http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/07/19/bush.iran/index.html


Bush: U.S. probes possible Iran links to 9/11.
Tehran government hiding Al Qaeda members, president says

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Iran is harboring members of al Qaeda, and the
United States is investigating whether the Iranian government had a role
in the September 11, 2001, attacks, President Bush said Monday.

And then there's this:


http://money.cnn.com/2004/07/19/news/international/halliburton.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes
Halliburton is subpoenaed over Iran ties

A grand jury subpoenas info about its Cayman Islands unit, which has
operations in Iran.

HOUSTON (Reuters) - Oil field services company Halliburton Co. received
a grand jury subpoena earlier this month seeking information about its
Cayman Islands unit, which conducts operations in Iran, the company said
Monday.

U.S. companies are prohibited by law from doing business with Iran.

Oooops, you invaded the wrong newsgroup. This one's for pro audio
discussion. Didn't we cover that about 792 times in the last month?

- Logan

Logan Shaw wrote:
Oooops, you invaded the wrong newsgroup. This one's for pro audio
discussion. Didn't we cover that about 792 times in the last month?


And still not nearly enough. There is a good reason people are getting
scared and wanting to talk about this **** everywhere they can. There
are some important parallels to the past rise to power of some very
nasty leaders, and it is happening right under your nose. You obviously
underestimate the seriousness of what is going on in the US right now.

Your pro audio discussions are going to be pretty insignificant in short
order the way things are headed.

Pete Dimsman wrote:
Logan Shaw wrote:
Oooops, you invaded the wrong newsgroup. This one's for pro audio
discussion. Didn't we cover that about 792 times in the last month?

And still not nearly enough.

Apparently, because despite the number of times it's been pointed out
that this is off-topic, it hasn't been enough. If it had been, people
wouldn't still be posting off-topic stuff.

There is a good reason people are getting
scared and wanting to talk about this **** everywhere they can. There
are some important parallels to the past rise to power of some very
nasty leaders, and it is happening right under your nose. You obviously
underestimate the seriousness of what is going on in the US right now.

Yes, right, of course. I disagree with your decision to post off-topic
stuff, therefore I must obviously be less aware than you about what's
going on in the US. Did it occur to you that being condescending will
not help your cause? Did it occur to you that maybe I'm not a rabid
pro-Bush guy trying to attack you because I disagree with your point
of view and instead I'm actually really just annoyed at your lack of
netiquette?

- Logan

In article ,
Logan Shaw wrote:

Pete Dimsman wrote:
Logan Shaw wrote:
Oooops, you invaded the wrong newsgroup. This one's for pro audio
discussion. Didn't we cover that about 792 times in the last month?

And still not nearly enough.

Apparently, because despite the number of times it's been pointed out
that this is off-topic, it hasn't been enough. If it had been, people
wouldn't still be posting off-topic stuff.

There is a good reason people are getting
scared and wanting to talk about this **** everywhere they can. There
are some important parallels to the past rise to power of some very
nasty leaders, and it is happening right under your nose. You obviously
underestimate the seriousness of what is going on in the US right now.

Yes, right, of course. I disagree with your decision to post off-topic
stuff, therefore I must obviously be less aware than you about what's
going on in the US. Did it occur to you that being condescending will
not help your cause? Did it occur to you that maybe I'm not a rabid
pro-Bush guy trying to attack you because I disagree with your point
of view and instead I'm actually really just annoyed at your lack of
netiquette?

- Logan

and you don't find it a double standard to complain about off topic
posting with a off topic post
same logic that allows us to fught terrosim by invading and destroying
countrys that had nothing to do with the terrosim we accused them of
g

In article ,
says...
In article ,
Logan Shaw wrote:

Pete Dimsman wrote:
Logan Shaw wrote:
Oooops, you invaded the wrong newsgroup. This one's for pro audio
discussion. Didn't we cover that about 792 times in the last month?

And still not nearly enough.

Apparently, because despite the number of times it's been pointed out
that this is off-topic, it hasn't been enough. If it had been, people
wouldn't still be posting off-topic stuff.

There is a good reason people are getting
scared and wanting to talk about this **** everywhere they can. There
are some important parallels to the past rise to power of some very
nasty leaders, and it is happening right under your nose. You obviously
underestimate the seriousness of what is going on in the US right now.

Yes, right, of course. I disagree with your decision to post off-topic
stuff, therefore I must obviously be less aware than you about what's
going on in the US. Did it occur to you that being condescending will
not help your cause? Did it occur to you that maybe I'm not a rabid
pro-Bush guy trying to attack you because I disagree with your point
of view and instead I'm actually really just annoyed at your lack of
netiquette?

- Logan

and you don't find it a double standard to complain about off topic
posting with a off topic post
same logic that allows us to fught terrosim by invading and destroying
countrys that had nothing to do with the terrosim we accused them of

His wasn't off-topic. It was trying to steer the focus back onto
SOMETHING audio-related. Is there a post-production studio in Iran
we're talking about? No? Then the discussion is irrelevant to this
newsgroup. That's actually pretty logical and easy to see, right?
It's not necessary that you beat this to death in here. The short
history of internet discussion shows that people are already polarized
on issues like this, and arguing until you're blue in the face isn't
going to change a single person's opinion. So it's not only off-topic,
but useless posturing as well.
I'd rather read "What's the cheapest mic for capturing a canary?"
posts. At least it has something to do with audio.
My modified PZMs have a rising high frequency all the way out to
about 24KHz! Their specified top end is 18KHz. I wonder how that
happened? It could even be higher; my measurement system hits
Nyquist limits at 24KHz. ---(Obligatory audio content)
---Michael (of APP)...

Logan Shaw wrote:

Did it occur to you that being condescending will
not help your cause?

Well it isn't "my" cause. It is our cause, but some still don't get it.

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:17:20 -0500, Pete Dimsman
wrote:




Your pro audio discussions are going to be pretty insignificant in short
order the way things are headed.


We certainly appreciate your earnestness.

- But -

Give it a break. Everyone here is on usenet. Do you honestly think we
have any trouble finding news? We get it from dozens of other sources
we trust. Believe me, we know where to look when we want to find the
news. Now we need some help finding Pro Audio talk.


Seriously, let rec.pro.audio go, Pete.


Kurt Riemann

Kurt Riemann wrote:


Give it a break. Everyone here is on usenet. Do you honestly think we
have any trouble finding news? We get it from dozens of other sources
we trust. Believe me, we know where to look when we want to find the
news.

News? Isn't that the whole point? People have a need to discuss and
decide what is REALLY happening. This is important. News is not always
telling us the real scoop.

Why discuss audio? You can just read the manuals. You can read the
books. The point is the news group is here to discuss real world
applications of those manuals and books. People talking about hands on
experience.

The manual says use the small d for over head, the large d for vocals.
But wait, someone here found something different worked great in a
certain situation, lets discuss.

I agree it would be good if I could discuss the off topic stuff
elsewhere, but with the people here. I wish we could have an off topic
section. I don't want to go to the political news group with a bunch of
people I know nothing about and battle it out there, it is really much
less meaningful, and even more partisan than here, that is for sure.

Now we need some help finding Pro Audio talk.

But that is a **** poor argument. Who is stopping you? Who forces you to
read the ot stuff? You can still find plenty of threads on the best
200 microphone. And it is archived for all eternity g

I apoligize and do agree it is a pain to click through all this crap to
find the real audio threads, but they are still there. And you are still
free to post and respond to them. In fact Phil Allison is just dying to
hear from you g.

It would be much better if we could have another section to spew this
other stuff in. Can't somebody set it up?

Pete Dimsman wrote:

In fact Phil Allison is just dying to
hear from you g.


So you're saying that Phil Allison, is indeed, Mixerman.

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:42:30 -0500, Pete Dimsman
wrote:


I agree it would be good if I could discuss the off topic stuff
elsewhere, but with the people here.

I completely agree. I like the patrons of this particular brothel.

I wish we could have an off topic
section. I don't want to go to the political news group with a bunch of
people I know nothing about and battle it out there, it is really much
less meaningful, and even more partisan than here, that is for sure.

Yeah. they're not necessarily people who can hold two or three
opposing arguments in their heads . . .


Now we need some help finding Pro Audio talk.

But that is a **** poor argument. Who is stopping you? Who forces you to
read the ot stuff? You can still find plenty of threads on the best
200 microphone. And it is archived for all eternity g


I frankly don't care about the answers to 95% of the newbie questions.
I've been doing audio for thirty years and don't give two cents about
the new AKG mike or new PC audio card blah blah. I'm not a prosumer. I
don't need to buy much of anything anymore.

Nobody forces me to read the newbie threads either. But you ARE
forcing everyone to read your headers, which are off-topic.

I'm here to help out the small fry so I can ask bigger questions when
the time comes. Like what is a replacement cap for my 2" 24 track
repro board when I need the advice in the next 15 minutes. That advice
appears like magic because the die-hards have stayed with the group
and have not gone off to a moderated board.

Which is a risk.

Many are gone who were active just 3 years ago. They got sick of the
bull****.

I apoligize and do agree it is a pain to click through all this crap to
find the real audio threads, but they are still there. And you are still
free to post and respond to them. In fact Phil Allison is just dying to
hear from you g.


Phil Allison can suck my dick. He is a great big zero with no
recording background.

I occasionally chat it up with the political side of things in here
but my point is that we could start threads on AIDS, child
molestation, boat safety and anything that we feel is vital for our
attention. But to say that your off-topic posts are more important
than audio (which is the sentiment that SHOUTED off-topic headers
project, like it or not) will always make the hordes say - "Then find
a more receptive group!"

I don't open the newspaper and look for comics on the front page and
gardening articles in the classified ads. While usenet is the Wild
Frontier, it stands a good chance of becoming insensible without some
self-policing. That's all.

As a general rule -

DON'TSHOUT,

and put OT in front of the post for the filterers.



BTW - I agree with your political direction.



Kurt Riemann

Pete Dimsman wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/07/19/bush.iran/index.html


Bush: U.S. probes possible Iran links to 9/11.
Tehran government hiding Al Qaeda members, president says

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Iran is harboring members of al Qaeda, and the
United States is investigating whether the Iranian government had a
role in the September 11, 2001, attacks, President Bush said Monday.

Hey, the spelling was close. And they wear funny hats too. Near enough.


geoff

Pete Dimsman wrote in message ...
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/07/19/bush.iran/index.html


Bush: U.S. probes possible Iran links to 9/11.
Tehran government hiding Al Qaeda members, president says

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Iran is harboring members of al Qaeda, and the
United States is investigating whether the Iranian government had a role
in the September 11, 2001, attacks, President Bush said Monday.

Shouldn't we change the subject to "OOOOPS! We invaded the wrong _newsgroup_!"

;-)

ThePaulThomas wrote:
Pete Dimsman wrote in message
...
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/07/19/bush.iran/index.html


Bush: U.S. probes possible Iran links to 9/11.
Tehran government hiding Al Qaeda members, president says

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Iran is harboring members of al Qaeda, and the
United States is investigating whether the Iranian government had a
role in the September 11, 2001, attacks, President Bush said Monday.

Shouldn't we change the subject to "OOOOPS! We invaded the wrong
_newsgroup_!"


No, "Ooops We Invaded The Wrong Thread".

geoff

On 20 Jul 2004 08:16:48 -0700,
(ThePaulThomas) wrote:



Shouldn't we change the subject to "OOOOPS! We invaded the wrong _newsgroup_!"


Exactly. Nail on the head.
Good call, Paul.


====================
Tracy Wintermute

Rushcreek Ranch
====================

playonATcomcast.net

Maybe he just enjoys baiting the easily-trolled like yourself.

Right. When you're exposed as a dumbass that doesn't know his ****, just
claim you were "trolling"....

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

So George are you saying that Clinton is a criminal like Bush since they
both attacked countries that weren't a threat to us?




I am not aware of any war clinton started

And Arny when are you going to grasp the simplest part of posting
Edit out the old stuff.
you do not need to repost 100's of kb of already posted material with
each two word reply you make

"George" wrote in message



You didn't say anything about a war George, you just said attack.

How many times an hour do you change your story?

Arny Krueger wrote:
"George" wrote in message



You didn't say anything about a war George, you just said attack.

How many times an hour do you change your story?

And how about you? Remember this post from July 5th?

Arny Krueger wrote:

George, there's over 20,000 other Usenet groups where you can argue about
politics. Approximately 740 of them even have the word politics in their
name.

What we really need on RAP is audio guys who give a crap about audio.

George when't the last day where you made as many audio-related posts
on RAP
as the politics and the anti-religiou crap? Oh, I forgot, you're too busy
bashing people because of their politics and religion to have much
time for
audio. Face it George, you're just a lonely man who is looking for
attention
at any cost. You apparently don't do enough with audio to have that
much to
say about it.

.. You apparently don't do enough with audio to have that
much to
say about it.



well after last week where I was out 5 days with a national level 100
act bluegrass festiival(www.greyfoxbluegrass.com), and tomorrow I set up
3 stages for Oswego Ny's Harborfest(300,000 in attendence) i will not be
able to pleasure arny with any more posts till at least sunday late at
night if I bother to log on after 96 straight hours of audio
so one can easily see I am just a lonely desperate man with nothing to
do except play the foil so arnys wisdom has a chance to shine
peace
george

"Pete Dimsman" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:
"George" wrote in message



You didn't say anything about a war George, you just said attack.

How many times an hour do you change your story?

And how about you?

I'll compare On Topic post counts to you any day of the week. Remember, this
is an Off Topic post.

Remember this post from July 5th?

Arny Krueger wrote:

"George, there's over 20,000 other Usenet groups where you can
argue about politics. Approximately 740 of them even have the word
politics in their name."

"What we really need on RAP is audio guys who give a crap about audio.
George when't the last day where you made as many audio-related
posts on RAP as the politics and the anti-religiou crap? Oh, I forgot,
you're
too busy bashing people because of their politics and religion to
have much time for audio. Face it George, you're just a lonely man who is
looking for
attention at any cost. You apparently don't do enough with audio to have
that
much to say about it."

Sure, and that's pretty much the same thing I've said to George today. So
where's the beef?

I'll still compare On Topic post counts to you any day of the week.

Arny Krueger wrote:

I'll compare On Topic post counts to you any day of the week. Remember, this
is an Off Topic post.

Oh I see. It is about the percentage of your off topic posts. And what
exactly have YOU decided is the standard for an acceptable off-topic
percentage?