William Sommerwerck wrote:

At the last Stereophile writers' meeting I attended, at least 15 years ago, John
Atkinson asked an intelligent question. To wit...

"Why is it that some mounts are supposed to isolate the amp/CD player, etc, from
the surface they're on, while others couple it tightly to the surface (cones, in
particular), yet both approaches claim improved sound?"

I suggested that one way to find out would be to play an impulse from a CD
through a speaker in front of the player. (A similar experiment to test
amplifiers could be done with a pulse generator feeding the amp.) You could then
look at the pulse's spectrum and decay (at the player's or amp's output) using a
variety of isolation devices, no isolation at all, and with no speaker at all
(as a reference). This should show whether CD players, etc, are meaningfully
microphonic, and whether isolation devices have any effect.

John thought that was a good idea. Then he said the thing that forever made me
lose respect for his "understanding" of science.

"But what if there's no difference between the isolating devices?"

God, what will those who advertise such items in the
magazine think, and worse yet, do?

In case this isn't clear... You don't assume the result before performing an
experiment. Indeed, it's often better to perform an experiment simply to see
what happens, rather than trying to "prove" or "disprove" something.

I doubt that John ever performed the experiment. I am guilty, too, of failing to
follow through on subjective observations with controlled experiments.

I forgive you, and, believe it or not, forgive John, too.

Incidentally, I wrote an article for Stereo Review Magazine
about three decades back where I did pretty much as you
indicated, but did so with an LP record player instead of a
CD player, with the human ears as the evaluation tool.

I even showed how someone could use their record player to
rather carefully evaluate the feedback. The player
essentially would behave as a microphone that would clearly
determine just how much of an audible problem feedback would
be. Often, the feedback was fairly strong, but not always,
depending upon how well isolated the turntable would be from
the mounting base. I even evaluated how audible feedback
from footfalls near a record player would be.

With CD players, I would hazard that the only artifact that
would possibly be audible would be gross mistracking. If
that did not occur, probably the feedback would be
inaudible.

However, like you I have not done that experiment.

Howard Ferstler

Steven SullivanTweako amp designer Mark Levinson has been touting
those 'results' for some
years now...most recently in a published
'roundtable' in The Absolute Sound. The polite silence from the other
members
of the roundtable was rather telling...even TAS has its limits. "

I don't think Mark Levinson actually designs I think he's a marketer. I
know he's famous for a sex manual he wrote with wife Kim Cattrall. I
should say ex-wife... who buys a sex manual from a married couple who
broke up??

wrote:

Our whole society has the biggest snake oil jones of all....that the
new and improved consumer product really _ is_ an improvement.

Very often it is.

Usually
each new generation of consumer product-and often commercial ones as
well- are mixed improvements.

Yep.

Ask any VCR tech (I should say _former_
VCR tech) who will explained how the early toploaders were nearly
indestructible and highly repairable with crude electronic performance,
the early frontloaders were well made and superior in performance, and
current ones are low end ****boxes that are not even worth opening for
cleaning, they are totally nonrepairable plus being inferior
electronically. TV sets and car radios have worse RF sections than late
tube and mid-life solid state ones. Cars have engine and transmission
castings far less rugged and rebuildable than cars of 40, 30, or even
20 years ago.

Your last sentence is preposterous. I drove cars that far
back, and today's versions are head and shoulders better,
and that includes reliability. Statistics put out by
Consumer's Union over the last few decades support this
point, by the way. Cars are more reliable than ever, not to
mention cleaner burning and more fuel efficient.

Howard Ferstler

After seeing that link, I have to say that there should be government
regulations about audio equipment. I have never seen good physics of
electronics be able to be applied in such a fashion!

--

Jerry G.
=====

"Mike Diack" wrote in message
.. .

And the winner is.....
http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Me.../merchant.mvc?
Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NOB_C37_C&Category_Code=V OLUME&Product_Count=2

A number of years ago, I have seen something called a "CD Demagnetizer".
Yet, there is nothing magnetic about an optical CD. The seller of this,
really did some fancy explanations about this one.

Another one that I see from time to time, are AC cords for several hundred
dollars that are supposed to make the sound more accurate, and have less
noise. But, when questioned about the electrical system in the house, the
seller of these did a lot of skating around the question.

Many years ago, another one I saw was a special flashlight that should be
shined on CD disk before playing it. The idea was to neutralize any optical
noise patterns that can be formed on the disk. This special flashlight was
selling for about $100. The replacement lamps were $10, and the enhanced
batteries were something like $20 each.

There is another little gadget that I have not seen for a while. This one is
the cell phone bug. It is supposed to reduce dangerous radiation, and give
better reception. It looks like a little bug that the user sticks on to his
or her phone, located near to the antenna. I wonder if this one was pulled
from the market.



--

Jerry G.
=====

"Agent_C" wrote in message
oups.com...
I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story...

Mine comes from Lyric HiFi here in New York, when they tried to sell me
little coin size metallic stickers. At $250.00 each, they supposedly
improved the sound by "dampening the field-effect resonance" on your
individual components. What??? I could hardly contain my laughter!

Then there was the afternoon at Sound by Singer (a more appropriate
name for this rug merchant would be 'Sound by Swindler'), where he had
a customer convinced his prospective $500,000.00 system was so precise,
that one could actually distinguish between two identically titled CD's
- by the subtle differences on the pitted surface of the disk.

I'm not even going to start sharing what salesmen have said while
trying to sell me cables...

A_C

Powell wrote:

"Arny Krueger" wrote

I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story...

Recently I got John Atkinson of Stereophile to confirm
that SP ran an article about the sonic advantages of
treating CDs with Armor All. In fact the result was
damaged CDs.

Is that what you and Atkinson are going to debate at the
show... Armor All?

It would be best if, rather than the DBT protocol, they
debated:

1) Epistemology.
2) Ethics.

Howard Ferstler

"Paul Stamler" wrote in message


Some of you may be old enough to remember the "deltoid test" flap. In
the early days of digital recording, a clinical psychologist (was his
name Diamond?) claimed that digital recordings agitated his patients,
while analog recordings calmed them. He proved that by employing the
"deltoid test", borrowed from chiropractic.

Very close. Dr. Diamond was a chiropractic doctor. The deltoid test is
apparently a pretty standard Chiropractic test

http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/16/14/31.html


In that test, the subject stands with arms outstretched; the
experimenter suddenly presses downward. Whether or not the subject
can resist tells the experimenter something about his/her muscle
tone, and presumably other things like stress level. The good doctor
found that when subjects listened to digital recordings, they showed
much lower muscle tone than when they listened to analog recordings.

The essence of the of Clark's retest was to perform the Deltoid test under
double blind conditions. This was printed as part of the notes from a
section meeting in Detroit.

Now, it's not entirely outside of the realm of possibility that
digital recordings might have subtle physiological effects. And it's
certainly possible that the deltoid test might be detecting real
physiological effects, whether or not they might be connected to what
the subject was listening to.

Under double blind testing conditions, the results were random guessing.

But when the doctor cautioned that it was well-known in the world of
chiropractic that the effects of the deltoid test would be skewed if
there was refined sugar anywhere in the room, that's when it was time
for the horselaugh.

Welcome to chiropractic. Nice people but you have to check your mind at the
door.

On 3 Mar 2005 05:43:04 -0800, "Agent_C"
wrote:

I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story...

I'm not even going to start sharing what salesmen have said while
trying to sell me cables...

I had a salesman try and convince me that the three foot RCA cable I
had in hand wouldn't transfer S/PDIF info, because it was an analog
cable.

Not because it was the wrong type of connector (which it wasn't) but
because the cable would only transfer analog electricity.

I snickered all the way out of the store.
jtougas

listen- there's a hell of a good universe next door
let's go

e.e. cummings

In rec.audio.tech james wrote:
In article ,
TimPerry wrote:

remember the "ZeroStat" gun for records?

I remember that it worked quite well if you used it properly.
And used improperly it also did a fine job of getting your kid sister
out of your room.

What do you mean "improperly?" Seems to me that that was EXACTLY the
primary designed use for it. :-)

Here is one I made up once:

WAVE ENHANCE is an antispurious ion wave charged aerosol spray to
improve the
acoustic wave transmission in any normal listening room. Just spray
this
special aerosol formula before any intense listening session and you
won't
believe the improvement in sound wave transmission. Deeper lows,
smoother mids
and oh such sweet highs that give you the tingles. Many high end
speaker
manufacturers were spraying their listening rooms with our spray at the
last
CES.


Only $12.99 per 12 oz can.


OK, this was JUST A JOKE for all you guys who debate speaker wire and
cable
sound! Hope you enjoyed it.


Now for some SERIOUS used audio deals please visit:


http://members.aol.com/KDresch/audio.net.html

Yeah but when they do break-they're done for. Or at least that
assembly is.

The small block Chevy is still in production (as the GM corporate Gen
III V8) but there's nothing inherently better about the core engine
being produced today. Anyone who builds hot rod or racing engines
prefers the Gen I blocks, heads, cranks and rods over the new ones.
They do last longer in the stock application because EFI engines don't
dribble raw gas over the cylinder walls during shutdown, and because
oils and filters have improved. But with modern closed loop EFI and a
catalyst just about any old engine would meet today's emissions
standards.

Now when a car refuses to start it is generally summarily towed to the
dealer. Tow fees are at an all time high although most people have
motor club towing.

As has been pointed out a large number of electronics geniuses drive
old nonelectronic cars. Pease has his VW and Jim Williams used todrive
an Alfa of pre-Graduate vintage. Of course, they live in California.

"Jerry G." wrote ...
There is another little gadget that I have not seen for a while. This one
is
the cell phone bug. It is supposed to reduce dangerous radiation, and give
better reception. It looks like a little bug that the user sticks on to
his
or her phone, located near to the antenna. I wonder if this one was pulled
from the market.

http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bi....cgi?item=PA-5

In rec.audio.tech Steven Sullivan wrote:

Tweako amp designer Mark Levinson has been touting those 'results' for some
years now...most recently in a published
'roundtable' in The Absolute Sound. The polite silence from the other members
of the roundtable was rather telling...even TAS has its limits.

I was going to take offence at your claim of Mark Levinson being a 'tweako
amp designer.' After all, his stuff may have been outrageously overdesigned,
but it was solid, technical stuff.

Now I find that he's slipped into the world of glass bottles and magic
wire. Sigh.

In article .com,
wrote:

I don't think Mark Levinson actually designs I think he's a marketer. I
know he's famous for a sex manual he wrote with wife Kim Cattrall. I
should say ex-wife... who buys a sex manual from a married couple who
broke up??

My ex-girlfriend did. Waaaaait a minute.....


Francois.

In rec.audio.pro,
rec.audio.tech and
rec.audio.marketplace,
on 3 Mar 2005 05:43:04 -0800, "Agent_C"
wrote:

I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story...

There's the person who is posting to (among others) the pro audio
newsgroup selling the "MP3's of the '70's", 8-track cartridges and
record/playback equipment...

A_C

-----
http://mindspring.com/~benbradley

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:15:56 GMT, John wrote:

...

I confess to having a set of these ceramic doodads for my little Tannoys,
bought soley because the Tannoy tech folks said they indeed were worth
having. At $5 a set I wasn;t worried for the experiment.
I'm still not sure if the black ones sound darker than the brown ones.

If they do it's probably synesthesia.

-----
http://mindspring.com/~benbradley

In rec.audio.tech Colin B. wrote:
In rec.audio.tech Steven Sullivan wrote:

Tweako amp designer Mark Levinson has been touting those 'results' for some
years now...most recently in a published
'roundtable' in The Absolute Sound. The polite silence from the other members
of the roundtable was rather telling...even TAS has its limits.

I was going to take offence at your claim of Mark Levinson being a 'tweako
amp designer.' After all, his stuff may have been outrageously overdesigned,
but it was solid, technical stuff.

He didn't design anything. John Curl and Peter Burwen did the 70's stuff.
Tom Coangelo (sp?) did the stuff after that and who knows whose done the
design since. Chances are it wasn't Levinson.

This is typical of the 'high end.' Saul Marantz didn't design anything
either. Sid Smith and Dick Sequerra did the technical work for him.

In article , "Agent_C"
wrote:

I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story...


Thank you for again drawing attention to the few but prolific (like roaches)
scammers here!

Here is the summary of 'snake oil' scammers flushed out here, thanks to
DEPUTY'S like yourself!

PERIODIC LISTING-QUESTIONABLE SELLERS & UNLICENSED DEALERS & PROVEN SCAMMERS
----------------------------------------------------------------------------


SCAMMERS EJECTED FROM USENET BY GROUP ACTION
--------------------------------------------

RANDYSSTEREOOUTLET.COM
SOUND EMPORIUM
AUDIO TWEAKERS
TEKLINEAUDIO.COM & MR-CABLE.COM
PERROTTACONSULTING & MUSICTOOLS-USA.COM
DAVID & CAROL MORETTO THEAUDIODEPT.COM/DISCOUNTS-N-DEALS.COM/CARDIFFROSE.NET
HOLOMAXX CABLES
AUDIOESSENTIALS - TORONTO ONTARIO
DOCDVD.COM
SAVANT AUDIO JOSHUA CINTRON AND MARY MALLERY
RICHARD MARKS DESIGN AKA GOOD AUDIO


& aka TARGET HIFI

KLJ TECHNOLOGIES
GRESH AUDIO
PUT SEUNSOM
COASTLINE CABLES
LOWTHERSPEAKERS.COM
TREVOR STOREY - NEWARK
MOON AUDIO HIGHERFI.COM

SCAMMERS REMAIN, ALONG WITH THE DARK MASTER, ROBERT MOREIN. EVER VIGILANT!


RANDYSSTEREOOUTLET.COM BOGGSTUBE (EBAY) RANDY AND PATRICIA BOGGESS
----------------------------------------------------------------------

LAWSUITS FILED AGAINST RANDY'S STEREO OUTLET - WV ORDERS BUSINESS CLOSED

**WEST VIRGINIA AUTHORITIES FILE LAWSUIT AGAINST BOGGESS, TV REPORTERS CHASE
HIM DOWN STREET AS HE HIDES LIKE THE SICK INDIVIDUAL HE IS***

WEBSITE AVAILABLE TO ORGANIZE THOSE SCAMMED AND GET THESE CHARLATANS PUT IN
JAIL WHERE THEY BELONG -

http://www.monkeyfreak.com/RSO.htm

SCAMMER GIVEN SUSPENDED JAIL SENTENCE BUT APPARENTLY STILL ACTIVE -BEWARE!

W ENTERPRISES NORTHWEST
-----------------------

Maybe Mr. WENW Donald Winslow can explain why his corporate registration has
been cancelled?

http://sos-venus.sos.state.or.us:808...rch_inq.show_d
etl?p_be_rsn=331097&p_srce=BR_INQ&p_print=FALSE

Maybe he can also "explain" why the State of Oregon shows him going into
business, and then out of business, at least three times!

Business Address of 3439 NE Sandy Blvd is in fact a MAIL BOXES ETC maildrop.

The city of Portland Oregon has NO business license and has begun an
investigation.

ACTIVE SCAMMER ALERT!
---------------------

SOUND EMPORIUM
--------------
Robert Benson
Suzanne Manka

Are the likely culprits, although they are hiding behind layers of anonymous
email addresses.
Service? Nope. Support? Nope.

No phone number. No verifiable email address. Hiding behind sockpuppets
and anonymous email servers isn't the hallmark of a "quality" vendor.

Claims to offer "the consistently lowest price available on-line"

"Consistently Low"? What a laugher. Others are far lower on Ebay and
elsewhere.

Except "Robert Benson" was ejected from TCInternet. Also ejected from Ebay,
wherethey established another account and loaded it up with phony "praise".
A known scammer tactic used to support the scam.

The St. Paul city treasurer's office, can find no such business
registered in St. Paul! The only two words people know with "sound
emporium" is "certified scamsters"!!!

Then there is what SENNHEISER USA has said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"This outfit is not an authorized Sennheiser Dealer and as such we
cannot guarantee the authenticity or the legitimacy of this product
offering. I suggest you purchase your HD600 from one of our authorized
dealers in order to secure legitimate, factory fresh product."

Sincerely,

Robert G. Douglas
Manager, Consumer Electronics
Sennheiser Electronic Corp.


BOB MOREIN
----------
GUILTY of protecting scammers and fraudsters, and attacking those that have
made such great strides toward protecting the innocent scammed by these
frauds!

Bob Morein is an unemployed and unemployable 40 year old alleged pederast
living in his daddy's house in Dresher, Pennsylvania, a wealthy suburb or
Philadelphia.

He is conducting his life in a most unseemly manner; despite numerous
entreaties from his father and recently deceased mother, he continues to
live in the same sorry 10' x 12' room in Dresher, PA. The parent's proud
jewish hopes of an intellectual son were dashed when he was denied a degree
at Drexel University, and subsequently demanded daddy fund a lawsuit. . . A
true vision of integrity (hahahahaha).

And the courts found explicitly against Morein, showing him as the lying
twisted individual we have all come to know. In fact, court documents point
to witness credibility being critical to their decision. And keep in mind,
this case was reviewed by appeals courts!

These allegations have made him a new target for the lawsuits of those who
have been subject to this slander and libel.

Seems like there are many standing in line for their "pound of unleavened
flesh" from this king of the charlatans and scammers.Registrant:
Robert Morein
501 Edgehill Road
Suite A9
Glenside, PA 19025-1238
US
2123888287


Registered at daddy's office, btw.

HIGHENDAUDIO.COM
----------------
Owned by a pitiful shell of a man, Ted has had so many lines pulled from him
he has decided to list used gear on his website.


AUDIOBUYS
---------
This seller has NEGATIVE rating on Ebay! No business license from District
of Columbia, required for all retail sellers.


-----------------
Not listed as authorised dealer, although he claims to have "new" products
with no rational explanation. Manufacturers all deny he's a dealer

Warranty? Stolen? Who knows?


**RESULT: EJECTED FROM USENET**


---------------
Not listed as authorised dealer, although he claims to have "new" products
with no rational explanation. Manufacturers all deny he's a dealer

**RESULT: EJECTED FROM USENET**

I still like the Tice Clock. You plug in this cheesy (but way
overpriced) digital clock, and the audio quality all over your house
improves.

I often wondered why its effect wouldn't propagate to my neighbors'
homes. At least to the next pole transformer, right?

Tice also offered a processing service: you could pass a CD through
some big machine and it would come out sounding better. No mention of
whether said machine could be used to, for example, improve sexual
performance. But now we're back to Levinson...
--
- rick http://www.cfcl.com/~rick/
Rick Auricchio Acoustic Legacy Studios
....owner, engineer, solder jockey, caterer, janitor, session bassist.
Everyone has the right to be stupid; some just abuse the privilege.

On 3 Mar 2005 18:03:52 -0800, wrote:

Our whole society has the biggest snake oil jones of all....that the
new and improved consumer product really _ is_ an improvement. Usually
each new generation of consumer product-and often commercial ones as
well- are mixed improvements. Ask any VCR tech (I should say _former_
VCR tech) who will explained how the early toploaders were nearly
indestructible and highly repairable with crude electronic performance,
the early frontloaders were well made and superior in performance, and
current ones are low end ****boxes that are not even worth opening for
cleaning, they are totally nonrepairable plus being inferior
electronically. TV sets and car radios have worse RF sections than late
tube and mid-life solid state ones. Cars have engine and transmission
castings far less rugged and rebuildable than cars of 40, 30, or even
20 years ago.

On the other hand, you can now buy a CD burner for your computer that
works pretty good for $30. Electronic products tend to be ever
cheaper, even adjusted for inflation. I agree about the build
quality, but with cars part of the problem is trying to get fuel
economy with lighter weight.

Al

On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:28:09 -0800, "Richard Crowley"
wrote:

"Jerry G." wrote ...
There is another little gadget that I have not seen for a while. This one
is
the cell phone bug. It is supposed to reduce dangerous radiation, and give
better reception. It looks like a little bug that the user sticks on to
his
or her phone, located near to the antenna. I wonder if this one was pulled
from the market.

http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bi....cgi?item=PA-5


Yeah that's the antenna, but there is another product that you would
stick over the little speaker that was supposed to protect your brain
waves from the cell phone waves.

Al

On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 21:58:09 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Paul Stamler" wrote in message


Some of you may be old enough to remember the "deltoid test" flap. In
the early days of digital recording, a clinical psychologist (was his
name Diamond?) claimed that digital recordings agitated his patients,
while analog recordings calmed them. He proved that by employing the
"deltoid test", borrowed from chiropractic.

Very close. Dr. Diamond was a chiropractic doctor. The deltoid test is
apparently a pretty standard Chiropractic test

It is also often used by Naturapaths and others...

Al

"Howard Ferstler" wrote in message
...


It would be best if, rather than the DBT protocol, they
debated:


2) Ethics.

I admire your willingness to learn something
completely new.



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"Howard Ferstler" wrote in message...

Your last sentence is preposterous. I drove cars that far
back, and today's versions are head and shoulders better,
and that includes reliability. Statistics put out by
Consumer's Union over the last few decades support this
point, by the way. Cars are more reliable than ever, not to
mention cleaner burning and more fuel efficient.


Well... I suppose the subject *is* Snake Oil.... ;-)


His last sentence is pretty much righteously correct. The vast
majority of todays automobiles are simply 'disposable'.

If you take a full 1000 pounds of weight out of assembly, of course
you've improved 'efficiency'. If you add another 100 pounds of
rediculous, governmentally required emissions control devices,
of course they burn cleaner, at a vastly increased price tag.

The engine blocks are 65% aluminium, so they set and creak
themselves back into shape as they cool down. And for this
reason (lighter in weight) they appear to generate greater fuel
economy because there's less weight to haul down the road.

The bodies are made predominately of plastic; again adding to
'efficiency' due to light weight, and economy simply because
it's cheaper than metal.... but don't have a serious accident in
one. If you survive, you'll just have to throw it away anyhow.

Now... tell me all about the affordability and efficiency of a "Hummer".....


DM

"Agent_C" wrote in message
oups.com...
Then there was the afternoon at Sound by Singer (a more appropriate
name for this rug merchant would be 'Sound by Swindler'), where he had
a customer convinced his prospective $500,000.00 system was so precise,
that one could actually distinguish between two identically titled CD's
- by the subtle differences on the pitted surface of the disk.

Possible if the differences were not so subtle, ie. lots of C2 errors.
Getting a new CD would cost less than $500K though :-)

MrT.

"Colin B." wrote in message
...
I figure that someone with an equal mix of cynicism and ethics decided to
get into the tweaker market, but decided to come up with something so
utterly
outrageous that they couldn't feel guilty about fooling anyone incredulous
enough to believe them.

That's my take, anyone so utterly gullible as to be fooled by crap so
outrageous, and has money to waste on it in the first place, deserves to be
conned.
The charlatan may have a better use for the money at least.

MrT.

wrote in message
oups.com...
I
know he's famous for a sex manual he wrote with wife Kim Cattrall. I
should say ex-wife... who buys a sex manual from a married couple who
broke up??

Even worse is buying a relationship manual like "Women are from Mars, Men
are from Venus" (or is it vice versa?) from someone who is divorced :-)

MrT.

"Harvey Gerst" wrote in message
...
The current "SBEM"* rate of 1 is still probably about the same as it was
in P.T. Barnum's day,

I disagree, I think the rate increased during the baby boom, and therefore
the total is a lot higher now than in P.T's day.

MrT.

Steven Sullivan wrote:

I wonder, how many such devices have ended up on Stereophile's
'Recommended Components' list?

We could also wonder _how_ many such devices ended up there. g

I subscribed for a year. The language made me lightheaded.

--
ha

Mark wrote:

My favorites are those little teflon sticks being sold to audiofools to
support speaker cables up off and away from the lossy dielectric
plastic fibers in your carpet.

Actually, those are just to make it easier to vacuum clean the carpet.

--
ha

wrote:

Here is one I made up once:

WAVE ENHANCE is an antispurious ion wave charged aerosol spray to
improve the
acoustic wave transmission in any normal listening room. Just spray
this
special aerosol formula before any intense listening session and you
won't
believe the improvement in sound wave transmission. Deeper lows,
smoother mids
and oh such sweet highs that give you the tingles. Many high end
speaker
manufacturers were spraying their listening rooms with our spray at the
last
CES.

THC in a spraycan! "Total 'Hancement Conditioner"

--
ha

"hank alrich" wrote in message .. .
Mark wrote:

My favorites are those little teflon sticks being sold to audiofools to
support speaker cables up off and away from the lossy dielectric
plastic fibers in your carpet.

Actually, those are just to make it easier to vacuum clean the carpet.


NO.... You can't vacuum the carpet! The motor in the vacuum cleaner
creates an electromagnetic field that will cause you to have to go out and
spend $100,000 on little miracle devices to clean that horrible magnetic
mess off of your entire stereo system.... if the salesman doesn't convince
you first that you have to just replace the whole thing. You've 'exposed'
the electrons to confusion and they're... um... well, confused!

"hank alrich" wrote in message...

THC in a spraycan! "Total 'Hancement Conditioner"


Do you children read your jokes? g

David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
The bodies are made predominately of plastic; again adding to
'efficiency' due to light weight, and economy simply because
it's cheaper than metal.... but don't have a serious accident in
one. If you survive, you'll just have to throw it away anyhow.

If I'm in any significant accident at all, whether I have to throw
away my car and buy a totally new one afterwards is sooooo far
back on the list of priorities, that it really doesn't matter.
If some design change increases the cost of damage by $100 per
accident on average and it also decreases the likelihood of being
sent to the hospital (or dying) by 1%, then it's worth it. A
friend of mine went to the hospital for a minor food poisoning
thing a few months ago, and it was $6000 just for one night.

The cost of repairing a car, even if you just look at the
economics, is so much lower than the cost of repairing a human
that you should pretty much consider the car disposable in any
kind of major accident. And that doesn't count that you can
replace a totalled car, but you can't replace a totalled human.

- Logan

On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 06:26:31 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
wrote:

The vast
majority of todays automobiles are simply 'disposable'.

However most of today's vehicles run a lot longer with far less
attention.

Al

"Logan Shaw" wrote in message ...
David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
The bodies are made predominately of plastic; again adding to
'efficiency' due to light weight, and economy simply because
it's cheaper than metal.... but don't have a serious accident in
one. If you survive, you'll just have to throw it away anyhow.

If I'm in any significant accident at all, whether I have to throw
away my car and buy a totally new one afterwards is sooooo far
back on the list of priorities, that it really doesn't matter.
If some design change increases the cost of damage by $100 per
accident on average and it also decreases the likelihood of being
sent to the hospital (or dying) by 1%, then it's worth it. A
friend of mine went to the hospital for a minor food poisoning
thing a few months ago, and it was $6000 just for one night.

The cost of repairing a car, even if you just look at the
economics, is so much lower than the cost of repairing a human
that you should pretty much consider the car disposable in any
kind of major accident. And that doesn't count that you can
replace a totalled car, but you can't replace a totalled human.

- Logan

Good point. That's why I still drive an '87 LTD Crown Vic. I weigh
a full 1/2 Ton more than almost anything on the road, I'm surrounded
totally by steel, and as 8 cylinders go... it's still affordable to operate.
It was paid for over 10 years ago and full coverage insurance with
very high limits is super affordable. I'm about to break the 200,000
mile marker and the car looks just a few years old and runs that way,
too. (No snake oil there... just solid Canadian workmanship).

DM

"Mike Diack" wrote in message
.. .

And the winner is.....
http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Me.../merchant.mvc?
Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NOB_C37_C&Category_Code=V OLUME&Product_Count=2

Man, you beat me to it.

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
...
The most outrageous and shameless
snake-oil site I've been pointed to recently is:

http://www.machinadynamica.com/

I think that site wins. I especially like this about the "intelligent chip":

"If left on top of the player, the Chip will not function until the next
disc to be upgraded is inserted in the player and played. If you attempt to
upgrade a disc that has already been upgraded, the Chip will "sense" that
the disc is already upgraded and spend no energy on it, thus avoiding using
the Chip unnecessarily. Always store the Chip in its protective case, well
away from the player."

"play on" wrote in message ...
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 06:26:31 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
wrote:

The vast
majority of todays automobiles are simply 'disposable'.

However most of today's vehicles run a lot longer with far less
attention.

Al'


I guess that's why leasing is such a big boom these days - get a
new one every year or two and never think about it.

Please see my other post this thread.... almost 200,000 miles!

"TimPerry" wrote in message
news
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...4784 836&rd=1


the usual "magic wire" scam.. just under $3,000 for two 6 ft wires....
but
you get a nice box too.... and serial numbers!


When your speaker wires come in their own polished wooden case with a
leatherette handle and plush-lined molded interior it should be a clue
you've crossed into Cuckooland.