Hey all...

Anyone every use or hear about using these old mikrofons which were
originally sold with tape recorders, I think, for guitar cabs?
There's a guy that sold a few on eBay marketting them thus and
comparable to Shure 57s:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7356876688
$270 isn't something to sneeze at, I think.

....Moose

Oh man....
When I lived in Germany up until a few years ago, you would see that
stuff for sale with no bid or no buyers..
Looks kind of cool, but I bet it sucks big ones sonically and will bear
little relation to it's half price brother, the SM57

wrote:

Hey all...

Anyone every use or hear about using these old mikrofons which were
originally sold with tape recorders, I think, for guitar cabs?
There's a guy that sold a few on eBay marketting them thus and
comparable to Shure 57s:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7356876688
$270 isn't something to sneeze at, I think.

...Moose

They're still selling for under €10.00 in Europe. This one guy is now
selling them with a Buy It Now for $199.00 out of Germany. I don't
understand it. Maybe it's just a fluke. I have a few of these
sitting around. I've actually never plugged them in.


On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:21:04 +0100, david morley
wrote:

Oh man....
When I lived in Germany up until a few years ago, you would see that
stuff for sale with no bid or no buyers..
Looks kind of cool, but I bet it sucks big ones sonically and will bear
little relation to it's half price brother, the SM57

wrote:

Hey all...

Anyone every use or hear about using these old mikrofons which were
originally sold with tape recorders, I think, for guitar cabs?
There's a guy that sold a few on eBay marketting them thus and
comparable to Shure 57s:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7356876688
$270 isn't something to sneeze at, I think.

...Moose

wrote:

Anyone every use or hear about using these old mikrofons which were
originally sold with tape recorders, I think, for guitar cabs?
There's a guy that sold a few on eBay marketting them thus and
comparable to Shure 57s:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7356876688
$270 isn't something to sneeze at, I think.

This is about comparable to the average $5 high-Z consumer tape
recorder mike that you'll find in the trashcans at the end of day
at hamfests. I can't believe anyone would pay $270 for it.

Crappy old consumer mikes can be fun as effects, but don't pay actual
money for the things.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Not to belabor the topic but how would you go about comparing the
quality of say 2 mics side by side? I would think frequency response
might be one thing but then condensers and dynamics differ and that
doesn't effect quality. Is it purely subjective?

....Moose

On 9 Dec 2005 10:01:40 -0500, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

wrote:

Anyone every use or hear about using these old mikrofons which were
originally sold with tape recorders, I think, for guitar cabs?
There's a guy that sold a few on eBay marketting them thus and
comparable to Shure 57s:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7356876688
$270 isn't something to sneeze at, I think.

This is about comparable to the average $5 high-Z consumer tape
recorder mike that you'll find in the trashcans at the end of day
at hamfests. I can't believe anyone would pay $270 for it.

Crappy old consumer mikes can be fun as effects, but don't pay actual
money for the things.
--scott

For example, on eBay this guy is selling an old Bakelite Philips mic
and offers an acoustic guitar clip demonstration:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-unknown-...cmd ZViewItem
but he runs it through this: vintage Siemens V276a preamp = Rebis
compressor = RME converters.

Guess what, it sounds pretty good for an mp3 file.

....Moose

In article , wrote:
Not to belabor the topic but how would you go about comparing the
quality of say 2 mics side by side? I would think frequency response
might be one thing but then condensers and dynamics differ and that
doesn't effect quality. Is it purely subjective?

For the most part it's subjective.

I can tell you which microphone is _most neutral_ in most cases. And
it has to do with a lot more than frequency response.

But, for example, BLUE has designed a whole series of condenser microphones,
all of which have very uneven frequency response, and all of which are
designed for very different sounds. The engineer basically sat down and
figured out the sort of things he had to do to make various sounds sit
in the mix, then worked with his partner who understands the microphone
physics, to make microphones that did these things.

None of them are accurate. None of them are flat. But all of them are
useful.

Sometimes a crappy $5 microphone is the perfect sound for a given application
and that's fine. But that's not a reason to pay a fortune for a crappy $5
microphone.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

In article , wrote:
For example, on eBay this guy is selling an old Bakelite Philips mic
and offers an acoustic guitar clip demonstration:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-unknown-...cmd ZViewItem
but he runs it through this: vintage Siemens V276a preamp = Rebis
compressor = RME converters.

Guess what, it sounds pretty good for an mp3 file.

Sure. But you can get an EV M-43 microphone from Fair Radio Sales for
$8.95 if you want that kind of thing. Why pay crazy Ebay prices for junk?
If you want junk there is plenty of it out there for more reasonable money.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

There is the other aspect of the microphone which is collectability.
It has nothing to do with how it sounds. Most collectors never plug
in their 77As.

I'm still trying to figure out harp player's choices but I believe
this piece of junk mic is included on one harp player's website.

....Moose

On 9 Dec 2005 20:31:57 -0500, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

In article , wrote:
For example, on eBay this guy is selling an old Bakelite Philips mic
and offers an acoustic guitar clip demonstration:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-unknown-...cmd ZViewItem
but he runs it through this: vintage Siemens V276a preamp = Rebis
compressor = RME converters.

Guess what, it sounds pretty good for an mp3 file.

Sure. But you can get an EV M-43 microphone from Fair Radio Sales for
$8.95 if you want that kind of thing. Why pay crazy Ebay prices for junk?
If you want junk there is plenty of it out there for more reasonable money.
--scott

I've read a lot of the posts here and this is an excellent resource
for me. Many of the topics and quibbles center on the subjective
assessment of quality.

There is a simple way to assess objective quality of a mic using
blinded samples from various mikes with experts such as yourselves. I
would be interested how that would turn out.

For the most part it's subjective.

In article , wrote:
There is the other aspect of the microphone which is collectability.
It has nothing to do with how it sounds. Most collectors never plug
in their 77As.

I'm still trying to figure out harp player's choices but I believe
this piece of junk mic is included on one harp player's website.

If you mean blues harp (not concert, wire, or gut string harp), those
folks are very much into high-Z communications mikes of various sorts.
But that's not a reason to spend more than ten bucks for an old taxi
dispatcher mike. And it's certainly not a reason to buy an old consumer
mike, which may not hold up to heavy use either.

Lots of folks like saltshakers on blues harp too. When saltshakers
were a couple dollars at the hamfest, they were a good choice for the
application. Now that they sell for hundreds of dollars and there are
other mikes of similar design that are still a dollar or two, I don't
see a reason to buy one for actual use unless you are a collector that
likes to look at mikes in a glass case.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

In article , wrote:

I've read a lot of the posts here and this is an excellent resource
for me. Many of the topics and quibbles center on the subjective
assessment of quality.

There is a simple way to assess objective quality of a mic using
blinded samples from various mikes with experts such as yourselves. I
would be interested how that would turn out.

It's lots of fun. The first Stereophile test record had a set of speech
samples done through thirty or so different microphones and it was very
interesting to compare them.

But if one microphone was best on all sources, we wouldn't need this
big cabinet here.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Karl_Krack]

For info, the Telefunken TD series is very wide when it comes to quality. In the early 70s, Sennheiser bought the rights and patents to most of the telefunken mics and continued development. Hence, the TD9 sounds like crap, but you will be surprised when you try a TD11, probably because most of you know how to use the continued development and same capsule mic called Sennheiser MD409... See my point? Anyway, I never tested a TD20 and 25, but I recomend the 11 and the 15. The 9 is pure crap even though it looks exactly like the 11.

BREF