark lows below about 90 Hz.

Overall downward slope of -0.5 to -1 dB/octave from 20-20 kHz.

Q=8-12 notch of 3-9 dB around 9 kHz.

Gently roll off above highs about 6-8 KHz at -6 to -12 dB/octave.

Advanced processing that is easy enough with good DAW software, but can't be
done with just an eq:

Add just a little 60, 120, 180 Hz hum.

Overall dynamics compression to eliminate hard-to-hear quiet passages,
and ear-shattering loud passages.

Add even-order distortion to loud passages

Add red-shaped noise to low-level passages

Add just a little modulation noise

Random or cyclic changes to channel balance and phase to widen perceived
soundstage.

[Andrew Barss[_2_]]

In rec.audio.tech Arny Krueger wrote:

: Pretty easy to simulate, if you are handy with an equalizer.

: How to increase "warmth":

snip


Has anyone ever manufactured a device to do this automatically, i.e. a
"vivyl warmth"-ifier? Given that some people (claim to) really enjoy
the sound of vinyl, this would seem to have a built-in market.


-- Andy Barss

[Jenn[_3_]]

In article ,
Andrew Barss wrote:

In rec.audio.tech Arny Krueger wrote:

: Pretty easy to simulate, if you are handy with an equalizer.

: How to increase "warmth":

snip


Has anyone ever manufactured a device to do this automatically, i.e. a
"vivyl warmth"-ifier? Given that some people (claim to) really enjoy
the sound of vinyl, this would seem to have a built-in market.


-- Andy Barss

Why do you say, "claim to"?

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" wrote in message

In article ,
Andrew Barss wrote:

In rec.audio.tech Arny Krueger wrote:

Pretty easy to simulate, if you are handy with an
equalizer.

How to increase "warmth":

snip


Has anyone ever manufactured a device to do this
automatically, i.e. a "vivyl warmth"-ifier? Given that
some people (claim to) really enjoy the sound of vinyl,
this would seem to have a built-in market.

Why do you say, "claim to"?

Simple, because an individual's preference for vinyl might have nothing to
do with actual sound quality.

[AZ Nomad[_2_]]

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:47:25 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Barss wrote:
In rec.audio.tech Arny Krueger wrote:

: Pretty easy to simulate, if you are handy with an equalizer.

: How to increase "warmth":

snip


Has anyone ever manufactured a device to do this automatically, i.e. a
"vivyl warmth"-ifier? Given that some people (claim to) really enjoy
the sound of vinyl, this would seem to have a built-in market.

They're called thousand dollar cables.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Stupey Sillybot's back is up. What's scaring Stupey? Why, some hideously
uninhibited Normal mentioned [gasp!] vinyl recordings!

"Those old-fashioned analog platters (with the warm sound)
aren't back from the dead; they were never quite buried in
the first place..."

'warm sound' = euphonic distortion not present on the source tape.

The horror! They're talking about LPs in public! And -- get this --
THEY'RE NOT WAVING PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES!!

Who can blame Stupey for reacting like this? He was minding his own
business, peacefully building up his Fortress Of Audio Safety (known to
Normals as a crypt). And along comes a Normal who DARES to mention the
Forbidden Truth. Of course Sillybot is terrified. What 'borg wouldn't be?

[Steven Sullivan]

In rec.audio.tech George M. Middius wrote:



Stupey Sillybot's back is up. What's scaring Stupey? Why, some hideously
uninhibited Normal mentioned [gasp!] vinyl recordings!

"Those old-fashioned analog platters (with the warm sound)
aren't back from the dead; they were never quite buried in
the first place..."

'warm sound' = euphonic distortion not present on the source tape.

The horror! They're talking about LPs in public! And -- get this --
THEY'RE NOT WAVING PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES!!

Who can blame Stupey for reacting like this? He was minding his own
business, peacefully building up his Fortress Of Audio Safety (known to
Normals as a crypt). And along comes a Normal who DARES to mention the
Forbidden Truth. Of course Sillybot is terrified. What 'borg wouldn't be?


The only possible 'horror' here, for me, would come from putting myself in your place, and
realizing that *all* I'd ever had to show for myself was puerile 'funny' names, ten-ton
sarcasm, and nerdy in-jokes in the service of endless, pointless, psychotic vendettas...all of
which would still be there in the public record to condemn me as a sad, pathetic loser long
after I'm dead.

shudder


--
-S
A wise man, therefore, proportions his belief to the evidence. -- David Hume, "On Miracles"
(1748)

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Stupey's fragile ego is bruised.

Stupey Sillybot's back is up. What's scaring Stupey? Why, some hideously
uninhibited Normal mentioned [gasp!] vinyl recordings!

"Those old-fashioned analog platters (with the warm sound)
aren't back from the dead; they were never quite buried in
the first place..."

'warm sound' = euphonic distortion not present on the source tape.

The horror! They're talking about LPs in public! And -- get this --
THEY'RE NOT WAVING PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES!!

Who can blame Stupey for reacting like this? He was minding his own
business, peacefully building up his Fortress Of Audio Safety (known to
Normals as a crypt). And along comes a Normal who DARES to mention the
Forbidden Truth. Of course Sillybot is terrified. What 'borg wouldn't be?

The only possible 'horror' here, for me, would come from putting myself in your place, and
realizing that *all* I'd ever had to show for myself was puerile 'funny' names, ten-ton
sarcasm, and nerdy in-jokes in the service of endless, pointless, psychotic vendettas...all of
which would still be there in the public record to condemn me as a sad, pathetic loser long
after I'm dead.


I get this kind of reaction from time to time. Nine times out of ten, it
arises out of envy. I see you engaged your thesaurus to show your
vocabulary chops. Did you weigh the risk of getting shunned in the nerds'
colony because of your wanton use of three-syllable words?

BTW, I have it on good authority that you giggled uncontrollably the first
time you read my pet name for you. Don't worry, I don't have it on tape.

[Steven Sullivan]

In rec.audio.tech George M. Middius wrote:


Stupey's fragile ego is bruised.

Stupey Sillybot's back is up. What's scaring Stupey? Why, some hideously
uninhibited Normal mentioned [gasp!] vinyl recordings!

"Those old-fashioned analog platters (with the warm sound)
aren't back from the dead; they were never quite buried in
the first place..."

'warm sound' = euphonic distortion not present on the source tape.

The horror! They're talking about LPs in public! And -- get this --
THEY'RE NOT WAVING PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES!!

Who can blame Stupey for reacting like this? He was minding his own
business, peacefully building up his Fortress Of Audio Safety (known to
Normals as a crypt). And along comes a Normal who DARES to mention the
Forbidden Truth. Of course Sillybot is terrified. What 'borg wouldn't be?

The only possible 'horror' here, for me, would come from putting myself in your place, and
realizing that *all* I'd ever had to show for myself was puerile 'funny' names, ten-ton
sarcasm, and nerdy in-jokes in the service of endless, pointless, psychotic vendettas...all of
which would still be there in the public record to condemn me as a sad, pathetic loser long
after I'm dead.


I get this kind of reaction from time to time. Nine times out of ten, it
arises out of envy.



This is the tenth time, ****bag.




--
-S
A wise man, therefore, proportions his belief to the evidence. -- David Hume, "On Miracles"
(1748)

[Clyde Slick]

On 2 Sep, 14:08, Steven Sullivan wrote:


....all of
which would still be there in the public record to condemn me as a sad, pathetic loser long
after I'm dead.

shudder


I have high hopes for you

[AZ Nomad[_2_]]

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:37:49 +0000 (UTC), Steven Sullivan wrote:
In rec.audio.tech DarkSide of Nightmix wrote:
"Those old-fashioned analog platters (with the warm sound)
aren't back from the dead; they were never quite buried in
the first place..."

Business Week: http://atu.ca/6aecf

'warm sound' = euphonic distortion not present on the source tape.


IMNSHO 'warm sound' = muffled high frequencies. It's amazing when audiophiles
can find cables so incredibly mediocre that they have difficulty handling
frequencies about 5khz and give that lovely warm sound as one would expect
from a worn out record being played with a worn out stylus. Such progress,
and usually for only $100/ft! But, of course, we all know that equalizers
are bad so it's off to the cable shop to find filters.

[GregS[_3_]]

In article , AZ Nomad wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:37:49 +0000 (UTC), Steven Sullivan
wrote:
In rec.audio.tech DarkSide of Nightmix wrote:
"Those old-fashioned analog platters (with the warm sound)
aren't back from the dead; they were never quite buried in
the first place..."

Business Week: http://atu.ca/6aecf

'warm sound' = euphonic distortion not present on the source tape.


IMNSHO 'warm sound' = muffled high frequencies. It's amazing when audiophiles
can find cables so incredibly mediocre that they have difficulty handling
frequencies about 5khz and give that lovely warm sound as one would expect
from a worn out record being played with a worn out stylus. Such progress,
and usually for only $100/ft! But, of course, we all know that equalizers
are bad so it's off to the cable shop to find filters.

Warm sound is generally made by reducing frequencies around 2 kHz.

greg

[GregS[_3_]]

In article , (GregS) wrote:
In article , AZ Nomad
wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:37:49 +0000 (UTC), Steven Sullivan
wrote:
In rec.audio.tech DarkSide of Nightmix wrote:
"Those old-fashioned analog platters (with the warm sound)
aren't back from the dead; they were never quite buried in
the first place..."

Business Week: http://atu.ca/6aecf

'warm sound' = euphonic distortion not present on the source tape.


IMNSHO 'warm sound' = muffled high frequencies. It's amazing when audiophiles
can find cables so incredibly mediocre that they have difficulty handling
frequencies about 5khz and give that lovely warm sound as one would expect
from a worn out record being played with a worn out stylus. Such progress,
and usually for only $100/ft! But, of course, we all know that equalizers
are bad so it's off to the cable shop to find filters.

Warm sound is generally made by reducing frequencies around 2 kHz.

I always assumed since the ear is most sensitive in this region, its the first thing that gets
overloaded. I think some of the old records had presense peaks around 1 kHz.

greg

[Chronic Philharmonic]

"AZ Nomad" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:37:49 +0000 (UTC), Steven Sullivan
wrote:
In rec.audio.tech DarkSide of Nightmix
wrote:
"Those old-fashioned analog platters (with the warm sound)
aren't back from the dead; they were never quite buried in
the first place..."

Business Week: http://atu.ca/6aecf

'warm sound' = euphonic distortion not present on the source tape.


IMNSHO 'warm sound' = muffled high frequencies. It's amazing when
audiophiles
can find cables so incredibly mediocre that they have difficulty handling
frequencies about 5khz and give that lovely warm sound as one would expect
from a worn out record being played with a worn out stylus. Such
progress,
and usually for only $100/ft! But, of course, we all know that equalizers
are bad so it's off to the cable shop to find filters.

A worn out record being played with a worn out stylus never sounded warm to
me. It sounds noisy, fuzzy and distorted. Reducing frequencies above about
5kHz might provide some relief from that, but it isn't high fidelity. As far
as that goes, "warm" isn't a term I would associate with high fidelity
either. Accuracy, perhaps.

Since recording a live event (or generating the illusion of a live event in
the studio) is an art form, high fidelity is a complex concept. IMHO, the
most neutral medium and reproduction equipment would be the best way to
reproduce the original sound. Vinyl, and most analog storage technology is
measurably and objectively nowhere near as neutral as modern digital
technology. Flame on...

[AZ Nomad[_2_]]

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:20:01 GMT, Chronic Philharmonic wrote:


"AZ Nomad" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:37:49 +0000 (UTC), Steven Sullivan
wrote:
In rec.audio.tech DarkSide of Nightmix
wrote:
"Those old-fashioned analog platters (with the warm sound)
aren't back from the dead; they were never quite buried in
the first place..."

Business Week: http://atu.ca/6aecf

'warm sound' = euphonic distortion not present on the source tape.


IMNSHO 'warm sound' = muffled high frequencies. It's amazing when
audiophiles
can find cables so incredibly mediocre that they have difficulty handling
frequencies about 5khz and give that lovely warm sound as one would expect
from a worn out record being played with a worn out stylus. Such
progress,
and usually for only $100/ft! But, of course, we all know that equalizers
are bad so it's off to the cable shop to find filters.

A worn out record being played with a worn out stylus never sounded warm to
me. It sounds noisy, fuzzy and distorted. Reducing frequencies above about
5kHz might provide some relief from that, but it isn't high fidelity. As far
as that goes, "warm" isn't a term I would associate with high fidelity
either. Accuracy, perhaps.

Since recording a live event (or generating the illusion of a live event in
the studio) is an art form, high fidelity is a complex concept. IMHO, the
most neutral medium and reproduction equipment would be the best way to
reproduce the original sound. Vinyl, and most analog storage technology is
measurably and objectively nowhere near as neutral as modern digital
technology. Flame on...

No argument here, but I didn't have a $10K phono investment to rationalize when
CD's first came out. Mine's $10K! It has to sound better than a $300 CD
player! That muffled sound has to be better... Let's give it a name... warm!

[Jenn[_3_]]

In article ,
AZ Nomad wrote:

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:20:01 GMT, Chronic Philharmonic
wrote:


"AZ Nomad" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:37:49 +0000 (UTC), Steven Sullivan
wrote:
In rec.audio.tech DarkSide of Nightmix
wrote:
"Those old-fashioned analog platters (with the warm sound)
aren't back from the dead; they were never quite buried in
the first place..."

Business Week: http://atu.ca/6aecf

'warm sound' = euphonic distortion not present on the source tape.


IMNSHO 'warm sound' = muffled high frequencies. It's amazing when
audiophiles
can find cables so incredibly mediocre that they have difficulty handling
frequencies about 5khz and give that lovely warm sound as one would expect
from a worn out record being played with a worn out stylus. Such
progress,
and usually for only $100/ft! But, of course, we all know that equalizers
are bad so it's off to the cable shop to find filters.

A worn out record being played with a worn out stylus never sounded warm to
me. It sounds noisy, fuzzy and distorted. Reducing frequencies above about
5kHz might provide some relief from that, but it isn't high fidelity. As far
as that goes, "warm" isn't a term I would associate with high fidelity
either. Accuracy, perhaps.

Since recording a live event (or generating the illusion of a live event in
the studio) is an art form, high fidelity is a complex concept. IMHO, the
most neutral medium and reproduction equipment would be the best way to
reproduce the original sound. Vinyl, and most analog storage technology is
measurably and objectively nowhere near as neutral as modern digital
technology. Flame on...

No argument here, but I didn't have a $10K phono investment to rationalize
when
CD's first came out. Mine's $10K! It has to sound better than a $300 CD
player! That muffled sound has to be better... Let's give it a name...
warm!

Or another name: "It sounds more like typical acoustic music to ______
(insert name)."

[Chronic Philharmonic]

"AZ Nomad" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:20:01 GMT, Chronic Philharmonic
wrote:


"AZ Nomad" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:37:49 +0000 (UTC), Steven Sullivan
wrote:
In rec.audio.tech DarkSide of Nightmix
wrote:
"Those old-fashioned analog platters (with the warm sound)
aren't back from the dead; they were never quite buried in
the first place..."

Business Week: http://atu.ca/6aecf

'warm sound' = euphonic distortion not present on the source tape.


IMNSHO 'warm sound' = muffled high frequencies. It's amazing when
audiophiles
can find cables so incredibly mediocre that they have difficulty
handling
frequencies about 5khz and give that lovely warm sound as one would
expect
from a worn out record being played with a worn out stylus. Such
progress,
and usually for only $100/ft! But, of course, we all know that
equalizers
are bad so it's off to the cable shop to find filters.

A worn out record being played with a worn out stylus never sounded warm
to
me. It sounds noisy, fuzzy and distorted. Reducing frequencies above about
5kHz might provide some relief from that, but it isn't high fidelity. As
far
as that goes, "warm" isn't a term I would associate with high fidelity
either. Accuracy, perhaps.

Since recording a live event (or generating the illusion of a live event
in
the studio) is an art form, high fidelity is a complex concept. IMHO, the
most neutral medium and reproduction equipment would be the best way to
reproduce the original sound. Vinyl, and most analog storage technology is
measurably and objectively nowhere near as neutral as modern digital
technology. Flame on...

No argument here, but I didn't have a $10K phono investment to rationalize
when
CD's first came out. Mine's $10K! It has to sound better than a $300 CD
player! That muffled sound has to be better... Let's give it a name...
warm!

Yeah, I had a lot invested in vinyl when CDs came out. But I always had a
love-hate relationship with vinyl. I knew how good it could sound, but it
rarely did. It took a lot of maintenance to keep it sounding good, and even
then the sound inevitably deteriorated. CDs were cheap, accurate and
repeatable. Hi-fi for the masses. I think that was the problem. Any old kid
on a skateboard could afford truly high fidelity without even caring or
appreciating the concept.

[Chronic Philharmonic]

"AZ Nomad" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:20:01 GMT, Chronic Philharmonic
wrote:

[...]

A worn out record being played with a worn out stylus never sounded warm
to
me. It sounds noisy, fuzzy and distorted. Reducing frequencies above about
5kHz might provide some relief from that, but it isn't high fidelity. As
far
as that goes, "warm" isn't a term I would associate with high fidelity
either. Accuracy, perhaps.

Since recording a live event (or generating the illusion of a live event
in
the studio) is an art form, high fidelity is a complex concept. IMHO, the
most neutral medium and reproduction equipment would be the best way to
reproduce the original sound. Vinyl, and most analog storage technology is
measurably and objectively nowhere near as neutral as modern digital
technology. Flame on...

No argument here, but I didn't have a $10K phono investment to rationalize
when
CD's first came out. Mine's $10K! It has to sound better than a $300 CD
player! That muffled sound has to be better... Let's give it a name...
warm!

The other problem: My cat has taken to sleeping on the dust cover of my
expensive turntable. I play CDs now, because I can still get the CD drawer
open with the cat sitting there. So the vinyl format simply is not
cat-friendly.

[nobody]

On 2008-08-29, Chronic Philharmonic wrote:


"AZ Nomad" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:37:49 +0000 (UTC), Steven Sullivan
wrote:
In rec.audio.tech DarkSide of Nightmix
wrote:
"Those old-fashioned analog platters (with the warm sound)
aren't back from the dead; they were never quite buried in
the first place..."

Business Week: http://atu.ca/6aecf

'warm sound' = euphonic distortion not present on the source tape.


IMNSHO 'warm sound' = muffled high frequencies. It's amazing when
audiophiles
can find cables so incredibly mediocre that they have difficulty handling
frequencies about 5khz and give that lovely warm sound as one would expect
from a worn out record being played with a worn out stylus. Such
progress,
and usually for only $100/ft! But, of course, we all know that equalizers
are bad so it's off to the cable shop to find filters.

A worn out record being played with a worn out stylus never sounded warm to
me. It sounds noisy, fuzzy and distorted. Reducing frequencies above about
5kHz might provide some relief from that, but it isn't high fidelity. As far
as that goes, "warm" isn't a term I would associate with high fidelity
either. Accuracy, perhaps.

Since recording a live event (or generating the illusion of a live event in
the studio) is an art form, high fidelity is a complex concept. IMHO, the
most neutral medium and reproduction equipment would be the best way to
reproduce the original sound. Vinyl, and most analog storage technology is
measurably and objectively nowhere near as neutral as modern digital
technology. Flame on...


Wait until recycled vinyl is used for the records as the companies did in the
1970's "oil crisis"; it wasn't just the sound that was a problem..

[Harry Lavo]

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"AZ Nomad" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:37:49 +0000 (UTC), Steven Sullivan
wrote:
In rec.audio.tech DarkSide of Nightmix
wrote:
"Those old-fashioned analog platters (with the warm sound)
aren't back from the dead; they were never quite buried in
the first place..."

Business Week: http://atu.ca/6aecf

'warm sound' = euphonic distortion not present on the source tape.


IMNSHO 'warm sound' = muffled high frequencies. It's amazing when
audiophiles
can find cables so incredibly mediocre that they have difficulty handling
frequencies about 5khz and give that lovely warm sound as one would
expect
from a worn out record being played with a worn out stylus. Such
progress,
and usually for only $100/ft! But, of course, we all know that
equalizers
are bad so it's off to the cable shop to find filters.

A worn out record being played with a worn out stylus never sounded warm
to me. It sounds noisy, fuzzy and distorted. Reducing frequencies above
about 5kHz might provide some relief from that, but it isn't high
fidelity. As far as that goes, "warm" isn't a term I would associate with
high fidelity either. Accuracy, perhaps.

Since recording a live event (or generating the illusion of a live event
in the studio) is an art form, high fidelity is a complex concept. IMHO,
the most neutral medium and reproduction equipment would be the best way
to reproduce the original sound. Vinyl, and most analog storage technology
is measurably and objectively nowhere near as neutral as modern digital
technology. Flame on...

Yeah it really is. Too bad it doesn't sound as good....... :-)