In article writes:

So you've heard them? Are they a significant improvement over the old
smaller mixers?

By the way, "significant improvement" can mean a lot of different
things. To me, an API would be a significant improvement. I think my
Soundcraft 600 sounds a little better in some respects than my Mackie
1402 VLZ Pro, but the Mackie is quieter than the Soundcraft. Some
would say that's significant.

To me, an API would be a "significant improvement" over what I have,
but I'm not going to buy one.


--
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lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
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Hassan Ansari wrote:
I was looking at this cool little thing too:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MEWA:IT
What you think?


I'm sure for somebody that would be a lot of fun, but I wouldn't be trying
to make a living with it. Some other name brands come to mind:
Hasbro...Ronco...Casiotone..... G

Jeff Jasper
Jeff Jasper Productions, West Funroe, La.

In article .com,
"www.HassanAnsari.com - Writer / Singer / Rapper / Producer"
wrote:

You want me to upload multiple 30MB wave files for you then and make
all the people with 56Kbps wait over 5 hours to download them everytime
I upload new ones? The changes in quality are easily noticeable through
128 kbps mp3. I'm not an idiot...you're just deaf if you can't hear the
differences. As a matter of fact, I am almost positive I know a WHOLE
lot more than you do about computers...I've taken local college level
classes. I know what I'm doing, so if you aren't trying to help, don't
post. If you are trying to make a point, say it with a little respect.
How about..."I can't really judge the quality at that much compression
rate, can you upload them at a higher bitrate?"


I've tried to remain quiet throughout this discussion, but I think this
mandates a response:

I'm not sure how you think you know a lot about computers if you think
that a 128kbps mp3 really can transfer the subtler differences in
recording technique. The mp3 algorithm uses a lot of psychoacoustic
techniques to kill and then partially reconstruct information it thinks
you're less likely to hear. At 128kbps it doesn't do a very good job if
listening on any sort of high quality equipment.

As for your own knowledge level and deafness factor, let me remind you
that a few days ago you posted that you didn't know what most of the
knobs on your Eureka did and that turning them didn't seem to make any
difference. Please read up on compression and EQ so at least you know
what you're doing when you follow the directions given to you here. Then
once you've done that for at least 5 years, you can feel free to
disrespect the pros. I myself have been in sound for a couple years now
and still wouldn't post the kind of crap you've been writing.

As for your music, I think your problem isn't a mic problem so much as a
mix problem, as a few others have mentioned. Like I said, read up on
compression and EQ. Simplify your incoming signal chain. You seem to
have some money at your disposal, so why not try recording some tracks,
burning them on a data CD, and hiring a local engineer at a studio to
mix them while you watch. See if the professional mixer gets better
results. Ask him to explain what and why he's doing while he's doing it.
If you're paying him by the hour, I'm sure he won't mind.

As for your piano, it sounds kind of scratchy/undefined/thin on the
attack. This could very well be an mp3 problem, as it's most prevalent
on the highs. This is coming from a trained classical pianist though, so
maybe you like that articulation problem.

Hope that helps
-Todd

In article .com writes:

You want me to upload multiple 30MB wave files for you then and make
all the people with 56Kbps wait over 5 hours to download them everytime
I upload new ones?

Why not just compile a few examples and offer to mail CDs out to those
who have expressed an interest in hearing them?

Once we're on line, we forget quickly that there ever was an off-line.

--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

www.HassanAnsari.com - Writer / Singer / Rapper / Producer wrote:
...I'm not an idiot...you're just deaf if you can't hear the
differences. As a matter of fact, I am almost positive I know a WHOLE
lot more than you do about computers...I've taken local college level
classes. I know what I'm doing, so if you aren't trying to help,
don't
post. If you are trying to make a point, say it with a little
respect.
How about..."I can't really judge the quality at that much
compression
rate, can you upload them at a higher bitrate?"

How about, "you are the funniest thing about RAP this month and I hope
you never have to go back to school so you can keep posting all the
time." Seriously, I've been wasting so much time following these
posts, I just search on "Hassan" every morning and the next thing I
know I've been laughing for like 45 minutes...

respectfully,

Andrew

Todd Lipcon wrote:

I've tried to remain quiet throughout this discussion, but I think this
mandates a response:

Yes, it is hard when you have a kid coming here thinking that he knows
way more than he does and with music that he claims is "the ****" when
in fact it is about as amateurish as it comes.

Well, if anyone was going to do it besides me, it would have been Tonebarge.
What a talent.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"agent86" wrote in message
...
Roger W. Norman wrote:

No, I said "turn up the damned vocals"! g

But I have to admit that I put a tune on the last RAP CD when the
trumpet
player (well, I thought he was going to play trumpet on this one) used
the
SM7 for a very small harp, which he proceeded to tear up on "I'd Love
Me".
Check it out. I'll bet it's the only time an SM7 has been used for
harmonica.


Or maybe not:

http://www.hoohahrecords.com/rap/vol.../tonebarge.htm

I never dissed the pros Todd. I'm asking for the pros' help. Some of
the "pros" are keep trying to put me down for no reason. I didn't say I
knew more than him in audio, I said in computers. He thinks he is a
genius insulting me like I don't know a thing....I was just trying to
prove a point....I'm not as dumb as some people may think. I know the
difference between a simple wave and mp3 file and I also know that the
differences in my tracks are easily noticeable with mp3 format. I
wasn't trying to be rude, I was trying to make him stop being rude.

Thanks Andrew. I'm glad you are entertained. At least I know I'm not
boring.

You're description of being quite far, at 16" with a decent mic, shows
somewhat of your perception of your problems. Either the Baby Bottle or the
K2 should work fine within a range of about 24" even for vocals, assuming
the room is of sufficient quiet and has reasonable room acoustics, of which
you've already said isn't the case. I wouldn't want to use a Baby Bottle on
vocal, but certainly could do so in a pinch, but if you've been working on
close miking the vocal, you've probably created some of your problem right
there.

Also, normalization is a technique, not a necessity, and this could be
causing some of your problems too. Instead, try mixing your tracks without
normalizing anything and take the output stereo tracks and run them through
a reasonably decent compression plugin, hitting it just hard enough and have
the output set to act as a brick wall limiter, but still allowing some
dynamic range. You may/should have your output meters set up to give you
the greatest spread of the signal and preferrably have average RMS and peak
hold set up so that you can see what's going on, but just don't play with
that damned normalization and don't depend on what you see on the screen.
If all peaks are raised to the level of the most prevalent peak you've lost
anything like dynamics in your track, which, if it's voice, means that all
the nuance you've put into the singing is now gone. If you use your eyes
rather than your ears you are doomed to miss the idea of an audio mix.

And don't make the mistake of thinking that louder means it sounds better.
It might, but more often than not it's just louder.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"www.HassanAnsari.com - Writer / Singer / Rapper / Producer"
wrote in message
ups.com...
Oh, I've been trying that for the longest time. I actually made my best
recording yet using a ADK 51 with my Mackie (no Eureka, Baby Bottles or
Rode K2s). The technique I used....um I really don't know. I do
remember that I had the preamp gain quite high and was pretty far away
from the mic (maybe 16 inches). I had turned down the beat really low
in Audition and the vocals were being recorded at pretty normal volume
since I was quite far, not too loud and the gain was set pretty high.
Then at the end, I mixed the track down and normalized it at around 2db
so everything was louder (music and vocals) and it blended in pretty
well. I love how that recording turned out even though there are some
issues in it like hiss and slight distortion (my ADK was dropped too
many times).

www.HassanAnsari.com - Writer / Singer / Rapper / Producer wrote:
Can you give me a link to a site which carries the Soundcraft Delta
which you are talking about? I looked it up on Google and only found
consoles for like $6,000. Upgrading my Mackie to a slightly better
mixer wouldn't be a bad idea...I've had this thing for about 6 years.
I
was looking at A&H before...or even a new Mackie...I like the Mackie.
My friend will buy this one off me for about $200...so adding $500 or
so to that and getting a better qualiy mixer wouldn't hurt me.

Here's 2 Deltas on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...3638 529&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW
I have a Soundcraft Delta8, 8 bus and I like it.

rd

If I only had $200? I would consider the following. Rode NT1, AKG
C1000. Or I would by an SM57 or SM58 and a case of Odouls! Nothing
is set in stone, but it's been my experience that the really good mics
start at the $400-$500 dollar range, ATM 4033, Baby Bottle, KSM32. Rode
NTK, CAD. Don't forget how important that pre-amp is!

Best Wishes.

SongCzar wrote:
If I only had $200? I would consider the following. Rode NT1, AKG
C1000.

Crown C-700 or an Oktava from the Sound Room would seem a better pick
than either for a small diaphragm condenser in that price range.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

www.HassanAnsari.com - Writer / Singer / Rapper / Producer wrote:
Can you give me a link to a site which carries the Soundcraft Delta
which you are talking about? I looked it up on Google and only found
consoles for like $6,000. Upgrading my Mackie to a slightly better
mixer wouldn't be a bad idea...I've had this thing for about 6 years.
I
was looking at A&H before...or even a new Mackie...I like the Mackie.
My friend will buy this one off me for about $200...so adding $500 or
so to that and getting a better qualiy mixer wouldn't hurt me.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...8720 642&rd=1
rd

On 26 Jan 2005 17:03:16 -0800, "RD Jones" wrote:


www.HassanAnsari.com - Writer / Singer / Rapper / Producer wrote:
Can you give me a link to a site which carries the Soundcraft Delta
which you are talking about? I looked it up on Google and only found
consoles for like $6,000. Upgrading my Mackie to a slightly better
mixer wouldn't be a bad idea...I've had this thing for about 6 years.
I
was looking at A&H before...or even a new Mackie...I like the Mackie.
My friend will buy this one off me for about $200...so adding $500 or
so to that and getting a better qualiy mixer wouldn't hurt me.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...8720 642&rd=1
rd

That's a really great deal for someone, compare it to a Mackie that
costs twice as much. My 16 channel Delta was about that price but I
had to buy a new power for it too. (Mine has the cooler deluxe
modules though).

Al

My Delta 8 actually has modified Venue series
mic channels in it, plus a few original Delta 8 strips.
Functionally the same as the Delta 8 strips
(6 separate send knobs, 8 sub assigns)
and very similar to the Deluxe.
My Delta 8 also has the meter bridge which is
a nice feature that the 4 sub Deltas don't offer.

rd