[[email protected]]

Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY
please post.

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:20:48 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY
please post.

You have warrantees to cover this sort of thing. Why did you buy a
second one?

Cool effect, by the way.

d

[[email protected]]

On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY

please post.

I bought the 1st one USED. Problem appears at random times for no apparent reason.
I though it was bad unit, so I got the second one BRAND NEW!
Surprise! Exactly the SAME PROBLEM AGAIN.

[gareth magennis]

wrote in message
...

On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY

please post.

I bought the 1st one USED. Problem appears at random times for no apparent
reason.
I though it was bad unit, so I got the second one BRAND NEW!
Surprise! Exactly the SAME PROBLEM AGAIN.




So send it back, you'll get a new one, it is under warranty.
3 years, I believe, if you can be bothered to register it.

What exactly is your problem?



Gareth.

[[email protected]]

On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY

please post.

Look at the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY
It is 100% design flaw.
There is nothing any bench technician can do unless the FX chip or entire motherboard is upgraded.
I emailed Behringer about upgrade and got only auto-response.

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 7/28/2013 9:03 PM, wrote:

There is nothing any bench technician can do unless the FX chip or entire motherboard is upgraded.
I emailed Behringer about upgrade and got only auto-response.

This is a problem that your dealer should take care of. Take it back to
him, show him the problem, ask him to get another one from stock ant
check it out. If that one is broken as well, get your money back and buy
something else.

It's possible that they got some bad chips, or maybe they hadn't fully
adapted their production line to lead-free soldering yet and there's a
bad solder joint. Surely they wouldn't let a design like that get out of
the factory. But, yes, it does sound pretty bad.

But let me ask this - where's the master level pot set, and where's the
monitor volume set? If you were to run a normal level signal through the
mixer with those settings and the input gain set so that the channel
level is correct, would it be at a reasonable listening volume, or would
it blow your speakers or your ears?


--
For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[[email protected]]

Exactly the same problem in 3 different units? Because of bad solder joint?
All bought far apart in time!
Far out!
I have 2 of them:
RX1202FX (Serial # N1000158486, Date Code 1001)
RX1202FX (Serial # S1006617486, Date Code 1012)
with EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM!

No pots or sliders or switches on the unit have ANY EFFECT ON THE PROBLEM (tried every single one 100x). Only FX master knob even on min volume (And master volume slider, of course).
Stores do not stock them and trying one in the store won't work since the problem appears intermittently for no apparent reason.




On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY

please post.

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

skrev i en meddelelse
...

Exactly the same problem in 3 different units? Because of bad solder
joint?
All bought far apart in time!
Far out!
I have 2 of them:
RX1202FX (Serial # N1000158486, Date Code 1001)
RX1202FX (Serial # S1006617486, Date Code 1012)
with EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM!

No pots or sliders or switches on the unit have ANY EFFECT ON THE PROBLEM
(tried every single one 100x). Only FX master knob even on min volume (And
master volume slider, of course).
Stores do not stock them and trying one in the store won't work since the
problem appears intermittently for no apparent reason.

Send in for warranty repair then or return for a refund and move on in your
life.

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY

please post.

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

skrev i en meddelelse
...

Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY

please post.

You say that the world pro is on the box, so it is pro. Sorry, that is not
how the world is, if the word is on the box then it is most likely the only
pro about it. Behringer consistently makes some good products, but it is a
budget brand, and what budget brands save on is always button and switch or
connector quality ...

Some people are oompatible with buying Behringer stuff, you do not seem to
be one of them.

Go for Soundcraft instead.


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[[email protected]]

On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY

please post.

3 units with the exactly the SAME PROBLEM?
Doesn't look like "button and switch or connector quality" problem.
That is definitely design flaw!

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 7/28/2013 10:43 PM, wrote:
Exactly the same problem in 3 different units? Because of bad solder joint?
All bought far apart in time!

Three of them?

Software isn't intermittent. There must be a problem that can be fixed,
but it may be a production problem that can only be fixed at the factory
or an official service center (if there are any). Sometimes it takes a
little digging in order to find out how to get a faulty product repaired.

Do you have one that's under warranty? That's the one that you should
have fixed, but you have to initiate the warranty repair. It may take a
phone call.


--
For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[Les Cargill[_4_]]

Mike Rivers wrote:
On 7/28/2013 10:43 PM, wrote:
Exactly the same problem in 3 different units? Because of bad solder
joint?
All bought far apart in time!

Three of them?

Software isn't intermittent.

Yes, it is. Frequently.

There must be a problem that can be fixed,
but it may be a production problem that can only be fixed at the factory
or an official service center (if there are any). Sometimes it takes a
little digging in order to find out how to get a faulty product repaired.

Do you have one that's under warranty? That's the one that you should
have fixed, but you have to initiate the warranty repair. It may take a
phone call.



--
Les Cargill

[[email protected]]

On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY

please post.

Yes 3 of them!
I have 2 of them:
RX1202FX (Serial # N1000158486, Date Code 1001)
RX1202FX (Serial # S1006617486, Date Code 1012)

And when I posted the problem on Behriner users forum another guy reported EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM!
http://forum.behringer.com/showthrea...-with-RX1202FX

The unit I bought brand new just ran out of warranty, so I am stuck with 2 lemmons from Behringer.

[Scott Dorsey]

In article ,
wrote:
Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY
please post.

Professional equipment doesn't say "Pro" on the box. Whenever you see
"Pro" on the box, you can believe that it's amateur gear.

What you describe is probably noise on the grounds from the effects
processor leaking into other stages. Odds are that if you put a
microphone on an input, it won't be quite so loud. Just mute unused
channels.

This is the absolute cheapest bargain basement gear. You should be pleased
that it works at all given how cheaply it is made.

It might be possible for a technician to add some additional decoupling
capacitors around the effects system to quiet the grounds and rails down.
But it's really not worth the trouble to work on equipment this cheap
because as soon as you fix one thing, you notice something else.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 7/29/2013 8:15 AM, Les Cargill wrote:

Software isn't intermittent.
Yes, it is. Frequently.

No, it isn't. The environment is intermittent.



--
For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[Les Cargill[_4_]]

Mike Rivers wrote:
On 7/29/2013 8:15 AM, Les Cargill wrote:

Software isn't intermittent.
Yes, it is. Frequently.

No, it isn't. The environment is intermittent.




*Sigh* Software can be, and frequently is intermittent.
Trust me on this...

--
Les Cargill

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 7/29/2013 10:40 AM, wrote:

And when I posted the problem on Behriner users forum another guy reported EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM!
The unit I bought brand new just ran out of warranty, so I am stuck with 2 lemmons from Behringer.

You got a response (two, actually) from a customer support person at
Behringer. They want your unit (or units) to study the problem. Don't
worry about them being just out of warranty. Get them into the hands of
the people who can help. They aren't doing you any good, and we sure
can't help you.

If you didn't get a useful reply from try again.
Point them to the forum thread and ask where and how to ship your units
off to get the suspicious board replaced. Don't tell them they have a
design problem. There may be a manufacturing engineering problem that
causes the intermittent behavior, and the best way they can fix that is
to study known defective units.

Don't waste your time bitching here, do something pro-active to help
yourself and other users of Behringer products that share the same
effects circuit board.




--
For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[Ron C[_2_]]

On 7/29/2013 1:15 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
Mike Rivers wrote:
On 7/29/2013 8:15 AM, Les Cargill wrote:

Software isn't intermittent.
Yes, it is. Frequently.

No, it isn't. The environment is intermittent.




*Sigh* Software can be, and frequently is intermittent.
Trust me on this...

Examples please.

==
Later...
Ron Capik
--

[Les Cargill[_4_]]

Ron C wrote:
On 7/29/2013 1:15 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
Mike Rivers wrote:
On 7/29/2013 8:15 AM, Les Cargill wrote:

Software isn't intermittent.
Yes, it is. Frequently.

No, it isn't. The environment is intermittent.




*Sigh* Software can be, and frequently is intermittent.
Trust me on this...

Examples please.

==
Later...
Ron Capik
--

Oh dear.... really? Not sure where to start, really...

Do you have access to a cable modem? A wireless access point?
A windows machine? An Ethernet port on said windows machine?

All of these things will need to be rebooted when
their internal state gets corrupted.

If you want intermittent to mean exactly the same thing
as a microphonic connection then you're too focused.


--
Les Cargill

[HIO]

On 7/29/2013 8:53 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:

Professional equipment doesn't say "Pro" on the box. Whenever you see
"Pro" on the box, you can believe that it's amateur gear.


Like Pro Tools.




--
Here In Oregon

Twitter: I don't tweet, I leave that to the birds.
MySpace: Then put a lock on it.
Facebook: Ever hear of the term identity theft?

[hank alrich]

Mike Rivers wrote:

On 7/29/2013 10:40 AM, wrote:

And when I posted the problem on Behriner users forum another guy
reported EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM! The unit I bought brand new just ran
out of warranty, so I am stuck with 2 lemmons from Behringer.

You got a response (two, actually) from a customer support person at
Behringer. They want your unit (or units) to study the problem. Don't
worry about them being just out of warranty. Get them into the hands of
the people who can help. They aren't doing you any good, and we sure
can't help you.

If you didn't get a useful reply from try again.
Point them to the forum thread and ask where and how to ship your units
off to get the suspicious board replaced. Don't tell them they have a
design problem. There may be a manufacturing engineering problem that
causes the intermittent behavior, and the best way they can fix that is
to study known defective units.

Don't waste your time bitching here, do something pro-active to help
yourself and other users of Behringer products that share the same
effects circuit board.

What Mike said. Keep in mind that one's behavior may generate a positive
or negative response from those capable of offering assistance. A good
attitude and restraint in thinking one is qualified to assess the root
of a problem can go a long way in the direction of satisfactory
resolution.

All Behringer kit is not created alike. Years ago Behringer replaced a
couple of DEQ2496's I'd installed in a dance studio, which failed just
out of warranty. The replacement units are still working, as are the
others that were installed. This is roughly six years of 12 to 16 hour
days, 360+ days a year.

A wide variety of causes may underlie this type of repeated failure. The
Great Capacitor Formula Robbery comes to mind, a situation that affected
electronics of very many types from lots of manufacturers, for a long
time.

Diagnosis is unlikely if one does not have the failed examples to
examine. Short of that it's guesswork, and welcome to the innernut.

--
shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/
http://hankandshaidrimusic.com/
http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic

[[email protected]]

On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY

please post.

I don't mind sending them the unit if they pay for shipping.
Both units are out of warranty.
Do I suppose to pay extra for Behringers blunders after I am stuck with 2 lemons?

I wouldn't mind sending them both units after my Mackie comes in (I am still using one on the gigs).
But than why would I need Behringers at all?
Honest manufacturers suppose to recall defective products and eve issue REFUNDS.

UPDATE:
Found one more customer with the EXACTLY SAME PROBLEM:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/contr...

By nucci1960 from Laguna, CA
That's 4 units with EXACTLY the SAME PROBLEM and still counting....

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:34:25 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY

please post.

I don't mind sending them the unit if they pay for shipping.
Both units are out of warranty.
Do I suppose to pay extra for Behringers blunders after I am stuck with 2 lemons?

I wouldn't mind sending them both units after my Mackie comes in (I am still using one on the gigs).
But than why would I need Behringers at all?
Honest manufacturers suppose to recall defective products and eve issue REFUNDS.

UPDATE:
Found one more customer with the EXACTLY SAME PROBLEM:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/contr...

By nucci1960 from Laguna, CA
That's 4 units with EXACTLY the SAME PROBLEM and still counting....

Why are these units out of warranty? As a customer you have a
responsibility to return defective goods in a timely manner. Bitching
here about failed stuff that is out of warranty isn't going to win you
much sympathy. It cost you very little, so ditch it and move on.

d

[[email protected]]

On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY

please post.

If you paid attention to the video there was NOTHING plugged into the mixer and all the sliders and trim pots at "0". It sounds EXACTLY the same even when I unplug XLR OUTs and listen via headphone output.
Any possibility of ground loop is ZERO, ZILCH, NADA!

[[email protected]]

On Monday, July 29, 2013 12:23:03 PM UTC-5, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 7/29/2013 10:40 AM, wrote:



And when I posted the problem on Behriner users forum another guy reported EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM!

The unit I bought brand new just ran out of warranty, so I am stuck with 2 lemmons from Behringer.



You got a response (two, actually) from a customer support person at

Behringer. They want your unit (or units) to study the problem. Don't

worry about them being just out of warranty. Get them into the hands of

the people who can help. They aren't doing you any good, and we sure

can't help you.



If you didn't get a useful reply from try again.

Point them to the forum thread and ask where and how to ship your units

off to get the suspicious board replaced. Don't tell them they have a

design problem. There may be a manufacturing engineering problem that

causes the intermittent behavior, and the best way they can fix that is

to study known defective units.



Don't waste your time bitching here, do something pro-active to help

yourself and other users of Behringer products that share the same

effects circuit board.









--

For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

There is no separate FX circuit board inside. And no plug in chips on the board.
Everything is soldered on one single board. There is nothing and bench technician can do to fix the problem

[[email protected]]

UPDATE:
Found one more customer with the EXACTLY SAME PROBLEM:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/contr...

By nucci1960 from Laguna, CA
That's 4 units with EXACTLY the SAME PROBLEM and still counting....

[Scott Dorsey]

In article , HIO wrote:
On 7/29/2013 8:53 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:

Professional equipment doesn't say "Pro" on the box. Whenever you see
"Pro" on the box, you can believe that it's amateur gear.

Like Pro Tools.

Yes, sadly enough.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[gareth magennis]

wrote in message
...

On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY

please post.

If you paid attention to the video there was NOTHING plugged into the mixer
and all the sliders and trim pots at "0". It sounds EXACTLY the same even
when I unplug XLR OUTs and listen via headphone output.
Any possibility of ground loop is ZERO, ZILCH, NADA!




I think you are replying to Scott, who did not say there was a ground loop,
you just made that bit up.
I have witnessed many a time a cheap FX daughter board in cheap gear causing
all sorts of nasty noises by transmitting its chatter down the cheap ground
and power supply lines.


Anyway, I think you ought to go find yourself a Kitten, and spend some time
playing with it. You will feel a lot better.

Then contemplate buying a Neve instead, you may gain a little perspective.



Gareth.

[[email protected]]

On Monday, July 29, 2013 2:40:48 PM UTC-5, Gareth Magennis wrote:
wrote in message

...



On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote:

Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY



please post.



If you paid attention to the video there was NOTHING plugged into the mixer

and all the sliders and trim pots at "0". It sounds EXACTLY the same even

when I unplug XLR OUTs and listen via headphone output.

Any possibility of ground loop is ZERO, ZILCH, NADA!









I think you are replying to Scott, who did not say there was a ground loop,

you just made that bit up.

I have witnessed many a time a cheap FX daughter board in cheap gear causing

all sorts of nasty noises by transmitting its chatter down the cheap ground

and power supply lines.





Anyway, I think you ought to go find yourself a Kitten, and spend some time

playing with it. You will feel a lot better.



Then contemplate buying a Neve instead, you may gain a little perspective..







Gareth.

There is no daughter board inside. Not even single chip socket. Everything is on one single motherboard soldered in solid. I even cleaned every possible plug in connector. And I used both units in dozens of different venues with same results. There are already 4 units out there (and still counting) with EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM. Need more evidence of design flaw?

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 12:50:26 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Monday, July 29, 2013 2:40:48 PM UTC-5, Gareth Magennis wrote:
wrote in message

...



On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote:

Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY



please post.



If you paid attention to the video there was NOTHING plugged into the mixer

and all the sliders and trim pots at "0". It sounds EXACTLY the same even

when I unplug XLR OUTs and listen via headphone output.

Any possibility of ground loop is ZERO, ZILCH, NADA!









I think you are replying to Scott, who did not say there was a ground loop,

you just made that bit up.

I have witnessed many a time a cheap FX daughter board in cheap gear causing

all sorts of nasty noises by transmitting its chatter down the cheap ground

and power supply lines.





Anyway, I think you ought to go find yourself a Kitten, and spend some time

playing with it. You will feel a lot better.



Then contemplate buying a Neve instead, you may gain a little perspective.







Gareth.

There is no daughter board inside. Not even single chip socket. Everything is on one single motherboard soldered in solid. I even cleaned every possible plug in connector. And I used both units in dozens of different venues with same results. There are already 4 units out there (and still counting) with EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM. Need more evidence of design flaw?

Seriously. All you have told us is that you are incapable of learning
from experience. If that doesn't teach you, we certainly can't.

d

[[email protected]]

On Monday, July 29, 2013 2:52:43 PM UTC-5, Don Pearce wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 12:50:26 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:



On Monday, July 29, 2013 2:40:48 PM UTC-5, Gareth Magennis wrote:

wrote in message



...







On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote:



Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers:







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY







please post.







If you paid attention to the video there was NOTHING plugged into the mixer



and all the sliders and trim pots at "0". It sounds EXACTLY the same even



when I unplug XLR OUTs and listen via headphone output.



Any possibility of ground loop is ZERO, ZILCH, NADA!



















I think you are replying to Scott, who did not say there was a ground loop,



you just made that bit up.



I have witnessed many a time a cheap FX daughter board in cheap gear causing



all sorts of nasty noises by transmitting its chatter down the cheap ground



and power supply lines.











Anyway, I think you ought to go find yourself a Kitten, and spend some time



playing with it. You will feel a lot better.







Then contemplate buying a Neve instead, you may gain a little perspective.















Gareth.



There is no daughter board inside. Not even single chip socket. Everything is on one single motherboard soldered in solid. I even cleaned every possible plug in connector. And I used both units in dozens of different venues with same results. There are already 4 units out there (and still counting) with EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM. Need more evidence of design flaw?



Seriously. All you have told us is that you are incapable of learning

from experience. If that doesn't teach you, we certainly can't.



d

Dah......
Somebody from Behringer website just posted on my video with the promise to solve the problem to my satisfaction.

[Tobiah]

On 07/29/2013 10:37 AM, Les Cargill wrote:
Ron C wrote:
On 7/29/2013 1:15 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
Mike Rivers wrote:
On 7/29/2013 8:15 AM, Les Cargill wrote:

Software isn't intermittent.
Yes, it is. Frequently.

No, it isn't. The environment is intermittent.




*Sigh* Software can be, and frequently is intermittent.
Trust me on this...

Examples please.

A multi-track recorder uses a different thread for
each track. As it turns out, those threads need to
access some global setting like tempo. Normally the
check so seldom, a million clock cycles go by in between.
The programmer forgot to make the tempo setting thread
safe, and once every hundredth time the use adjusts the
tempo slider *while playing* two threads contend for the
same resource, and one can't handle it and borks out.

Easy for the programmer to fix if it ever happens to
him while testing.

[Bob Quintal]

" wrote in
:



There is no separate FX circuit board inside. And no plug in chips
on the board. Everything is soldered on one single board. There is
nothing and bench technician can do to fix the problem


Baloney!

Competent bench technicians can repair solder joints, and replace bad
components soldered to printed circuit boards.

If the problem is diagnosed as a RoHS compliant (e.g. brittle) solder
joint, it may be easy for a competent technician to fix.

If the problem is diagnosed as a bad resistor, it may be easy for a
competent technician to fix.

Q

[[email protected]]

On Monday, July 29, 2013 3:40:36 PM UTC-5, Bob Quintal wrote:
" wrote in

:







There is no separate FX circuit board inside. And no plug in chips

on the board. Everything is soldered on one single board. There is

nothing and bench technician can do to fix the problem





Baloney!



Competent bench technicians can repair solder joints, and replace bad

components soldered to printed circuit boards.



If the problem is diagnosed as a RoHS compliant (e.g. brittle) solder

joint, it may be easy for a competent technician to fix.



If the problem is diagnosed as a bad resistor, it may be easy for a

competent technician to fix.



Q



Dah..........
And how exactly bad solder joint can cause EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM in 4 different units?

[geoff]

wrote in message
...
On Monday, July 29, 2013 3:40:36 PM UTC-5, Bob Quintal wrote:

Dah..........
And how exactly bad solder joint can cause EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM in 4
different units?

Do you want the units fixed, or do you just want to be famous as the guy who
kept whining about a Behringer problem ?

Clearly there is a problem with this unit - maybe a bad batch of some
component, or maladjustment in the manufacturing equipment for a batch.

If they can fix it, good. If not, what do you want - to simply whinge on
forever ? To get a medal ?

geoff

[geoff]

wrote in message
...
On Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:20:48 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Anybody having same problems with Behringer mixers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ddwGDdhTdY

please post.

I don't mind sending them the unit if they pay for shipping.
Both units are out of warranty.
Do I suppose to pay extra for Behringers blunders after I am stuck with 2
lemons?

I wouldn't mind sending them both units after my Mackie comes in (I am
still using one on the gigs).
But than why would I need Behringers at all?
Honest manufacturers suppose to recall defective products and eve issue
REFUNDS.

UPDATE:
Found one more customer with the EXACTLY SAME PROBLEM:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/contr...

By nucci1960 from Laguna, CA
That's 4 units with EXACTLY the SAME PROBLEM and still counting....

How long was the warranty ? Why did you not send it back then, or at least
take/send the new one back to where you bought it ?

You also bought the used one, so either take that back to where you got it,
or send it to your local 'B' distributor and get it fixed. You DID get a
response to you support reequests, but chose not to proceed.

I had a Mackie mixer that stuffed up once. So maybe you should look
upmarket. Oh, I also had a Focusrite Liquid Channel that had a design fault,
so where does that leave you ?!!!

geoff

[Bob Quintal]

" wrote in
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on the board. Everything is soldered on one single board. There
is nothing and bench technician can do to fix the problem

Baloney!



Competent bench technicians can repair solder joints, and replace
bad

components soldered to printed circuit boards.



If the problem is diagnosed as a RoHS compliant (e.g. brittle)
solder

joint, it may be easy for a competent technician to fix.



If the problem is diagnosed as a bad resistor, it may be easy for
a

competent technician to fix.



Q



Dah..........
And how exactly bad solder joint can cause EXACTLY THE SAME
PROBLEM in 4 different units?


One of many possibilities is that one batch of a part (resistor,
capacitor or IC) may have a defect in that a solder pad on that lot
of devices was contaminated with some oil. That part is used in one
place on each board. so each board will have the same problem after
the solder joint corrodes about 4 years after being soldered.

I've seen it happen.

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[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 7/29/2013 1:37 PM, Les Cargill wrote:

Software isn't intermittent.

Do you have access to a cable modem? A wireless access point?
A windows machine? An Ethernet port on said windows machine?

All of these things will need to be rebooted when
their internal state gets corrupted.

That's not intermittent, it's a known problem that eventually shows up.
It doesn't come and go, it comes stays there until and you reboot,
because you're not smart enough to fix it permanently. And then you
replace it.

If you want intermittent to mean exactly the same thing
as a microphonic connection then you're too focused.

No, it's just that I know what "intermittent" means. Software can appear
to be intermittent if, for example, there's a near failure of memory, or
the power supply regulation intermittently goes haywire causing
corrupted data. But code that's running doesn't stop running all by
itself unless there's a coding error, a hardware error, or an operator
error. All of those things can be unpredictable, but unpredictable
doesn't mean the same as intermittent.

In the case of this Behringer mixer, there's apparently a problem with
the effect processor board. Behringer seems to think that replacing it
will solve the problem. There may have been a design change, a bad batch
of components, or an assembly operator who didin't get enough coffee
before coming to work.



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[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 7/29/2013 2:53 PM, wrote:

There is no separate FX circuit board inside. And no plug in chips on the board.
Everything is soldered on one single board. There is nothing and bench technician can do to fix the problem

Replace a chip, maybe?


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[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 7/29/2013 4:15 PM, wrote:
.....
Somebody from Behringer website just posted on my video with the promise to solve the problem to my satisfaction.

Hopefully he gave you explicit instructions on how to get the mixer from
your place to theirs. And sent you a prepaid shipping label. Keep us
posted.


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