On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:21:09 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
wrote:


"Jim Gilliland" wrote in message...

And here's their latest innovation:

http://www.shakti-innovations.com/hallograph.htm


Oh my.... :-\




They say they have a patent pending for that... wonder if it's true.
What are the patent regulations, does the patented invention actually
have to work, or can any crazy thing be patented?

Al

They say they have a patent pending for that... wonder if it's true.
What are the patent regulations, does the patented invention actually
have to work, or can any crazy thing be patented?

In theory, a patented invention must be "useful", "novel", and
"non-obvious". Most would say that "useful" requires that it actually
work, at least to some extent. It used to be the case, long ago, that
you had to actually build at least a working model and be able to
demonstrate that the device worked.

However, in practice, the rules have changed. Many patent claims are
allowed based solely on a description (which must, again in principle,
be sufficiently detailed to allow someone skilled in the art to
reproduce the invention as described) and no working model is ever
presented. It's also clear that many patent examiners are content to
accept the filer's explanation about how and why the invention works,
and that they're sometimes woefully ignorant of the actual state of
the art and of the existence of relevant prior art.

On the other hand, "patent pending" simply means that they've filed.
It doesn't mean that the patent has been issued, or has even been
allowed and is on the way to being issued. It's entirely possible
that most or all of their claims have been, or will be laughed out of
court by the patent examiner.

Even if they do have a valid patent claim in the works, there's
nothing definite to say that their flowery public description about
how their product is supposed to work, corresponds at all closely to
the wording in the patent claims. They might have filed a patent
claim for some narrowly-worded aspect of the design of this specific
product (e.g. a specific size and shape of the ripples), without
trying to claim wider coverage via a "utility" patent and its
description and claims.

--
Dave Platt AE6EO
Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!

"Dave Platt" wrote in message
...
They say they have a patent pending for that... wonder if it's true.
What are the patent regulations, does the patented invention actually
have to work, or can any crazy thing be patented?

In theory, a patented invention must be "useful", "novel", and
"non-obvious". Most would say that "useful" requires that it actually
work, at least to some extent. It used to be the case, long ago, that
you had to actually build at least a working model and be able to
demonstrate that the device worked.

They say one of the simplest patents ever granted was for the number 1.65.
It was granted to Phillip H. Smith as the optimum diameter ratio for a
coaxial transmission line.

Not often I get to use that bit of trivia.

dtk

I think someone needs to collect all this stuff and put it on one
website... www.audiofraud.org or something. It would be a public
service.

Al

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:54:38 -0500, Jim Gilliland
wrote:

Agent_C wrote:
I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story...


Some of my favorite snake oil products have come from the Shakti company:

http://www.shakti-innovations.com/audiovideo.htm

They not only improve your audio, but the same technology will make your
car run better!

http://www.shakti-innovations.com/automotive.htm

And here's their latest innovation:

http://www.shakti-innovations.com/hallograph.htm

Jim Gilliland wrote:
Agent_C wrote:
I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story...


Some of my favorite snake oil products have come from the Shakti
company:

http://www.shakti-innovations.com/audiovideo.htm

They not only improve your audio, but the same technology will make
your
car run better!

http://www.shakti-innovations.com/automotive.htm

And here's their latest innovation:

http://www.shakti-innovations.com/hallograph.htm

Those things improve the sound in the room so much that they make it
*look* like there's a violin in the room with you! Amazing.

Karl Winkler
Lectrsonics, Inc.
http://www.lectrsonics.com

On 3 Mar 2005 13:25:07 -0800, "Karl Winkler"
wrote:


Jim Gilliland wrote:
Agent_C wrote:
I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story...


Some of my favorite snake oil products have come from the Shakti
company:

http://www.shakti-innovations.com/audiovideo.htm

They not only improve your audio, but the same technology will make
your
car run better!

http://www.shakti-innovations.com/automotive.htm

And here's their latest innovation:

http://www.shakti-innovations.com/hallograph.htm

Those things improve the sound in the room so much that they make it
*look* like there's a violin in the room with you! Amazing.

They had to have something real in the picture to give it some cred.

Al

"play on" wrote in message
...
On 3 Mar 2005 13:25:07 -0800, "Karl Winkler"
wrote:


Jim Gilliland wrote:
Agent_C wrote:
I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story...


Some of my favorite snake oil products have come from the Shakti
company:

http://www.shakti-innovations.com/audiovideo.htm

They not only improve your audio, but the same technology will make
your
car run better!

http://www.shakti-innovations.com/automotive.htm

And here's their latest innovation:

http://www.shakti-innovations.com/hallograph.htm

Those things improve the sound in the room so much that they make it
*look* like there's a violin in the room with you! Amazing.

They had to have something real in the picture to give it some cred.

Al

the violin was just there to string you along

In article ,
says...

Agent_C wrote:
I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story...
Some of my favorite snake oil products have come from the Shakti company:
http://www.shakti-innovations.com/audiovideo.htm
They not only improve your audio, but the same technology will make your
car run better!
http://www.shakti-innovations.com/automotive.htm
And here's their latest innovation:
http://www.shakti-innovations.com/hallograph.htm

Gee those folks at shakti are stupid. On their web site they show acceleration
times of Cheby Tahoe. The before time is 10.83. The after time is 11.16 . So
it clearly shows their snake oil stones makes things worse.
------------
Alex

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 05:43:04 -0800, Agent_C wrote:

I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story...


When I was a kid back in the early 70's, I went with a fellow audiophile
friend of mine to BrandsMart which was a place where you needed a
membership card to get in.
We went to the audio section and they had quite a selection of equipment
there at all price ranges.

Anyway, my friend wanted to buy some speakers so we were audtioning all
the ones on this giant wall of speakers with this remote control thing
that allowed us to switch between various models.

He like the sound of some mid-line BOSE speakers, not the 901's, but some
box model like 601 or 301 or something like that.
We commented to the salesman who happened to be this black guy who looked
exactly like Nipsey Russel or Dr. J of the Nets that the sound seemed to
be coming from everywhere when we switched to the Bose speakers.

He blurted out in this 1970's ghetto accent "Maaaannnnnn THAT'S da TRICK
of Da BOSE"!!!!!

We quickly figured out that the "trick of the Bose" was having another 10
speakers playing at the same time!!!!!

I'll never forget it!!!

BTW he bought a set of Advents and the guy gave him a great deal on them,
but it was very funny at the time!



--
Glenn O'Toole

"Lounge Lizard Extraordinaire
and
master of the bagpipes"

On 3 Mar 2005 05:43:04 -0800, "Agent_C"
wrote:

I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story...

Here is my partial collection. About 0.01% of what is out there.

http://www.amusicdirect.com/products...380&sku=AAQEV8
http://gallery.consumerreview.com/au...es/opus-mm.asp
http://www.bybeetech.com/
http://www.amusicdirect.com/products...=280&sku=AELEV
http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina27.htm
http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator/default.htm
http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina28.htm
http://www.scamshield.com/Feature.asp?id=1



Regards,

Boris Mohar

Got Knock? - see:
Viatrack Printed Circuit Designs (among other things) http://www.viatrack.ca

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:44:27 -0500, Boris Mohar
wrote:

http://www.amusicdirect.com/products...=280&sku=AELEV

Nice... I especially like the cable elevators, quite reasonable at
$159.

Al

"play on" wrote in message

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:44:27 -0500, Boris Mohar
wrote:

http://www.amusicdirect.com/products...=280&sku=AELEV

Nice... I especially like the cable elevators, quite reasonable at
$159.

The cheapskate alternative is telephone line insulators. I've seen and uhhh,
"heard" them in *action* ;-)

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:44:27 -0500, Boris Mohar
wrote:

On 3 Mar 2005 05:43:04 -0800, "Agent_C"
wrote:

I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story...

Here is my partial collection. About 0.01% of what is out there.

http://www.amusicdirect.com/products...380&sku=AAQEV8
http://gallery.consumerreview.com/au...es/opus-mm.asp
http://www.bybeetech.com/

** Ahhh yes, those infamous Bybee Filters that use cooper pairs in a
room temperature supercondutctor that know the bad electrons from the
good electrons......


You can to the list, anything by Jon Risch.
Regards,

Bruce
Hitting reply is futile, use the following:
).

A number of years ago, I have seen something called a "CD Demagnetizer".
Yet, there is nothing magnetic about an optical CD. The seller of this,
really did some fancy explanations about this one.

Another one that I see from time to time, are AC cords for several hundred
dollars that are supposed to make the sound more accurate, and have less
noise. But, when questioned about the electrical system in the house, the
seller of these did a lot of skating around the question.

Many years ago, another one I saw was a special flashlight that should be
shined on CD disk before playing it. The idea was to neutralize any optical
noise patterns that can be formed on the disk. This special flashlight was
selling for about $100. The replacement lamps were $10, and the enhanced
batteries were something like $20 each.

There is another little gadget that I have not seen for a while. This one is
the cell phone bug. It is supposed to reduce dangerous radiation, and give
better reception. It looks like a little bug that the user sticks on to his
or her phone, located near to the antenna. I wonder if this one was pulled
from the market.



--

Jerry G.
=====

"Agent_C" wrote in message
oups.com...
I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story...

Mine comes from Lyric HiFi here in New York, when they tried to sell me
little coin size metallic stickers. At $250.00 each, they supposedly
improved the sound by "dampening the field-effect resonance" on your
individual components. What??? I could hardly contain my laughter!

Then there was the afternoon at Sound by Singer (a more appropriate
name for this rug merchant would be 'Sound by Swindler'), where he had
a customer convinced his prospective $500,000.00 system was so precise,
that one could actually distinguish between two identically titled CD's
- by the subtle differences on the pitted surface of the disk.

I'm not even going to start sharing what salesmen have said while
trying to sell me cables...

A_C

"Jerry G." wrote ...
There is another little gadget that I have not seen for a while. This one
is
the cell phone bug. It is supposed to reduce dangerous radiation, and give
better reception. It looks like a little bug that the user sticks on to
his
or her phone, located near to the antenna. I wonder if this one was pulled
from the market.

http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bi....cgi?item=PA-5

On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:28:09 -0800, "Richard Crowley"
wrote:

"Jerry G." wrote ...
There is another little gadget that I have not seen for a while. This one
is
the cell phone bug. It is supposed to reduce dangerous radiation, and give
better reception. It looks like a little bug that the user sticks on to
his
or her phone, located near to the antenna. I wonder if this one was pulled
from the market.

http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bi....cgi?item=PA-5


Yeah that's the antenna, but there is another product that you would
stick over the little speaker that was supposed to protect your brain
waves from the cell phone waves.

Al

That sounds interesting. I assume that antenna does not matter with this
gadget! In fact where the speaker is, the radiation is of the least. It is
at the antenna where most of the radiation comes from. Obstructing the
antenna in any way will worsen the performance of the phone.

--

Jerry G.
=====

"play on" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:28:09 -0800, "Richard Crowley"
wrote:

"Jerry G." wrote ...
There is another little gadget that I have not seen for a while. This one
is
the cell phone bug. It is supposed to reduce dangerous radiation, and
give
better reception. It looks like a little bug that the user sticks on to
his
or her phone, located near to the antenna. I wonder if this one was
pulled
from the market.

http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bi....cgi?item=PA-5


Yeah that's the antenna, but there is another product that you would
stick over the little speaker that was supposed to protect your brain
waves from the cell phone waves.

Al

That looks like one of the ones I saw! I know of someone who bought one for
$20. Naturally he found no difference, other than that it looked impressive
on his phone. Everyone was asking him what it was. After a lengthy
explanation we were all laughing all the time.

One thing of interest is that he met his wife with it, because it made for a
good conversation at a local bar. He bought her one while they were dating.
It was funny to see that.

There was also one that looked like a little lady-bug. The women went for
that one.

--

Jerry G.
=====

"Richard Crowley" wrote in message
...
"Jerry G." wrote ...
There is another little gadget that I have not seen for a while. This one
is
the cell phone bug. It is supposed to reduce dangerous radiation, and give
better reception. It looks like a little bug that the user sticks on to
his
or her phone, located near to the antenna. I wonder if this one was pulled
from the market.

http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bi....cgi?item=PA-5

There was a guy who wanted to spend $350 billion dollars getting rid of
WMD's somewhere. I heard he did very well. Lately, he's offering to
improve everyone's pension plans!

Jerry G. wrote:
A number of years ago, I have seen something called a "CD Demagnetizer".
Yet, there is nothing magnetic about an optical CD. The seller of this,
really did some fancy explanations about this one.

In rec.audio.pro,rec.audio.tech,rec.audio.marketplace , on Fri, 04 Mar
2005 10:27:15 -0500, Bill Van Dyk
wrote:

There was a guy who wanted to spend $350 billion dollars getting rid of
WMD's somewhere. I heard he did very well. Lately, he's offering to
improve everyone's pension plans!

I recall his contribution to the field of audio. It was the words
"Can you hear me now?"

Jerry G. wrote:
A number of years ago, I have seen something called a "CD Demagnetizer".
Yet, there is nothing magnetic about an optical CD. The seller of this,
really did some fancy explanations about this one.



-----
http://mindspring.com/~benbradley

In rec.audio.pro,rec.audio.tech,rec.audio.marketplace , on Fri, 04 Mar
2005 10:27:15 -0500, Bill Van Dyk
wrote:

There was a guy who wanted to spend $350 billion dollars getting rid of
WMD's somewhere. I heard he did very well. Lately, he's offering to
improve everyone's pension plans!

I recall his contribution to the field of audio. It was the words
"Can you hear me now?"

Jerry G. wrote:
A number of years ago, I have seen something called a "CD Demagnetizer".
Yet, there is nothing magnetic about an optical CD. The seller of this,
really did some fancy explanations about this one.



-----
http://mindspring.com/~benbradley

"Jerry G." wrote in message
...
A number of years ago, I have seen something called a "CD Demagnetizer".
Yet, there is nothing magnetic about an optical CD. The seller of this,
really did some fancy explanations about this one.

Another one that I see from time to time, are AC cords for several hundred
dollars that are supposed to make the sound more accurate, and have less
noise. But, when questioned about the electrical system in the house, the
seller of these did a lot of skating around the question.

Many years ago, another one I saw was a special flashlight that should be
shined on CD disk before playing it. The idea was to neutralize any
optical
noise patterns that can be formed on the disk. This special flashlight was
selling for about $100. The replacement lamps were $10, and the enhanced
batteries were something like $20 each.

There is another little gadget that I have not seen for a while. This one
is
the cell phone bug. It is supposed to reduce dangerous radiation, and give
better reception. It looks like a little bug that the user sticks on to
his
or her phone, located near to the antenna. I wonder if this one was pulled
from the market.




remember the "CD stabilizer rings" ?

here is one that isn't necessarily a scam.... but $30K for a cello audio
suite?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...7100 694&rd=1

lordy, it never ends..


http://www.soundstage.com/weaver04.htm


(I've read tthat the green pen tweaks started as an online hoax....
taken as truth by some gullible audiophile...and the rest is
history. I haven't been able to trace the story back
far enough to verify that)






--

-S
It's not my business to do intelligent work. -- D. Rumsfeld, testifying
before the House Armed Services Committee

In , on 03/05/05
at 09:33 PM, Steven Sullivan said:

lordy, it never ends..


http://www.soundstage.com/weaver04.htm


(I've read tthat the green pen tweaks started as an online hoax....
taken as truth by some gullible audiophile...and the rest is history.
I haven't been able to trace the story back
far enough to verify that)

Yes, I was there (on Compuserve). I wouldn't call it a hoax, just a
joke. We were having some fun. I keep thinking that I can locate the
thread on some old 8" floppies, but I never seem to find the time to go
through them. As I recall, we cooked up the claims one December and
products started arriving on the market in January.

What a classic! It had a simple story that was just complex enough that
it seemed plausable. When green magic marker types came around, they
didn't want to listen to any explainations of why the concept was
silly. If you couldn't hear the improvement .. er... well you were deaf
and stupid. I even pointed out that, in order to interact with that
green coating, the light must first leave the disk ... do you think the
light is ever comming back? At that point they usually left because
they couldn't stand my stupidity any longer.

----

Another of my favorites was a cryogenic process that claims to improve
the sound of CD's. You were supposed to send your CD's, they'd be
frozen in liquid nitrogen for a while, and you'd notice an improvement
in the sound. I asked them if they could show me some error flag data,
but of course they could not.

-----------------------------------------------------------
spam:
wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15
13 (Barry Mann)
[sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox]
-----------------------------------------------------------

and here's more about the Armour-All tweak brouhaha -- perhaps Mr. Atkinson
can comment on its accuracy.

http://www.soundstage.com/weaver06.htm



--

-S
It's not my business to do intelligent work. -- D. Rumsfeld, testifying
before the House Armed Services Committee

On 3 Mar 2005 05:43:04 -0800, "Agent_C"
wrote:

I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story...

I'm not even going to start sharing what salesmen have said while
trying to sell me cables...

I had a salesman try and convince me that the three foot RCA cable I
had in hand wouldn't transfer S/PDIF info, because it was an analog
cable.

Not because it was the wrong type of connector (which it wasn't) but
because the cable would only transfer analog electricity.

I snickered all the way out of the store.
jtougas

listen- there's a hell of a good universe next door
let's go

e.e. cummings

Here is one I made up once:

WAVE ENHANCE is an antispurious ion wave charged aerosol spray to
improve the
acoustic wave transmission in any normal listening room. Just spray
this
special aerosol formula before any intense listening session and you
won't
believe the improvement in sound wave transmission. Deeper lows,
smoother mids
and oh such sweet highs that give you the tingles. Many high end
speaker
manufacturers were spraying their listening rooms with our spray at the
last
CES.


Only $12.99 per 12 oz can.


OK, this was JUST A JOKE for all you guys who debate speaker wire and
cable
sound! Hope you enjoyed it.


Now for some SERIOUS used audio deals please visit:


http://members.aol.com/KDresch/audio.net.html

wrote:

Here is one I made up once:

WAVE ENHANCE is an antispurious ion wave charged aerosol spray to
improve the
acoustic wave transmission in any normal listening room. Just spray
this
special aerosol formula before any intense listening session and you
won't
believe the improvement in sound wave transmission. Deeper lows,
smoother mids
and oh such sweet highs that give you the tingles. Many high end
speaker
manufacturers were spraying their listening rooms with our spray at the
last
CES.

THC in a spraycan! "Total 'Hancement Conditioner"

--
ha

You have to be careful with such jokes. Some scammer may find it interesting
and use it!

--

Jerry G.
=====

wrote in message
oups.com...
Here is one I made up once:

WAVE ENHANCE is an antispurious ion wave charged aerosol spray to
improve the
acoustic wave transmission in any normal listening room. Just spray
this
special aerosol formula before any intense listening session and you
won't
believe the improvement in sound wave transmission. Deeper lows,
smoother mids
and oh such sweet highs that give you the tingles. Many high end
speaker
manufacturers were spraying their listening rooms with our spray at the
last
CES.


Only $12.99 per 12 oz can.


OK, this was JUST A JOKE for all you guys who debate speaker wire and
cable
sound! Hope you enjoyed it.


Now for some SERIOUS used audio deals please visit:


http://members.aol.com/KDresch/audio.net.html

In rec.audio.pro,
rec.audio.tech and
rec.audio.marketplace,
on 3 Mar 2005 05:43:04 -0800, "Agent_C"
wrote:

I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story...

There's the person who is posting to (among others) the pro audio
newsgroup selling the "MP3's of the '70's", 8-track cartridges and
record/playback equipment...

A_C

-----
http://mindspring.com/~benbradley

In article , "Agent_C"
wrote:

I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story...


Thank you for again drawing attention to the few but prolific (like roaches)
scammers here!

Here is the summary of 'snake oil' scammers flushed out here, thanks to
DEPUTY'S like yourself!

PERIODIC LISTING-QUESTIONABLE SELLERS & UNLICENSED DEALERS & PROVEN SCAMMERS
----------------------------------------------------------------------------


SCAMMERS EJECTED FROM USENET BY GROUP ACTION
--------------------------------------------

RANDYSSTEREOOUTLET.COM
SOUND EMPORIUM
AUDIO TWEAKERS
TEKLINEAUDIO.COM & MR-CABLE.COM
PERROTTACONSULTING & MUSICTOOLS-USA.COM
DAVID & CAROL MORETTO THEAUDIODEPT.COM/DISCOUNTS-N-DEALS.COM/CARDIFFROSE.NET
HOLOMAXX CABLES
AUDIOESSENTIALS - TORONTO ONTARIO
DOCDVD.COM
SAVANT AUDIO JOSHUA CINTRON AND MARY MALLERY
RICHARD MARKS DESIGN AKA GOOD AUDIO


& aka TARGET HIFI

KLJ TECHNOLOGIES
GRESH AUDIO
PUT SEUNSOM
COASTLINE CABLES
LOWTHERSPEAKERS.COM
TREVOR STOREY - NEWARK
MOON AUDIO HIGHERFI.COM

SCAMMERS REMAIN, ALONG WITH THE DARK MASTER, ROBERT MOREIN. EVER VIGILANT!


RANDYSSTEREOOUTLET.COM BOGGSTUBE (EBAY) RANDY AND PATRICIA BOGGESS
----------------------------------------------------------------------

LAWSUITS FILED AGAINST RANDY'S STEREO OUTLET - WV ORDERS BUSINESS CLOSED

**WEST VIRGINIA AUTHORITIES FILE LAWSUIT AGAINST BOGGESS, TV REPORTERS CHASE
HIM DOWN STREET AS HE HIDES LIKE THE SICK INDIVIDUAL HE IS***

WEBSITE AVAILABLE TO ORGANIZE THOSE SCAMMED AND GET THESE CHARLATANS PUT IN
JAIL WHERE THEY BELONG -

http://www.monkeyfreak.com/RSO.htm

SCAMMER GIVEN SUSPENDED JAIL SENTENCE BUT APPARENTLY STILL ACTIVE -BEWARE!

W ENTERPRISES NORTHWEST
-----------------------

Maybe Mr. WENW Donald Winslow can explain why his corporate registration has
been cancelled?

http://sos-venus.sos.state.or.us:808...rch_inq.show_d
etl?p_be_rsn=331097&p_srce=BR_INQ&p_print=FALSE

Maybe he can also "explain" why the State of Oregon shows him going into
business, and then out of business, at least three times!

Business Address of 3439 NE Sandy Blvd is in fact a MAIL BOXES ETC maildrop.

The city of Portland Oregon has NO business license and has begun an
investigation.

ACTIVE SCAMMER ALERT!
---------------------

SOUND EMPORIUM
--------------
Robert Benson
Suzanne Manka

Are the likely culprits, although they are hiding behind layers of anonymous
email addresses.
Service? Nope. Support? Nope.

No phone number. No verifiable email address. Hiding behind sockpuppets
and anonymous email servers isn't the hallmark of a "quality" vendor.

Claims to offer "the consistently lowest price available on-line"

"Consistently Low"? What a laugher. Others are far lower on Ebay and
elsewhere.

Except "Robert Benson" was ejected from TCInternet. Also ejected from Ebay,
wherethey established another account and loaded it up with phony "praise".
A known scammer tactic used to support the scam.

The St. Paul city treasurer's office, can find no such business
registered in St. Paul! The only two words people know with "sound
emporium" is "certified scamsters"!!!

Then there is what SENNHEISER USA has said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"This outfit is not an authorized Sennheiser Dealer and as such we
cannot guarantee the authenticity or the legitimacy of this product
offering. I suggest you purchase your HD600 from one of our authorized
dealers in order to secure legitimate, factory fresh product."

Sincerely,

Robert G. Douglas
Manager, Consumer Electronics
Sennheiser Electronic Corp.


BOB MOREIN
----------
GUILTY of protecting scammers and fraudsters, and attacking those that have
made such great strides toward protecting the innocent scammed by these
frauds!

Bob Morein is an unemployed and unemployable 40 year old alleged pederast
living in his daddy's house in Dresher, Pennsylvania, a wealthy suburb or
Philadelphia.

He is conducting his life in a most unseemly manner; despite numerous
entreaties from his father and recently deceased mother, he continues to
live in the same sorry 10' x 12' room in Dresher, PA. The parent's proud
jewish hopes of an intellectual son were dashed when he was denied a degree
at Drexel University, and subsequently demanded daddy fund a lawsuit. . . A
true vision of integrity (hahahahaha).

And the courts found explicitly against Morein, showing him as the lying
twisted individual we have all come to know. In fact, court documents point
to witness credibility being critical to their decision. And keep in mind,
this case was reviewed by appeals courts!

These allegations have made him a new target for the lawsuits of those who
have been subject to this slander and libel.

Seems like there are many standing in line for their "pound of unleavened
flesh" from this king of the charlatans and scammers.Registrant:
Robert Morein
501 Edgehill Road
Suite A9
Glenside, PA 19025-1238
US
2123888287


Registered at daddy's office, btw.

HIGHENDAUDIO.COM
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Owned by a pitiful shell of a man, Ted has had so many lines pulled from him
he has decided to list used gear on his website.


AUDIOBUYS
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This seller has NEGATIVE rating on Ebay! No business license from District
of Columbia, required for all retail sellers.


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Not listed as authorised dealer, although he claims to have "new" products
with no rational explanation. Manufacturers all deny he's a dealer

Warranty? Stolen? Who knows?


**RESULT: EJECTED FROM USENET**


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Not listed as authorised dealer, although he claims to have "new" products
with no rational explanation. Manufacturers all deny he's a dealer

**RESULT: EJECTED FROM USENET**

"OFFICIAL RAM BLUEBOOK VALUATION" wrote in message
.. .


Bull****.

"Agent_C" wrote in message
oups.com...
Then there was the afternoon at Sound by Singer (a more appropriate
name for this rug merchant would be 'Sound by Swindler'), where he had
a customer convinced his prospective $500,000.00 system was so precise,
that one could actually distinguish between two identically titled CD's
- by the subtle differences on the pitted surface of the disk.

Possible if the differences were not so subtle, ie. lots of C2 errors.
Getting a new CD would cost less than $500K though :-)

MrT.

Agent_C wrote:
I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story...



Here is a cool device from Rane:
http://www.rane.com/pi14.html

make sure to download the PDFs.

Peter

wrote in message
ps.com...
Agent_C wrote:
I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story...



Here is a cool device from Rane:
http://www.rane.com/pi14.html

make sure to download the PDFs.

Peter

but this is a harmless (and hilarious) spoof. not true snake oil at all

In rec.audio.pro,rec.audio.tech,rec.audio.marketplace , on Sat, 5 Mar
2005 13:28:27 -0500, "TimPerry" wrote:


wrote in message
ups.com...
Agent_C wrote:
I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story...



Here is a cool device from Rane:
http://www.rane.com/pi14.html

make sure to download the PDFs.

Peter

but this is a harmless (and hilarious) spoof. not true snake oil at all

I dunno about that, it looks like a blatant ripoff of the origial
Funk Logic equipment. I think there could be a lawsuit here. Check out
Mr. Logic's products on his webpage:

http://www.funklogic.com

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http://mindspring.com/~benbradley

"Ben Bradley" wrote in message
...
In rec.audio.pro,rec.audio.tech,rec.audio.marketplace , on Sat, 5 Mar
2005 13:28:27 -0500, "TimPerry" wrote:


wrote in message
ups.com...
Agent_C wrote:
I'm sure we all have our favorite snake oil story...



Here is a cool device from Rane:
http://www.rane.com/pi14.html

make sure to download the PDFs.

Peter

but this is a harmless (and hilarious) spoof. not true snake oil at all

I dunno about that, it looks like a blatant ripoff of the origial
Funk Logic equipment. I think there could be a lawsuit here. Check out
Mr. Logic's products on his webpage:

http://www.funklogic.com


like the Motorola "pushie talkie" (a mobile 2-way mounted to a hand truck
with auto batteries) its a lampoon intended as humor not an attempt to
defraud anyone.


heres a jar with a ball in it
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...5793477 &rd=1
is it worth $65,000 ?