[Gary Eickmeier]

Luxey wrote:
But you threw us off by not mentioning anything about 'and add them
together' in

your original post.

He's just trolling. Again.

OK Lux-O, that is uncalled for. I have an obvious problem that I am trying
to get to the bottom of. I think maybe you are the one trolling for trouble.

I would have to think about Tom's question for a minute - what I did was
invert one of the channels of a mono pair. I guess what I should have seen
was two out of polarity channels, which if played back would sound like a
mono track of speakers that were wired out of phase - hole in the middle.
But what I did get was two flat lines. No, I didn't do anythng specific to
add them together, as I remember. I can imagine that if I had (just a
minute...)

OK, I just brought it up and tried some things. If I load the mono recording
into Audition, I can hear it on speakers but not on headphones. The
headphone function works jst fine on stereo tracks. I invert one channel to
get two channels out of polarity. They play OK on speakers but nothing from
headphones! I take it to Multichannel for editing. If I export it to
mixdown, it remains just two out of polarity channels.

The only way I could duplicate the flatlining problem was to go to channel
mixer and hit Average, which takes half of each channel and adds them
together to make two mono channels. Now I get two flat lines.

All of that makes sense, but not being able to get sound out the headphone
output only with that mono signal does not make sense. Note that if I
deselect one channel and play just one "ear" I can hear it on headphones in
one side. But if I try to play both channels at once to the headphones,
nothing! The headphone signal comes right out of the amp for the six channel
computer speaker system. That amp feeds the speakers just like it feeds the
headphone jack, I would think. Its output goes to the right channel speaker,
which acts as the control unit for the system. The headphone is not mono-ing
up the sound at its cord, because I have listened to a stereo track on it,
and it has stereo and it does not mute the center signal.

Gary Eickmeier

[Scott Dorsey]

Gary Eickmeier wrote:

OK, I just brought it up and tried some things. If I load the mono recording
into Audition, I can hear it on speakers but not on headphones. The
headphone function works jst fine on stereo tracks. I invert one channel to
get two channels out of polarity. They play OK on speakers but nothing from
headphones! I take it to Multichannel for editing. If I export it to
mixdown, it remains just two out of polarity channels.

This is the symptom of a lifted ground caused by a failed mini phone plug,
as I said repeatedly. Mini phone plugs have no place in any application
where you actually expect things to work properly.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Gary Eickmeier]

Scott Dorsey wrote:
Gary Eickmeier wrote:

OK, I just brought it up and tried some things. If I load the mono
recording into Audition, I can hear it on speakers but not on
headphones. The headphone function works jst fine on stereo tracks.
I invert one channel to get two channels out of polarity. They play
OK on speakers but nothing from headphones! I take it to
Multichannel for editing. If I export it to mixdown, it remains just
two out of polarity channels.

This is the symptom of a lifted ground caused by a failed mini phone
plug, as I said repeatedly. Mini phone plugs have no place in any
application where you actually expect things to work properly.
--scott

OK, thanks Scott. Then the bad mini jack must be somewhere before the
headphones, because the headphones work just fine with a stereo signal, and
they work fine on monitoring the recorder's output. So how could there be a
fault before the headphone jack that doesn't affect the speaker output as
well?

Rhetorical question - let me investigate further after work today.

Gary

[Scott Dorsey]

Gary Eickmeier wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote:
Gary Eickmeier wrote:

This is the symptom of a lifted ground caused by a failed mini phone
plug, as I said repeatedly. Mini phone plugs have no place in any
application where you actually expect things to work properly.

OK, thanks Scott. Then the bad mini jack must be somewhere before the
headphones, because the headphones work just fine with a stereo signal, and
they work fine on monitoring the recorder's output. So how could there be a
fault before the headphone jack that doesn't affect the speaker output as
well?

That's why I suggested it was a plug rather than the jack.

Welcome to the world of crappy consumer electronics.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Luxey]

Interesting, over here we say jack for both plugs and jacks, only we say male/ female. In above post, I was talking about male jack, ie. plug, now I'm definetly out of this ...

[Luxey]

As long as there are 2 outputs, ther's a posibillity only one's faulty. That's how.

[Luxey]

Could be, also, one of my my guesses is, it's (half) normalized thing, where plugging headphones cuts off speakers, and he did not plug good enough, sometimes those small stereo jacks have convex base, or something like that, you push hard to make it into slot, I can't read that much words about nothing, as Gary can write, so blame me, ... If he messed with it a lot, the result could well be cold solder, ..., so again, we come to your conclusion.

I still think he's trolling. I mean how long it takes to switch cable if you suspect it's bad? But, no, he keeps writing....

[Phil W[_3_]]

Luxey:

I still think he's trolling. I mean how long it takes to switch cable if
you suspect it's bad? But, no, he keeps writing....

I guess, it´s just more fun to keep a bunch of people around the world busy
with thinking about it, than just trying it and have the problem solved
within a few minutes, without yelling it out and getting on other´s nerves.
Must be something like that.

Recently I heard a "music teacher" complain, that the MIDI notation in his
DAW program would add numerous help lines for the bass notes. This "music
teacher" had not considered to set the low notes to a bass clef, rather than
using the default violin clef...
IMHO that´s purely embarassing, but the number of people who know
embarassment is obviously decreasing constantly. "The less you know about
something, the more urgent you need to make this your profession!" seems to
be today´s motto for most... :-\

Just makes me wanna puke more, than I could ever eat!