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"John O" wrote in message .com...
1. Many cables are directional. Would that be for DC audio? I'm working on new a experiment involving directionality of cable. So far I've found that due to tool wear on the nanometric level of the dies that the wire is drawn through, wire is not formed perfectly cylindrical. In fact it is tapered like a funnel. When I place the small end of the cable at the amplifier and the larger end at the speaker the sound seems more spread out and spacious. When I reverse the cable so that the small end is now at the speaker and the large end is now at the amplifier, the sound becomes more focused. With an excessive taper this could even 'constrict' the sound going to the speakers. My new die design and special tool coatings have allowed me to produce the ultimate cable. The perfect blend of focus and spaciousness has finally been achieved! Special low harmonic machines have been built providing maximum reduction of physical imperfections in the form and finish of the wire. These physical harmonics are often the root cause of skewed imaging. If the diameter of the wire ripples along the surface of the wire like the rippled bend in a flexable drinking straw, the electrical energy alternates between spacious and focused. It's anyone's guess whether the wire is focused or spacious when it finally meets the speaker lug. This expansion and contraction of the sound jumbles the waveform producing a 'phasey' sound. All waviness on the surface of my wire has been reduced in frequency to a level where each wave is ten times smaller than a sound wave in air at 50Khz! Yes, you hear me right, a full order of magnatude smaller than a frequency twice that perceivable by many of the best in the audio community! Waviness height has also been minimized to provide rock solid imaging. Since special machines are being used and a new matched set of dies (I can match a quad set for bi-wiring) are used for each set of wire, the wire length is limited to a maximum of four meters. The price for a four meter pair is $50,000. Thank you, Peter |
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"Jakob B. Olsen" wrote in message
k... "amicus" skrev i en meddelelse ... I got one that isn't as expensive, but is more outrageous considering what it is: http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Me...roduct_Count=2 That is the funniest piece of Audio equipment I've ever seen........ It pushes the borders of human stupidity further than I imagined possible.... On the same website: http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Me...ory_C ode=NOS They can't decide whether these caps are film and foil or paper in oil. You too can have PCBs in your house... Peace, Paul |
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"Jakob B. Olsen" wrote in message
k... "amicus" skrev i en meddelelse ... I got one that isn't as expensive, but is more outrageous considering what it is: http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Me...roduct_Count=2 That is the funniest piece of Audio equipment I've ever seen........ It pushes the borders of human stupidity further than I imagined possible.... On the same website: http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Me...ory_C ode=NOS They can't decide whether these caps are film and foil or paper in oil. You too can have PCBs in your house... Peace, Paul |
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"Chel van Gennip" wrote in message ... On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 22:28:48 +0100, amicus wrote: I got one that isn't as expensive, but is more outrageous considering what it is: http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Me...roduct_Count=2 This one is not for sale any more but scores well in the outrageous contest he The ALTMANN "TUBE-O-LATOR" LACQUER http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator Reading the website, I find: Attention: Experience has shown, that power transistors in certain circuit topologies CAN over-react to Altmann "Tube-o-lator" lacquer. Over-reaction will lead to a dumb sound (that will make you feel sick), because too many overtones are filtered. If you experience over-reaction of a device, remove the "Tube-o-lator" lacquer with a carpet knife after curing, or wipe away before curing. You shoud however, first treat your Sound Sources, like DA converter, Disc-player or phono-stage or preamp. The "Tube-o-lator" lacquer is powerful stuff. It can make or break a sound. So only treat the output transistors of your Main-Amp only, if you really think it is required. Powerful stuff indeed, like a barn that ain't been cleaned out in a while. Or how about this: In High-End we do not deal with audio reproduction. What we deal with is audio interpretation. This implies, that our gear is not just gear. A correctly designed audio system is a musical instrument able to interpret the recording according to the designers musical comprehension. Whoever says that High-End deals with the most accurate reproduction, is indeed thinking an octave too low. The Overtone-Spectrum that we need in order to feel an audio reproduction real sounding is NOT PRESENT ON THE RECORDING. The amplitudes of the overtone-spectrum are far below the resolution of a CD, DVD or SACD. A new overtone spectrum is generated by the reproducing devices. Every active component adds overtones. The problem is, that the newl generated overtones can sound bad. Especially the spectrum of mixed signal ICs (i.e. DA converter chips) sounds very bad, due to the digital switching inside the chip and due the plastic package material. If fact, every plastic encapsulated semiconductor generates an unnatural harsh sounding overtone spectrum. If fact. I rest my (plastic encapsulated) case. Peace, Paul |
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"Chel van Gennip" wrote in message ... On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 22:28:48 +0100, amicus wrote: I got one that isn't as expensive, but is more outrageous considering what it is: http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Me...roduct_Count=2 This one is not for sale any more but scores well in the outrageous contest he The ALTMANN "TUBE-O-LATOR" LACQUER http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator Reading the website, I find: Attention: Experience has shown, that power transistors in certain circuit topologies CAN over-react to Altmann "Tube-o-lator" lacquer. Over-reaction will lead to a dumb sound (that will make you feel sick), because too many overtones are filtered. If you experience over-reaction of a device, remove the "Tube-o-lator" lacquer with a carpet knife after curing, or wipe away before curing. You shoud however, first treat your Sound Sources, like DA converter, Disc-player or phono-stage or preamp. The "Tube-o-lator" lacquer is powerful stuff. It can make or break a sound. So only treat the output transistors of your Main-Amp only, if you really think it is required. Powerful stuff indeed, like a barn that ain't been cleaned out in a while. Or how about this: In High-End we do not deal with audio reproduction. What we deal with is audio interpretation. This implies, that our gear is not just gear. A correctly designed audio system is a musical instrument able to interpret the recording according to the designers musical comprehension. Whoever says that High-End deals with the most accurate reproduction, is indeed thinking an octave too low. The Overtone-Spectrum that we need in order to feel an audio reproduction real sounding is NOT PRESENT ON THE RECORDING. The amplitudes of the overtone-spectrum are far below the resolution of a CD, DVD or SACD. A new overtone spectrum is generated by the reproducing devices. Every active component adds overtones. The problem is, that the newl generated overtones can sound bad. Especially the spectrum of mixed signal ICs (i.e. DA converter chips) sounds very bad, due to the digital switching inside the chip and due the plastic package material. If fact, every plastic encapsulated semiconductor generates an unnatural harsh sounding overtone spectrum. If fact. I rest my (plastic encapsulated) case. Peace, Paul |
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All waviness on
the surface of my wire has been reduced in frequency to a level where each wave is ten times smaller than a sound wave in air at 50Khz! Wow, that's extraordinary. I just upgraded the coax cable for digital audio between by DVD player and receiver, and you wouldn't believe the difference in the soundstage. -John O |
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All waviness on
the surface of my wire has been reduced in frequency to a level where each wave is ten times smaller than a sound wave in air at 50Khz! Wow, that's extraordinary. I just upgraded the coax cable for digital audio between by DVD player and receiver, and you wouldn't believe the difference in the soundstage. -John O |
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Jakob B. Olsen wrote:
"amicus" skrev i en meddelelse ... I got one that isn't as expensive, but is more outrageous considering what it is: http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Me...roduct_Count=2 That is the funniest piece of Audio equipment I've ever seen........ It pushes the borders of human stupidity further than I imagined possible.... From the same site, you can have your electrons running like a kickoff receiver with no defensive team! Bybee Quantum Purifiers! Although they appear relatively cheap, you the more you use the better it sounds. This one is reallllllly stupid: you will be turning your electrons into Cooper's Pairs which can and will tunnel through your copper wiring at .92c. http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Me...y_C ode=BYBEE |
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Jakob B. Olsen wrote:
"amicus" skrev i en meddelelse ... I got one that isn't as expensive, but is more outrageous considering what it is: http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Me...roduct_Count=2 That is the funniest piece of Audio equipment I've ever seen........ It pushes the borders of human stupidity further than I imagined possible.... From the same site, you can have your electrons running like a kickoff receiver with no defensive team! Bybee Quantum Purifiers! Although they appear relatively cheap, you the more you use the better it sounds. This one is reallllllly stupid: you will be turning your electrons into Cooper's Pairs which can and will tunnel through your copper wiring at .92c. http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Me...y_C ode=BYBEE |
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Jim Gilliland wrote:
Pooh Bear wrote: On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 09:18:08 +0100, Joakim Wendel wrote: Almost $1000.00 per foot! Are they serious? In short, copper is copper. No matter how much you dress up specious claims that *your* copper is somehow 'better'. Ah, but these cables are NOT copper. They are 100% silver. That's got to count for something! g Well, it means that if you are really broke, you can always take them to the pawn shop or one of those places that accepts broken jewelry by the pound. Also, the resistivity of silver is about 5% lower than that of copper. So that will affect the damping factor VERY slightly. However, going to a larger gauge of wire would solve that problem just as well. On the other hand, reducing the temperature of the wire should reduce its resistance, so what about speaker cables cooled with liquid nitrogen? - Logan |
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Jim Gilliland wrote:
Pooh Bear wrote: On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 09:18:08 +0100, Joakim Wendel wrote: Almost $1000.00 per foot! Are they serious? In short, copper is copper. No matter how much you dress up specious claims that *your* copper is somehow 'better'. Ah, but these cables are NOT copper. They are 100% silver. That's got to count for something! g Well, it means that if you are really broke, you can always take them to the pawn shop or one of those places that accepts broken jewelry by the pound. Also, the resistivity of silver is about 5% lower than that of copper. So that will affect the damping factor VERY slightly. However, going to a larger gauge of wire would solve that problem just as well. On the other hand, reducing the temperature of the wire should reduce its resistance, so what about speaker cables cooled with liquid nitrogen? - Logan |
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On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 11:58:52 +0000, Pooh Bear
wrote: "Jakob B. Olsen" wrote: "amicus" skrev i en meddelelse ... I got one that isn't as expensive, but is more outrageous considering what it is: http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Me...roduct_Count=2 That is the funniest piece of Audio equipment I've ever seen........ It pushes the borders of human stupidity further than I imagined possible.... I recall seeing that one before. I guess when some ppl have more money than sesnse....... " The point here is the micro vibrations created by the volume pots and knobs find their way into the delicate signal path and cause degradation (Bad vibrations equal bad sound). With the signature knobs micro vibrations from the C37 concept of wood, bronze and the lacquer itself compensate for the volume pots and provide (Good Vibrations) our ear/brain combination like to hear…way better sound!! " I'd love to see these guys taken to court for misrepresentation. The lacquer makes a difference - my arse ! Follow the links and you can find a page where they sell the magic laquer... needless to say it's expensive. Al |
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On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 11:58:52 +0000, Pooh Bear
wrote: "Jakob B. Olsen" wrote: "amicus" skrev i en meddelelse ... I got one that isn't as expensive, but is more outrageous considering what it is: http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Me...roduct_Count=2 That is the funniest piece of Audio equipment I've ever seen........ It pushes the borders of human stupidity further than I imagined possible.... I recall seeing that one before. I guess when some ppl have more money than sesnse....... " The point here is the micro vibrations created by the volume pots and knobs find their way into the delicate signal path and cause degradation (Bad vibrations equal bad sound). With the signature knobs micro vibrations from the C37 concept of wood, bronze and the lacquer itself compensate for the volume pots and provide (Good Vibrations) our ear/brain combination like to hear…way better sound!! " I'd love to see these guys taken to court for misrepresentation. The lacquer makes a difference - my arse ! Follow the links and you can find a page where they sell the magic laquer... needless to say it's expensive. Al |
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In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Joakim Wendel" wrote in message news  Almost $1000.00 per foot! Are they serious? Why are you all ranting about this? Because its fun, and its such an obvious scam. OK - Your opinion. If you are not interested in these cables/can't appreciate a difference, just ignore it. The lack of interest is due to the non-existence of any sonic difference. Not OK since that sounds like i statement You cannot make. I'm completely certain that you also wouldn't understand the difference between my italian 45k violin and a 1450k Stradivarius I'm completely certain Joakim that you are greviously insulting most if not all of the people who post here. but believe me, there is a difference and the price of a Strad is not ridiculous. Anybody who confuses a the cosmic meaning and value of a Strad, with that of snake-oil speaker cable is way over the cliff. BTW given how you've already grievously and horrifically insulted this forum, I hope you take this as a personal insult from me to you! Insult not taken ... Well, my violin is very very good ... It's good enough for any recording and any concert stage etc. and all i ever hear is praise of its wonderful tonal qualities - The difference to a Strad ... is dB, projection of sound and the makers significant trademark beauty. (if you can generalize a thing like this ... hmmm) So, since it's not a difference between great and bad i'm sure you misunderstood this thing ... Now in the Strads history instead of snakeoil it has (equally stupid) been discussed whether it's pee in the varnish that makes it so exquisit and different from others (!) or what? It's different anyway, just as one cable is different from other cables. It's more expensive anyway, just as some cables are. It makes ppl come up with stupid ideas just like some cables do. In my opinion it's only lack of interest that makes for the sceptisism regarding cabling - Not very interesting that (uninterest) No, i'm not intimidated by the typical american barking up wrong trees and will happily direct to more rewarding trees to bark at (but why in a forum??) ciao Joakim -- Joakim Wendel Remove obvious mail JUNK block for mail reply. My homepage : http://violinist.nu |
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In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Joakim Wendel" wrote in message news Almost $1000.00 per foot! Are they serious? Why are you all ranting about this? Because its fun, and its such an obvious scam. OK - Your opinion. If you are not interested in these cables/can't appreciate a difference, just ignore it. The lack of interest is due to the non-existence of any sonic difference. Not OK since that sounds like i statement You cannot make. I'm completely certain that you also wouldn't understand the difference between my italian 45k violin and a 1450k Stradivarius I'm completely certain Joakim that you are greviously insulting most if not all of the people who post here. but believe me, there is a difference and the price of a Strad is not ridiculous. Anybody who confuses a the cosmic meaning and value of a Strad, with that of snake-oil speaker cable is way over the cliff. BTW given how you've already grievously and horrifically insulted this forum, I hope you take this as a personal insult from me to you! Insult not taken ... Well, my violin is very very good ... It's good enough for any recording and any concert stage etc. and all i ever hear is praise of its wonderful tonal qualities - The difference to a Strad ... is dB, projection of sound and the makers significant trademark beauty. (if you can generalize a thing like this ... hmmm) So, since it's not a difference between great and bad i'm sure you misunderstood this thing ... Now in the Strads history instead of snakeoil it has (equally stupid) been discussed whether it's pee in the varnish that makes it so exquisit and different from others (!) or what? It's different anyway, just as one cable is different from other cables. It's more expensive anyway, just as some cables are. It makes ppl come up with stupid ideas just like some cables do. In my opinion it's only lack of interest that makes for the sceptisism regarding cabling - Not very interesting that (uninterest) No, i'm not intimidated by the typical american barking up wrong trees and will happily direct to more rewarding trees to bark at (but why in a forum??) ciao Joakim -- Joakim Wendel Remove obvious mail JUNK block for mail reply. My homepage : http://violinist.nu |
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In article znr1102077503k@trad, (Mike Rivers)
wrote: In article writes: Why are you all ranting about this? If you are not interested in these cables/can't appreciate a difference, just ignore it. I'm completely certain that you also wouldn't understand the difference between my italian 45k violin and a 1450k Stradivarius but believe me, there is a difference and the price of a Strad is not ridiculous. Maybe so, maybe not. But there are only a handful of Strads and there will never be any more. They're valuable both for their sound (and some of them are played out and don't sound as good as some fine newer violins) and their collectable value. When it comes to $1,000/foot speaker cable, however, they can make as much of it as there are suckers. We're only suggesting that it might not be a good value. -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over, lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo OK, hehee, i regret my anology to the Strad thing in a way... But, what was fantastic with those instruments were the skill of the craftsmen working in those workshops but most importantly the unvaluable knowledge the family had about HOWTO do great instruments so many times! Things like that is the most expensive thing on this planet today, Skill From Tradition and Knowledge in a society more focused on the loudest mouths etc (skips political musings) I like old instruments ... If someone would make a cable that got a reputation as great as these old things (and couldn't be 'bettered' for hundreds of yrs no matter the resources put in) i'd prolly like that too. I'd buy it IF I HAD THE MONEY Joakim -- Joakim Wendel Remove obvious mail JUNK block for mail reply. My homepage : http://violinist.nu |
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In article ,
play-on wrote: On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 09:18:08 +0100, Joakim Wendel wrote: Almost $1000.00 per foot! Are they serious? Why are you all ranting about this? If you are not interested in these cables/can't appreciate a difference, just ignore it. I'm completely certain that you also wouldn't understand the difference between my italian 45k violin and a 1450k Stradivarius but believe me, there is a difference and the price of a Strad is not ridiculous. To belabor the obvious, cables are not comparable to Stradivaruis' violins by any stretch. Al You are absolutely right! Take two cables and listen to their 'respective' sound and the difference you might percieve can be similar to what you'd experience listening to a Strad compared to another very good instrument. There is a difference simply put and why bother is another story, it's about matching! (1 out of 30 great bows will sound good with one particular Strad etc.) This is why different cables matters ... They match better or worse with the other things you use for listening. -- Joakim Wendel Remove obvious mail JUNK block for mail reply. My homepage : http://violinist.nu |
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In article ,
play-on wrote: On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 09:18:08 +0100, Joakim Wendel wrote: Almost $1000.00 per foot! Are they serious? Why are you all ranting about this? If you are not interested in these cables/can't appreciate a difference, just ignore it. I'm completely certain that you also wouldn't understand the difference between my italian 45k violin and a 1450k Stradivarius but believe me, there is a difference and the price of a Strad is not ridiculous. To belabor the obvious, cables are not comparable to Stradivaruis' violins by any stretch. Al You are absolutely right! Take two cables and listen to their 'respective' sound and the difference you might percieve can be similar to what you'd experience listening to a Strad compared to another very good instrument. There is a difference simply put and why bother is another story, it's about matching! (1 out of 30 great bows will sound good with one particular Strad etc.) This is why different cables matters ... They match better or worse with the other things you use for listening. -- Joakim Wendel Remove obvious mail JUNK block for mail reply. My homepage : http://violinist.nu |
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In article ,
Pooh Bear wrote: play-on wrote: On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 09:18:08 +0100, Joakim Wendel wrote: Almost $1000.00 per foot! Are they serious? Why are you all ranting about this? If you are not interested in these cables/can't appreciate a difference, just ignore it. I'm completely certain that you also wouldn't understand the difference between my italian 45k violin and a 1450k Stradivarius but believe me, there is a difference and the price of a Strad is not ridiculous. To belabor the obvious, cables are not comparable to Stradivaruis' violins by any stretch. In short, copper is copper. No matter how much you dress up specious claims that *your* copper is somehow 'better'. Pinewood is pinewood ... yeah right  Virtually all copper used for cables is 'oxygen free' for all practical purposes too btw. Yup ! This is a well known marketing ploy - It works great too! Graham I'm not a cable guru, i'm just tired of ppl shouting about things they assume is in ways they have not experienced... (No, i am not addressing this comment to You Graham, i just wanted to explain why i questioned the credibility of this thread!) Joakim -- Joakim Wendel Remove obvious mail JUNK block for mail reply. My homepage : http://violinist.nu |
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In article ,
Pooh Bear wrote: play-on wrote: On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 09:18:08 +0100, Joakim Wendel wrote: Almost $1000.00 per foot! Are they serious? Why are you all ranting about this? If you are not interested in these cables/can't appreciate a difference, just ignore it. I'm completely certain that you also wouldn't understand the difference between my italian 45k violin and a 1450k Stradivarius but believe me, there is a difference and the price of a Strad is not ridiculous. To belabor the obvious, cables are not comparable to Stradivaruis' violins by any stretch. In short, copper is copper. No matter how much you dress up specious claims that *your* copper is somehow 'better'. Pinewood is pinewood ... yeah right Virtually all copper used for cables is 'oxygen free' for all practical purposes too btw. Yup ! This is a well known marketing ploy - It works great too! Graham I'm not a cable guru, i'm just tired of ppl shouting about things they assume is in ways they have not experienced... (No, i am not addressing this comment to You Graham, i just wanted to explain why i questioned the credibility of this thread!) Joakim -- Joakim Wendel Remove obvious mail JUNK block for mail reply. My homepage : http://violinist.nu |
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"Joakim Wendel" wrote in message
news Take two cables and listen to their 'respective' sound and the difference you might percieve can be similar to what you'd experience listening to a Strad compared to another very good instrument. Someplace around the third or fourth hedge word I lost interest. |
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"Joakim Wendel" wrote in message
news Take two cables and listen to their 'respective' sound and the difference you might percieve can be similar to what you'd experience listening to a Strad compared to another very good instrument. Someplace around the third or fourth hedge word I lost interest. |
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There is a difference simply put and why bother is another story, it's about matching! (1 out of 30 great bows will sound good with one particular Strad etc.) This is why different cables matters ... They match better or worse with the other things you use for listening. Do they make $20,000 strings for Strads? Cables vs strings is a better analogy. Or maybe speaker cables vs the shoes you wear when you play. -John O |
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There is a difference simply put and why bother is another story, it's about matching! (1 out of 30 great bows will sound good with one particular Strad etc.) This is why different cables matters ... They match better or worse with the other things you use for listening. Do they make $20,000 strings for Strads? Cables vs strings is a better analogy. Or maybe speaker cables vs the shoes you wear when you play. -John O |
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In article ,
(Don Pearce) wrote: On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 09:18:08 +0100, Joakim Wendel wrote: Almost $1000.00 per foot! Are they serious? Why are you all ranting about this? If you are not interested in these cables/can't appreciate a difference, just ignore it. I'm completely certain that you also wouldn't understand the difference between my italian 45k violin and a 1450k Stradivarius but believe me, there is a difference and the price of a Strad is not ridiculous. ?? Joakim The reason this analogy doesn't work is that there actually IS a difference between your violin and a Strad. And up at the Strad level there are still differences - for example in a small hall you would play a Strad, but if you were playing somewhere huge you would probably go for a Guaneri. Between these expensive cables and normal speaker cable, the ONLY difference is the price. d Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com Thank's for telling me I have additional Info - the difference between specific instruments of the same maker CAN be bigger than the difference between different makers instruments. My point is this - look carefully now - You cannot do anything else than assume my violin sounds different from a Strad. (since you haven't heard it etc.) It does sound different, different not worse, other qualities not less, d i f f e r e n t... My violin is not as expensive, for many reasons, as a Strad and a Strad has an undisputable value. To state that "the ONLY difference is the price" You need to have this specific knowledge. (what IS a normal speaker cable??) Try a good, in your opinion 'normal' cable and compare it's sonic specifics to one of "these expensive cables" and you might be surprised there is a difference, maybe uninteresting to you but enough to make your previous statement false. (BTW tubetraps, as an example, is a way more efficient way to improve most sonic environments but a person who buys "these expensive cables" might have chosen tubetraps from 10 different brands...) Joakim -- Joakim Wendel Remove obvious mail JUNK block for mail reply. My homepage : http://violinist.nu |
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In article ,
(Don Pearce) wrote: On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 09:18:08 +0100, Joakim Wendel wrote: Almost $1000.00 per foot! Are they serious? Why are you all ranting about this? If you are not interested in these cables/can't appreciate a difference, just ignore it. I'm completely certain that you also wouldn't understand the difference between my italian 45k violin and a 1450k Stradivarius but believe me, there is a difference and the price of a Strad is not ridiculous. ?? Joakim The reason this analogy doesn't work is that there actually IS a difference between your violin and a Strad. And up at the Strad level there are still differences - for example in a small hall you would play a Strad, but if you were playing somewhere huge you would probably go for a Guaneri. Between these expensive cables and normal speaker cable, the ONLY difference is the price. d Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com Thank's for telling me I have additional Info - the difference between specific instruments of the same maker CAN be bigger than the difference between different makers instruments. My point is this - look carefully now - You cannot do anything else than assume my violin sounds different from a Strad. (since you haven't heard it etc.) It does sound different, different not worse, other qualities not less, d i f f e r e n t... My violin is not as expensive, for many reasons, as a Strad and a Strad has an undisputable value. To state that "the ONLY difference is the price" You need to have this specific knowledge. (what IS a normal speaker cable??) Try a good, in your opinion 'normal' cable and compare it's sonic specifics to one of "these expensive cables" and you might be surprised there is a difference, maybe uninteresting to you but enough to make your previous statement false. (BTW tubetraps, as an example, is a way more efficient way to improve most sonic environments but a person who buys "these expensive cables" might have chosen tubetraps from 10 different brands...) Joakim -- Joakim Wendel Remove obvious mail JUNK block for mail reply. My homepage : http://violinist.nu |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Joakim Wendel" wrote in message news Take two cables and listen to their 'respective' sound and the difference you might percieve can be similar to what you'd experience listening to a Strad compared to another very good instrument. Someplace around the third or fourth hedge word I lost interest. Hehee OK, to fit in this forum you are supposed to write (!?): You don't know what You are talking about or you can't hear right! I hate that kind of assumptions so i expressed it like i did. (yeah it looked pretty boring to me too) I don't sell cables and i believe food tastes different too - For you americans in here one thing to try is a MacDonald's burger in France. Mebbe THAT will teach you not to say they are all the same (xcept for price) -- Joakim Wendel Remove obvious mail JUNK block for mail reply. My homepage : http://violinist.nu |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Joakim Wendel" wrote in message news Take two cables and listen to their 'respective' sound and the difference you might percieve can be similar to what you'd experience listening to a Strad compared to another very good instrument. Someplace around the third or fourth hedge word I lost interest. Hehee OK, to fit in this forum you are supposed to write (!?): You don't know what You are talking about or you can't hear right! I hate that kind of assumptions so i expressed it like i did. (yeah it looked pretty boring to me too) I don't sell cables and i believe food tastes different too - For you americans in here one thing to try is a MacDonald's burger in France. Mebbe THAT will teach you not to say they are all the same (xcept for price) -- Joakim Wendel Remove obvious mail JUNK block for mail reply. My homepage : http://violinist.nu |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Joakim Wendel" wrote in message news Take two cables and listen to their 'respective' sound and the difference you might percieve can be similar to what you'd experience listening to a Strad compared to another very good instrument. Someplace around the third or fourth hedge word I lost interest. Arny, I keep waiting for you to suggest a DBT. This seems like the ideal sort of application for that. Of course, since according to the manufacturer you're not allowed to A/B the cables, but rather let them settle overnight without moving them so they have a chance to get all their electrons lined up just so, and then give it a full evening of listening, I suppose that would be tricky. -jw |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Joakim Wendel" wrote in message news Take two cables and listen to their 'respective' sound and the difference you might percieve can be similar to what you'd experience listening to a Strad compared to another very good instrument. Someplace around the third or fourth hedge word I lost interest. Arny, I keep waiting for you to suggest a DBT. This seems like the ideal sort of application for that. Of course, since according to the manufacturer you're not allowed to A/B the cables, but rather let them settle overnight without moving them so they have a chance to get all their electrons lined up just so, and then give it a full evening of listening, I suppose that would be tricky. -jw |
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Joakim Wendel wrote: I don't sell cables and i believe food tastes different too - For you americans in here one thing to try is a MacDonald's burger in France. That is the LAST thing I would think of eating in France! I was shocked to see a McDonald's in Chateauroux, where I lived 40 years ago. -Jay -- x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x |
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Joakim Wendel wrote: I don't sell cables and i believe food tastes different too - For you americans in here one thing to try is a MacDonald's burger in France. That is the LAST thing I would think of eating in France! I was shocked to see a McDonald's in Chateauroux, where I lived 40 years ago. -Jay -- x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x |
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Chel van Gennip wrote: It is easy and cheap to design cables that do not alter the electric signal. You might be right, in fact more on the spot than anything else i have read in here... Maybe NOT altering isn't the sole objective. Lets say some cables ADD coloration to the signal due to their specific's, some add more suitable color than others? Now if a manufactor has a cable thats adds many good colors to the signal, (like e.g a "sharpen more" filter, color correction etc. in PS) has invested lots of money in research, material etc and has the marketing for making this a hyped product they can put a higher price tag on it? -- Joakim Wendel Remove obvious mail JUNK block for mail reply. My homepage : http://violinist.nu |
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Chel van Gennip wrote: It is easy and cheap to design cables that do not alter the electric signal. You might be right, in fact more on the spot than anything else i have read in here... Maybe NOT altering isn't the sole objective. Lets say some cables ADD coloration to the signal due to their specific's, some add more suitable color than others? Now if a manufactor has a cable thats adds many good colors to the signal, (like e.g a "sharpen more" filter, color correction etc. in PS) has invested lots of money in research, material etc and has the marketing for making this a hyped product they can put a higher price tag on it? -- Joakim Wendel Remove obvious mail JUNK block for mail reply. My homepage : http://violinist.nu |
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On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:59:34 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: http://www.shakti-innovations.com/hallograph.htm Hmmmm...isn't one of these things required for promotion to another level in L. Ron Hoover's "Church of Appliantology?" ...along with a cheap Rat Shack VOM in a mahogany box? Another shakti innovation bites the dust: www.randi.org/jr/080504string.html#8. snip ROFLMAO! Proof positive that Barnum was right, and that there will be frauders fleecing morons at every turn. dB |
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On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:59:34 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: http://www.shakti-innovations.com/hallograph.htm Hmmmm...isn't one of these things required for promotion to another level in L. Ron Hoover's "Church of Appliantology?" ...along with a cheap Rat Shack VOM in a mahogany box? Another shakti innovation bites the dust: www.randi.org/jr/080504string.html#8. snip ROFLMAO! Proof positive that Barnum was right, and that there will be frauders fleecing morons at every turn. dB |
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On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 22:06:57 GMT, "John O"
wrote: All I know is I want some of what they're smokin'. snip Possibly psychedelic solder flux fumes? dB |
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