In article writes:

Mike, I assume there's a reason you can't just include a floppy diskette
with the book?

Packaging and cost. I'm writing a $10 book and I don't want to have to
sell it for $20. On the other hand, it might save someone much more
money than it cost, but you don't know that until it actually does.

The idea of the book/CD package is that the user would always have it.
He wouldn't have to get on the Mackie web site to download the OS
files, or go to Bootdisk.com to download a bootable floppy, and
somewhere to find the CMOS loading utility, and most important, he'd
have the data files I created that load varios versions of the CMOS
setup.



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However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

John Adair wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 20:52:22 +0100, Kurt Albershardt wrote
(in article ):


What you probably want to do is use the builtin Mac disk image tool:


On OS X it's called Disk Utility and it's in the utilities folder (inside
the applications folder.)

On OS 9 it's called DiskImage and it's in either the Apple Extras or the
Utilities folder.



I just grabbed a (hopefully benign!) imz file from one of the other groups
and tried out a few things. Apple's Disc Utility didn't know what the hell it
was and refused to admit it was a disc image at all. So I tried it on my old
G3 PowerBook, where Disk Copy was similarly unresponsive. However, Aladdin
Shrinkwrap got the idea straight away and let me create a mountable disk
image, which presumably I could use to create a floppy from if I had a floppy
drive.

However, without the benefit of a floppy drive to check it, I'm not sure
whether it would let me create a disc on a PC formatted floppy. OS9 can
certainly read PC discs so I would assume so but have no way of checking.


I think the plan would be to put the bootable floppy into a Mac floppy drive, run the Mac native imaging app and then try reconstructing from that. If he's lucky, OS 9 and OS X will share the image format and only one image (with two sets of instructions) will be needed.

John Adair wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 20:52:22 +0100, Kurt Albershardt wrote
(in article ):


What you probably want to do is use the builtin Mac disk image tool:


On OS X it's called Disk Utility and it's in the utilities folder (inside
the applications folder.)

On OS 9 it's called DiskImage and it's in either the Apple Extras or the
Utilities folder.



I just grabbed a (hopefully benign!) imz file from one of the other groups
and tried out a few things. Apple's Disc Utility didn't know what the hell it
was and refused to admit it was a disc image at all. So I tried it on my old
G3 PowerBook, where Disk Copy was similarly unresponsive. However, Aladdin
Shrinkwrap got the idea straight away and let me create a mountable disk
image, which presumably I could use to create a floppy from if I had a floppy
drive.

However, without the benefit of a floppy drive to check it, I'm not sure
whether it would let me create a disc on a PC formatted floppy. OS9 can
certainly read PC discs so I would assume so but have no way of checking.


I think the plan would be to put the bootable floppy into a Mac floppy drive, run the Mac native imaging app and then try reconstructing from that. If he's lucky, OS 9 and OS X will share the image format and only one image (with two sets of instructions) will be needed.

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 21:19:15 +0100, Kurt Albershardt wrote
(in article ):

John Adair wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 20:52:22 +0100, Kurt Albershardt wrote
(in article ):


What you probably want to do is use the builtin Mac disk image tool:


On OS X it's called Disk Utility and it's in the utilities folder (inside
the applications folder.)

On OS 9 it's called DiskImage and it's in either the Apple Extras or the
Utilities folder.



I just grabbed a (hopefully benign!) imz file from one of the other groups
and tried out a few things. Apple's Disc Utility didn't know what the hell
it
was and refused to admit it was a disc image at all. So I tried it on my
old
G3 PowerBook, where Disk Copy was similarly unresponsive. However, Aladdin
Shrinkwrap got the idea straight away and let me create a mountable disk
image, which presumably I could use to create a floppy from if I had a
floppy
drive.

However, without the benefit of a floppy drive to check it, I'm not sure
whether it would let me create a disc on a PC formatted floppy. OS9 can
certainly read PC discs so I would assume so but have no way of checking.


I think the plan would be to put the bootable floppy into a Mac floppy
drive, run the Mac native imaging app and then try reconstructing from that.
If he's lucky, OS 9 and OS X will share the image format and only one image
(with two sets of instructions) will be needed.



Ah, I thought the plan was to make a disc image which Mac users could use to
create a floppy which could then be read by the Mackie. In which case,
wouldn't it be necessary to make a PC formatted floppy?

John

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 21:19:15 +0100, Kurt Albershardt wrote
(in article ):

John Adair wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 20:52:22 +0100, Kurt Albershardt wrote
(in article ):


What you probably want to do is use the builtin Mac disk image tool:


On OS X it's called Disk Utility and it's in the utilities folder (inside
the applications folder.)

On OS 9 it's called DiskImage and it's in either the Apple Extras or the
Utilities folder.



I just grabbed a (hopefully benign!) imz file from one of the other groups
and tried out a few things. Apple's Disc Utility didn't know what the hell
it
was and refused to admit it was a disc image at all. So I tried it on my
old
G3 PowerBook, where Disk Copy was similarly unresponsive. However, Aladdin
Shrinkwrap got the idea straight away and let me create a mountable disk
image, which presumably I could use to create a floppy from if I had a
floppy
drive.

However, without the benefit of a floppy drive to check it, I'm not sure
whether it would let me create a disc on a PC formatted floppy. OS9 can
certainly read PC discs so I would assume so but have no way of checking.


I think the plan would be to put the bootable floppy into a Mac floppy
drive, run the Mac native imaging app and then try reconstructing from that.
If he's lucky, OS 9 and OS X will share the image format and only one image
(with two sets of instructions) will be needed.



Ah, I thought the plan was to make a disc image which Mac users could use to
create a floppy which could then be read by the Mackie. In which case,
wouldn't it be necessary to make a PC formatted floppy?

John

George Perfect wrote:

I think a bigger problem might be that it's a while since I last saw a
Mac with a floppy drive on it. Your "customers" are going to have to
borrow or acquire an external drive before they can write a floppy to
start with.

USB floppy drives are a pittance now, brand new. Circa forty bucks US
list. Any Macster who needs this file shouldn't balk at that. I bought
one off eBay a couple of years back just to make disc images from
floppies of Filemaker Pro 3 so I could use it on a more recent Mac.

--
ha

George Perfect wrote:

I think a bigger problem might be that it's a while since I last saw a
Mac with a floppy drive on it. Your "customers" are going to have to
borrow or acquire an external drive before they can write a floppy to
start with.

USB floppy drives are a pittance now, brand new. Circa forty bucks US
list. Any Macster who needs this file shouldn't balk at that. I bought
one off eBay a couple of years back just to make disc images from
floppies of Filemaker Pro 3 so I could use it on a more recent Mac.

--
ha

Ty Ford wrote:

As GP and others mentioned Macs don't come with floppy drives anymore.

What Mackie MDR Macster wanting to install a larger HD would balk at
less than forty bucks for a USB floppy drive? This doesn't loom as a
deal breaker to me.

(My MP2-MH didn't come with Schoeps installed, either. g)

--
ha

Ty Ford wrote:

As GP and others mentioned Macs don't come with floppy drives anymore.

What Mackie MDR Macster wanting to install a larger HD would balk at
less than forty bucks for a USB floppy drive? This doesn't loom as a
deal breaker to me.

(My MP2-MH didn't come with Schoeps installed, either. g)

--
ha

In this place, lardy was recorded saying ...
Ah, I thought the plan was to make a disc image which Mac users could use to
create a floppy which could then be read by the Mackie. In which case,
wouldn't it be necessary to make a PC formatted floppy?

You're right - but the disk image (created on a PC) would already
contain the boot sector and bootstrap files to load the O/S.

The task is only to write these to a floppy diskette. This is about as
simple a job as comes along in computing.

--

George
Newcastle, England

Problems worthy of attack
Prove their worth, by hitting back [Piet Hein]

In this place, lardy was recorded saying ...
Ah, I thought the plan was to make a disc image which Mac users could use to
create a floppy which could then be read by the Mackie. In which case,
wouldn't it be necessary to make a PC formatted floppy?

You're right - but the disk image (created on a PC) would already
contain the boot sector and bootstrap files to load the O/S.

The task is only to write these to a floppy diskette. This is about as
simple a job as comes along in computing.

--

George
Newcastle, England

Problems worthy of attack
Prove their worth, by hitting back [Piet Hein]

"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1089550242k@trad...

In article 1ggr8ke.ybdoac1piwbekN%mail.addr.can.be.found@www .farm.se
writes:

Zip is directly accessible from the Finder (what Windows later
creatively chose to call Explorer).

Oh, so THAT's what Finder is. I never thought that Explorer was a very
good name for it in Windows either, particularly since Microsoft
already had Internet Explorer. I miss the days when I could just type
DIR.

I thought 'File Manager" was a far bette name.

geoff

"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1089550242k@trad...

In article 1ggr8ke.ybdoac1piwbekN%mail.addr.can.be.found@www .farm.se
writes:

Zip is directly accessible from the Finder (what Windows later
creatively chose to call Explorer).

Oh, so THAT's what Finder is. I never thought that Explorer was a very
good name for it in Windows either, particularly since Microsoft
already had Internet Explorer. I miss the days when I could just type
DIR.

I thought 'File Manager" was a far bette name.

geoff

"hank alrich" wrote in message
...
nuke wrote:

On two occasions recently, I've offered help to users of Mackie hard
disk recorders in the form of a self-extracting file that will create
a floppy disk that they can boot in their recorder and possibly solve
BRBR

What the **** is a floppy disk?

It's some kind of new technology from Mackie; think of it as reverse
engineering. It can make a drive run backwards.

MAc users don't have floppy dicks. They're just so virile.

geoff

"hank alrich" wrote in message
...
nuke wrote:

On two occasions recently, I've offered help to users of Mackie hard
disk recorders in the form of a self-extracting file that will create
a floppy disk that they can boot in their recorder and possibly solve
BRBR

What the **** is a floppy disk?

It's some kind of new technology from Mackie; think of it as reverse
engineering. It can make a drive run backwards.

MAc users don't have floppy dicks. They're just so virile.

geoff

M. T. MacPhee wrote:

We don't got some.

Again: are there any other ports on these beasts? Otherwise, the only
choice for a Mac user is to find a helpful PC user, which brings us back
to Mike's original post, I think.

Actually, almost all Mac users are forced to use PCs in their day jobs,
so I can't see that this is really a big problem. When the response is
"But I use a Mac", the answer is "Find a friend who has a PC".


Go to CompUSA, buy a $40 USB floppy drive, plug it into your Mac (it
will know what it is, probably lets loose a chuckle somewhere inside) do
your stuff, and return it to CompUSA and tell them it sux, which it does.

M. T. MacPhee wrote:

We don't got some.

Again: are there any other ports on these beasts? Otherwise, the only
choice for a Mac user is to find a helpful PC user, which brings us back
to Mike's original post, I think.

Actually, almost all Mac users are forced to use PCs in their day jobs,
so I can't see that this is really a big problem. When the response is
"But I use a Mac", the answer is "Find a friend who has a PC".


Go to CompUSA, buy a $40 USB floppy drive, plug it into your Mac (it
will know what it is, probably lets loose a chuckle somewhere inside) do
your stuff, and return it to CompUSA and tell them it sux, which it does.

George Perfect wrote:

In this place, lardy was recorded saying ...

Ah, I thought the plan was to make a disc image which Mac users could use to
create a floppy which could then be read by the Mackie. In which case,
wouldn't it be necessary to make a PC formatted floppy?


You're right - but the disk image (created on a PC) would already
contain the boot sector and bootstrap files to load the O/S.

The task is only to write these to a floppy diskette. This is about as
simple a job as comes along in computing.

And TTBOMK the tools are already there in both OS 9 and OS X. You could always use dd under OS X but the command line is probably going to scare off the average user...

George Perfect wrote:

In this place, lardy was recorded saying ...

Ah, I thought the plan was to make a disc image which Mac users could use to
create a floppy which could then be read by the Mackie. In which case,
wouldn't it be necessary to make a PC formatted floppy?


You're right - but the disk image (created on a PC) would already
contain the boot sector and bootstrap files to load the O/S.

The task is only to write these to a floppy diskette. This is about as
simple a job as comes along in computing.

And TTBOMK the tools are already there in both OS 9 and OS X. You could always use dd under OS X but the command line is probably going to scare off the average user...

In article znr1089550242k@trad, Mike Rivers wrote:
In article 1ggr8ke.ybdoac1piwbekN%mail.addr.can.be.found@www .farm.se writes:

Zip is directly accessible from the Finder (what Windows later
creatively chose to call Explorer).

Oh, so THAT's what Finder is. I never thought that Explorer was a very
good name for it in Windows either, particularly since Microsoft
already had Internet Explorer. I miss the days when I could just type
DIR.

So get a mac, open up a terminal window, and you can get a nice clean
command line interface. And it's a command line interface that actually
works and is more powerful than the GUI, unlike the shoddy DOS box on Windows.

I hate GUIs. And if you like working on a command line, the new Mac OS
is familiar and pleasant. It's not anything amazing or special, but you
can sit down at it and do anything you need to do. I never thought I'd
say a good thing about an Apple product, but there we are.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

In article znr1089550242k@trad, Mike Rivers wrote:
In article 1ggr8ke.ybdoac1piwbekN%mail.addr.can.be.found@www .farm.se writes:

Zip is directly accessible from the Finder (what Windows later
creatively chose to call Explorer).

Oh, so THAT's what Finder is. I never thought that Explorer was a very
good name for it in Windows either, particularly since Microsoft
already had Internet Explorer. I miss the days when I could just type
DIR.

So get a mac, open up a terminal window, and you can get a nice clean
command line interface. And it's a command line interface that actually
works and is more powerful than the GUI, unlike the shoddy DOS box on Windows.

I hate GUIs. And if you like working on a command line, the new Mac OS
is familiar and pleasant. It's not anything amazing or special, but you
can sit down at it and do anything you need to do. I never thought I'd
say a good thing about an Apple product, but there we are.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

George Perfect wrote:
This is one approach I suggested in my other post. All you need do now
is find a utility for Macs that writes an image to a floppy. In effect,
the (DOS in this case) disk format is contained within the image file so
the Mac needs to know diddly-squat about it. A simple byte-for-byte
transfer to diskette is all that's needed.

Surely one of the Mac users round here must know of a floppy image
writing utility?

dd if=inputfile of=/dev/fd0

dd has been part of the Unix distribution since about 1972, when disk
image dumps to tape were a standard backup method. It was originally
written as a joke (the command line arguments are the same as the IBM JCL
DD command for the most part), but it turned out to be really useful and
so thirty-some years later it's still there.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

George Perfect wrote:
This is one approach I suggested in my other post. All you need do now
is find a utility for Macs that writes an image to a floppy. In effect,
the (DOS in this case) disk format is contained within the image file so
the Mac needs to know diddly-squat about it. A simple byte-for-byte
transfer to diskette is all that's needed.

Surely one of the Mac users round here must know of a floppy image
writing utility?

dd if=inputfile of=/dev/fd0

dd has been part of the Unix distribution since about 1972, when disk
image dumps to tape were a standard backup method. It was originally
written as a joke (the command line arguments are the same as the IBM JCL
DD command for the most part), but it turned out to be really useful and
so thirty-some years later it's still there.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1089562032k@trad...

In article writes:

Mike, I assume there's a reason you can't just include a floppy diskette
with the book?

Packaging and cost. I'm writing a $10 book and I don't want to have to
sell it for $20. On the other hand, it might save someone much more
money than it cost, but you don't know that until it actually does.

The idea of the book/CD package is that the user would always have it.
He wouldn't have to get on the Mackie web site to download the OS
files, or go to Bootdisk.com to download a bootable floppy, and
somewhere to find the CMOS loading utility, and most important, he'd
have the data files I created that load varios versions of the CMOS
setup.


Mike, why don't you set up a web site with the files available as downloads.
Now, you have control of how long they will be available and in what
versions, etc? And, you don't have to include a CD or a Floppy with your
book. It is really not that costly to do.

Steve King

"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1089562032k@trad...

In article writes:

Mike, I assume there's a reason you can't just include a floppy diskette
with the book?

Packaging and cost. I'm writing a $10 book and I don't want to have to
sell it for $20. On the other hand, it might save someone much more
money than it cost, but you don't know that until it actually does.

The idea of the book/CD package is that the user would always have it.
He wouldn't have to get on the Mackie web site to download the OS
files, or go to Bootdisk.com to download a bootable floppy, and
somewhere to find the CMOS loading utility, and most important, he'd
have the data files I created that load varios versions of the CMOS
setup.


Mike, why don't you set up a web site with the files available as downloads.
Now, you have control of how long they will be available and in what
versions, etc? And, you don't have to include a CD or a Floppy with your
book. It is really not that costly to do.

Steve King

In article writes:

I never actually "run" those self-extracting .exe files, because,
well there's no guarantee it's not Something Else. It's always
openable with Winzip or the old command-line pkzip, though you may
have to rename it to .zip, which I think is a very good idea anyway,
so no one will be tempted to RUN it.

That's certainly a good philosophy if you receive a file like that in
an e-mail message, or get one from somoene you don't know, but geez,
you gotta trust SOMEONE here. You'd think that a file that came on a
CD along with a book would be what it says it is, and nothing more.

On the other hand, I recall when some edition of a major program was
shipped with a virus that installaed when you installed the program.
Apparently a disgruntled employee left it as a parting gift.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article writes:

I never actually "run" those self-extracting .exe files, because,
well there's no guarantee it's not Something Else. It's always
openable with Winzip or the old command-line pkzip, though you may
have to rename it to .zip, which I think is a very good idea anyway,
so no one will be tempted to RUN it.

That's certainly a good philosophy if you receive a file like that in
an e-mail message, or get one from somoene you don't know, but geez,
you gotta trust SOMEONE here. You'd think that a file that came on a
CD along with a book would be what it says it is, and nothing more.

On the other hand, I recall when some edition of a major program was
shipped with a virus that installaed when you installed the program.
Apparently a disgruntled employee left it as a parting gift.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article writes:

Actually, almost all Mac users are forced to use PCs in their day jobs,
so I can't see that this is really a big problem. When the response is
"But I use a Mac", the answer is "Find a friend who has a PC".

Day jobs? Musicians aren't supposed to have day jobs.

That was my thought, too, and I'm sure that when one is really
desperate, he'll find a PC. That's why the word "lazy" crept into my
original posting.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article writes:

Actually, almost all Mac users are forced to use PCs in their day jobs,
so I can't see that this is really a big problem. When the response is
"But I use a Mac", the answer is "Find a friend who has a PC".

Day jobs? Musicians aren't supposed to have day jobs.

That was my thought, too, and I'm sure that when one is really
desperate, he'll find a PC. That's why the word "lazy" crept into my
original posting.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article writes:

Understood - IIRC it may have been based on BEOS - now no longer with
us.

That was the TASCAM MX2424 and I believe the SX-1 also.

That said, it's such a trivial job to write a binary inmage to a floppy
that someone must already have created such a utility for Macs - at
least the ones that have floppy drives

If it's so trivial, why hasn't anyone pointed me to it yet? I've had
an offer from someone with Macs and PCs and knowledge to do the job
for me, but it has to create a file that's indeed "trivial" for a Mac
user to extract, assumeing he has a floppy drive. On a PeeCee,
clicking on the file name is all that's required. Even a Mac user can
do that. But I had some difficulty following Mackie's instructions for
creating the installation disks from their Mac files.

And ... (and this is important) ... remember that you can't please all
of the people all of the time.

That's a good philosophy.

My suggestion is that as soon as they get the book, find a few blank
floppys, find a PC, and make what they need. Someone who buys the book
ten years from now may have trouble even finding blank floppy disks.
And someone who has a 10 year old floppy might find that it won't
play. Everything has an end to its life cycle.





At the very least, those sour-suckers who don't buy your book 'cos
they're too lazy or religiously blinded to borrow a PC for 20 minutes
deserve to have their recorders fail without support.

Isn't there a delicious irony in knowing that all those Mac fans who so
despise the PC are sitting there with a PC inside their hard disk
recorders? evil grin (sorry - couldn't let the opportunity pass!)

--

George
Newcastle, England

Problems worthy of attack
Prove their worth, by hitting back [Piet Hein]

--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article writes:

Understood - IIRC it may have been based on BEOS - now no longer with
us.

That was the TASCAM MX2424 and I believe the SX-1 also.

That said, it's such a trivial job to write a binary inmage to a floppy
that someone must already have created such a utility for Macs - at
least the ones that have floppy drives

If it's so trivial, why hasn't anyone pointed me to it yet? I've had
an offer from someone with Macs and PCs and knowledge to do the job
for me, but it has to create a file that's indeed "trivial" for a Mac
user to extract, assumeing he has a floppy drive. On a PeeCee,
clicking on the file name is all that's required. Even a Mac user can
do that. But I had some difficulty following Mackie's instructions for
creating the installation disks from their Mac files.

And ... (and this is important) ... remember that you can't please all
of the people all of the time.

That's a good philosophy.

My suggestion is that as soon as they get the book, find a few blank
floppys, find a PC, and make what they need. Someone who buys the book
ten years from now may have trouble even finding blank floppy disks.
And someone who has a 10 year old floppy might find that it won't
play. Everything has an end to its life cycle.





At the very least, those sour-suckers who don't buy your book 'cos
they're too lazy or religiously blinded to borrow a PC for 20 minutes
deserve to have their recorders fail without support.

Isn't there a delicious irony in knowing that all those Mac fans who so
despise the PC are sitting there with a PC inside their hard disk
recorders? evil grin (sorry - couldn't let the opportunity pass!)

--

George
Newcastle, England

Problems worthy of attack
Prove their worth, by hitting back [Piet Hein]

--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article writes:

Are there any other ports on these beasts, like, for example, USB? One
of those USB flash memory gizmos might be the best solution.

There's an Ethernet port and an FTP server program as part of the
Mackie software, but you can't run a program over it.

I suppose I could just say when you can't fix it, it's dead, but I
hate to not try.




--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article writes:

Are there any other ports on these beasts, like, for example, USB? One
of those USB flash memory gizmos might be the best solution.

There's an Ethernet port and an FTP server program as part of the
Mackie software, but you can't run a program over it.

I suppose I could just say when you can't fix it, it's dead, but I
hate to not try.




--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article writes:

I just grabbed a (hopefully benign!) imz file from one of the other groups
and tried out a few things. Apple's Disc Utility didn't know what the hell it
was and refused to admit it was a disc image at all. So I tried it on my old
G3 PowerBook, where Disk Copy was similarly unresponsive. However, Aladdin
Shrinkwrap got the idea straight away and let me create a mountable disk
image, which presumably I could use to create a floppy from if I had a floppy
drive.

Shrinkwrap was one of the programs mentioned in Mackie's instructions
for making an HDR floppy from their distribution file.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article writes:

I just grabbed a (hopefully benign!) imz file from one of the other groups
and tried out a few things. Apple's Disc Utility didn't know what the hell it
was and refused to admit it was a disc image at all. So I tried it on my old
G3 PowerBook, where Disk Copy was similarly unresponsive. However, Aladdin
Shrinkwrap got the idea straight away and let me create a mountable disk
image, which presumably I could use to create a floppy from if I had a floppy
drive.

Shrinkwrap was one of the programs mentioned in Mackie's instructions
for making an HDR floppy from their distribution file.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

George Perfect wrote in message . co.uk...
Mike - a thought just reoccurred to me - sorry I got distracted and
forgot to suggest it when you asked about creating self-extracting files
a while ago.

If these files are not PC executables (or at least, they are only
binaries intended for the Mackie recorder) you might be better advised
to use one of the file compression utilities like WinRar to pack the
files into one distributable file.

This utility (there are others, current versions of WinZip, WinACE etc.
offer similar functions to the ones I'm describing) can create a self-
extracting PC executable if that's what you want at the touch of one
button.

Interestingly, it can also pack files into a compressed (or non-
compressed - your choice) archive in many other common formats including
several that Macs should be able to read straight off the disk.

I also believe that STUFFIT is widely used on Macs - there is a PC
version of this that I used once to get some files from a Mac. It
probably does a similar job in the other direction.

This might be a solution all round. If you want web sites or further
info, just shout.

Hope this helps.

Regards


Stuffit I believe can handle zip files and you can format floppies on
a mac to DOS/windows format. So if you zipped the disc image you
should be able to extract it to a floppy for the purposes described
from a mac.

Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com

George Perfect wrote in message . co.uk...
Mike - a thought just reoccurred to me - sorry I got distracted and
forgot to suggest it when you asked about creating self-extracting files
a while ago.

If these files are not PC executables (or at least, they are only
binaries intended for the Mackie recorder) you might be better advised
to use one of the file compression utilities like WinRar to pack the
files into one distributable file.

This utility (there are others, current versions of WinZip, WinACE etc.
offer similar functions to the ones I'm describing) can create a self-
extracting PC executable if that's what you want at the touch of one
button.

Interestingly, it can also pack files into a compressed (or non-
compressed - your choice) archive in many other common formats including
several that Macs should be able to read straight off the disk.

I also believe that STUFFIT is widely used on Macs - there is a PC
version of this that I used once to get some files from a Mac. It
probably does a similar job in the other direction.

This might be a solution all round. If you want web sites or further
info, just shout.

Hope this helps.

Regards


Stuffit I believe can handle zip files and you can format floppies on
a mac to DOS/windows format. So if you zipped the disc image you
should be able to extract it to a floppy for the purposes described
from a mac.

Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com

On 11 Jul 2004 21:11:38 -0400, (Mike Rivers) wrote:


In article writes:

I never actually "run" those self-extracting .exe files, because,
well there's no guarantee it's not Something Else. It's always
openable with Winzip or the old command-line pkzip, though you may
have to rename it to .zip, which I think is a very good idea anyway,
so no one will be tempted to RUN it.

That's certainly a good philosophy if you receive a file like that in
an e-mail message, or get one from somoene you don't know, but geez,
you gotta trust SOMEONE here. You'd think that a file that came on a
CD along with a book would be what it says it is, and nothing more.

On the other hand, I recall when some edition of a major program was
shipped with a virus that installaed when you installed the program.
Apparently a disgruntled employee left it as a parting gift.

As often as not, this kind of thing actually happens when a developer's
machine got infected with the virus, and it attached itself to a file
distributed with the product.

On 11 Jul 2004 21:11:38 -0400, (Mike Rivers) wrote:


In article writes:

I never actually "run" those self-extracting .exe files, because,
well there's no guarantee it's not Something Else. It's always
openable with Winzip or the old command-line pkzip, though you may
have to rename it to .zip, which I think is a very good idea anyway,
so no one will be tempted to RUN it.

That's certainly a good philosophy if you receive a file like that in
an e-mail message, or get one from somoene you don't know, but geez,
you gotta trust SOMEONE here. You'd think that a file that came on a
CD along with a book would be what it says it is, and nothing more.

On the other hand, I recall when some edition of a major program was
shipped with a virus that installaed when you installed the program.
Apparently a disgruntled employee left it as a parting gift.

As often as not, this kind of thing actually happens when a developer's
machine got infected with the virus, and it attached itself to a file
distributed with the product.

On Jul 10, 2004, Mike Rivers commented:

Should I feel guilty for my lack of Mac knowledge or sympathy, or
should I just say "OK, here's what I can do for you. Take it from
there or find another solution."?
--------------------------------snip----------------------------------

I'm as Mac-bigoted as they come. But at the same time, no WAY do I pretend
that it's anything but a Windows world out there.

I have to own several Windows machines just to maintain compatibility with
the outside world, in my life and in my various businesses. I don't pretend
that Macs are best for everything, even though I prefer to use them as much
as I can. I find I actually know more about using Windows than most of the
Windows people I know (sadly).

Tell the user they should just buy a cheap Windows XP machine for $300, and
keep it around for times like this, when they need it.


--MFW
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