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Even if you don't
believe in him... there's no rational person who can say he wasn't at
the very LEAST an amazing person.


Who..as far as I now..never hurt anyone.


John A. Chiara
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Even if you don't
believe in him... there's no rational person who can say he wasn't at
the very LEAST an amazing person.


Who..as far as I now..never hurt anyone.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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George wrote:
In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

George wrote:

I can not find the proof they will accept but i do have plenty in
observing the day in and day out actions that a loving GOD , if he
had any love at all would never permit.

All you're saying George, is that you're unhappy that God won't take
orders from you.


George sluffs the question, again

all I am saying is you refuse all evidence offered, like the flat
earth society or the people who think we never landed on the moon
in your mind there is no evidence good enough


Where's your scientific proof of that, George? All I see is accusations

and
assertions.


where is yours
mine though you do not accept it is a simple as even you would deny God
should you find himself presenting himself to you
for all you know I am God , and I am here to challenge the pious, to insure
that the meek shall inherit the earth(what ever is left of it after the war
mongers and polluters are done)
so if you do not even believe how do you expect to convince anyone else
as I said my proof is good enough for me, it needs to be no better
george


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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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George wrote:
In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

George wrote:

I can not find the proof they will accept but i do have plenty in
observing the day in and day out actions that a loving GOD , if he
had any love at all would never permit.

All you're saying George, is that you're unhappy that God won't take
orders from you.


George sluffs the question, again

all I am saying is you refuse all evidence offered, like the flat
earth society or the people who think we never landed on the moon
in your mind there is no evidence good enough


Where's your scientific proof of that, George? All I see is accusations

and
assertions.


where is yours
mine though you do not accept it is a simple as even you would deny God
should you find himself presenting himself to you
for all you know I am God , and I am here to challenge the pious, to insure
that the meek shall inherit the earth(what ever is left of it after the war
mongers and polluters are done)
so if you do not even believe how do you expect to convince anyone else
as I said my proof is good enough for me, it needs to be no better
george


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"Blind Joni" wrote in message
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John one can never "understand a God" for ther is no God to understand,
but I do understand peoples misguided addiction to thier God Myths


No, you understand your own experience..that's all. To claim more is again
arrogant and condescending. I accept your experience..you think that

someone
having a different experience is somehow infringing on your rights..and I

mean
specifically..not some Gov't official doing something you don't agree

with.

would you embrace your God if he came knocking on your door selling
toothbrushes?
until you are able to accept your God how ever he may appear then you really
have no more faith than me
as I told Arny , I am God , and I came here to shame the pious, and those
that believe I am only a christian God
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"Blind Joni" wrote in message
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John one can never "understand a God" for ther is no God to understand,
but I do understand peoples misguided addiction to thier God Myths


No, you understand your own experience..that's all. To claim more is again
arrogant and condescending. I accept your experience..you think that

someone
having a different experience is somehow infringing on your rights..and I

mean
specifically..not some Gov't official doing something you don't agree

with.

would you embrace your God if he came knocking on your door selling
toothbrushes?
until you are able to accept your God how ever he may appear then you really
have no more faith than me
as I told Arny , I am God , and I came here to shame the pious, and those
that believe I am only a christian God
George


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would you embrace your God if he came knocking on your door selling
toothbrushes?
until you are able to accept your God how ever he may appear then you really
have no more faith than me


Aha..so part of your evidence for God's nonexistence is that he never appeared
to you?
Tell me more.


John A. Chiara
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would you embrace your God if he came knocking on your door selling
toothbrushes?
until you are able to accept your God how ever he may appear then you really
have no more faith than me


Aha..so part of your evidence for God's nonexistence is that he never appeared
to you?
Tell me more.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
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"Blind Joni" wrote in message
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Even if you don't
believe in him... there's no rational person who can say he wasn't at
the very LEAST an amazing person.


Who..as far as I now..never hurt anyone.

Careful John , Arny will start ragging on your grammer
Peace
george


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"Blind Joni" wrote in message
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Even if you don't
believe in him... there's no rational person who can say he wasn't at
the very LEAST an amazing person.


Who..as far as I now..never hurt anyone.

Careful John , Arny will start ragging on your grammer
Peace
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Lets just cut to the chase
I AM GOD.



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Lets just cut to the chase
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After all the bandwidth, and darn few responses directly related to the
question, I'll help muddy things up.

Usually, "band" brings to mind 4 guys (or however many), with one or more of
them on mics. The Worship Team is often extended beyond a typical band --
often including multiple vocalists. In some instances, the CG operator and
FOH/monitor techs are considered part of the team -- they would never be
considered part of the "band."

Someone else already pointed out that the use of the word "team" explicitly
implies pursuit of a particular goal, whereas the band is probably more
focused simply on the music.

The definitions are kind of fluid, and in many cases, it is just personal
preference.

In what manner are you asking? If it bothers you, why? It doesn't bother
me for a high-school auditorium to be called a "performance space" by the
resident drama teacher, even though the sign over the door clearly says
"auditorium." Who's right?

Oh, and somebody else made a snarky comment about the relative musicianship
of church bands. I've seen bad, I've seen good. I've seen church bands
that beat the average secular band hands-down musically. I've seen church
bands that sent me running to the exit. It's a cultural thing, and I
consider it the height of arrogance to belittle anyone's cultural
contributions, even if their contributions are religious, or aren't very
well done. For Christians, it is also a God-thing, and the quality often
takes second place.

I'm also getting a hint of implicit theory (call it what you will) behind
many of the rant postings which seem to imply that religious music is
somehow 2nd class behind real music -- historically, culturally, whatever.
I'm not quite sure what to say, other than, for crying out loud, read your
history books. 'Twasn't for monks (i.e., those stupid religious guys), we
wouldn't have sheet music.


"Leon Trotsky" wrote in message
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(james) wrote in
news:_5Poc.28740$fE.22788@fed1read02:

In article ,
Leon Trotsky wrote:

I'm always puzzled by the fact that churches have to make up some dorky
name for their band.



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After all the bandwidth, and darn few responses directly related to the
question, I'll help muddy things up.

Usually, "band" brings to mind 4 guys (or however many), with one or more of
them on mics. The Worship Team is often extended beyond a typical band --
often including multiple vocalists. In some instances, the CG operator and
FOH/monitor techs are considered part of the team -- they would never be
considered part of the "band."

Someone else already pointed out that the use of the word "team" explicitly
implies pursuit of a particular goal, whereas the band is probably more
focused simply on the music.

The definitions are kind of fluid, and in many cases, it is just personal
preference.

In what manner are you asking? If it bothers you, why? It doesn't bother
me for a high-school auditorium to be called a "performance space" by the
resident drama teacher, even though the sign over the door clearly says
"auditorium." Who's right?

Oh, and somebody else made a snarky comment about the relative musicianship
of church bands. I've seen bad, I've seen good. I've seen church bands
that beat the average secular band hands-down musically. I've seen church
bands that sent me running to the exit. It's a cultural thing, and I
consider it the height of arrogance to belittle anyone's cultural
contributions, even if their contributions are religious, or aren't very
well done. For Christians, it is also a God-thing, and the quality often
takes second place.

I'm also getting a hint of implicit theory (call it what you will) behind
many of the rant postings which seem to imply that religious music is
somehow 2nd class behind real music -- historically, culturally, whatever.
I'm not quite sure what to say, other than, for crying out loud, read your
history books. 'Twasn't for monks (i.e., those stupid religious guys), we
wouldn't have sheet music.


"Leon Trotsky" wrote in message
...
(james) wrote in
news:_5Poc.28740$fE.22788@fed1read02:

In article ,
Leon Trotsky wrote:

I'm always puzzled by the fact that churches have to make up some dorky
name for their band.





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George Gleason wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
George wrote:
In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

George wrote:

I can not find the proof they will accept but i do have plenty in
observing the day in and day out actions that a loving GOD , if he
had any love at all would never permit.

All you're saying George, is that you're unhappy that God won't
take orders from you.


George sluffs the question, again

all I am saying is you refuse all evidence offered, like the flat
earth society or the people who think we never landed on the moon
in your mind there is no evidence good enough


Where's your scientific proof of that, George? All I see is
accusations

and
assertions.


where is yours


I never said that such a proof even existed.

mine though you do not accept it is a simple as even you would deny
God should you find himself presenting himself to you
for all you know I am God , and I am here to challenge the pious, to
insure that the meek shall inherit the earth(what ever is left of it
after the war mongers and polluters are done)
so if you do not even believe how do you expect to convince anyone
else as I said my proof is good enough for me, it needs to be no
better george


Gibberish and run-on sentence(s).

Thanks for sharing what you got George - nothing even vaguely resembling
reason or science.


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George Gleason wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
George wrote:
In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

George wrote:

I can not find the proof they will accept but i do have plenty in
observing the day in and day out actions that a loving GOD , if he
had any love at all would never permit.

All you're saying George, is that you're unhappy that God won't
take orders from you.


George sluffs the question, again

all I am saying is you refuse all evidence offered, like the flat
earth society or the people who think we never landed on the moon
in your mind there is no evidence good enough


Where's your scientific proof of that, George? All I see is
accusations

and
assertions.


where is yours


I never said that such a proof even existed.

mine though you do not accept it is a simple as even you would deny
God should you find himself presenting himself to you
for all you know I am God , and I am here to challenge the pious, to
insure that the meek shall inherit the earth(what ever is left of it
after the war mongers and polluters are done)
so if you do not even believe how do you expect to convince anyone
else as I said my proof is good enough for me, it needs to be no
better george


Gibberish and run-on sentence(s).

Thanks for sharing what you got George - nothing even vaguely resembling
reason or science.


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George wrote:
In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

George wrote:

John one can never "understand a God" for ther is no God to
understand,


Prove that scientifically, George.



Arny I have over and over again, you just reject it beacuse you need
the God Myth as a crutch
you can do the google
I am too lazy


Thanks for sharing what you've got George, nothing!


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George wrote:
In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

George wrote:

John one can never "understand a God" for ther is no God to
understand,


Prove that scientifically, George.



Arny I have over and over again, you just reject it beacuse you need
the God Myth as a crutch
you can do the google
I am too lazy


Thanks for sharing what you've got George, nothing!


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In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

George wrote:
In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

George wrote:

John one can never "understand a God" for ther is no God to
understand,

Prove that scientifically, George.



Arny I have over and over again, you just reject it beacuse you need
the God Myth as a crutch
you can do the google
I am too lazy


Thanks for sharing what you've got George, nothing!



I figured you would dismiss it
keep your head in the sand it is serving you well
George


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In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

George wrote:
In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

George wrote:

John one can never "understand a God" for ther is no God to
understand,

Prove that scientifically, George.



Arny I have over and over again, you just reject it beacuse you need
the God Myth as a crutch
you can do the google
I am too lazy


Thanks for sharing what you've got George, nothing!



I figured you would dismiss it
keep your head in the sand it is serving you well
George
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George wrote:
In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

George wrote:
In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

George wrote:

John one can never "understand a God" for ther is no God to
understand,

Prove that scientifically, George.



Arny I have over and over again, you just reject it beacuse you need
the God Myth as a crutch
you can do the google
I am too lazy


Thanks for sharing what you've got George, nothing!



I figured you would dismiss it


Self-fuflilling prophecy. Give people crap and whine when they call it what
it is.

keep your head in the sand it is serving you well


No mirrors where you live, eh George?


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George wrote:
In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

George wrote:
In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

George wrote:

John one can never "understand a God" for ther is no God to
understand,

Prove that scientifically, George.



Arny I have over and over again, you just reject it beacuse you need
the God Myth as a crutch
you can do the google
I am too lazy


Thanks for sharing what you've got George, nothing!



I figured you would dismiss it


Self-fuflilling prophecy. Give people crap and whine when they call it what
it is.

keep your head in the sand it is serving you well


No mirrors where you live, eh George?


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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
George Gleason wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
George wrote:
In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

George wrote:

I can not find the proof they will accept but i do have plenty in
observing the day in and day out actions that a loving GOD , if he
had any love at all would never permit.

All you're saying George, is that you're unhappy that God won't
take orders from you.

George sluffs the question, again

all I am saying is you refuse all evidence offered, like the flat
earth society or the people who think we never landed on the moon
in your mind there is no evidence good enough

Where's your scientific proof of that, George? All I see is
accusations

and
assertions.


where is yours


I never said that such a proof even existed.

mine though you do not accept it is a simple as even you would deny
God should you find himself presenting himself to you
for all you know I am God , and I am here to challenge the pious, to
insure that the meek shall inherit the earth(what ever is left of it
after the war mongers and polluters are done)
so if you do not even believe how do you expect to convince anyone
else as I said my proof is good enough for me, it needs to be no
better george


Gibberish and run-on sentence(s).

Thanks for sharing what you got George - nothing even vaguely resembling
reason or science.

no one needs to present Science when debating God, as the Holders of faith
reject science by the very fact they base thier lives on Faith.
why should I be held to a standard you reject?
George


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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
George Gleason wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
George wrote:
In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

George wrote:

I can not find the proof they will accept but i do have plenty in
observing the day in and day out actions that a loving GOD , if he
had any love at all would never permit.

All you're saying George, is that you're unhappy that God won't
take orders from you.

George sluffs the question, again

all I am saying is you refuse all evidence offered, like the flat
earth society or the people who think we never landed on the moon
in your mind there is no evidence good enough

Where's your scientific proof of that, George? All I see is
accusations

and
assertions.


where is yours


I never said that such a proof even existed.

mine though you do not accept it is a simple as even you would deny
God should you find himself presenting himself to you
for all you know I am God , and I am here to challenge the pious, to
insure that the meek shall inherit the earth(what ever is left of it
after the war mongers and polluters are done)
so if you do not even believe how do you expect to convince anyone
else as I said my proof is good enough for me, it needs to be no
better george


Gibberish and run-on sentence(s).

Thanks for sharing what you got George - nothing even vaguely resembling
reason or science.

no one needs to present Science when debating God, as the Holders of faith
reject science by the very fact they base thier lives on Faith.
why should I be held to a standard you reject?
George


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George Gleason wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
George Gleason wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
George wrote:
In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

George wrote:

I can not find the proof they will accept but i do have plenty
in observing the day in and day out actions that a loving GOD ,
if he had any love at all would never permit.

All you're saying George, is that you're unhappy that God won't
take orders from you.

George sluffs the question, again

all I am saying is you refuse all evidence offered, like the flat
earth society or the people who think we never landed on the moon
in your mind there is no evidence good enough

Where's your scientific proof of that, George? All I see is
accusations
and
assertions.


where is yours


I never said that such a proof even existed.

mine though you do not accept it is a simple as even you would deny
God should you find himself presenting himself to you
for all you know I am God , and I am here to challenge the pious,
to insure that the meek shall inherit the earth(what ever is left
of it after the war mongers and polluters are done)
so if you do not even believe how do you expect to convince anyone
else as I said my proof is good enough for me, it needs to be no
better george


Gibberish and run-on sentence(s).

Thanks for sharing what you got George - nothing even vaguely
resembling reason or science.


no one needs to present Science when debating God,


Tell me how you debate with God, George. This has to be intereseting!

as the Holders of faith reject science by the very fact they base their

lives on Faith.

Look George, you have already proven yourself to be totally incompetent to
prove or disprove the existence of God by scientific means.

why should I be held to a standard you reject?


Something about you avoiding the alleged hypocrisy that you condemn in
others, George.


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George Gleason wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
George Gleason wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
George wrote:
In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

George wrote:

I can not find the proof they will accept but i do have plenty
in observing the day in and day out actions that a loving GOD ,
if he had any love at all would never permit.

All you're saying George, is that you're unhappy that God won't
take orders from you.

George sluffs the question, again

all I am saying is you refuse all evidence offered, like the flat
earth society or the people who think we never landed on the moon
in your mind there is no evidence good enough

Where's your scientific proof of that, George? All I see is
accusations
and
assertions.


where is yours


I never said that such a proof even existed.

mine though you do not accept it is a simple as even you would deny
God should you find himself presenting himself to you
for all you know I am God , and I am here to challenge the pious,
to insure that the meek shall inherit the earth(what ever is left
of it after the war mongers and polluters are done)
so if you do not even believe how do you expect to convince anyone
else as I said my proof is good enough for me, it needs to be no
better george


Gibberish and run-on sentence(s).

Thanks for sharing what you got George - nothing even vaguely
resembling reason or science.


no one needs to present Science when debating God,


Tell me how you debate with God, George. This has to be intereseting!

as the Holders of faith reject science by the very fact they base their

lives on Faith.

Look George, you have already proven yourself to be totally incompetent to
prove or disprove the existence of God by scientific means.

why should I be held to a standard you reject?


Something about you avoiding the alleged hypocrisy that you condemn in
others, George.


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Arny,
I am God
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Arny,
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"brent nowlan" wrote in message
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Heres some scienctific proof for you http://www.creationscience.com/ check
it out


Please don't say things like this to George, he reacts violently :-)




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In article ,
"Romeo Rondeau" wrote:

"brent nowlan" wrote in message
. ..
Heres some scienctific proof for you http://www.creationscience.com/ check
it out


Please don't say things like this to George, he reacts violently :-)



he didn't say anything
he needs to bring it here as I don't do links
otherwise it's just another fart in the wind
George
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"George" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Romeo Rondeau" wrote:

"brent nowlan" wrote in message
. ..
Heres some scienctific proof for you http://www.creationscience.com/

check
it out


Please don't say things like this to George, he reacts violently :-)



he didn't say anything
he needs to bring it here as I don't do links
otherwise it's just another fart in the wind
George


Phew! Thank God!... Oops! :-)


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Oh dear.
Faith is about believing in something beyond your understanding. I never
attack a man's faith. More often than not it's all we mystically-oriented
little entities have to get us through this mess called life with some sense
of confidence, focus and stamina. What possible purpose oculd there be in
ripping apart the supports that help someone live a life better for
themselves and all around them? I will say this though, and it was a hard
long thing learned; If you have a need to scientifically PROVE your faith's
beliefs, you don't have faith.

--
John I-22
(that's 'I' for Initial...)
Recognising what's NOT worth your time, THAT'S the key.
--

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if only this was the case
much "faith" enables predjuice, exclusion, distain, hatred all in the
name of God


And some people believe other people are "scientifically" inferior (or
superior) to others (and surely some are) and engage in prejudice based on
that. What does this have to do with anything? According to the bible God
himself said one of the main reasons he is hated is because of how his
so-called "followers" act. (Romans 2:24). Don't confuse the message with the
messenger. I look at faith more as extrapolation. As I've had the faith to
do certain things asked of me (that I was afraid of at the time) and it was
proven to me that he would do what he said it gives me the faith to take
those next steps I'm afraid of with a little more confidence. And it's not
always easy. In fact there's times it would be a lot easier thinking all the
suffering was just random and that there was no God than to believe there's
a God but wonder why he's not intervening. But just because we don't like
something doesn't mean it's not true.




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But just because we don't like
something doesn't mean it's not true.


the same way all the faith, wishing hopeing and praying doesn't make
something true either
you live your way
I live mine
your way in no more correct than mine
George


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"George" wrote in message
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But just because we don't like
something doesn't mean it's not true.


the same way all the faith, wishing hopeing and praying doesn't make
something true either
you live your way
I live mine
your way in no more correct than mine
George


No more correct? That's certainly contrary to what you've posted in the
past. You have told people they were stupid for believing in God.


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"Romeo Rondeau" wrote:

"George" wrote in message
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But just because we don't like
something doesn't mean it's not true.


the same way all the faith, wishing hopeing and praying doesn't make
something true either
you live your way
I live mine
your way in no more correct than mine
George


No more correct? That's certainly contrary to what you've posted in the
past. You have told people they were stupid for believing in God.



I m guess semantics come into play
I said(or tried to say) I find it stupid to base ones life action on the
god myth.
this is not the sama s"You are stupid" but perhaps that might have been
expressed
as It was expressed to me that I can't possibley understand the God
myths beacuse I do not Believe
uteer bull**** as well
george
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God's not on ANYBODY'S side as history inarguably shows.

I believe if there was a God , it would not choose sides either
too bad we can't convince OBL or GwB of that
george



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