http://www.capitolhillblue.com/


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Reprinted From Capitol Hill Blue
BUSH LEAGUES
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What is "Capitol Hill Blue"?

"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
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http://www.capitolhillblue.com/

I know that but what is it? Is it a site "of record"? It's seem all that's
required to "validate" anything today is to point to a URL where a person
read something. There's thousands of these listen places but dubious (if
any) real journalism. Even the big hard papers we used to could trust are
becoming suspect. It's just that I'd never heard of capitolhillblue and
couldn't find any references to them other than other sites just like it
quoting it. Do they have any street creed or cache that we should believe
what they say?

"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/

I know that but what is it? Is it a site "of record"? It's seem all that's
required to "validate" anything today is to point to a URL where a person
read something. There's thousands of these listen places but dubious (if
any) real journalism. Even the big hard papers we used to could trust are
becoming suspect. It's just that I'd never heard of capitolhillblue and
couldn't find any references to them other than other sites just like it
quoting it. Do they have any street creed or cache that we should believe
what they say?

Capitol Hill Blue is best described by their own FAQ, which has the
following paragraph as part.

"Musings, brain drain and rantings started by a grouchy old ex-newspaperman
named Doug Thompson in October 1994. That makes us the oldest surviving news
site on the Internet. But dont' take our word for it. Go to Google and see
if you can find anything older. Bet ya can't.
Sometimes he is joined, more or less, by a ragtag cast of current and
ex-newspaper men and women who wander in and out of here like homeless
children. Some still work for news organizations and use Capitol Hill Blue
as an outlet for the stories their outfits don't have the guts to publish.
Others are retired, but can't give up the Muse.

Nobody here draws a salary. We couldn't afford to pay salaries anyway. All
money, if we ever get around to making any, will go back into the product.
Or maybe we'll send out for pizza. But it couldn't be any bigger than a
medium."

What it makes is a credentialled reporter that's taken it upon himself to do
what he sees as right, not just report the news in the real world of a
journalist. That's fine because that's basically all we have anymore. We
don't have "reporting", we have pontification as the norm. Doug has
history, contacts and the agenda to present the news he can garner. He's
neither more right nor more wrong than others, but he is less likely to
present inaccurate information one might find on The Drudge Report. He
truthfully deals in news, not innuendo and misinformation.
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Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"Ricky W. Hunt" wrote in message
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/

I know that but what is it? Is it a site "of record"? It's seem all that's
required to "validate" anything today is to point to a URL where a person
read something. There's thousands of these listen places but dubious (if
any) real journalism. Even the big hard papers we used to could trust are
becoming suspect. It's just that I'd never heard of capitolhillblue and
couldn't find any references to them other than other sites just like it
quoting it. Do they have any street creed or cache that we should believe
what they say?

Capitol Hill Blue is best described by their own FAQ, which has the
following paragraph as part.

"Musings, brain drain and rantings started by a grouchy old ex-newspaperman
named Doug Thompson in October 1994. That makes us the oldest surviving news
site on the Internet. But dont' take our word for it. Go to Google and see
if you can find anything older. Bet ya can't.
Sometimes he is joined, more or less, by a ragtag cast of current and
ex-newspaper men and women who wander in and out of here like homeless
children. Some still work for news organizations and use Capitol Hill Blue
as an outlet for the stories their outfits don't have the guts to publish.
Others are retired, but can't give up the Muse.

Nobody here draws a salary. We couldn't afford to pay salaries anyway. All
money, if we ever get around to making any, will go back into the product.
Or maybe we'll send out for pizza. But it couldn't be any bigger than a
medium."

What it makes is a credentialled reporter that's taken it upon himself to do
what he sees as right, not just report the news in the real world of a
journalist. That's fine because that's basically all we have anymore. We
don't have "reporting", we have pontification as the norm. Doug has
history, contacts and the agenda to present the news he can garner. He's
neither more right nor more wrong than others, but he is less likely to
present inaccurate information one might find on The Drudge Report. He
truthfully deals in news, not innuendo and misinformation.
--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"Ricky W. Hunt" wrote in message
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/

I know that but what is it? Is it a site "of record"? It's seem all that's
required to "validate" anything today is to point to a URL where a person
read something. There's thousands of these listen places but dubious (if
any) real journalism. Even the big hard papers we used to could trust are
becoming suspect. It's just that I'd never heard of capitolhillblue and
couldn't find any references to them other than other sites just like it
quoting it. Do they have any street creed or cache that we should believe
what they say?

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On 2004-06-02 said:
Hold on a minute....can you elaborate a little. A women gets laid
off....she is
instantly homeless..then assaulted. I agree this sounds like a
tragedy but to think this is commonplace is a little hysterical.
And what exactly is to be done? What was the rest of the story?
For the record ..I believe that every poiltician is dishonest at
best.
Well, it's commonplace enough. The rest of the story... she's
probably an alcoholic on the fringe of society. So does that
entitle her to a life on the street? Life can be very hard for
those people with marginal social skills and self-control. Before
Reagan emptied the institutions in California, this kind of thing
was much less common. There are inadequate safety nets provided
and the rest of us just have to deal with the fallout.
ACcording to the right wingers that's what they're entitled to. Screw
'em they aren't anybody!!!

I worked for awhile at a mission for homeless men in ORegon. IT was
in Salem ORegon to be exact. Amazingly enough we were a dumping
ground for the state mental hospital. THey'd kick 'em out still
needing somebody to look after 'em and dump them on us where we
couldn't make sure they got their meds or were closely enough watched
somebody wouldn't take advantage of them or they do harm to others.
THe reason was simple. THe mission offered homeless men 7 free nights
a month and a bed and shower for $2 a night. Warehouse 'em and ignore
'em. Btw this was a union mission operated by a majority of the
churches in the area.

HEy folks this is the America you voted for since 1980. sHrink the
middle class and once they're poor and economically disenfranchised
kick 'em out on the street to be victimized, especially if they're not
equipped to deal for themselves.

I'd rather see the private sector dealing, but there are just too many
needing some kind of help if not looked after so they don't come to
harm or harm others. The private sector organizations such as
churches etc. who try to help are just overloaded. wHat does a
shelter for the homeless do when half its beds are filled with folks
who should be under the care of professionals? YOu can bet this lady
groundskeeper wasn't making much over minimum wage. FIgure she's
living from paycheck to paycheck anywayand without those paychecks
unemployment's a little less than the paycheck and comes with no
benefits if she had any at all for working. Once it runs out ... you
can guess the rest.

WE need to find a way of dealing with these folks with compassion
which also gets them at least a roof over their heads and can start
them back on the road to being productive contributing members of the
community. I'm quite familiar with the problems you refer to here and
don't see the religious organizations and others able to even stem the
flow. We're trying to catch gallons in a thimble.

TO my mind it starts with the whole structure to educate young people
which hasn't been doing the job for decades. OUtsourcing of
manufacturing jobs hasn't helped either. tHis lady can't do word
processing I'm sure, or man the counter at a convenience store; etc.
etc. etc. Even if she could if she's got medical problems she's not
going to hold one of those jobs for very long. THese jobs do not come
with a living wage and such things as medical benefits. sInce most of
these folks are "medically indigent" the medical care they get is only
that which is necessary as an emergency usually. By then a problem
that might have been corrected and allow one to remain productive keeps
one off work, and bye bye flunky level job.

Lots of these folks aren't part of a church community for the same
reason they don't have economic security. NO social skills and no or
few marketable skills. i know some mission programs operated by the
chuches that try to do some job training and similar but it's bigger
than they can handle often.

HEy it's the "kinder gentler America" folks. Hrrumph




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On 2004-06-02 said:
Hold on a minute....can you elaborate a little. A women gets laid
off....she is
instantly homeless..then assaulted. I agree this sounds like a
tragedy but to think this is commonplace is a little hysterical.
And what exactly is to be done? What was the rest of the story?
For the record ..I believe that every poiltician is dishonest at
best.
Well, it's commonplace enough. The rest of the story... she's
probably an alcoholic on the fringe of society. So does that
entitle her to a life on the street? Life can be very hard for
those people with marginal social skills and self-control. Before
Reagan emptied the institutions in California, this kind of thing
was much less common. There are inadequate safety nets provided
and the rest of us just have to deal with the fallout.
ACcording to the right wingers that's what they're entitled to. Screw
'em they aren't anybody!!!

I worked for awhile at a mission for homeless men in ORegon. IT was
in Salem ORegon to be exact. Amazingly enough we were a dumping
ground for the state mental hospital. THey'd kick 'em out still
needing somebody to look after 'em and dump them on us where we
couldn't make sure they got their meds or were closely enough watched
somebody wouldn't take advantage of them or they do harm to others.
THe reason was simple. THe mission offered homeless men 7 free nights
a month and a bed and shower for $2 a night. Warehouse 'em and ignore
'em. Btw this was a union mission operated by a majority of the
churches in the area.

HEy folks this is the America you voted for since 1980. sHrink the
middle class and once they're poor and economically disenfranchised
kick 'em out on the street to be victimized, especially if they're not
equipped to deal for themselves.

I'd rather see the private sector dealing, but there are just too many
needing some kind of help if not looked after so they don't come to
harm or harm others. The private sector organizations such as
churches etc. who try to help are just overloaded. wHat does a
shelter for the homeless do when half its beds are filled with folks
who should be under the care of professionals? YOu can bet this lady
groundskeeper wasn't making much over minimum wage. FIgure she's
living from paycheck to paycheck anywayand without those paychecks
unemployment's a little less than the paycheck and comes with no
benefits if she had any at all for working. Once it runs out ... you
can guess the rest.

WE need to find a way of dealing with these folks with compassion
which also gets them at least a roof over their heads and can start
them back on the road to being productive contributing members of the
community. I'm quite familiar with the problems you refer to here and
don't see the religious organizations and others able to even stem the
flow. We're trying to catch gallons in a thimble.

TO my mind it starts with the whole structure to educate young people
which hasn't been doing the job for decades. OUtsourcing of
manufacturing jobs hasn't helped either. tHis lady can't do word
processing I'm sure, or man the counter at a convenience store; etc.
etc. etc. Even if she could if she's got medical problems she's not
going to hold one of those jobs for very long. THese jobs do not come
with a living wage and such things as medical benefits. sInce most of
these folks are "medically indigent" the medical care they get is only
that which is necessary as an emergency usually. By then a problem
that might have been corrected and allow one to remain productive keeps
one off work, and bye bye flunky level job.

Lots of these folks aren't part of a church community for the same
reason they don't have economic security. NO social skills and no or
few marketable skills. i know some mission programs operated by the
chuches that try to do some job training and similar but it's bigger
than they can handle often.

HEy it's the "kinder gentler America" folks. Hrrumph




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Bob wrote:
I was layed off from a research position in 1994 and while
it wasn't instant, within four months I was living in my car
and then on the street when a pretext was found for
divesting me of the car. The assults followed rather
quickly. Until it happens you have no idea what it feels
like to have no power *at all* and be looking at a state
that seems designed to make that situation permenant once it
has happened.
snip
It's been a fairly long time since that dark night of
the soul but I still find myself scanning my environment
wherever I go for safe and dry places to sleep should the
time come again, and that recurs in my dreams regularly.
I really think more of us need that experience before things
will change. It is just not comprehensible otherwise and
the people that are suffering it remain largely invisible to
those to whom it hasn't (as they had been to me.)
Been there done that, and it's strange but it's been over 20 years for
me but I still look at my environment for such things. rEstaurant
dumpsters that remain open are sources of sustenance, an often empty
trash receptacle with a bag liner yields a ready poncho when the heavy
rains catch one. Unsecured buildings where one can get into a dry
place.

My environment is always yielding such information to me because I
know what I'm looking for, and a quarter of a century later my brain
still catalogues these items for future reference.




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Bob wrote:
I was layed off from a research position in 1994 and while
it wasn't instant, within four months I was living in my car
and then on the street when a pretext was found for
divesting me of the car. The assults followed rather
quickly. Until it happens you have no idea what it feels
like to have no power *at all* and be looking at a state
that seems designed to make that situation permenant once it
has happened.
snip
It's been a fairly long time since that dark night of
the soul but I still find myself scanning my environment
wherever I go for safe and dry places to sleep should the
time come again, and that recurs in my dreams regularly.
I really think more of us need that experience before things
will change. It is just not comprehensible otherwise and
the people that are suffering it remain largely invisible to
those to whom it hasn't (as they had been to me.)
Been there done that, and it's strange but it's been over 20 years for
me but I still look at my environment for such things. rEstaurant
dumpsters that remain open are sources of sustenance, an often empty
trash receptacle with a bag liner yields a ready poncho when the heavy
rains catch one. Unsecured buildings where one can get into a dry
place.

My environment is always yielding such information to me because I
know what I'm looking for, and a quarter of a century later my brain
still catalogues these items for future reference.




Richard Webb
Electric Spider Productions
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