Brother Horace the Endlessly Repetitive said:

Some of you also get a self-esteem boost from duking it out
with audio-writer notables.

The only "audio-writer notables" who frequents RAO are John Atkinson and
some others from Stereophile. As I've mentioned before, Clerkie, those guys
are the recipients of soggy spitballs from sockpuppets like Dickie
"torrie****s" Malesweski, Mickey "NYOB" McMickey, Lionella "La Salope"
Sha-pwee, and Michael "Bwian McLardass" Conzo? Guess what, Clerkie --
they're all fans of yours and Krooger's.

Your army of sockpuppets, and welcome to Them.

In article ,
Howard Ferstler wrote:

MINe 109 wrote:

In article ,
Howard Ferstler wrote:

Actually, assuming
that you have jobs, you need to stop horsing around on RAO
and get back to work.

That's odd. You posted when you were still working. Is this the usual
Howard double-standard?

I retired years ago (seven, actually), but continued to do
sub work for the library up until about two years ago. They
were lucky to have me (remember, they hired me part time to
help out and not the other way around) and I could have
spent 3/4 of my time duking it out with you nitwits and the
library would still have been happy to have me on hand.

In any case, my point was that you guys seem ready to
respond to my post on almost a moment's notice, which tells
me that many of you sit at your desks all day long and
desperately try to make connections with fellow freakos.
Some of you also get a self-esteem boost from duking it out
with audio-writer notables.

I don't 'duke it out' with JA.

You really SHOULD try to get out more.

Haw, haw. Took six hours to see this one.

Are you disappointed not to make a connection?

Stephen

On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 04:20:06 GMT, MINe 109
wrote:

You really SHOULD try to get out more.

Haw, haw. Took six hours to see this one.

Maybe I should have waited until after I see Cheap Trick on Wed. to
answer this one.

dave weil wrote:

On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 04:20:06 GMT, MINe 109
wrote:


You really SHOULD try to get out more.

Haw, haw. Took six hours to see this one.


Maybe I should have waited until after I see Cheap Trick on Wed. to
answer this one.

My options for Wednesday evening are Robert Fripp at The Fillmore or the
Giants vs Kansas Cityat SBC Park.

I'm inclined towards the ball game, since Fripper's probably won't play
21st Century...

In article ,
Schizoid Man wrote:

dave weil wrote:

On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 04:20:06 GMT, MINe 109
wrote:


You really SHOULD try to get out more.

Haw, haw. Took six hours to see this one.


Maybe I should have waited until after I see Cheap Trick on Wed. to
answer this one.

My options for Wednesday evening are Robert Fripp at The Fillmore or the
Giants vs Kansas Cityat SBC Park.

I'm inclined towards the ball game, since Fripper's probably won't play
21st Century...

The Giants are terrible this year, but the ballpark's said to be cool.

I don't know what a Fripp solo show is like, but I doubt that playing
hits for fans is high on his list.

Stephen

MINe 109 wrote:

In article ,
Howard Ferstler wrote:

You really SHOULD try to get out more.

Haw, haw. Took six hours to see this one.

I'll bet you fidgeted continuously as you counted every
minute.

Howard Ferstler

In article ,
Howard Ferstler wrote:

MINe 109 wrote:

In article ,
Howard Ferstler wrote:

You really SHOULD try to get out more.

Haw, haw. Took six hours to see this one.

I'll bet you fidgeted continuously as you counted every
minute.

No, I read the time from the header and calculated the approximate
duration.

See you tomorrow,

Stephen

MINe 109 wrote:

In article ,
Howard Ferstler wrote:

MINe 109 wrote:

In article ,
Howard Ferstler wrote:

You really SHOULD try to get out more.

Haw, haw. Took six hours to see this one.

I'll bet you fidgeted continuously as you counted every
minute.

No, I read the time from the header and calculated the approximate
duration.

See you tomorrow,

Stephen

Don't bet on it. Interesting that this time you answered my
post in about 20 minutes.

Get a life.

Howard Ferstler

"Howard Ferstler" wrote in message
...

Don't bet on it. Interesting that this time you answered my
post in about 20 minutes.

Get a life.



And you responded back in 15 minutes.
Haw,haw, haw!!



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In article ,
Howard Ferstler wrote:

MINe 109 wrote:

In article ,
Howard Ferstler wrote:

MINe 109 wrote:

In article ,
Howard Ferstler wrote:

You really SHOULD try to get out more.

Haw, haw. Took six hours to see this one.

I'll bet you fidgeted continuously as you counted every
minute.

No, I read the time from the header and calculated the approximate
duration.

See you tomorrow,

Don't bet on it. Interesting that this time you answered my
post in about 20 minutes.

Get a life.

Sorry, I don't bother worrying how long I should wait before answering a
post. This afternoon, I checked my messages and found yours was there
and had been for twenty minutes, taking your word for it.

I came home from work just now, and here's your message, seven hours old.

Work was fun, BTW, and involved earplugs.

Stephen

Clyde Slick wrote:

"Howard Ferstler" wrote in message
...

Don't bet on it. Interesting that this time you answered my
post in about 20 minutes.

Get a life.


And you responded back in 15 minutes.
Haw,haw, haw!!

Sure. I drop in every few days and scope for about an hour,
or maybe a bit longer. Obviously, then, I would be in a
position to answer messages that appeared during that
period.

However, I then drop out for several days (this message
comes three days after yours) and do something productive.

On the other hand, virtually every time I drop in and post I
see responses to my messages that come within minutes. This
always seems to be the case, and I have to conclude that you
guys must have toilets built into your computer chairs.

You are always here, ready to respond at an instant.

Howard Ferstler

MINe 109 wrote:

Sorry, I don't bother worrying how long I should wait before answering a
post. This afternoon, I checked my messages and found yours was there
and had been for twenty minutes, taking your word for it.

I came home from work just now, and here's your message, seven hours old.

Work was fun, BTW, and involved earplugs.

My take on this is that you either operate a jackhammer or
work at a shooting range. Good thing you have those
earplugs.

Howard Ferstler

In article ,
Howard Ferstler wrote:

MINe 109 wrote:

Sorry, I don't bother worrying how long I should wait before answering a
post. This afternoon, I checked my messages and found yours was there
and had been for twenty minutes, taking your word for it.

I came home from work just now, and here's your message, seven hours old.

Work was fun, BTW, and involved earplugs.

My take on this is that you either operate a jackhammer or
work at a shooting range. Good thing you have those
earplugs.

No, and no. Yes, I need those earplugs: the work environment peaks at
102 dB.

Stephen

"Howard Ferstler" wrote in message
...


You are always here, ready to respond at an instant.


2 hours, 30 minutes, to be exact



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MINe 109 wrote:

In article ,
Howard Ferstler wrote:

MINe 109 wrote:

Sorry, I don't bother worrying how long I should wait before answering a
post. This afternoon, I checked my messages and found yours was there
and had been for twenty minutes, taking your word for it.

I came home from work just now, and here's your message, seven hours old.

Work was fun, BTW, and involved earplugs.

My take on this is that you either operate a jackhammer or
work at a shooting range. Good thing you have those
earplugs.

No, and no. Yes, I need those earplugs: the work environment peaks at
102 dB.

Stephen

Car-assembly plant? Jet engine test facility? Clown at kids'
birthday parties?

Howard Ferstler

"Howard Ferstler" wrote in message
...

Clown at kids'
birthday parties?


"At least" he's not an audio clown.



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In article ,
Howard Ferstler wrote:

MINe 109 wrote:

In article ,
Howard Ferstler wrote:

MINe 109 wrote:

Sorry, I don't bother worrying how long I should wait before answering
a
post. This afternoon, I checked my messages and found yours was there
and had been for twenty minutes, taking your word for it.

I came home from work just now, and here's your message, seven hours
old.

Work was fun, BTW, and involved earplugs.

My take on this is that you either operate a jackhammer or
work at a shooting range. Good thing you have those
earplugs.

No, and no. Yes, I need those earplugs: the work environment peaks at
102 dB.

Car-assembly plant? Jet engine test facility? Clown at kids'
birthday parties?

Musician.

Stephen

MINe 109 said:

No, and no. Yes, I need those earplugs: the work environment peaks at
102 dB.

Car-assembly plant? Jet engine test facility? Clown at kids'
birthday parties?

Musician.

Harold read a book about music once. For all these years, he has
believed that musicians are magical creatures who exist only in fairy
tales.

MINe 109 wrote:

In article ,
Howard Ferstler wrote:

MINe 109 wrote:

In article ,
Howard Ferstler wrote:

MINe 109 wrote:

Sorry, I don't bother worrying how long I should wait before answering
a
post. This afternoon, I checked my messages and found yours was there
and had been for twenty minutes, taking your word for it.

I came home from work just now, and here's your message, seven hours
old.

Work was fun, BTW, and involved earplugs.

My take on this is that you either operate a jackhammer or
work at a shooting range. Good thing you have those
earplugs.

No, and no. Yes, I need those earplugs: the work environment peaks at
102 dB.

Car-assembly plant? Jet engine test facility? Clown at kids'
birthday parties?

Musician.

Stephen

At 102 dB? Yoiks. We are talking about music degradation of
an extreme nature when ear plugs must be worn during a
performance.

Howard Ferstler

"George M. Middius" wrote:

Harold read a book about music once. For all these years, he has
believed that musicians are magical creatures who exist only in fairy
tales.

For the record, I do want to point out that I also have
published two books chock full of record reviews.

Howard Ferstler

Brother Horace the Tone-Deaf said:

Harold read a book about music once. For all these years, he has
believed that musicians are magical creatures who exist only in fairy
tales.

For the record, I do want to point out that I also have
published two books chock full of record reviews.

Do you mean records as in vinyl? I'm sure you had a lot of good things to say
about them.

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:54:48 -0400, Howard Ferstler
wrote:

MINe 109 wrote:

In article ,
Howard Ferstler wrote:

MINe 109 wrote:

In article ,
Howard Ferstler wrote:

MINe 109 wrote:

Sorry, I don't bother worrying how long I should wait before answering
a
post. This afternoon, I checked my messages and found yours was there
and had been for twenty minutes, taking your word for it.

I came home from work just now, and here's your message, seven hours
old.

Work was fun, BTW, and involved earplugs.

My take on this is that you either operate a jackhammer or
work at a shooting range. Good thing you have those
earplugs.

No, and no. Yes, I need those earplugs: the work environment peaks at
102 dB.

Car-assembly plant? Jet engine test facility? Clown at kids'
birthday parties?

Musician.

Stephen

At 102 dB? Yoiks. We are talking about music degradation of
an extreme nature when ear plugs must be worn during a
performance.

I take it then that your system at home never hits 102 dB. Good for
you, Howard.

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:55:48 -0400, Howard Ferstler
wrote:

"George M. Middius" wrote:

Harold read a book about music once. For all these years, he has
believed that musicians are magical creatures who exist only in fairy
tales.

For the record, I do want to point out that I also have
published two books chock full of record reviews.

How many cost more than $5.98 new at Amazon?

Howard Ferstler said:

No, and no. Yes, I need those earplugs: the work environment peaks at
102 dB.

Car-assembly plant? Jet engine test facility? Clown at kids'
birthday parties?

Musician.

At 102 dB? Yoiks. We are talking about music degradation of
an extreme nature when ear plugs must be worn during a
performance.


Are you aware of the SPL of a symphony orchestra when sitting in the
middle of it?

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

"dave weil" wrote in message
...

I take it then that your system at home never hits 102 dB. Good for
you, Howard.


Maybe he has Quads!



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George Middius wrote:

Brother Horace the Tone-Deaf said:

For the record, I do want to point out that I also have
published two books chock full of record reviews.

Do you mean records as in vinyl? I'm sure you had a lot of good things to say
about them.

These days, the CD is a record. Vinyl is, well, archaic. How
many record-review books (dealing with either the LP or the
CD) have you published, tweako?

Howard Ferstler

dave weil wrote:

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:54:48 -0400, Howard Ferstler
wrote:

At 102 dB? Yoiks. We are talking about music degradation of
an extreme nature when ear plugs must be worn during a
performance.

I take it then that your system at home never hits 102 dB. Good for
you, Howard.

Generally, 100 dB peaks are tops, and then only with action
movies. Never with music, even pop stuff. Ironically, this
means that I probably have four times the total system amp
power I need.

Howard Ferstler

Sander deWaal wrote:

Howard Ferstler said:

No, and no. Yes, I need those earplugs: the work environment peaks at
102 dB.

Car-assembly plant? Jet engine test facility? Clown at kids'
birthday parties?

Musician.

At 102 dB? Yoiks. We are talking about music degradation of
an extreme nature when ear plugs must be worn during a
performance.

Are you aware of the SPL of a symphony orchestra when sitting in the
middle of it?

I would imagine that it is pretty impressive if one is
sitting right in front of the horn sections. I wonder how
many classical musicians wear ear plugs when working that
way. I also wonder if such ear plug use would make it
difficult for the musicians to get their auditory clues and
cues correctly.

Howard Ferstler

"Howard Ferstler" wrote in message
...
Sander deWaal wrote:

Howard Ferstler said:

No, and no. Yes, I need those earplugs: the work environment peaks
at
102 dB.

Car-assembly plant? Jet engine test facility? Clown at kids'
birthday parties?

Musician.

At 102 dB? Yoiks. We are talking about music degradation of
an extreme nature when ear plugs must be worn during a
performance.

Are you aware of the SPL of a symphony orchestra when sitting in the
middle of it?

I would imagine that it is pretty impressive if one is
sitting right in front of the horn sections. I wonder how
many classical musicians wear ear plugs when working that
way. I also wonder if such ear plug use would make it
difficult for the musicians to get their auditory clues and
cues correctly.


In my younger days, playing and conducting,
I never had such problems. It didn't seem so
loud up on the stage.



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Brother Horace the Prematurely Ancient said:

For the record, I do want to point out that I also have
published two books chock full of record reviews.

Do you mean records as in vinyl? I'm sure you had a lot of good things to say
about them.

These days, the CD is a record. Vinyl is, well, archaic. How
many record-review books (dealing with either the LP or the
CD) have you published, tweako?

Oh, this is a dick-measuring contest? A minute ago you were begging me to
buy one of your sad little books.

I will say this about that, though: If my writing were as lifeless as
yours, I'd hang up my keyboard and become a fisherman.

George "Gapping Ass" Middius :

I will say this about that, though: If my writing were as lifeless as
yours, I'd hang up my keyboard and become a fisherman.

Note that with your keyboard you have only fished Art "Tiny" Sackman... :-D

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:34:39 -0400, Howard Ferstler
wrote:

dave weil wrote:

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:54:48 -0400, Howard Ferstler
wrote:

At 102 dB? Yoiks. We are talking about music degradation of
an extreme nature when ear plugs must be worn during a
performance.

I take it then that your system at home never hits 102 dB. Good for
you, Howard.

Generally, 100 dB peaks are tops, and then only with action
movies. Never with music, even pop stuff.

Ten you very likely never listen to orchestral music at lifelike
volumes.

Ironically, this
means that I probably have four times the total system amp
power I need.

Yep - that's money that could have been spent on software.

(the Ferstler Imperative)

In article ,
Howard Ferstler wrote:

MINe 109 wrote:

In article ,
Howard Ferstler wrote:

MINe 109 wrote:

In article ,
Howard Ferstler wrote:

MINe 109 wrote:

No, and no. Yes, I need those earplugs: the work environment peaks at
102 dB.

Car-assembly plant? Jet engine test facility? Clown at kids'
birthday parties?

Musician.

At 102 dB? Yoiks. We are talking about music degradation of
an extreme nature when ear plugs must be worn during a
performance.

No, the volume is an idiomatic requirement.

And, no, I don't play the viola.

Stephen

"Clyde Slick" said:

Are you aware of the SPL of a symphony orchestra when sitting in the
middle of it?

I would imagine that it is pretty impressive if one is
sitting right in front of the horn sections. I wonder how
many classical musicians wear ear plugs when working that
way. I also wonder if such ear plug use would make it
difficult for the musicians to get their auditory clues and
cues correctly.

In my younger days, playing and conducting,
I never had such problems. It didn't seem so
loud up on the stage.


It exceeds 100 dB SPL.

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

dave weil wrote:

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:34:39 -0400, Howard Ferstler
wrote:

dave weil wrote:

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:54:48 -0400, Howard Ferstler
wrote:

At 102 dB? Yoiks. We are talking about music degradation of
an extreme nature when ear plugs must be worn during a
performance.

I take it then that your system at home never hits 102 dB. Good for
you, Howard.

Generally, 100 dB peaks are tops, and then only with action
movies. Never with music, even pop stuff.

Ten you very likely never listen to orchestral music at lifelike
volumes.

Sure, live orchestral ensembles can get louder than that.
However, in small listening rooms SPLs at live-music levels
are more obnoxious than they would be in larger spaces. I
suggest you get a good SPL meter and monitor just how loud
the orchestral peaks are when you listen at home.

Ironically, this
means that I probably have four times the total system amp
power I need.

Yep - that's money that could have been spent on software.

(the Ferstler Imperative)

High power is cheap, and anyway, I got a great deal on the
gear. If my big, 23-year-old Carver M500 finally craps out I
will revert to using just the amps in my Yamaha RX-Z1
receiver. As it is, I use its two main amps to power that
custom-built center speaker and use the Carver to power the
mains.

Howard Ferstler