Gee, I didn't know he sang too. Impressive!!
If he did polkas, he could have released his work under the name,
"The Polka Pope", and then he could have made everybody in Vatican City buy
a copy. Now that's power!

Tom


"WillStG" wrote in message
oups.com...

S O'Neill wrote:

WillStG wrote:

playon wrote:
He's not talking about the pope as an individual... he's talking
about
the destructive and backward Catholic dogma that any pope must
neccessarily disseminate.


Gee, I guess you figure this is for you and Mr. West to judge
because your Doctorate in Philosophy is so much more deserved and
higher in quality than the Pope's, and because having done more
with
your life for other people than him you have the standing to judge
him,
and being loved by more people than he was people might actually
care
what you think.

How many people will atttend *your* funeral, Al?


I had a civics teacher in high school who answered every dissenter
with
"Care to argue with five years of college?" Credentials trump truth,
no
matter what; isn't that what you're saying?

Since I am clearly speaking a major blind spot in your character
Mr. O'Neil, and the character of many other shrill voices here, what I
have in fact been saying is

#1. There is more to the sum of a man's life than his political
views.

#2. How much you try to love other people is more important, and to
err on the side of loving other people is in the end forgivable.

#3. It shows a lack of common decency to bad mouth a dead man for
political reasons before he is even laid to rest, and to do so betrays
one's poverty of heart.

#4. The inablility to evaluate the value of a man's life except from
the prism of one's personal politics shows a major lack of
understanding of basic Humanistic values, whether it be Man centered
Humanism or God-centered Humanism.

#5. Has anyone here criticising the man ever peoven his courage as
the Pope did during the Nazi and Soviet occupations of Poland, or
sacrificed as much as he did personally for other people?

#6. The man's Doctorate in Philosophy was earned, not based on taking
crass political pot shots at the dead on an anonymous newsgroup.

#7. To assume you are smarter or more moral than an individual
because of your politically correct views, whether you have ever in
your life done a single thing for other people at your own expense, is
as superstitious a belief as that of a fundamentalist Christian who
thinks all that is required of him is to talk about what he beleives.
It does not make you a man to criticise others, particularly when they
are proven by many kinds of trials and testing and you are not.

#8. I do not judge the worth of the lives of my family members when
I sing at their funerals by who they voted for, or whetehr they agree
with me on issues like birth control. Politics is temporal, but loving
other people is what matters when all has turned to dust.

#9. If you would claim it is love for your fellow man that
motivates you to contemptuously rank on the Pope at this hour, I would
suggest there is a good deal about your inner life that remains
unexamined.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Staff Audio / Fox News / M-AES
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

playon wrote:

Can you read, Miho? I didn't see anyone making judgement on the
pope's personal character. I'm sure he was a charming and well
intentioned person. As usual, you are trying to pull what was a
debate into personal insults. FOAD if you can't do any better than
that.

You see what you want to see Al. But you guys did the same thing
when President Reagan died. And while I disagreed with the Pope on
many issues, it would be extremely tacky to argue over political and
Doctrinal differences like Papal Infallibility during the time of
mourning a man's life.

Perhaps Al, if some were in better practice at finding the good in
people, even when in disagreement with them, they could exhibit better
manners when people die. Have you ever tried saying 3 good things
about a person for every one bad thing you say? Try it for a month and
see if you can do it, the practice will make irritating people,
especially bad or evil people helpful to your personal development
(even guys like me g.)

Then you might even appreciate decent people who did as much with
their lives as Pope John Paul II did a bit better.

Will Miho
NY Music and TV Audio Guy
Staff Audio/Fox News/M-AES
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

playon wrote:
On 5 Apr 2005 10:29:49 -0700, "nmm" wrote:
Hey Will search back to the Hunter S Thompson thread.


Ah yes... how quickly they forget.

Where did I use Thompson's death as an excuse to rag on his
politics, philosophy or religious views? I made zero comments about
that. But shooting yourself in the head with a 5 year old kid on the
house, to be discovered by them, and while he was on the phone with
someone no less - *that* some here were even lauding as if some kind of
accomplishment.

Then with the Pope's death all you can muster is knee jerk
politics? Pathetic really.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Staff Audio/Fox News/M-AES
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

WillStG wrote:
playon wrote:
On 5 Apr 2005 10:29:49 -0700, "nmm" wrote:
Hey Will search back to the Hunter S Thompson thread.




Then with the Pope's death all you can muster is knee jerk
politics? Pathetic really.


Probably a lot of other Catholics find it offensive that the "Right
wing lunatic fringe of America" are claiming the Pope as their own in
some political ploy.

The fact is the Pope supported the Gdansk shipbuilder's Union in
Poland; A Trade Union! The tunnel view of American right wing Media are
trying to rehabilitate the sour memory of Ronald Reagan once again by
trying to associate him with the Holy Father.

The Pope stood up for the Palestinian people, and the people of Iraq
against American tyrany. Where is Fox news in reporting that? The Pope
also fought against the "playing god" of American politicians,
particularly George " Most executions in America" Bush for their use
of the Death Penalty; Once again Fox news doesn't report this.


It ios offensive that people of your ilk try and latch on to the
Catholic church at this time, convieniently cherrypicking issues.

nmm wrote:
WillStG wrote:
Then with the Pope's death all you can muster is knee jerk
politics? Pathetic really.


Probably a lot of other Catholics find it offensive that the "Right
wing lunatic fringe of America" are claiming the Pope as their own in
some political ploy.

You only prove my point, that you are incapable of seeing the
whole of a man's life but from the prism of personal politics. How
narrow minded. There is more to life than politics, although you can
diminish your own worth as a human being in a number of ways and make
that less true. Certainly insisting on making your political views
into articles of religious faith is one of the ways a person can make
themself into a pinhead.

Get a life Nick - even an artistic one.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Staff Audio/Fox News/M-AES
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

WillStG wrote:
nmm wrote:
WillStG wrote:
Then with the Pope's death all you can muster is knee jerk
politics? Pathetic really.


I find the way your station is covering the death of the Holy father
offensive. They are doing it with a political bent that is not in
accordance with facts.



Probably a lot of other Catholics find it offensive that the "Right
wing lunatic fringe of America" are claiming the Pope as their own
in
some political ploy.

You only prove my point, that you are incapable of seeing the
whole of a man's life but from the prism of personal politics.


Not even close to true. That is the American Media coverage of him. It
is offensive to anyone to eulogise a man of peace such as John Paul
the 2nd in the same sentance as a war criminal like Ronald Reagan. Yes
they were both figures from the late 20th Century; so was Idi Amin, who
was a lot more akin to Reagan.


How
narrow minded. There is more to life than politics, although you can
diminish your own worth as a human being in a number of ways and make
that less true. Certainly insisting on making your political views
into articles of religious faith is one of the ways a person can make
themself into a pinhead.


You are speaking reflexively Will. The program you work on just 2 years
ago reffered to The Holy father as a "Wide Eyed Liberal Loon" - Sean
Hannity. Don't you pay attention to the garbage that passes through
your audio chain?

Now you are trying to latch onto him, to gain from his greatness. I
find that the mark of very sad and pathetic charachter, such as
yourself.

"WillStG" wrote in message ...

Certainly insisting on making your political views
into articles of religious faith is one of the ways a person can make
themself into a pinhead.


Are you dissing George Bush again ?


;-)

On 6 Apr 2005 09:47:01 -0700, "WillStG" wrote:


playon wrote:

Can you read, Miho? I didn't see anyone making judgement on the
pope's personal character. I'm sure he was a charming and well
intentioned person. As usual, you are trying to pull what was a
debate into personal insults. FOAD if you can't do any better than
that.

You see what you want to see Al. But you guys did the same thing
when President Reagan died. And while I disagreed with the Pope on
many issues, it would be extremely tacky to argue over political and
Doctrinal differences like Papal Infallibility during the time of
mourning a man's life.

Well I guess we are more tacky than you, Will. I'll try to live with
the horror of it all.

Perhaps Al, if some were in better practice at finding the good in
people, even when in disagreement with them, they could exhibit better
manners when people die.

For the 3rd frickin time, Will... it was not about the individual!!!!!
You are stuck on the track aren't ya.

A;

"J_West" wrote in message
ups.com...
Well sort of .... Years ago I was running sound for one of the Pope's
visits. I made recording off of the board.



And now he's dead.

Coincidence?

I think not.

dtk

dt king wrote:
"J_West" wrote in message
ups.com...
Well sort of .... Years ago I was running sound for one of the Pope's
visits. I made recording off of the board.



And now he's dead.

Coincidence?

I think not.

dtk

Wow that's creepy 'cause I just played my tape backwards and I could
swear I heard ... "I buried John Paul" !!

Is Will in on this? He seems disturbed.

J_West wrote:
dt king wrote:
"J_West" wrote in message
ups.com...
Well sort of .... Years ago I was running sound for one of the
Pope's
visits. I made recording off of the board.



And now he's dead.

Coincidence?

I think not.

dtk

Wow that's creepy 'cause I just played my tape backwards and I could
swear I heard ... "I buried John Paul" !!

Is Will in on this? He seems disturbed.

I don't think www.paddypower.com has "George-Ringo the First" listed as
a name for the next pope. It'd be more than 100 to 1.

nmm wrote:
WillStG wrote:
nmm wrote:
WillStG wrote:
Then with the Pope's death all you can muster is knee jerk
politics? Pathetic really.


I find the way your station is covering the death of the Holy father
offensive. They are doing it with a political bent that is not in
accordance with facts.

Address your complaints to Fox News viewer services, or
foxnews.com.
This is rec.audio.pro, I am an audio guy, and addressing your
complaints about FNC's editorial and production decisions to me is like
complaining to Al Yankovic about the Pope.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Staff Audio/Fox News/M-AES
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

WillStG wrote:

Well Old Will has taken to writing me private emails, as he doesn't
want to broadcast his ignorance these days. Here is an example of what
his claimed employer is doing that offends Catholics. Making a
political issue of the Pope's works by missrepresenting what the Pope
said.


http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=5689

FOX 'News' misstates (or Lies About) Pope John Paul II's Position
on Iraq
2 comment(s).
Neil Cavuto Misstates (or Lies About) Pope John Paul II's Position on
Iraq

Neil Cavuto (I'll be generous, for now) vastly misstated Pope John
Paul II's position on the Iraq war today (April 4, 2005) on Your
World w/Neil Cavuto.

Hussein Ibish of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee was a
guest. (Fox identified him as being from the "Progressive Muslim Unit,"
whatever that is.) Hussein was speaking about Pope John Paul's
pacifism and about his frequent support for people on both sides of an
issue.

Ibish: "I think he impressed a lot of people in the Arab and Islamic
world by taking a strong stance against the war in Iraq and by taking,
by rejecting, you know, very categorically the idea of preemptive
warfare, and what have you. So, he was respected both as a religious
figure but also as a political figure who was able to be a friend of
Israel and a friend of the Palestinians at the same time. Something we
might want to..."

Cavuto, interrupting: "Well, to be fair, his views were not that black
and white on the war in Iraq, but, Hussein thank you very much."

Ibish: "No. I think you're wrong about that."

Cavuto: "Well, we can argue but I don't want to argue with you today
because I like you."

Comment: No, Neil, Hussein Ibish is right and you're wrong. The Pope
was adamantly against the Iraq war (see below). His views were very
black and white. Given Fox's (cynical, in my opinion) wall-to-wall
coverage of the Pope's life and death, it's unseemly, to say the
least, to simultaneously denigrate him by lying about his political
positions.

Houston Catholic Worker:

[O]nly peace is the road to follow to construct a more just and united
society.

The American Catholic:

War is never just another means that one can choose to employ for
settling differences between nations.

CBS News:

The pope spoke out forcefully against the U.S. war in Iraq, and
reproached George W. Bush about it, both in public and private, at the
last of their four visits.

Reported by Melanie http://www.newshounds.us/2005/04/04...

by : News Hounds
Wednesday 6th April 2005

WillStG wrote:
nmm wrote:
WillStG wrote:
nmm wrote:
WillStG wrote:
Then with the Pope's death all you can muster is knee
jerk
politics? Pathetic really.


I find the way your station is covering the death of the Holy
father
offensive. They are doing it with a political bent that is not in
accordance with facts.

Address your complaints to Fox News viewer services, or
foxnews.com.
This is rec.audio.pro, I am an audio guy, and addressing your
complaints about FNC's editorial and production decisions to me is
like
complaining to Al Yankovic about the Pope.


This is wonderful Will. You are the Weird Al of Right wing audio.
Finaly you are too ashamed to stand behind the work you do spreading
lies. Though it's not that courageous a stand, it is a lot coming from
you.

nmm wrote:
WillStG wrote:
Address your complaints to Fox News viewer services, or
foxnews.com.
This is rec.audio.pro, I am an audio guy, and addressing your
complaints about FNC's editorial and production decisions to me is
like
complaining to Al Yankovic about the Pope.

This is wonderful Will. You are the Weird Al of Right wing audio.
Finaly you are too ashamed to stand behind the work you do spreading
lies. Though it's not that courageous a stand, it is a lot coming
from
you.

What is clear is that you are using the death of the Pope as a
vehicle for *your* poltical beliefs - your emotional attempts to
demonize me as "Right Wing" aside. And I have certainly not done that
here on this audio group, or anywhere, much less at Fox News.

Will Miho
NY Music and TV Audio Guy
Staff Audio/Fox News/M-AES
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

WillStG wrote:
nmm wrote:
WillStG wrote:
Address your complaints to Fox News viewer services, or
foxnews.com.
This is rec.audio.pro, I am an audio guy, and addressing your
complaints about FNC's editorial and production decisions to me
is
like
complaining to Al Yankovic about the Pope.

This is wonderful Will. You are the Weird Al of Right wing audio.
Finaly you are too ashamed to stand behind the work you do
spreading
lies. Though it's not that courageous a stand, it is a lot coming
from
you.

What is clear is that you are using the death of the Pope as a
vehicle for *your* poltical beliefs - your emotional attempts to
demonize me as "Right Wing" aside. And I have certainly not done
that
here on this audio group, or anywhere, much less at Fox News.



You are someone who misrepresents the Pope's views in order to further
your political agenda. I apreciate the pope for who and what he was,
and his works as a man of peace. You are an advocate of war, and
someone who supports genocide. It is offensive that you are twisting
the facts to make the pope useful to your right wing agenda.

With the passing of the Holy Father, and Fred Korematsu, and other men
of reason is very distasteful to hear people like your trying to soil
the Pope's deeds, and latch onto something that you are not part of .

nmm wrote:
You are someone who misrepresents the Pope's views in order to
further
your political agenda. I apreciate the pope for who and what he was,
and his works as a man of peace. You are an advocate of war, and
someone who supports genocide. It is offensive that you are twisting
the facts to make the pope useful to your right wing agenda.

With the passing of the Holy Father, and Fred Korematsu, and other
men
of reason is very distasteful to hear people like your trying to
soil
the Pope's deeds, and latch onto something that you are not part of
..

Bull**** Nick. I have not said word one about the Pope's views on
anything, let alone his political positions, here, in emails to you, or
anywhere else. Typical for you to make unsupportable claims though, as
an excuse to launch into one of your political rants.

What I *have* said is that some people - such as yourself - are
unable to view the totality of a man's life except through the prism of
your rigidly dogmatic political beliefs. And this because politics has
assumed the role of religion in your life, and this to the diminishment
of your own worth and lack of appreciation of our common humanity.

My advice to you would be to stop worshipping at the altar of
ideological dinosaurs like your avowed hero Fidel Castro and get a
*real* life; it is not helping you to become a better person, to become
a man of substance.

But it's your one life to live. I'm done with this thread.

Will Miho
NY Music and TV Audio Guy
Staff Audio/Fox News/M-AES
"The large print giveth and the samll print taketh away..." Tom Waits

WillStG wrote:

Bull**** Nick. I have not said word one about the Pope's views on

Here ya go then:




From the May 4th, 2002 NY Times-

Pope John Paul II turns 82 this month, and he looks more mortal by the
day. In his photo op with the American cardinals last week, he was so
infirm and unintelligible that you wanted to avert your eyes out of
pity. But let's not. The uncomfortable and largely unspoken truth is
that the current turmoil in the Roman Catholic Church is not just a sad
footnote to the life of a beloved figure. This is a crisis of the pope's
making.

I do not mean that the pope condones child abuse, although his zeal to
combat it ranks right down with that of, say, Cardinal Bernard Law, the
pedophile-juggling head of the Boston archdiocese. Despite what you may
have read, the pope has not apologized for anything, nor has he
acknowledged anything amiss in the hierarchy's decades of dissembling —
or, as he dismissively put it, the way church leaders "are perceived to
have acted." The fact that the pope's passing reference to the rape of
children as a "crime" was treated as a bolt of divine enlightenment
reflects just how eager we are to let him off the hook.

It should be clear by now that this scandal is only incidentally about
forcing sex on minors. There is no evidence so far that predator priests
are more common than predator teachers or predator doctors or predator
journalists. The scandal is the persistent failure of the church
hierarchy to comprehend, to care and to protect. The Boy Scouts, not an
organization in the vanguard of sexual enlightenment, adopted a clear,
firm policy to protect children from molestation 19 years ago. The
Catholic bishops and their Vatican handlers, meanwhile, are still
parsing the rhetorical fine points of "zero tolerance," which is at best
an empty slogan (does anyone favor "10 percent tolerance"?) and at worst
a way of abdicating responsibility.

The pope lamented last week that the child abuse scandal is eroding
trust in the church. But that is rather backward. American Catholics
have reacted so explosively to this sordid affair precisely because they
felt so little trust to begin with. The distrust is the legacy of Pope
John Paul II.

One paradox of the Polish pope is that while he is rightly revered for
helping bring down the godless Communists, he has replicated something
very like the old Communist Party in his church. Karol Wojtyla has
shaped a hierarchy that is intolerant of dissent, unaccountable to its
members, secretive in the extreme and willfully clueless about how
people live. The Communists mouthed pieties about "social justice" and
the rule of the working class while creating a corrupt dictatorship of
bureaucrats. Russians boiled this down to a cynical adage: We pretend to
work, and they pretend to pay us. For American Catholics, the
counterpart is: They pretend to lead, and we pretend to follow.

Like the Communist Party circa Leonid Brezhnev, the Vatican exists first
and foremost to preserve its own power. This is disheartening for the
many good Catholics who hope this crisis will provoke a renaissance in
their church. Nobody quite says it this way, but one reason many
Catholics see the moment as ripe for reform is that this pope is on his
last legs. Soon, the hope goes, a vigorous new leader may emerge.

Maybe so. But like the Communists, John Paul has carefully constructed a
Kremlin that will be inhospitable to a reformer. He has strengthened the
Vatican equivalent of the party Central Committee, called the Curia, and
populated it with reactionaries. He has put a stamp of papal
infallibility on the issue of ordaining women, making it more difficult
for a successor to come to terms with the issue. He has trained bishops
that the path of advancement is obsequious obedience to himself. Alarmed
by priests who showed too much populist sympathy for their parishioners,
the pope, according to the Notre Dame historian R. Scott Appleby, has
turned seminaries into factories of conformity, begetting a generation
of inflexible young priests who have no idea how to talk to real-life
Catholics.

Next month, after years of resistance, the American church is supposed
to begin requiring that theologians teaching in Catholic universities
accept a "mandatum" from their bishops, a pledge of allegiance to
doctrinal orthodoxy. The American bishops fear this will stifle
intellectual discussion, but the pope insists. No glasnost on his watch.

Nor is the pope about to let America's uppity laity exploit the current
crisis to claim a greater voice in their own affairs. The American
policy on handling sexual abuse is to be dictated by Rome. And while a
large majority of Catholics want leaders who mishandled marauding
priests to resign, the culpability of bishops is not even on the
Vatican's agenda. It now seems clear that the pope declined to let
Cardinal Law resign because he feared it might give the laity the idea
their opinion mattered. Cardinal Law promptly marched home and quashed
efforts by restive Boston Catholics to organize an association of parish
councils. How Soviet is that?

What reform might mean in the church is something I leave to Catholics
who care more than I do. I am what a friend calls a "collapsed Catholic"
— well beyond lapsed — and therefore claim no voice in whom the church
ordains or how it prays or what it chooses to call a sin.

But the struggle within the church is interesting as part of a larger
struggle within the human race, between the forces of tolerance and
absolutism. That is a struggle that has given rise to great migrations
(including the one that created this country) and great wars (including
one we are fighting this moment against a most virulent strain of
intolerance).

The Catholic Church has not, over the centuries, been a stronghold of
small-c catholic values, which my dictionary defines as "broad in
sympathies, tastes, or understanding; liberal." This is, after all, the
church that gave us the Crusades and the Inquisition.

That seemed destined to change after the Second Vatican Council of
1962-65, which relaxed the grip of the papal apparat and elevated the
importance of individual conscience. The Vatican II spirit of a more
open and dynamic church invigorated American Catholic support for civil
rights and other liberal causes. But it soon ran smack-dab into the
sexual revolution.

Probably no institution run by a fraternity of aging celibates was going
to reconcile easily with a movement that embraced the equality of women,
abortion on demand and gay rights. It is possible, though, to imagine a
leadership that would have given it a try. In fact, Pope Paul VI
indicated some interest in adopting a more lenient view of birth
control, and he handpicked a committee of prominent Catholics who
endorsed the idea almost by acclamation. The pope agonized, and then
astonished Catholics by reaffirming the old ban.

"If you want to look for where credibility on human sexuality got lost,
it got lost there," said the Catholic University sociologist William
D'Antonio.

There is some reason to believe the man who changed that pope's mind on
birth control was the Polish cardinal who would succeed him. Whether or
not that is true, once Cardinal Wojtyla ascended to the papacy he
adhered to the most austere, doctrinaire view of sexual ethics, and the
most hierarchical concept of church governance.

Implored by Catholics to consider, at least, the lifesaving power of
condoms in the age of AIDS, John Paul II was unyielding. He actually
grouped contraception with genocide in a litany of "intrinsically evil"
acts that condemn sinners to hell for eternity. "The vast majority of
Catholic married couples, that is, stand on the wrong side of the abyss
with Hitler and Pol Pot," as Charles R. Morris observed in his splendid
history of American Catholicism.

In America most Catholics ignore the pope on this, as they do on divorce
and remarriage, abortion, sex out of wedlock, homosexuality and many
other things Rome condemns as violations of natural law. It seems fair
to say that a church that was not so estranged from its own members on
subjects of sex and gender, a more collegial church, would have handled
the issue of child abuse earlier and better.

There is a dwindling population of older Catholic conservatives who say,
in effect, the pope's the man, love it or leave it. And there is a
growing population of American Catholics who are doing just that —
withdrawing tacitly from Rome while keeping the faith in their own
parishes, if they happen to have accommodating clergy, or in their own
hearts. Whether the church will reform, or fracture, or continue this
continental drift, I have no way of knowing, but I wonder how long faith
withstands such a corrosive rain of hypocrisy.
by Bill Keller

On 7 Apr 2005 09:40:21 -0700, "WillStG" wrote:


nmm wrote:
WillStG wrote:
nmm wrote:
WillStG wrote:
Then with the Pope's death all you can muster is knee jerk
politics? Pathetic really.


I find the way your station is covering the death of the Holy father
offensive. They are doing it with a political bent that is not in
accordance with facts.

Address your complaints to Fox News viewer services, or
foxnews.com.
This is rec.audio.pro, I am an audio guy, and addressing your
complaints about FNC's editorial and production decisions to me is like
complaining to Al Yankovic about the Pope.

So who *do* we complain to about the pope?

Al

On 7 Apr 2005 10:44:07 -0700, "WillStG" wrote:


nmm wrote:
WillStG wrote:
Address your complaints to Fox News viewer services, or
foxnews.com.
This is rec.audio.pro, I am an audio guy, and addressing your
complaints about FNC's editorial and production decisions to me is
like
complaining to Al Yankovic about the Pope.

This is wonderful Will. You are the Weird Al of Right wing audio.
Finaly you are too ashamed to stand behind the work you do spreading
lies. Though it's not that courageous a stand, it is a lot coming
from
you.

What is clear is that you are using the death of the Pope as a
vehicle for *your* poltical beliefs - your emotional attempts to
demonize me as "Right Wing" aside.

Is being "right wing" demonic? You certainly are right-wing...
demonic, I dunno.

Al

nmm wrote:
WillStG wrote:

What is clear is that you are using the death of the Pope as a
vehicle for *your* poltical beliefs - your emotional attempts to
demonize me as "Right Wing" aside. And I have certainly not done that
here on this audio group, or anywhere, much less at Fox News.

You are someone who misrepresents the Pope's views in order to further
your political agenda. I apreciate the pope for who and what he was,
and his works as a man of peace. You are an advocate of war, and
someone who supports genocide.

Genocide? I haven't been following this discussion, but whatever it
is that you're discussing, I'm now positive that Will is right and
you're wrong, because if you were right about whatever it is, there'd
be no need to make up random BS like that to support your side.

- Logan

Logan Shaw wrote:
nmm wrote:
WillStG wrote:

What is clear is that you are using the death of the Pope as a
vehicle for *your* poltical beliefs - your emotional attempts to
demonize me as "Right Wing" aside. And I have certainly not done
that
here on this audio group, or anywhere, much less at Fox News.

You are someone who misrepresents the Pope's views in order to
further
your political agenda. I apreciate the pope for who and what he
was,
and his works as a man of peace. You are an advocate of war, and
someone who supports genocide.

Genocide? I haven't been following this discussion, but whatever it
is that you're discussing, I'm now positive that Will is right and
you're wrong, because if you were right about whatever it is, there'd
be no need to make up random BS like that to support your side.

- Logan



Will like a lot of the American right wing Media are abusing the image
of Pope John Paul II, and cherry picking parts of what he said to
reinforce their own ideology. Will never had anything good to say
about the Pope when he was alive, and now is trying to ride on the
Pope's coattails in death.

Will has always been an advocate of war. He has stated many times here
his support for Vietnam, Iraq, the contras, and various other
attrocities. Anyone who really was 'in tune' with the message of Pope
John Paul II would be disgusted that someone like Will is trying to
get into the Pope's corner now.