[George Graves]

On Tuesday, October 1, 2013 10:43:43 PM UTC-7, Gary Eickmeier wrote:
George Graves wrote:

In article ,

"Peter Larsen" wrote:



George Graves wrote:



Funny thing about imaging. It has to exist in the recording. Often,

in modern recordings, especially commercial pop/rock recordings it's

not. It also doesn't exist in multimiked/multi-channel classical

recordings or in most commercial jazz recordings. True stereo (the

only way to get real image specificity, image height and imaging

front-to-back layering) just isn't done that much, commercially



Yes, height information! - it is probably an illusion, but it is

when the image leaves the monofilament between the loudspeakers and

happen above and outside them and you hear the room behind you that

you got stereo right and then you sit and wonder what 5.1 is all

about



Of course the Carlson bins made it happen all the time ...



Kind regards



Peter Larsen



To be honest, all stereo is an illusion. but I'm continually amazed

at what an impressive illusion is possible with just a couple of

good, well placed microphones. Image height is captured, One can

close their eyes and pick out, in space, each instrument in the

ensemble even when many instruments are playing together. One can

hear that the brasses are behind the woodwinds, and the triangle

"floats" over the left side of the orchestra, just like it does in

the concert hall. Sure it's an illusion, but it can be a damned good

one!



No, image height is not "captured." Neither the ears nor the microphones

have any mechanism to detect height. It is strictly a pinna effect wherein

certain frequencies seem to sound above where they should be. At the live

event you don't hear this because your eyes override the effect. On

playback, it often sems like the horns are higher than the rest of the

instruments.

Then perhaps you can tell me why multimiked recordings of symphony orchestras
NEVER exhibit that phenomenon, but true minimalist stereo recordings always do?

George Graves

[Scott Dorsey]

George Graves wrote:
On Tuesday, October 1, 2013 10:43:43 PM UTC-7, Gary Eickmeier wrote:


No, image height is not "captured." Neither the ears nor the microphones
have any mechanism to detect height. It is strictly a pinna effect wherein
certain frequencies seem to sound above where they should be. At the live
event you don't hear this because your eyes override the effect. On
playback, it often sems like the horns are higher than the rest of the
instruments.

Then perhaps you can tell me why multimiked recordings of symphony orchestras
NEVER exhibit that phenomenon, but true minimalist stereo recordings always do?

I can make it happen on a spotmiked recording, if you like. It's a trick,
but it's not that hard a trick.

It's true that most of the time it appears in minimalist recordings, it is
an artifact of the room, though.
--scott
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