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"Cat Protector" wrote in message
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I do not judge others myself. BTW, I myself am Jewish and when I
adopted
my
cat Isis it was a requirement to have her spayed. I was all for it. I
am
still for spaying/neutering. I do not see it as mutilation.

The torah is not open to individual interpretation, and the fact remains
that for a Jew to spay or neuter is a torah transgression. The mitzvos
do
not apply to non-Jews, and therefore the torah would not find it
problematic
for a non-Jew to spay or neuter.

In other words, the equvalent of a "Shabbos goy"? (For those not familiar
with the term, a "Shabbos goy" was a Gentile employed by observant Jews to
mind the store or run the factory on the sabbath, when Jews are not
permitted to work.)
----------
Not at all. The fact is that all Jews are obligated to observe shabbos, but
no one is obligated to adopt an animal.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

Does the Torah say anything about anesthetics?
Religion, like software seems to need constant updates!

Tom

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I do not judge others myself. BTW, I myself am Jewish and when I adopted
my
cat Isis it was a requirement to have her spayed. I was all for it. I am
still for spaying/neutering. I do not see it as mutilation.

The torah is not open to individual interpretation, and the fact remains
that for a Jew to spay or neuter is a torah transgression. The mitzvos do
not apply to non-Jews, and therefore the torah would not find it
problematic
for a non-Jew to spay or neuter.

I see at as a
necessity to prevent overpopulation.

There is a way around it, as I outlined.

1. Jews should limit themselves to animals which are already spayed or
neutered. In many cases, this means adopting an older animal rather than a
kitten, which is in and of itself a wonderful thing to do, since older
animals are harder to place in homes.

2. Not adopt animals at all. And for the record, most observant Jews tend
to
not have pets at all.

I think the OP needs to volunteer at a
shelter around kitten season when cats are dumped off at record numbers.

This would not change the fact that Jews are prohibited by the torah from
spaying and neutering animals.

Some them even have kittens. Spaying/neutering is the responsible thing.

I am a former volunteer for an animal rescue organization. I have had a
number of *foster* cats in my home, one of whom was a pregnant cat that
someone had dumped off at a shelter. I fostered her through the remainder
of
her pregnancy and the birth of her 4 kittens. They stayed with me until
the
kittens were weaned. I still have the mother (she was spayed under the
auspices of the rescue agency before I took permanent possession of her).
I
know firsthand about the problems of dog and cat overpopulation. The
number
of animals being killed in shelters every year is a travesty. But no one
here is arguing that animals should not be spayed or neutered, only that
it
is a torah transgression for Jews can't do so. So, therefore, Jews should
adopt older animals that have already been spayed or neutered or not adopt
at all.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.





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Not exactly. Without getting into detail, we have 613 commandments.
The
commandment regarding not spaying/neutering is just one of them. We
are
judged on the big picture, the good is weighed against the bad. We are
not
judged on just one thing. That having been said, religious Jews easily
avoid
transgressing this commandment by adopting animals that have already
been
spayed or neutered. That way, we are not adding to the animal
overpopulation
problem, we are not transgressing a commandment, and we are hopefully
providing a nice home for an animal who needs one.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

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Thanks for your thoughts, though maybe not all thoughts should be made
public domain.

Especially on Jewish newsgroups??? HOw on earth did this bit of
crossposting get started anyway? Norma




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Wait a minute, the Torah says that you can't spay or neuter your
pets?


Please read:

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Spaying animals

The spaying of animals, in order to prevent undesired reproduction or
in
order to make them more docile, is an ancient custom of animal
husbandry,
but it is one which is forbidden by the Torah. The Torah teaches this
prohibition in two different places, each one with its message.
In the blessing given to Noach and his family after the flood, "Be
fruitful
and multiply, swarm in the earth and multiply in it" (Bere**** 9:7),
our
Sages discerned an implication that spaying of animals is improper for
all
mankind (Sanhedrin 57a). The basis of this admonition is clearly the
fact
that spaying interferes with HaShem's desire that the world should be
filled
with a multiplicity of living things. Here the consideration is a
quantitative one.
However, the Torah also contains a prohibition on spaying for the
Jewish
people. In enumeration the animals which are blemished and unfit for
sacrifices, the Torah tells us (Vayikra 22:24) "And an animal which is
maimed or crushed or disconnected or severed [in his reproductive
organs]
do
not offer to HaShem", and then adds "and don't do this in your land",
meaning that we should not create such a blemish (Shabbat 110b).
Here the emphasis is not on the consequences for the world, but rather
the
consequences for this particular animal. The blemish in a sacrifice is
not
due to the fact that the animal will not reproduce, because the animal
is
being slaughtered anyway. Rather, the admonition not to spay seems to
be
directed at the loss for the individual. Each individual creature is
unique,
and its ability to transmit its own unique characteristics to
offspring
is
an essential part of its character and potential. Even if the world
will
swarm with sheep just as before, this individual ram is deficient if
he
lacks the potential to perpetuate his special traits in the next
generation.
This distinction between the general mission of mankind and the
particular
mission of the Jewish people is found in other places as well. For
instance,
in our column on Vayikra 5761 we saw the explanation of Rav Nachman of
Breslav, that for all mankind ownership and possession has utilitarian
value, but for the Jewish people ownership also ideally involves a
special
sensitivity to the unique role of each object in the chain of Divine
providence.
All of mankind is charged with perfecting the world, both materially
and
spiritually. But the mission of mankind as a whole is more
instrumental,
focusing on principles which create a better world. It is the Jewish
people
who are particularly commanded to find the holiness and potential in
each
individual aspect of creation, "so that none of them may be rejected"
from
the realm of holiness. (See Shmuel II 14:14.)




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On who's rule do you say that? Also, who is to say what is tradition? These
things after all were written by man so I'd hardly call the torah law. Also,
what do you consider traditional Jews? Those who are reform are certainly
not going to let the Jewish laws limit them.

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"cindys" wrote in message
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I think the torah is very much open to individual interpretation.

You're entitled to your opinion, but traditional Jews don't see it that
way.

Last time
I checked we're all apart of humanity. I don't believe in limits. Why
should
I be bound by the rules of the torah?

You're entitled to your opinion, but traditional Jews don't see it this
way.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.





This is 2004. Not the days of Moses.

That is not a fact. I certainly don't observe Shabbot.

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Not at all. The fact is that all Jews are obligated to observe shabbos,
but
no one is obligated to adopt an animal.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.

I agree on this one. A perfect example is Passover. My mom made it a little
bit more fun than reading the books time after time. Also, she added a
metaphysical twist which made it go down a lot easier.

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Does the Torah say anything about anesthetics?
Religion, like software seems to need constant updates!

cindys wrote in message
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The torah is not open to individual interpretation, and the fact
remains
that for a Jew to spay or neuter is a torah transgression. The mitzvos
do
not apply to non-Jews, and therefore the torah would not find it
problematic
for a non-Jew to spay or neuter.

In other words, the equvalent of a "Shabbos goy"? (For those not
familiar
with the term, a "Shabbos goy" was a Gentile employed by observant Jews
to
mind the store or run the factory on the sabbath, when Jews are not
permitted to work.)
----------
Not at all. The fact is that all Jews are obligated to observe shabbos,
but
no one is obligated to adopt an animal.

True but irrelevant; no Jew is required to keep the store or factory open on
Shabbos either. If an owner chooses to do so, s/he employs a Shabbos goy.
Likewise, if s/he adopts a pet, it's one that a Gentile has already
neutered.

Peace,
Paul

"Norma" wrote in message
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"ys" wrote in message
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"Tommy B" wrote in message
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I think basing your life around a book


Thanks for your thoughts, though maybe not all thoughts should be made
public domain.

Especially on Jewish newsgroups??? HOw on earth did this bit of
crossposting get started anyway? Norma


Norma, that was *my* original question to. The OP started this thread about
women and cats in soc.culture.jewish., sci.med.nursing. and rec.audio.pro.
Why was it cross-posted like that? Anyway, I'm glad it was. I had no idea
that the jewish faith was technically against spaying or neutering. I found
this topic sort of interesting. Sorry for perpetuating the thread by
replying, but I find the views that have been posted very curious.

kilikini

"kilikini" wrote in message ...
"Norma" wrote in message
...

"ys" wrote in message
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"Tommy B" wrote in message
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I think basing your life around a book


Thanks for your thoughts, though maybe not all thoughts should be made
public domain.

Especially on Jewish newsgroups??? HOw on earth did this bit of
crossposting get started anyway? Norma


Norma, that was *my* original question to. The OP started this thread about
women and cats in soc.culture.jewish., sci.med.nursing. and rec.audio.pro.
Why was it cross-posted like that? Anyway, I'm glad it was. I had no idea
that the jewish faith was technically against spaying or neutering. I found
this topic sort of interesting. Sorry for perpetuating the thread by
replying, but I find the views that have been posted very curious.

kilikini

It's fine, I just didn't know how it got here. Norma

It seems only certain Jews are against it and are using the torah to justify
why they shouldn't do the humane and responsible thing. I guess some people
will think of anything in order to justify their irresponsiblity.

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Norma, that was *my* original question to. The OP started this thread
about
women and cats in soc.culture.jewish., sci.med.nursing. and rec.audio.pro.
Why was it cross-posted like that? Anyway, I'm glad it was. I had no
idea
that the jewish faith was technically against spaying or neutering. I
found
this topic sort of interesting. Sorry for perpetuating the thread by
replying, but I find the views that have been posted very curious.

kilikini

Norma wrote:

2. The astute reader will have already gleaned from YS's postings that
he/she places great importance on Toraic Law - insofar as he/she
understands it - as it relates not just to cats and animals in general
but all of life. Toraic Law dictates that women are to be avoided,
indeed shunned, during their cycles as they are "unclean" by the
author's of the aforementioned Law.

Hey! Listen, you, as the non-astute writer, are totally wrong about this.
So who is doing what? Norma

It's really quite simple. You asked, I replied. If you're not prepared
for answers that may run contrary to your belief or opinion, you'll
likely find a better use for your time in some other pursuit.

Good day.

OK, time for TorahUpdate 2004. Download it now!
Wouldn't it be great if everyone had full time connection to his/her higher
power so there wouldn't be any need for Religion. When Jesus said "Be Like
Me" &" "The Kingdom of God is here at hand", I think that's what he ment. If
one comes from Love, one always does "the right thing"
Tom




"West Wing Audio" wrote in message
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Norma wrote:

2. The astute reader will have already gleaned from YS's postings that
he/she places great importance on Toraic Law - insofar as he/she
understands it - as it relates not just to cats and animals in general
but all of life. Toraic Law dictates that women are to be avoided,
indeed shunned, during their cycles as they are "unclean" by the
author's of the aforementioned Law.

Hey! Listen, you, as the non-astute writer, are totally wrong about
this.
So who is doing what? Norma

It's really quite simple. You asked, I replied. If you're not prepared
for answers that may run contrary to your belief or opinion, you'll
likely find a better use for your time in some other pursuit.

Good day.

"Tommy B" wrote in message
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one comes from Love, one always does "the right thing"


The right thing is what the Creator wants. Not what man or woman wants. Not
what makes you necessarily feel good, but what is commanded of us. It is
Right because Hashem wants it to be done. Technically, Love is all inclusive
of 10 different light energies which stream from the Creator. How to receive
it, maintain it and generate it - is precisely what the Torah is here to
teach us. Torah is the blueprint for all of creation and the manuscript for
life for all humanity. It teaches us to distinguish between right and wrong
and how to live according to the laws set out for us by the Creator. 613 for
the Jews, 7 spiritual laws for non-Jews. One can't guess at what love is and
certainly the brand of *love* exhibited by idol worshippers in the name of
*brotherhood*, *peace* and *love* are blasphemous to the Creator. So? Live
and learn. Sooner or later the world will *get it*. You can't go against the
Creator for this is going against nature which spells only death, loving
Hashem's laws is choosing life.

"I set before you this day a blessing and a curse." Deuteronomy 11.26

YS








"West Wing Audio" wrote in message
...
Norma wrote:

2. The astute reader will have already gleaned from YS's postings
that
he/she places great importance on Toraic Law - insofar as he/she
understands it - as it relates not just to cats and animals in
general
but all of life. Toraic Law dictates that women are to be avoided,
indeed shunned, during their cycles as they are "unclean" by the
author's of the aforementioned Law.

Hey! Listen, you, as the non-astute writer, are totally wrong about
this.
So who is doing what? Norma

It's really quite simple. You asked, I replied. If you're not prepared
for answers that may run contrary to your belief or opinion, you'll
likely find a better use for your time in some other pursuit.

Good day.




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Tommy B wrote:

OK, time for TorahUpdate 2004. Download it now!
Wouldn't it be great if everyone had full time connection to his/her higher
power so there wouldn't be any need for Religion. When Jesus said "Be Like
Me" &" "The Kingdom of God is here at hand", I think that's what he ment. If
one comes from Love, one always does "the right thing"

The gnostic interpretation that you refer to was a major
movement in early Christianity and there is reason to
believe that even Christianity's creator, Paul, was gnostic.
Whoever wrote the gospel attributed to Thomas certainly
was and it bears reading. The Roman church nearly succeeded
in stamping out all evidence that the gnostic movement and
its writings ever existed.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

The Creator is within and without.
If one has a conscious contact with the Creator, then is not everything one
does inspired by that connection?
Maintaining it, is the hard part.
Tom



"ys" wrote in message
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"Tommy B" wrote in message
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one comes from Love, one always does "the right thing"


The right thing is what the Creator wants. Not what man or woman wants.
Not
what makes you necessarily feel good, but what is commanded of us. It is
Right because Hashem wants it to be done. Technically, Love is all
inclusive
of 10 different light energies which stream from the Creator. How to
receive
it, maintain it and generate it - is precisely what the Torah is here to
teach us. Torah is the blueprint for all of creation and the manuscript
for
life for all humanity. It teaches us to distinguish between right and
wrong
and how to live according to the laws set out for us by the Creator. 613
for
the Jews, 7 spiritual laws for non-Jews. One can't guess at what love is
and
certainly the brand of *love* exhibited by idol worshippers in the name of
*brotherhood*, *peace* and *love* are blasphemous to the Creator. So? Live
and learn. Sooner or later the world will *get it*. You can't go against
the
Creator for this is going against nature which spells only death, loving
Hashem's laws is choosing life.

"I set before you this day a blessing and a curse." Deuteronomy 11.26

YS








"West Wing Audio" wrote in message
...
Norma wrote:

2. The astute reader will have already gleaned from YS's postings
that
he/she places great importance on Toraic Law - insofar as he/she
understands it - as it relates not just to cats and animals in
general
but all of life. Toraic Law dictates that women are to be
avoided,
indeed shunned, during their cycles as they are "unclean" by the
author's of the aforementioned Law.

Hey! Listen, you, as the non-astute writer, are totally wrong about
this.
So who is doing what? Norma

It's really quite simple. You asked, I replied. If you're not
prepared
for answers that may run contrary to your belief or opinion, you'll
likely find a better use for your time in some other pursuit.

Good day.




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Whom or what do you consider the higher power?

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OK, time for TorahUpdate 2004. Download it now!
Wouldn't it be great if everyone had full time connection to his/her
higher
power so there wouldn't be any need for Religion. When Jesus said "Be Like
Me" &" "The Kingdom of God is here at hand", I think that's what he ment.
If
one comes from Love, one always does "the right thing"
Tom




"West Wing Audio" wrote in message
...
Norma wrote:

2. The astute reader will have already gleaned from YS's postings
that
he/she places great importance on Toraic Law - insofar as he/she
understands it - as it relates not just to cats and animals in
general
but all of life. Toraic Law dictates that women are to be avoided,
indeed shunned, during their cycles as they are "unclean" by the
author's of the aforementioned Law.

Hey! Listen, you, as the non-astute writer, are totally wrong about
this.
So who is doing what? Norma

It's really quite simple. You asked, I replied. If you're not prepared
for answers that may run contrary to your belief or opinion, you'll
likely find a better use for your time in some other pursuit.

Good day.

The Creator is within and without.
If one has a conscious contact with the Creator, then is not everything one
does inspired by that connection?
Maintaining it, is the hard part.


No kidding.
(Mark Steven Brooks/Elaterium Music)

You sound like one of those religious nuts who show up at your door with
bible in hand. I wish you would end this cross posting and leave the cat
group alone.

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"ys" wrote in message news:k1K5c.43440
The right thing is what the Creator wants. Not what man or woman wants.
Not
what makes you necessarily feel good, but what is commanded of us. It is
Right because Hashem wants it to be done. Technically, Love is all
inclusive
of 10 different light energies which stream from the Creator. How to
receive
it, maintain it and generate it - is precisely what the Torah is here to
teach us. Torah is the blueprint for all of creation and the manuscript
for
life for all humanity. It teaches us to distinguish between right and
wrong
and how to live according to the laws set out for us by the Creator. 613
for
the Jews, 7 spiritual laws for non-Jews. One can't guess at what love is
and
certainly the brand of *love* exhibited by idol worshippers in the name of
*brotherhood*, *peace* and *love* are blasphemous to the Creator. So? Live
and learn. Sooner or later the world will *get it*. You can't go against
the
Creator for this is going against nature which spells only death, loving
Hashem's laws is choosing life.

"I set before you this day a blessing and a curse." Deuteronomy 11.26

YS








"West Wing Audio" wrote in message
...
Norma wrote:

2. The astute reader will have already gleaned from YS's postings
that
he/she places great importance on Toraic Law - insofar as he/she
understands it - as it relates not just to cats and animals in
general
but all of life. Toraic Law dictates that women are to be
avoided,
indeed shunned, during their cycles as they are "unclean" by the
author's of the aforementioned Law.

Hey! Listen, you, as the non-astute writer, are totally wrong about
this.
So who is doing what? Norma

It's really quite simple. You asked, I replied. If you're not
prepared
for answers that may run contrary to your belief or opinion, you'll
likely find a better use for your time in some other pursuit.

Good day.




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The Creator is within and without.
If one has a conscious contact with the Creator, then is not everything one
does inspired by that connection?

But of course.

Maintaining it, is the hard part.

Not really, it just takes practice and can start small, once
a day, then twice a day then a little more frequently and
pretty soon it becomes the ground for the whole gestalt of life.

Muhammad's wisdom was in evidence in making regularaly
scheduled daily prayer one of the pillars of Islam. If he
only had spent a bit more time considering the falibility
and social evolution of man and a bit less on the perfection
of Al Lah and himself as the messenger he might have had the
wisdom to establish something after himself on a more
practical level that could have avoided the splits and
bloodshed that soon fouled it and persist to this day.


Bob
--

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simpler."

A. Einstein

Cat Protector wrote:

Whom or what do you consider the higher power?


Yes.


Bob
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simpler."

A. Einstein

In article , Bob Cain
wrote:

Muhammad's wisdom was in evidence in making regularaly
scheduled daily prayer one of the pillars of Islam. If he
only had spent a bit more time considering the falibility
and social evolution of man and a bit less on the perfection
of Al Lah and himself as the messenger he might have had the
wisdom to establish something after himself on a more
practical level that could have avoided the splits and
bloodshed that soon fouled it and persist to this day.


Bob




First of all, you are assuming what you read today as his words are
accurate. A preeeetty big assumption from my pov.

Second, he was speaking to those of his day. He coulda given two ****s
about people who've yet existed. And as far as building a better sand
castle for "something after himself", I would think that he'd also not
have given two ****s about that either.




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david wrote:


Muhammad's wisdom was in evidence in making regularaly
scheduled daily prayer one of the pillars of Islam. If he
only had spent a bit more time considering the falibility
and social evolution of man and a bit less on the perfection
of Al Lah and himself as the messenger he might have had the
wisdom to establish something after himself on a more
practical level that could have avoided the splits and
bloodshed that soon fouled it and persist to this day.


First of all, you are assuming what you read today as his words are
accurate. A preeeetty big assumption from my pov.

True enough and the history of the Quaran is certainly open
to debate. I've read some interesting points of view that
claim it to be no better authenticated or replicated than
the Christian writings and coopted for later goals just as
ruthlessly. Not, unfortunately, from Islamic scholars.


Second, he was speaking to those of his day. He coulda given two ****s
about people who've yet existed. And as far as building a better sand
castle for "something after himself", I would think that he'd also not
have given two ****s about that either.

That was sorta my point. How could a guy that thought he
was so plugged in have failed to look ahead in such
important ways. That just doesn't compute.

Contrary to your second statement, are you suggesting in the
first one that perhaps he did and it didn't make it through
the ensuing fight for succession? That's all together possible.


Bob
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again I'm dyslexic."

Tom



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Whom or what do you consider the higher power?

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OK, time for TorahUpdate 2004. Download it now!
Wouldn't it be great if everyone had full time connection to his/her
higher
power so there wouldn't be any need for Religion. When Jesus said "Be
Like
Me" &" "The Kingdom of God is here at hand", I think that's what he
ment.
If
one comes from Love, one always does "the right thing"
Tom




"West Wing Audio" wrote in message
...
Norma wrote:

2. The astute reader will have already gleaned from YS's postings
that
he/she places great importance on Toraic Law - insofar as he/she
understands it - as it relates not just to cats and animals in
general
but all of life. Toraic Law dictates that women are to be
avoided,
indeed shunned, during their cycles as they are "unclean" by the
author's of the aforementioned Law.

Hey! Listen, you, as the non-astute writer, are totally wrong about
this.
So who is doing what? Norma

It's really quite simple. You asked, I replied. If you're not
prepared
for answers that may run contrary to your belief or opinion, you'll
likely find a better use for your time in some other pursuit.

Good day.

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The Creator is within and without.


What does this mean? How does it actually translate into everyday living?


If one has a conscious contact with the Creator, then is not everything
one
does inspired by that connection?


What is consciousness?


Maintaining it, is the hard part.


So said the iMac repairman.

YS







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"Tommy B" wrote in message
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one comes from Love, one always does "the right thing"


The right thing is what the Creator wants. Not what man or woman wants.
Not
what makes you necessarily feel good, but what is commanded of us. It is
Right because Hashem wants it to be done. Technically, Love is all
inclusive
of 10 different light energies which stream from the Creator. How to
receive
it, maintain it and generate it - is precisely what the Torah is here to
teach us. Torah is the blueprint for all of creation and the manuscript
for
life for all humanity. It teaches us to distinguish between right and
wrong
and how to live according to the laws set out for us by the Creator. 613
for
the Jews, 7 spiritual laws for non-Jews. One can't guess at what love is
and
certainly the brand of *love* exhibited by idol worshippers in the name
of
*brotherhood*, *peace* and *love* are blasphemous to the Creator. So?
Live
and learn. Sooner or later the world will *get it*. You can't go against
the
Creator for this is going against nature which spells only death, loving
Hashem's laws is choosing life.

"I set before you this day a blessing and a curse." Deuteronomy 11.26

YS








"West Wing Audio" wrote in message
...
Norma wrote:

2. The astute reader will have already gleaned from YS's
postings
that
he/she places great importance on Toraic Law - insofar as he/she
understands it - as it relates not just to cats and animals in
general
but all of life. Toraic Law dictates that women are to be
avoided,
indeed shunned, during their cycles as they are "unclean" by the
author's of the aforementioned Law.

Hey! Listen, you, as the non-astute writer, are totally wrong
about
this.
So who is doing what? Norma

It's really quite simple. You asked, I replied. If you're not
prepared
for answers that may run contrary to your belief or opinion, you'll
likely find a better use for your time in some other pursuit.

Good day.




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ys wrote:

"Tommy B" wrote in message
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one comes from Love, one always does "the right thing"

The right thing is what the Creator wants. Not what man or woman wants. Not
what makes you necessarily feel good, but what is commanded of us.

The problem being that there is disagreement - often violent
disagreement - about "what the Creator wants." And whose version of the
Creator is to hold sway?

Witness the myriad splinter sects within every major world religion.
Which one follows the "true" Creator? And within that subset, which one
has the "true" understanding of what the Creator wants?

"MaxTransUnit" wrote in message
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ys wrote:

"Tommy B" wrote in message
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one comes from Love, one always does "the right thing"

The right thing is what the Creator wants. Not what man or woman wants.
Not
what makes you necessarily feel good, but what is commanded of us.

The problem being that there is disagreement - often violent
disagreement - about "what the Creator wants."

Because of division of the Torah into sub-parts which no longer resemble the
Original.


And whose version of the
Creator is to hold sway?


The word of God as given to Moses.




Witness the myriad splinter sects within every major world religion.
Which one follows the "true" Creator? And within that subset, which one
has the "true" understanding of what the Creator wants?


Chabad.


YS


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Stop cross-posting already! This stuff does not neet to be in a newsgroup
for cats.

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"ys" wrote in message
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"MaxTransUnit" wrote in message
...
ys wrote:

"Tommy B" wrote in message
hlink.net...

one comes from Love, one always does "the right thing"

The right thing is what the Creator wants. Not what man or woman
wants.
Not
what makes you necessarily feel good, but what is commanded of us.

The problem being that there is disagreement - often violent
disagreement - about "what the Creator wants."

Because of division of the Torah into sub-parts which no longer resemble
the
Original.


And whose version of the
Creator is to hold sway?


The word of God as given to Moses.




Witness the myriad splinter sects within every major world religion.
Which one follows the "true" Creator? And within that subset, which one
has the "true" understanding of what the Creator wants?


Chabad.


YS


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Sheena Weston wrote:
Why is it that cats generally make better pets for women, where
dogs usually make better pets for men? Of course, there are
always exceptions.

For the very reasons you give.