[Ty Ford]

On Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:26:35 -0400, Tobiah wrote
(in article ):

On 11/2/2011 2:35 PM, Ty Ford wrote:
On Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:14:14 -0400, Tobiah wrote
(in ):

Congratulations on your troll success so far.
Nice Mac/Windows war too.

Yawn....

Not very clever of me, I admit...

Tob,

I was yawning in agreement. Not clever of me to not accurately make the
point, either.

Regards,

Ty Ford



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[Arny Krueger[_4_]]

"gjsmo" wrote in message
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On Nov 2, 8:27 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"gjsmo" wrote in message

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On Nov 1, 1:35 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

"gjsmo" wrote in message

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The point I was trying to make was simple - A Mac is generally more
stable, and easier to set up than a Windows PC.

And that point has no validity, no support.
Easier to set up for sure. Remember how Macs work out of the box?

You obviously haven't taken a PC out of a box marked Dell or HP or
Toshiba
(or even Emachines, Acer or competitive) this millenium.

I have. Trial Office, nothing which can compete with iLife (a typical
consumer product to be sure, but not present in Windows), and
bloatware all over the place. Nice try, though.

This is a badly confused comparison. Ilife is not an office suite. Rule one
of comparisons is: Compare oranges with oranges, not pears. You really need
to learn a little about critical thinking.

Here's my story. I took a flash drive with my vacation pictures on it over
to my daughter's house. Now, on a Windows PC it takes only a few quick mouse
clicks to turn a folder on a removable drive into a full-screen slide show.
Not so on her new Mac laptop. She had to import them to her hard drive so
that we could view them. Windows 100%, Mac 0.0 %.

You said that HPs and Dells don't work right out of the box, and now you
want to haggle about non-comparable applications. That's pathetic! :-(

They generally work right out of the box. I can't remember the last one
that
didn't work perfectly right out of the box and I open those boxes dozens
of
time every year.

In the face of your monumental ignorance and arrogance, there is no
purpose
to trying to talk sense to you. :-(

I could say the same of you.

You could say it but it would be lie because even you know that one should
compare like things. I'll give you that much, no matter how much your public
behavior says otherwise.

[Scott Dorsey]

gjsmo wrote:

In all fairness, while PowerPC was a nice architecture, it was not
meeting the performance of x86. Apple decided to jump before it was
too late. Also, up until Lion, Mac OS included Rosetta, which allowed
PPC programs to run, though not low-level drivers and such. I
personally think no-one could have done a better job transitioning
architectures - Universal Binaries and Rosetta are pretty good.

A lot of folks with a lot of nice architectures (Sun with SPARC, a bunch
of folks with MIPS, etc.) had to do similar things. The x86 architecture is
pretty ugly, but huge amounts of money have been put into making it very fast.

And honestly, such vehement dislike for a competitor is unhealthy.
I've never particularly liked Windows, but at least I can acknowledge
its merits.

It used to be pretty awful, but Windows 7 is actually an advance. I am
surprised. It even has a usable command language, finally.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Tobiah[_4_]]

It used to be pretty awful, but Windows 7 is actually an advance. I am
surprised. It even has a usable command language, finally.

Does it? I haven't tried to use it since Linux was available. I
googled around a little but didn't see anything. What has changed?

Toby

[Tobiah[_4_]]

Yawn....

Not very clever of me, I admit...

Tob,

I was yawning in agreement. Not clever of me to not accurately make the
point, either.

Oh right, thanks for that. I guess I get a little
intimidated by this list sometimes.

[vdubreeze]

On Nov 3, 8:11*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

This is a badly confused comparison. Ilife is not an office suite. Rule one
of comparisons is: Compare oranges with oranges, not pears. You really need
to learn a little about critical thinking.

Here's my story. I took a flash drive with my vacation pictures on it over
to my daughter's house. Now, on a Windows PC it takes only a few quick mouse
clicks to turn a folder on a removable drive into a full-screen slide show.
Not so on her new Mac laptop. She had to import them to her hard drive so
that we could view them. Windows 100%, Mac 0.0 %.


User error. I do that all the time on flash drives on OSX. You
highlight the images and hit the spacebar. That's literally all it
takes and has been for a while.



You said that HPs and Dells don't work right out of the box, and now you
want to haggle about non-comparable applications. That's pathetic! :-(


You could say it but it would be lie because even you know that one should
compare like things. I'll give you that much, no matter how much your public
behavior says otherwise.


Whatever.

[Scott Dorsey]

Tobiah wrote:
It used to be pretty awful, but Windows 7 is actually an advance. I am
surprised. It even has a usable command language, finally.

Does it? I haven't tried to use it since Linux was available. I
googled around a little but didn't see anything. What has changed?

Microsoft has introduced something called PowerShell.

The original DOS command line was designed by someone who had seen
Unix-style I/O redirection and the like, but didn't really understand how
it worked. So it has pipes and filters, but they don't actually work in
any useful way. Unfortunately the Windows command.com continued to maintain
the brokenness for compatibility sake.

PowerShell basically throws all that away and gives you, not a Unix-style
command line, but something that is easily as powerful as what DEC had in
1975, which is a huge advance. It does all of the things you'd want a
command line and scripting language to do.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

gjsmo wrote:

Easier to set up for sure. Remember how Macs work out of the box?
And this is somewhat of a subjective point - as I said, Windows may be
easier for you, but I simply cannot stand the BSOD.

BSOD's are caused by defective hardware or by defective or otherwise
incorrect hardware drivers, such are generally the responsability of the
hardware vendor.

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[gjsmo]

On Nov 3, 8:11*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"gjsmo" wrote in message

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On Nov 2, 8:27 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:









"gjsmo" wrote in message

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On Nov 1, 1:35 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

"gjsmo" wrote in message

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The point I was trying to make was simple - A Mac is generally more
stable, and easier to set up than a Windows PC.
And that point has no validity, no support.
Easier to set up for sure. Remember how Macs work out of the box?
You obviously haven't taken a PC out of a box marked Dell or HP or
Toshiba
(or even Emachines, Acer or competitive) this millenium.
I have. Trial Office, nothing which can compete with iLife (a typical
consumer product to be sure, but not present in Windows), and
bloatware all over the place. Nice try, though.

This is a badly confused comparison. Ilife is not an office suite. Rule one
of comparisons is: Compare oranges with oranges, not pears. You really need
to learn a little about critical thinking.

A badly worded sentence, perhaps. What I was trying to say is that
most PCs have Trial Office (while Macs have full iWork), no version of
iLife or anything comparable (of course a Mac has iLife), and
bloatware not present on a Mac.

Here's my story. I took a flash drive with my vacation pictures on it over
to my daughter's house. Now, on a Windows PC it takes only a few quick mouse
clicks to turn a folder on a removable drive into a full-screen slide show.
Not so on her new Mac laptop. She had to import them to her hard drive so
that we could view them. Windows 100%, Mac 0.0 %.

Already answered, but this is in fact user error. It's really quite
easy. Open them with preview, or select and hit the spacebar.

You said that HPs and Dells don't work right out of the box, and now you
want to haggle about non-comparable applications. That's pathetic! :-(

They generally work right out of the box. I can't remember the last one
that
didn't work perfectly right out of the box and I open those boxes dozens
of
time every year.
In the face of your monumental ignorance and arrogance, there is no
purpose
to trying to talk sense to you. :-(
I could say the same of you.

You could say it but it would be lie because even you know that one should
compare like things. I'll give you that much, no matter how much your public
behavior says otherwise.

I do know. You misunderstood.

[Arny Krueger[_4_]]

"gjsmo" wrote in message
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On Nov 3, 8:11 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"gjsmo" wrote in message

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On Nov 2, 8:27 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:









"gjsmo" wrote in message

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On Nov 1, 1:35 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

"gjsmo" wrote in message

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The point I was trying to make was simple - A Mac is generally more
stable, and easier to set up than a Windows PC.
And that point has no validity, no support.
Easier to set up for sure. Remember how Macs work out of the box?
You obviously haven't taken a PC out of a box marked Dell or HP or
Toshiba
(or even Emachines, Acer or competitive) this millenium.
I have. Trial Office, nothing which can compete with iLife (a typical
consumer product to be sure, but not present in Windows), and
bloatware all over the place. Nice try, though.

This is a badly confused comparison. Ilife is not an office suite. Rule
one
of comparisons is: Compare oranges with oranges, not pears. You really
need
to learn a little about critical thinking.

A badly worded sentence, perhaps. What I was trying to say is that
most PCs have Trial Office (while Macs have full iWork), no version of
iLife or anything comparable (of course a Mac has iLife), and
bloatware not present on a Mac.

No, this is a transparent attempt on your part to avoid the fact that
mainstream PC's work do right out of the box, no matter what libelous things
I've quoted you saying.

Now you're trying to distract the discussion away from your false claim that
PCs *don't* work right out of the box. You're splitting hairs over what
constitutes *working*.

Gjismo, if you can't admit a blatant error like this, then you lack the
personal integrity it takes to be worth discussing even the time of day
with. :-(

[gjsmo]

On Nov 3, 4:51*pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"gjsmo" wrote in message

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On Nov 3, 8:11 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:









"gjsmo" wrote in message

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On Nov 2, 8:27 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

"gjsmo" wrote in message

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On Nov 1, 1:35 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

"gjsmo" wrote in message

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The point I was trying to make was simple - A Mac is generally more
stable, and easier to set up than a Windows PC.
And that point has no validity, no support.
Easier to set up for sure. Remember how Macs work out of the box?
You obviously haven't taken a PC out of a box marked Dell or HP or
Toshiba
(or even Emachines, Acer or competitive) this millenium.
I have. Trial Office, nothing which can compete with iLife (a typical
consumer product to be sure, but not present in Windows), and
bloatware all over the place. Nice try, though.

This is a badly confused comparison. Ilife is not an office suite. Rule
one
of comparisons is: Compare oranges with oranges, not pears. You really
need
to learn a little about critical thinking.
A badly worded sentence, perhaps. What I was trying to say is that

most PCs have Trial Office (while Macs have full iWork), no version of
iLife or anything comparable (of course a Mac has iLife), and
bloatware not present on a Mac.

No, this is a transparent attempt on your part to avoid the fact that
mainstream PC's work do right out of the box, no matter what libelous things
I've quoted you saying.

Again, these are my experiences. At this point, I have no reason to
believe that a PC works as well as Mac.
I have never had a PC which worked out of the box, nor known anyone
who had a PC work out of the box. I have a small business (very
small... I don't even have a customer a month) fixing computers. I've
had possibly 1 Mac customer out of a few dozen, and it was a problem
with a Citrix product (needed to have a certificate installed, I
believe). Anyone I know with a PC has problems of some sort, and every
Mac customer I know has nothing but praise for Apple.
One person I don't even know isn't going to change my perception. If
you maybe get 10 or so people to have the same criticisms, you'll be
getting somewhere.

Now you're trying to distract the discussion away from your false claim that
PCs *don't* work right out of the box. You're splitting hairs over what
constitutes *working*.

I expect perfect driver support, and for every program on a computer
to work as advertised. It's doable - look at a Mac.
Maybe you haven't seen it, but I HAVE seen computers which are
unstable, out of the box. I've seen dual-core, 3GHz machines with 4GB
of RAM run slower than my Power Mac G4 500Mhz. I've seen computers
which take 5 minutes to boot up, while that same Power Mac G4 took 30
seconds to boot from the day I finished installing OS X Tiger to the
day I sold it a year later (and upgraded to a Power Mac G4 800Mhz dual-
core). This is my reality. Clearly yours is different, and I don't
doubt that.
The point is, none of what I just mentioned is "working" in my
opinion, and when you put crappy software on top of it, it just
lessens my opinion.

Gjismo, if you can't admit a blatant error like this, then you lack the
personal integrity it takes to be worth discussing even the time of day
with. :-(

Please... I've presented multiple reasons why I think Macs are better.
You've presented your side.
I seriously think you're wrong on several accounts, but I wouldn't say
you "lack personal integrity". Bear in mind, while I realize this is
hard to do, I'm trying to discuss computers - not people.

[Richard Webb[_3_]]

On Thu 2011-Nov-03 13:23, Scott Dorsey writes:
It used to be pretty awful, but Windows 7 is actually an advance. I am
surprised. It even has a usable command language, finally.

Does it? I haven't tried to use it since Linux was available. I
googled around a little but didn't see anything. What has changed?

Microsoft has introduced something called PowerShell.

The original DOS command line was designed by someone who had seen
Unix-style I/O redirection and the like, but didn't really
understand how it worked. So it has pipes and filters, but they
don't actually work in any useful way. Unfortunately the Windows
command.com continued to maintain the brokenness for compatibility
sake.

YEp, and for batch scripting there have been quite a bit of
third party developers helping provide what was missing, and tools to replace the broken ones. One of the most popular
areas on my bbs back in the day was the file area for those
enhancements, and the conference discussing the batch
language on fidonet g.

PowerShell basically throws all that away and gives you, not a
Unix-style command line, but something that is easily as powerful as
what DEC had in 1975, which is a huge advance. It does all of the
things you'd want a command line and scripting language to do.

NEver played with it yet. THe only aftermarket tool I've
never found yet was one which does a better job than
sort.exe built into ms.
It's too braindead to sort a column highest to lowest, or
the other way around, accurately.
Example, if you've got a column of figures
1
2
5
17
23
29

NO matter how you want them sorted it would give you ...
1
17
2 23 29
etc.

OR turn it around, it'd still screw it up.
Unless you add the leading zero, i.e. 01; 05, etc.

grrrumble

Regards,
Richard
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[Arny Krueger[_4_]]

"gjsmo" wrote in message
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On Nov 3, 4:51 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"gjsmo" wrote in message

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On Nov 3, 8:11 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:









"gjsmo" wrote in message

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On Nov 2, 8:27 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

"gjsmo" wrote in message

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On Nov 1, 1:35 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

"gjsmo" wrote in message

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The point I was trying to make was simple - A Mac is generally more
stable, and easier to set up than a Windows PC.
And that point has no validity, no support.
Easier to set up for sure. Remember how Macs work out of the box?
You obviously haven't taken a PC out of a box marked Dell or HP or
Toshiba
(or even Emachines, Acer or competitive) this millenium.
I have. Trial Office, nothing which can compete with iLife (a typical
consumer product to be sure, but not present in Windows), and
bloatware all over the place. Nice try, though.

This is a badly confused comparison. Ilife is not an office suite. Rule
one
of comparisons is: Compare oranges with oranges, not pears. You really
need
to learn a little about critical thinking.
A badly worded sentence, perhaps. What I was trying to say is that

most PCs have Trial Office (while Macs have full iWork), no version of
iLife or anything comparable (of course a Mac has iLife), and
bloatware not present on a Mac.

No, this is a transparent attempt on your part to avoid the fact that
mainstream PC's work do right out of the box, no matter what libelous
things
I've quoted you saying.

Again, these are my experiences. At this point, I have no reason to
believe that a PC works as well as Mac.

At this point Gjmso, you've proven once again that there's no reason to ever
tell you anything that disagrees with your prejudices and limited personal
expereinces. You live in your own little universe.

[Steve King]

"gjsmo" wrote in message
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On Nov 3, 8:11 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"gjsmo" wrote in message

Big Snip

Here's my story. I took a flash drive with my vacation pictures on it over
to my daughter's house. Now, on a Windows PC it takes only a few quick
mouse
clicks to turn a folder on a removable drive into a full-screen slide
show.
Not so on her new Mac laptop. She had to import them to her hard drive so
that we could view them. Windows 100%, Mac 0.0 %.

Already answered, but this is in fact user error. It's really quite
easy. Open them with preview, or select and hit the spacebar.

Just another completely intuitive MAC thing, right? ;-)

Steve King

[Arny Krueger[_4_]]

"Steve King" wrote in message
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"gjsmo" wrote in message
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On Nov 3, 8:11 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"gjsmo" wrote in message

Big Snip

Here's my story. I took a flash drive with my vacation pictures on it
over
to my daughter's house. Now, on a Windows PC it takes only a few quick
mouse
clicks to turn a folder on a removable drive into a full-screen slide
show.

Not so on her new Mac laptop. She had to import them to her hard drive so
that we could view them. Windows 100%, Mac 0.0 %.

Already answered, but this is in fact user error. It's really quite
easy. Open them with preview, or select and hit the spacebar.

Just another completely intuitive MAC thing, right? ;-)

Not only that, but my daughter has been using Macs professionally for the
better part of a decade, so she's not exactly a noob. And, this is her
second Mac laptop. Her first one failed after a few years and Apple sloughed
their warranty on the ground that there was a tiny dent in the case which
indicated "obvious abuse". Just goes to show how the desire to be hip
overcomes bad experiences.

[Steve King]

"gjsmo" wrote in message
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Big Snip


Again, these are my experiences. At this point, I have no reason to
believe that a PC works as well as Mac.
I have never had a PC which worked out of the box, nor known anyone
who had a PC work out of the box. I have a small business (very
small... I don't even have a customer a month) fixing computers. I've
had possibly 1 Mac customer out of a few dozen, and it was a problem
with a Citrix product (needed to have a certificate installed, I
believe). Anyone I know with a PC has problems of some sort, and every
Mac customer I know has nothing but praise for Apple.
One person I don't even know isn't going to change my perception. If
you maybe get 10 or so people to have the same criticisms, you'll be
getting somewhere.

One customer per month? One MAC customer out of a few dozen? So, that
would be over a three year period at least, right? My problem with your
arguments is that your experience is so slim and your opinions so firm.
Such people in my experience are not generally careful thinkers, and so are
best ignored.

Steve King

[vdubreeze]

On Nov 4, 10:19*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:


Not only that, but my daughter has been using Macs professionally for the
better part of a decade, so she's not exactly a noob. *And, this is her
second Mac laptop. Her first one failed after a few years and Apple sloughed
their warranty on the ground that there was a tiny dent in the case which
indicated "obvious abuse". Just goes to show how the desire to be hip
overcomes bad experiences.


That's about as good an argument as your last one, Arny, and says
nothing about Apple the company. I brought my OUT of warranty MBP to
the Apple Store on Broadway and 67th and they replaced the logic board
at no charge and I guarantee mine had worse looking dings than your
daughter's. Why didn't she just bring it to another store or go back
the next day and see someone more sympathetic? Certainly not a good
anecdote for proof of anything. If she didn't want to do that, and
you didn't suggest it, it's just another case of you wanting a wrong
situation to speak for itself, like your mistake about running a
slideshow from a flash drive, and you'd rather be right than have the
situation be rectified. You didn't think to Google for how to run a
slideshow off a flash drive? I could give a crap about what the
score between Windows and OSX is, but you'll go on remembering it as 1
to 0 (or 2 to 0), long after your error has been pointed out.

Jeez, Arny. You're an incredibly smart person. Is it THAT important
that you're right even when you made a mistake?

[gjsmo]

On Nov 4, 10:24*am, "Steve King"
wrote:
"gjsmo" wrote in message

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Big Snip

Again, these are my experiences. At this point, I have no reason to
believe that a PC works as well as Mac.
I have never had a PC which worked out of the box, nor known anyone
who had a PC work out of the box. I have a small business (very
small... I don't even have a customer a month) fixing computers. I've
had possibly 1 Mac customer out of a few dozen, and it was a problem
with a Citrix product (needed to have a certificate installed, I
believe). Anyone I know with a PC has problems of some sort, and every
Mac customer I know has nothing but praise for Apple.
One person I don't even know isn't going to change my perception. If
you maybe get 10 or so people to have the same criticisms, you'll be
getting somewhere.

One customer per month? *One MAC customer out of a few dozen? *So, that
would be over a three year period at least, right? *My problem with your
arguments is that your experience is so slim and your opinions so firm.
Such people in my experience are not generally careful thinkers, and so are
best ignored.

Steve King

It's one particular source of experience. I do lack Arny's experience
in general, although I seem to in particular be missing the part about
Windows working out of the box.
I must wonder why so many computer repair businesses exist, and seem
to cater entirely to the PC market. It could just be because of
Apple's good support (provided you're under warranty), or maybe
because Macs are less error-prone. I won't pick - either is good.

If I were to be presented with enough evidence, I would certainly
reconsider my opinions. Arny alone is far outweighed by a few dozen
customers over an approximate 4 year period, plus my own experience,
that of friends and family, and my observations of people doing pro
audio work at live venues. That's how I think, and I think it's
perfectly reasonable to be skeptical like that.

For a particular example, I know one person whose entire family uses
Macs. I believe he has 3 or 4 siblings, and over 10 cousins on each
side of the family. Each has a Mac (assuming they own their own
computer). That's more than Arny, and they've been like this since the
Apple II came out - their Apple II still works.

To directly counter your argument, my problem with people like Arny is
that they assume that the rest of the world is the same as their
experiences, and won't listen to other people when their experience is
different. I agree I'm stubborn and less experienced, but I'm also
somewhat of a skeptic.

[gjsmo]

On Nov 4, 5:00*pm, vdubreeze wrote:
On Nov 4, 10:19*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:



Not only that, but my daughter has been using Macs professionally for the
better part of a decade, so she's not exactly a noob. *And, this is her
second Mac laptop. Her first one failed after a few years and Apple sloughed
their warranty on the ground that there was a tiny dent in the case which
indicated "obvious abuse". Just goes to show how the desire to be hip
overcomes bad experiences.

That's about as good an argument as your last one, Arny, and says
nothing about Apple the company. *I brought my OUT of warranty MBP to
the Apple Store on Broadway and 67th and they replaced the logic board
at no charge and I guarantee mine had worse looking dings than your
daughter's. Why didn't she just bring it to another store or go back
the next day and see someone more sympathetic? *Certainly not a good
anecdote for proof of anything. *If she didn't want to do that, and
you didn't suggest it, it's just another case of you wanting a wrong
situation to speak for itself, like your mistake about running a
slideshow from a flash drive, and you'd rather be right than have the
situation be rectified. *You didn't think to Google for how to run a
slideshow off a flash drive? * I could give a crap about what the
score between Windows and OSX is, but you'll go on remembering it as 1
to 0 (or 2 to 0), long after your error has been pointed out.

Jeez, Arny. *You're an incredibly smart person. *Is it THAT important
that you're right even when you made a mistake?

Let me predict Arny's response.

First, it's much trouble to try again.
Secondly, you shouldn't have to use Google for a simple task like
that.
Thirdly, I'm right.

BTW, that last one is called dogmatism, something Arny is quite fond
of. If you don't know what it means, Google it.

That being said, and devil's advocate being done with, +1.

[Arny Krueger[_4_]]

"gjsmo" wrote in message
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On Nov 4, 10:24 am, "Steve King"

I do lack Arny's experience
in general, although I seem to in particular be missing the part about
Windows working out of the box.

I haven't had a Windows PC fail to work out of the box this millenium, and
most of the last decade of the last millenium.

I must wonder why so many computer repair businesses exist,

They seem to be a dying breed. Many around here are closing.

I can tell you what hardware breaks on PCs most of the time:

Hard drives
Fans
Optical drives

In short components that are equally shared by PCs and Macs.

and seem to cater entirely to the PC market.

Same reason there are far more vetrinarians catering to dogs and cats than
Indian Star Tortoises.

It could just be because of
Apple's good support (provided you're under warranty), or maybe
because Macs are less error-prone. I won't pick - either is good.

Both are very self serving answers for you to provide. They are both
absolutely wrong, just more Mac bigot propaganda. Most people would think
for a minute and see some correlation between the far greater incidence of
PCs, and reach the correct conclusion.

If I were to be presented with enough evidence, I would certainly
reconsider my opinions.

Not likely.

Arny alone is far outweighed by a few dozen
customers over an approximate 4 year period, plus my own experience,
that of friends and family, and my observations of people doing pro
audio work at live venues. That's how I think, and I think it's
perfectly reasonable to be skeptical like that.

The fact is that I work on far more equipment than that, just by accident.

But don't get me wrong - Macs are a good example nice hardware running nice
software. It is just that the magic imputed onto them by some hihgly biased
and poorly informed sources is just that - magical thinking and not reliable
fact.

[Arny Krueger[_4_]]

"vdubreeze" wrote in message
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On Nov 4, 10:19 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

Not only that, but my daughter has been using Macs professionally for the
better part of a decade, so she's not exactly a noob. And, this is her
second Mac laptop. Her first one failed after a few years and Apple
sloughed
their warranty on the ground that there was a tiny dent in the case which
indicated "obvious abuse". Just goes to show how the desire to be hip
overcomes bad experiences.


That's about as good an argument as your last one, Arny, and says
nothing about Apple the company.

Well of course, its just one instance. Of course what did you provide in
response? Just one instance.

Jeez, Arny. You're an incredibly smart person. Is it THAT important
that you're right even when you made a mistake?

What mistake? ;-)

[vdubreeze]

On Nov 5, 11:23*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"vdubreeze" wrote in message


Well of course, its just one instance. Of course what did you provide in
response? Just one instance.

Obviously I was merely pointing out that your anecdote did not make
for any argument for anything except for that if you don't get
satisfaction with one employee speak to another. It was worth the
cost of a logic board for me, even if it wasn't for you.


Jeez, Arny. *You're an incredibly smart person. *Is it THAT important

that you're right even when you made a mistake?

What mistake? ;-)


Wow. Arny's selective memory takes effect even sooner than usual. If
I pointed out that if either my (learning disabled) 14 year old
daughter or nearly computer illiterate 88 year old mother was with you
and your daughter and the flash drive they would have told her how to
make a full screen slideshow by hitting the spacebar.

Does that jog your memory? Mistake. OE. Just say "I was wrong but
here's a proper example"...

Arny, you know more about the computers and computer language than
99.99% of the people here (and I know zero about programming, I'm a
musician first, recordist second), but you obviously know squat about
OSX in use, so you should keep those to a minimum so as not to cast
undeserving aspersion on your valid posts.

There are clearly two Arny's who post here, and I know better than to
get into a ****ing contest with this one.

[Arny Krueger[_4_]]

"vdubreeze" wrote in message
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On Nov 5, 11:23 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"vdubreeze" wrote in message


Well of course, its just one instance. Of course what did you provide in
response? Just one instance.

Obviously I was merely pointing out that your anecdote did not make
for any argument for anything except for that if you don't get
satisfaction with one employee speak to another. It was worth the
cost of a logic board for me, even if it wasn't for you.


Jeez, Arny. You're an incredibly smart person. Is it THAT important

that you're right even when you made a mistake?

What mistake? ;-)


Wow. Arny's selective memory takes effect even sooner than usual. If
I pointed out that if either my (learning disabled) 14 year old
daughter or nearly computer illiterate 88 year old mother was with you
and your daughter and the flash drive they would have told her how to
make a full screen slideshow by hitting the spacebar.

Does that jog your memory? Mistake. OE. Just say "I was wrong but
here's a proper example"...

In your rush to judge me, you ignored the fact that I didn't make the
mistake. The person who owned the Mac did.

Does that jog *your* memory?

I doubt that it would. :-(