In article writes:

am i mistaken, or is phantom power a bad thing for ribbon mics?

Not if they're powered ribbon mics like a series of Royers.

It's a bad thing for any mic if cables or miswired or shorted, and
hot-connecting or disconnecting of mics with phantom power applied can
be detremental to some consoles or preamps.

Is having your house wired for electrical power a bad thing for
the residents? Only when they're not careful with it.

--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

am i mistaken, or is phantom power a bad thing for ribbon mics?

In article ,
"John L Rice" wrote:

Hi Max,

A dollar amount for your budget would be really helpful.

Have you had a bad experience using PreSonus stuff or? I've used their M80
eight channel for years and I'm very happy with it, 8 good sounding pres
with inserts on each channel in a nice compact package with a stereo mix bus
and a good headphone amp for under $2000 new. It's a solid deal in my book.
I also have John Hardy M-1 and Martech MSS-10 mic pres and while I think
they are both truly great pieces of recording gear, and superior in sound
and design to the M-80, a deluxe rack of two M-1 channels or one channel of
MSS-10 will cost you as much or more than an 8 channel PreSonus M-80.

Best of luck!

John L Rice



The M-80 is a decent sounding, flexible preamp, but we've had lots of problems
with the pots going scratchy. One failed completely and had to be replaced.
Maybe they've addressed this since we bought ours several years ago.

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x

"Jay Kadis" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"John L Rice" wrote:

Hi Max,

A dollar amount for your budget would be really helpful.

Have you had a bad experience using PreSonus stuff or? I've used their
M80
eight channel for years and I'm very happy with it, 8 good sounding pres
with inserts on each channel in a nice compact package with a stereo mix
bus
and a good headphone amp for under $2000 new. It's a solid deal in my
book.
I also have John Hardy M-1 and Martech MSS-10 mic pres and while I think
they are both truly great pieces of recording gear, and superior in
sound
and design to the M-80, a deluxe rack of two M-1 channels or one channel
of
MSS-10 will cost you as much or more than an 8 channel PreSonus M-80.

Best of luck!

John L Rice



The M-80 is a decent sounding, flexible preamp, but we've had lots of
problems
with the pots going scratchy. One failed completely and had to be
replaced.
Maybe they've addressed this since we bought ours several years ago.

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x

Hi Jay, how have you been?

That's the first I've heard about M-80 pots going bad. I've had mine since
Jan 2000 or so and haven't noticed a problem but I've only used mine
occasionally to record myself so the pots on mine haven't see any medium to
heavy use as I'm sure yours have. Did you do the replacement work yourself
or did you sent it to PreSonus or an independent shop?

John L Rice

In article ,
"John L Rice" wrote:

"Jay Kadis" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"John L Rice" wrote:

Hi Max,

A dollar amount for your budget would be really helpful.

Have you had a bad experience using PreSonus stuff or? I've used their
M80
eight channel for years and I'm very happy with it, 8 good sounding pres
with inserts on each channel in a nice compact package with a stereo mix
bus
and a good headphone amp for under $2000 new. It's a solid deal in my
book.
I also have John Hardy M-1 and Martech MSS-10 mic pres and while I think
they are both truly great pieces of recording gear, and superior in
sound
and design to the M-80, a deluxe rack of two M-1 channels or one channel
of
MSS-10 will cost you as much or more than an 8 channel PreSonus M-80.

Best of luck!

John L Rice



The M-80 is a decent sounding, flexible preamp, but we've had lots of
problems
with the pots going scratchy. One failed completely and had to be
replaced.
Maybe they've addressed this since we bought ours several years ago.

-Jay

Hi Jay, how have you been?

That's the first I've heard about M-80 pots going bad. I've had mine since
Jan 2000 or so and haven't noticed a problem but I've only used mine
occasionally to record myself so the pots on mine haven't see any medium to
heavy use as I'm sure yours have. Did you do the replacement work yourself
or did you sent it to PreSonus or an independent shop?

John L Rice



The first one was replaced by Presonus as it was still under warranty. Lately
I've been using DeOxit and avoiding making gain changes while recording. We use
the M-80 mainly to expand the 12 mic preamps on the Mackie D8B, so it isn't
always in heavy use. We also got a UA 2-610 that's getting a lot of use. For
the most critical stuff, we still use the custom IMS preamp we've had for 15
years or so.

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x

What about Yamaha MLA8?



"Jay Kadis" ha scritto nel messaggio
...
In article ,
"John L Rice" wrote:

"Jay Kadis" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"John L Rice" wrote:

Hi Max,

A dollar amount for your budget would be really helpful.

Have you had a bad experience using PreSonus stuff or? I've used
their
M80
eight channel for years and I'm very happy with it, 8 good sounding
pres
with inserts on each channel in a nice compact package with a stereo
mix
bus
and a good headphone amp for under $2000 new. It's a solid deal in my
book.
I also have John Hardy M-1 and Martech MSS-10 mic pres and while I
think
they are both truly great pieces of recording gear, and superior in
sound
and design to the M-80, a deluxe rack of two M-1 channels or one
channel
of
MSS-10 will cost you as much or more than an 8 channel PreSonus M-80.

Best of luck!

John L Rice



The M-80 is a decent sounding, flexible preamp, but we've had lots of
problems
with the pots going scratchy. One failed completely and had to be
replaced.
Maybe they've addressed this since we bought ours several years ago.

-Jay

Hi Jay, how have you been?

That's the first I've heard about M-80 pots going bad. I've had mine
since
Jan 2000 or so and haven't noticed a problem but I've only used mine
occasionally to record myself so the pots on mine haven't see any medium
to
heavy use as I'm sure yours have. Did you do the replacement work
yourself
or did you sent it to PreSonus or an independent shop?

John L Rice



The first one was replaced by Presonus as it was still under warranty.
Lately
I've been using DeOxit and avoiding making gain changes while recording.
We use
the M-80 mainly to expand the 12 mic preamps on the Mackie D8B, so it
isn't
always in heavy use. We also got a UA 2-610 that's getting a lot of use.
For
the most critical stuff, we still use the custom IMS preamp we've had for
15
years or so.

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x

What about Yamaha MLA8?



"Jay Kadis" ha scritto nel messaggio
...
In article ,
"John L Rice" wrote:

"Jay Kadis" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"John L Rice" wrote:

Hi Max,

A dollar amount for your budget would be really helpful.

Have you had a bad experience using PreSonus stuff or? I've used
their
M80
eight channel for years and I'm very happy with it, 8 good sounding
pres
with inserts on each channel in a nice compact package with a stereo
mix
bus
and a good headphone amp for under $2000 new. It's a solid deal in my
book.
I also have John Hardy M-1 and Martech MSS-10 mic pres and while I
think
they are both truly great pieces of recording gear, and superior in
sound
and design to the M-80, a deluxe rack of two M-1 channels or one
channel
of
MSS-10 will cost you as much or more than an 8 channel PreSonus M-80.

Best of luck!

John L Rice



The M-80 is a decent sounding, flexible preamp, but we've had lots of
problems
with the pots going scratchy. One failed completely and had to be
replaced.
Maybe they've addressed this since we bought ours several years ago.

-Jay

Hi Jay, how have you been?

That's the first I've heard about M-80 pots going bad. I've had mine
since
Jan 2000 or so and haven't noticed a problem but I've only used mine
occasionally to record myself so the pots on mine haven't see any medium
to
heavy use as I'm sure yours have. Did you do the replacement work
yourself
or did you sent it to PreSonus or an independent shop?

John L Rice



The first one was replaced by Presonus as it was still under warranty.
Lately
I've been using DeOxit and avoiding making gain changes while recording.
We use
the M-80 mainly to expand the 12 mic preamps on the Mackie D8B, so it
isn't
always in heavy use. We also got a UA 2-610 that's getting a lot of use.
For
the most critical stuff, we still use the custom IMS preamp we've had for
15
years or so.

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x

In article ,
"John L Rice" wrote:

"Jay Kadis" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"John L Rice" wrote:

Hi Max,

A dollar amount for your budget would be really helpful.

Have you had a bad experience using PreSonus stuff or? I've used their
M80
eight channel for years and I'm very happy with it, 8 good sounding pres
with inserts on each channel in a nice compact package with a stereo mix
bus
and a good headphone amp for under $2000 new. It's a solid deal in my
book.
I also have John Hardy M-1 and Martech MSS-10 mic pres and while I think
they are both truly great pieces of recording gear, and superior in
sound
and design to the M-80, a deluxe rack of two M-1 channels or one channel
of
MSS-10 will cost you as much or more than an 8 channel PreSonus M-80.

Best of luck!

John L Rice



The M-80 is a decent sounding, flexible preamp, but we've had lots of
problems
with the pots going scratchy. One failed completely and had to be
replaced.
Maybe they've addressed this since we bought ours several years ago.

-Jay

Hi Jay, how have you been?

That's the first I've heard about M-80 pots going bad. I've had mine since
Jan 2000 or so and haven't noticed a problem but I've only used mine
occasionally to record myself so the pots on mine haven't see any medium to
heavy use as I'm sure yours have. Did you do the replacement work yourself
or did you sent it to PreSonus or an independent shop?

John L Rice



The first one was replaced by Presonus as it was still under warranty. Lately
I've been using DeOxit and avoiding making gain changes while recording. We use
the M-80 mainly to expand the 12 mic preamps on the Mackie D8B, so it isn't
always in heavy use. We also got a UA 2-610 that's getting a lot of use. For
the most critical stuff, we still use the custom IMS preamp we've had for 15
years or so.

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x

"Jay Kadis" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"John L Rice" wrote:

Hi Max,

A dollar amount for your budget would be really helpful.

Have you had a bad experience using PreSonus stuff or? I've used their
M80
eight channel for years and I'm very happy with it, 8 good sounding pres
with inserts on each channel in a nice compact package with a stereo mix
bus
and a good headphone amp for under $2000 new. It's a solid deal in my
book.
I also have John Hardy M-1 and Martech MSS-10 mic pres and while I think
they are both truly great pieces of recording gear, and superior in
sound
and design to the M-80, a deluxe rack of two M-1 channels or one channel
of
MSS-10 will cost you as much or more than an 8 channel PreSonus M-80.

Best of luck!

John L Rice



The M-80 is a decent sounding, flexible preamp, but we've had lots of
problems
with the pots going scratchy. One failed completely and had to be
replaced.
Maybe they've addressed this since we bought ours several years ago.

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x

Hi Jay, how have you been?

That's the first I've heard about M-80 pots going bad. I've had mine since
Jan 2000 or so and haven't noticed a problem but I've only used mine
occasionally to record myself so the pots on mine haven't see any medium to
heavy use as I'm sure yours have. Did you do the replacement work yourself
or did you sent it to PreSonus or an independent shop?

John L Rice

In article ,
says...

The M-80 is a decent sounding, flexible preamp, but we've had lots of problems
with the pots going scratchy. One failed completely and had to be replaced.
Maybe they've addressed this since we bought ours several years ago.

Just get some WD40 and phil them up.

--
/ Peter Kaersaa

In article ,
says...

The M-80 is a decent sounding, flexible preamp, but we've had lots of problems
with the pots going scratchy. One failed completely and had to be replaced.
Maybe they've addressed this since we bought ours several years ago.

Just get some WD40 and phil them up.

--
/ Peter Kaersaa

In article ,
"John L Rice" wrote:

Hi Max,

A dollar amount for your budget would be really helpful.

Have you had a bad experience using PreSonus stuff or? I've used their M80
eight channel for years and I'm very happy with it, 8 good sounding pres
with inserts on each channel in a nice compact package with a stereo mix bus
and a good headphone amp for under $2000 new. It's a solid deal in my book.
I also have John Hardy M-1 and Martech MSS-10 mic pres and while I think
they are both truly great pieces of recording gear, and superior in sound
and design to the M-80, a deluxe rack of two M-1 channels or one channel of
MSS-10 will cost you as much or more than an 8 channel PreSonus M-80.

Best of luck!

John L Rice



The M-80 is a decent sounding, flexible preamp, but we've had lots of problems
with the pots going scratchy. One failed completely and had to be replaced.
Maybe they've addressed this since we bought ours several years ago.

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x

Hi Max,

A dollar amount for your budget would be really helpful.

Have you had a bad experience using PreSonus stuff or? I've used their M80
eight channel for years and I'm very happy with it, 8 good sounding pres
with inserts on each channel in a nice compact package with a stereo mix bus
and a good headphone amp for under $2000 new. It's a solid deal in my book.
I also have John Hardy M-1 and Martech MSS-10 mic pres and while I think
they are both truly great pieces of recording gear, and superior in sound
and design to the M-80, a deluxe rack of two M-1 channels or one channel of
MSS-10 will cost you as much or more than an 8 channel PreSonus M-80.

Best of luck!

John L Rice


"Maxy" wrote in message
...
I am looking foward to buy an 8 channels micpre.
I would like something better than the usual Presonus, Behringer, etc...
but
not so expensive as the expensive ones (you know what I'm saying, aren't
you?)

Any advices or ideas?
How's the now Mackie Onyx? RME Octopre? Is the TFPro still in the market
with its 16 channels?

Please help me sealing this sea of micpres....!

Thank you
Max



-Caos is the order we do not undestand-

"Maxy" wrote in message ...
I am looking foward to buy an 8 channels micpre.
I would like something better than the usual Presonus, Behringer, etc... but


Sounds like a Focusrite Octopre with the ADAT card option might be
more in your price range. You can engage limiters on every channel if
you need to and it sounds pretty neutral. This unit worked very well
for me with a Mackie SDR HD recorder I used to have.

Kelly Dueck

"Maxy" wrote in message ...
I am looking foward to buy an 8 channels micpre.
I would like something better than the usual Presonus, Behringer, etc... but


Sounds like a Focusrite Octopre with the ADAT card option might be
more in your price range. You can engage limiters on every channel if
you need to and it sounds pretty neutral. This unit worked very well
for me with a Mackie SDR HD recorder I used to have.

Kelly Dueck