[Trevor]

On 28/09/2017 8:55 AM, Geoff wrote:
On 28/09/2017 2:45 AM, John Williamson wrote:
On 27/09/2017 12:41, wrote:
Not really a laughing matter, but it sounds like
that Behringer is FARTING!
It's called "motorboating" and is usually a sign of bad capacitors or
solder joints in the preamp or a feedback loop.

Probably an issue relating to manufacture with lead-free solder. May be
a batch issue, or something that needs/needed addressing a factory
processes level.

Yep, by far the 2 most common faults I find with most modern equipment
are crappy joints from lead free solder, and crappy Chinese electrolytic
capacitors.


I note that the people who have no trouble of going to the effort of
making Youtube videos to whinge often don't have the energy to simply
return the itemÂ* for a warranty repair or refund.

Or more likely the warranty has expired.

Trevor.

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They are all the same. Very noisy mixers. I was trying to use one for a ham radio input, but it had more noise than a Lexicon Alpha usb mixer. Not recomended for pro audio recording. Fine for d j or live mixes where the crowd volume is high.

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 11:32:49 -0800 (PST), wrote:

They are all the same. Very noisy mixers. I was trying to use one for a ham radio input, but it had more noise than a Lexicon Alpha usb mixer. Not recomended for pro audio recording. Fine for d j or live mixes where the crowd volume is high.

I've had two, and both have been extremely quiet. As good as anything
on the market.

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[geoff]

On 6/12/2017 9:24 AM, Don Pearce wrote:
On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 11:32:49 -0800 (PST), wrote:

They are all the same. Very noisy mixers. I was trying to use one for a ham radio input, but it had more noise than a Lexicon Alpha usb mixer. Not recomended for pro audio recording. Fine for d j or live mixes where the crowd volume is high.

I've had two, and both have been extremely quiet. As good as anything
on the market.

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Likewise. And reasonably solidly-built for good measure, given the
market-segment they occupy. Sure, there are better mixers out there in
most respects, at a price.

I can't imagine than anything could be too noisy wrt ham radio ! And
equally I would expect a good quiet mixer for DJ or live purposes.

geoff

[Scott Dorsey]

Geoff wrote:
On 6/12/2017 9:24 AM, Don Pearce wrote:
On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 11:32:49 -0800 (PST), wrote:

They are all the same. Very noisy mixers. I was trying to use one for a ham radio input, but it had more noise than a Lexicon Alpha usb mixer. Not recomended for pro audio recording. Fine for d j or live mixes where the crowd volume is high.

I've had two, and both have been extremely quiet. As good as anything
on the market.

Likewise. And reasonably solidly-built for good measure, given the
market-segment they occupy. Sure, there are better mixers out there in
most respects, at a price.

I have not used any of the Behringer consoles but I can say that many
manufacturers have had good and bad products for different markets at
different price points.
--scott

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[Trevor]

On 6/12/2017 12:11 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Geoff wrote:
On 6/12/2017 9:24 AM, Don Pearce wrote:
On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 11:32:49 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
They are all the same. Very noisy mixers. I was trying to use
one for a ham radio input, but it had more noise than a Lexicon
Alpha usb mixer. Not recomended for pro audio recording. Fine
for d j or live mixes where the crowd volume is high.

I've had two, and both have been extremely quiet. As good as
anything on the market.

I have used many. None of them was "very noisy".


Likewise. And reasonably solidly-built for good measure,

Well I wouldn't go that far. Something has to give to keep the cost
down, and with Behringer it's almost always the build quality.


given the market-segment they occupy.

Well yes, there aren't many better options at the same price, if any.


Sure, there are better mixers out there in most respects, at a
price.

As you should expect. There are however even worse mixers at the same
price or more.


I have not used any of the Behringer consoles but I can say that
many manufacturers have had good and bad products for different
markets at different price points.

Yes, but circuits in most of the Behringer consoles are similar or
identical, as is the performance in most cases, with a few exceptions.
None are terrible IME, BUT the number of users who have NO idea about
gain staging IS a problem. :-(
I'll bet the OP falls into that category.

Trevor.

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

On 05-12-2017 20:32, wrote:

They are all the same. Very noisy mixers. I was trying to use one for a ham radio input

And was that a professional line input designed for about 7 volts input
voltage before clipping? - if a more sensitive input, how did you
attenuate the voltage? - mostly a ham radio input would in my
understanding be an input for a high impedance load microphone and have
a sensitivity in - tja da dum, guesstimating - the 77 millivolt range.

Not recomended for pro audio recording

There are better electronics at the price that those have. However lots
of Behringer stuff is used for recording, notably the ADA8000 converters
and the mixer electronics is copy and paste from the same book of designs.

Fine for d j or live mixes where the crowd volume is high.

No no no no no and utter NO, in that very context signal to noise ratio
is extremely important, you do not get away with noisy electronics in
live audio, only the occasional noisy power amplifier fan, but that is
acoustic noise and mostly shadowed or contained by rack mounting. That
very point counts against your statement and not for it.

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[Phil Allison[_4_]]

Peter Larsen Man from Mars wrote:

-----------------------------------



Fine for d j or live mixes where the crowd volume is high.

No no no no no and utter NO, in that very context signal to noise ratio
is extremely important,


** Calm down Pete, you are raving like some usenet / social media nutter.


you do not get away with noisy electronics in
live audio,


** Of course you do.

Crowd noise in venue where alcohol is served can exceed 90dBA.

But maybe not on planet Mars where you live.


..... Phil

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

On 07-12-2017 01:50, Phil Allison wrote:

Peter Larsen Man from Mars wrote:

Fine for d j or live mixes where the crowd volume is high.

No no no no no and utter NO, in that very context signal to noise ratio
is extremely important,

** Calm down Pete, you are raving like some usenet / social media nutter.

Hey, I resent that, I didn't ALLCAP, right? ... O;-)

you do not get away with noisy electronics in
live audio,

** Of course you do.

Crowd noise in venue where alcohol is served can exceed 90dBA.

Not all live audio takes place in bars with drunk audiences. And if it
does, then listener to loudspeaker distance is tinnitussaly short
causing electronics noise to be very audible even for those of modest
sobriety. But perhaps not after the guitar solo ...

But maybe not on planet Mars where you live.

Nice to hear from you anyway, have a nice day Phil!

..... Phil

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[Phil Allison[_4_]]

Peter Larsen wrote:

-------------------------


Peter Larsen Man from Mars wrote:


--------------------------------


Fine for d j or live mixes where the crowd volume is high.

No no no no no and utter NO, in that very context signal to noise ratio
is extremely important,

** Calm down Pete, you are raving like some usenet / social media nutter.

Hey, I resent that, I didn't ALLCAP, right? ... O;-)


** Thank god for small mercies ........


you do not get away with noisy electronics in
live audio,

** Of course you do.

Crowd noise in venue where alcohol is served can exceed 90dBA.

Not all live audio takes place in bars with drunk audiences.



** FFS imbecile READ the ACTUAL comment you are replying to !!!!

See the words ".... crowd volume is high" ?????


( snipe pile of dumb ****e)


But maybe not on planet Mars where you live.

Nice to hear from you anyway,



** Your giant dish antenna works well ....


..... Phil

[jtees4]

On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 11:32:49 -0800 (PST), wrote:

They are all the same. Very noisy mixers. I was trying to use one for a ham radio input, but it had more noise than a Lexicon Alpha usb mixer. Not recomended for pro audio recording. Fine for d j or live mixes where the crowd volume is high.

I had one a few years ago, I returned it simply because of the noise.
So YES I had the same problem. Was very dissappointed. I do use a
Behringer usb interface, and as long as it is kept low it is quiet
enough. I also use a couple of Behringer microphones and those I have
always liked.

[Trevor]

On 7/12/2017 12:38 AM, jtees4 wrote:
On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 11:32:49 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

They are all the same. Very noisy mixers. I was trying to use one
for a ham radio input, but it had more noise than a Lexicon Alpha
usb mixer. Not recomended for pro audio recording. Fine for d j or
live mixes where the crowd volume is high.

I had one a few years ago, I returned it simply because of the
noise. So YES I had the same problem. Was very dissappointed.

Possibly faulty, they suffer from that more than noise as such IME.
Their power supplies are pretty terrible, and can cause noise problems
when they don't stop altogether however. As somebody else mentioned, the
effects are another possible problem area. (as are the operators in many
cases) You can certainly get better mixers if you are willing to pay
more money though.

Trevor.

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On Sunday, July 28, 2013 at 2:20:48 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY
please post.

XR18 Air - TWO dead channels!

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 9/9/2018 11:57 AM, wrote:

XR18 Air - TWO dead channels!

Have you contacted Behringer Tech Support? Anything can fail, and with
something as non-intuitive as a digital mixer, you could have a firmware
problem, or even undiscovered operator error.

There are three main reasons why you hear more about Behringer failures
than, say, API failures.

1. There are more Behringer mixers than API mixers so there are likely
to be more Behringers with failures.

2. Behringer owners are more likely to post their troubles on the
Internet (and rarely post resolution other than "I got rid of this piece
of junk and bought a ***), whereas API owners are more inclined to call
tech support, have their in-house tech take a look at it, or fix it
themselves.

3. Because of build, quality, and lack of real engineering problems in
the late 1990s, around the time that Internet activity picked up, their
poor reputation lives on until eternity, or when the Internet gets
turned off, whichever happens first.

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[John Williamson]

On 09/09/2018 18:30, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 9/9/2018 11:57 AM, wrote:

XR18 Air - TWO dead channels!

3. Because of build, quality, and lack of real engineering problems in
the late 1990s, around the time that Internet activity picked up, their
poor reputation lives on until eternity, or when the Internet gets
turned off, whichever happens first.

Witness the way this poster is replying to a five year old post...

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John.

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 9/9/2018 1:50 PM, John Williamson wrote:
Witness the way this poster is replying to a five year old post...

I did, but people have been posting about their "problems" with
Behringer gear since the 1990s, and will continue to do so. It doesn't
matter that the mixer in the video is a completely different animal than
the one in this week's post. No matter - Behringer has always sold their
gear as "professional" and some professionals even use a piece here and
there. And the more they sell, the more failures there will be for
people to post about, usually with the tone of "I knew I shouldn't have
bought this, so you'd better not buy one."

I'm sure that somewhere in the world there's someone else who has had
two channels fail on an X-18 mixer. If they're smart, they'll get it
fixed and move on. Behringer has pretty good warranty coverage as long
as you can get the box to them.


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John Williamson wrote: "Witness the way this poster is replying to a five year old post..."

Objection your honor! Deflection, vague, of
little substance. Witness the way this poster
switches topic of discussion to age of original
post when he disagrees on certain points.

[None]

Notorious retarded dumb-**** Theckhhhmaaah flatulated in message
...

John Williamson wrote: "Witness the way this poster is replying to a five
year old post..."

Objection your honor! Deflection, vague, of
little substance. Witness the way this poster
switches topic of discussion to age of original
post when he disagrees on certain points.

See how a retarded dumb-**** trolls.

Did you get banned from another moderated forum, li'l buddy? Did they make
you put on your hockey helmet and board the short bus for a quick trip out
of there? SBDF. ALKNF. FCKWAFA!

"I'm an audio guy!" -- Well-known audio moron and short-bus dumb-****
Theckkkkhhhhmaaaah Go Sickie.

[gareth magennis]

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On Sunday, July 28, 2013 at 2:20:48 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY
please post.

XR18 Air - TWO dead channels!




**********************


If they are 2 adjacent channels, it could be they share a dual op-amp or a
A/D converter which has broken.

It could even be the operator who did something stupid like plug am amp
output into an input, and then comes on here complaining that something
broke.
Or switched on a software Insert and didn't assign anything to it, but is
not capable of working that out.


Whatever, you get a lot of product for very little money with these kind of
things, often including a 3 year warranty.

But people still complain because they break occasionally, like a Neve or
SSL does too.


There is no pleasing some folk.
Particularly the clueless.



Gareth.

[Trevor]

On 10/09/2018 4:26 am, Gareth Magennis wrote:
If they are 2 adjacent channels, it could be they share a dual op-amp or
a A/D converter which has broken.

It could even be the operator who did something stupid like plug am amp
output into an input, and then comes on here complaining that something
broke.
Or switched on a software Insert and didn't assign anything to it, but
is not capable of working that out.


Whatever,Â* you get a lot of product for very little money with these
kind of things, often including a 3 year warranty.

But people still complain because they break occasionally, like a Neve
or SSL does too.


There is no pleasing some folk.
Particularly the clueless.

Agreed. I've seen plenty of Behringer failures over the years. Some due
to mis-treatment by operators, but a lot due to cost cutting on
Behringers part. However considering what you get for the money you
spend, I still think Behringer has created a low cost semi-pro market
segment they lead by a mile. But if you can afford Midas, they own that
now too. :-)

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 9/9/2018 10:53 PM, Trevor wrote:
I still think Behringer has created a low cost semi-pro market segment
they lead by a mile. But if you can afford Midas, they own that now too.

I asked a tech person from Behringer about the differences between the
Behringer X32 console and the Midas version, and what he described were
differences in some component choices, primarily the faders and encoders
- parts that are subject to mechanical wear in normal operation. The
Behringer version was introduced as a studio console, with the
recognition that there would be plenty of them used for low budget live
sound. The Midas version was introduced as a live sound console,
understanding that some would use it as a lower budget studio console.

Knowing that, on the average, there's less knob turning per work hour in
the studio than in live work, and overall less wear-and-tear on external
connectors, they beefed up those parts in the Midas. But the circuit
boards and (mostly) the software is the same in both because those have
more predictable reliability.

Behringer understands their market. The problem is that some of their
market doesn't understand Behringer, not realizing that there's a
tradeoff between price and quality, and some may be affected by that
more than others.


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[Trevor]

On 10/09/2018 11:18 pm, Mike Rivers wrote:
Behringer understands their market. The problem is that some of their
market doesn't understand Behringer, not realizing that there's a
tradeoff between price and quality, and some may be affected by that
more than others.

Yep, that about sums it up. You can't please everyone, but their
business model seems to be working for them.

[[email protected]]

On Sunday, July 28, 2013 at 7:20:48 PM UTC+1, wrote:
Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY
please post.

Hey guys, just a slightly unrelated question. I have a BEHRINGER EURODESK SL3242FX-PRO, and when i plugin power, via IEC, after about 15-20 mins of power, the console begins to repeatedly turn off, and back on again. I can't tell wether this is the input which is broken, or something in the circuitry.
Its definitely not the cable.
Cheers
Eric

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 02:56:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sunday, July 28, 2013 at 7:20:48 PM UTC+1, wrote:
Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY
please post.

Hey guys, just a slightly unrelated question. I have a BEHRINGER EURODESK SL3242FX-PRO, and when i plugin power, via IEC, after about 15-20 mins of power, the console begins to repeatedly turn off, and back on again. I can't tell wether this is the input which is broken, or something in the circuitry.
Its definitely not the cable.
Cheers
Eric

Behringer mixes use a switched-mode power supply containing
electrolytic capacitors that eventually fail from time and
temperature. The power supply is easily replaced if you don't feel up
to diagnosing the bad electrolytic.

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[Scott Dorsey]

wrote:

Hey guys, just a slightly unrelated question. I have a BEHRINGER EURODESK S=
L3242FX-PRO, and when i plugin power, via IEC, after about 15-20 mins of po=
wer, the console begins to repeatedly turn off, and back on again. I can't =
tell wether this is the input which is broken, or something in the circuitr=
y.=20
Its definitely not the cable.

This is likely a bad electrolytic which is leaking current and causing the
power supply to shut down. Actually, it's more likely to be a bunch of them.
The original caps are kind of cheap and the power supply is kind of marginal
so my inclination is to just shotgun out all the decoupling caps on stuff
like this. If you just replace the most leaky caps it'll be fine but then
six months later you'll have to pull it apart again.
--scott
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[geoff]

On 25/09/2018 2:57 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
wrote:

Hey guys, just a slightly unrelated question. I have a BEHRINGER EURODESK S=
L3242FX-PRO, and when i plugin power, via IEC, after about 15-20 mins of po=
wer, the console begins to repeatedly turn off, and back on again. I can't =
tell wether this is the input which is broken, or something in the circuitr=
y.=20
Its definitely not the cable.

This is likely a bad electrolytic which is leaking current and causing the
power supply to shut down. Actually, it's more likely to be a bunch of them.
The original caps are kind of cheap and the power supply is kind of marginal
so my inclination is to just shotgun out all the decoupling caps on stuff
like this. If you just replace the most leaky caps it'll be fine but then
six months later you'll have to pull it apart again.
--scott


SMPSs seem to be a weak point on much equipment - low, medium, and even
some high-end gear.

Lucky your problem is intermittent, which means that if caused by leaky
electros, then other components (ie semiconductors) haven't been taken
out in sympathy, as they often are with a 'full' SPMS failure.

Do replace the electros with 105° temperature-rated and low ESR ones, if
they will physically fit.

geoff