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Currently I pipe iTunes over ethernet to an AppleTV that has an optical
connection to my DAC. I believe I am correct that the AppleTV only does 44.1/16, while software on my Mac allows up to 192/24. Is there a device I could use in place of the AppleTV (and, possibly, the DAC) that would allow me to transfer and play at higher rates? |
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:09:01 -0700, Robert Peirce wrote
(in article ): Currently I pipe iTunes over ethernet to an AppleTV that has an optical connection to my DAC. I believe I am correct that the AppleTV only does 44.1/16, while software on my Mac allows up to 192/24. Is there a device I could use in place of the AppleTV (and, possibly, the DAC) that would allow me to transfer and play at higher rates? Logitech Squeezebox Touch. http://tinyurl.com/29n2rya Handles up to 24/96. It also has a piece of software for Mac, Windows, and Linux/Unix that when installed turns computer into a local music server. Softeware connects directly with iTunes database and even supports album covers on the Squeezebox. Has both 802.11G and CAT5 connectability as well as outputs for TOSLINK, coaxial, R+L stereo, and headphones. Uses a capacitive touch screen that is very sensitive and the interface is fairly intuitive, but the manual that comes with the thing is next to useless - however you can download a complete manual from Logitech that is very comprehensive and you'll need that for some things. It's a GREAT internet "radio" client. I think that my favorite feature is the fact that I don't need the !@#$%^& television turned-on to use the thing like you do with the AppleTV! |
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Audio Empire wrote: On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:09:01 -0700, Robert Peirce wrote (in article ): Currently I pipe iTunes over ethernet to an AppleTV that has an optical connection to my DAC. I believe I am correct that the AppleTV only does 44.1/16, while software on my Mac allows up to 192/24. Is there a device I could use in place of the AppleTV (and, possibly, the DAC) that would allow me to transfer and play at higher rates? Logitech Squeezebox Touch. http://tinyurl.com/29n2rya Handles up to 24/96. It also has a piece of software for Mac, Windows, and Linux/Unix that when installed turns computer into a local music server. Thanks but not quite what I am after. I have Pure Vinyl 3, which contains their player. The player connects to iTunes and allows 192/24 (or 196/24; I forget). It also queues music in memory so it doesn't have to be played off the HD. My problem is I can't really benefit from this by connecting to the AppleTV. I think my DAC can handle it, but I am not at home to confirm that. Anyhow, I am looking for a replacement for the AppleTV that can be fed over ethernet and has an optical output for my DAC, or one device that does both. |
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On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 08:41:21 -0700, Robert Peirce wrote
(in article ): In article , Audio Empire wrote: On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:09:01 -0700, Robert Peirce wrote (in article ): Currently I pipe iTunes over ethernet to an AppleTV that has an optical connection to my DAC. I believe I am correct that the AppleTV only does 44.1/16, while software on my Mac allows up to 192/24. Is there a device I could use in place of the AppleTV (and, possibly, the DAC) that would allow me to transfer and play at higher rates? Logitech Squeezebox Touch. http://tinyurl.com/29n2rya Handles up to 24/96. It also has a piece of software for Mac, Windows, and Linux/Unix that when installed turns computer into a local music server. Thanks but not quite what I am after. I have Pure Vinyl 3, which contains their player. The player connects to iTunes and allows 192/24 (or 196/24; I forget). It also queues music in memory so it doesn't have to be played off the HD. My problem is I can't really benefit from this by connecting to the AppleTV. I think my DAC can handle it, but I am not at home to confirm that. Anyhow, I am looking for a replacement for the AppleTV that can be fed over ethernet and has an optical output for my DAC, or one device that does both. I don't understand. The Logitech device meets every one of those requirements. The server software cues the music from the computer's HDD, and it should support Pure Vinyl 3. It has both optical and coaxial digital outputs (to connect to your DAC) plus it has it's own built-in DAC. It will connect to your computer via either ethernet or Wi-Fi. The only thing in your list that it doesn't support is 24/192. OTOH, Why the hell would you need 192 KHz sampling rate? All it does is extend the digital frequency response to about 96 kHz (half the sampling frequency) and there's nothing up there in that stratosphere but noise. Also, if you are playing music ripped from vinyl, there's no highs on a record above 15-20 KHz, and even if there were, no cartridge has response that high and wouldn't be able to resolve that high of a frequency anyway (which, BTW, would be wiped off the record the first time you played it.). But all that aside, if you've made-up your mind that the Squeezebox Touch is NOT what you're looking for, good luck with your continuing search. |
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Thanks but not quite what I am after. I have Pure Vinyl 3, which
contains their player. The player connects to iTunes and allows 192/24 (or 196/24; I forget). It also queues music in memory so it doesn't have to be played off the HD. My problem is I can't really benefit from this by connecting to the AppleTV. I think my DAC can handle it, but I am not at home to confirm that. Anyhow, I am looking for a replacement for the AppleTV that can be fed over ethernet and has an optical output for my DAC, or one device that does both. Wouldn't an Airport Express handle this? |
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John Stone wrote: Thanks but not quite what I am after. I have Pure Vinyl 3, which contains their player. The player connects to iTunes and allows 192/24 (or 196/24; I forget). It also queues music in memory so it doesn't have to be played off the HD. My problem is I can't really benefit from this by connecting to the AppleTV. I think my DAC can handle it, but I am not at home to confirm that. Anyhow, I am looking for a replacement for the AppleTV that can be fed over ethernet and has an optical output for my DAC, or one device that does both. Wouldn't an Airport Express handle this? You will have to tell me more but I don't think so. It appears to just duplicate what AppleTV does. If so, it will also be limited to 44.1/16. |
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Audio Empire wrote: I don't understand. The Logitech device meets every one of those requirements. The server software cues the music from the computer's HDD, and it should support Pure Vinyl 3. It has both optical and coaxial digital outputs (to connect to your DAC) plus it has it's own built-in DAC. It will connect to your computer via either ethernet or Wi-Fi. I may have mis-understood. The way I read your original post I had to use their software to make it work. I want to use my software and send the output to a device that is connected to my HiFi system. Is that possible? |
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Audio Empire wrote: Logitech Squeezebox Touch. http://tinyurl.com/29n2rya Handles up to 24/96. It also has a piece of software for Mac, Windows, and Linux/Unix that when installed turns computer into a local music server. Softeware connects directly with iTunes database and even supports album covers on the Squeezebox. Has both 802.11G and CAT5 connectability as well as outputs for TOSLINK, coaxial, R+L stereo, and headphones. Uses a capacitive touch screen that is very sensitive and the interface is fairly intuitive, but the manual that comes with the thing is next to useless - however you can download a complete manual from Logitech that is very comprehensive and you'll need that for some things. It's a GREAT internet "radio" client. I went to the web site and it still doesn't look like what I am after, although it may be. I already have the music server software I need. All I am looking for is a conduit to my HiFi, either something that can receive the signal and optically pass it on to my DAC or something that has the DAC built in with RCA or balanced outputs. It also has to be as good as the AppleTV from an audio standpoint. A lot of stuff isn't. If the Squeezebox Touch can do this it may be worth a look. I think that my favorite feature is the fact that I don't need the !@#$%^& television turned-on to use the thing like you do with the AppleTV! I had to use a TV to set it up but not to use it. It would be nice if this were not necessary, but not critical. |
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On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 11:40:16 -0700, Robert Peirce wrote
(in article ): In article , Audio Empire wrote: I don't understand. The Logitech device meets every one of those requirements. The server software cues the music from the computer's HDD, and it should support Pure Vinyl 3. It has both optical and coaxial digital outputs (to connect to your DAC) plus it has it's own built-in DAC. It will connect to your computer via either ethernet or Wi-Fi. I may have mis-understood. The way I read your original post I had to use their software to make it work. I want to use my software and send the output to a device that is connected to my HiFi system. Is that possible? The only software that you need to install on your computer is the server software. This allows your computer to connect with the Squeezebox Touch. You can name any folder that you designate on your computer as the source folder. I use (and Logitech recommends) the iTunes' database folder, but it can be any folder you like. You can even pick several and switch between them from the Squeezebox Touch's touch screen or remote control. Anything that iTunes (or I) put in that folder shows up on the Touch (even the iTunes cover artwork). I even have HDTracks 24/96 downloads placed directly in the iTunes library database folder that show up (again with downloaded cover artwork) in the "My Music" menu item on the Touch. All-in -all, its a pretty nifty device. Added bonus - when the Touch is turned off, the screen becomes a nice digital clock with big, easy to read numerals. |
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On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 10:32:43 -0700, John Stone wrote
(in article ): Thanks but not quite what I am after. I have Pure Vinyl 3, which contains their player. The player connects to iTunes and allows 192/24 (or 196/24; I forget). It also queues music in memory so it doesn't have to be played off the HD. My problem is I can't really benefit from this by connecting to the AppleTV. I think my DAC can handle it, but I am not at home to confirm that. Anyhow, I am looking for a replacement for the AppleTV that can be fed over ethernet and has an optical output for my DAC, or one device that does both. Wouldn't an Airport Express handle this? Yes, but you still need a "client" to access your music. Without it you'd be running back and forth to your computer all the time to select what to play. |
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On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 12:09:50 -0700, Robert Peirce wrote
(in article ): In article , Audio Empire wrote: Logitech Squeezebox Touch. http://tinyurl.com/29n2rya Handles up to 24/96. It also has a piece of software for Mac, Windows, and Linux/Unix that when installed turns computer into a local music server. Softeware connects directly with iTunes database and even supports album covers on the Squeezebox. Has both 802.11G and CAT5 connectability as well as outputs for TOSLINK, coaxial, R+L stereo, and headphones. Uses a capacitive touch screen that is very sensitive and the interface is fairly intuitive, but the manual that comes with the thing is next to useless - however you can download a complete manual from Logitech that is very comprehensive and you'll need that for some things. It's a GREAT internet "radio" client. I went to the web site and it still doesn't look like what I am after, although it may be. I already have the music server software I need. No you don't. iTunes is not server software, it's just ripping software with a database. The server software merely allows your computer and the squeezebox Touch to "talk" to one another over your local in-house network. Once installed and running you never see it again. All I am looking for is a conduit to my HiFi, either something that can receive the signal and optically pass it on to my DAC or something that has the DAC built in with RCA or balanced outputs. It also has to be as good as the AppleTV from an audio standpoint. A lot of stuff isn't. If the Squeezebox Touch can do this it may be worth a look. That's exactly what the Squeezebox Touch IS. I think that my favorite feature is the fact that I don't need the !@#$%^& television turned-on to use the thing like you do with the AppleTV! I had to use a TV to set it up but not to use it. It would be nice if this were not necessary, but not critical. Then how do you choose what you want to play from the AppleTV box. You can't navigate through your albums with the AppleTV box without having your TV on so that you can see what you are choosing to listen to????!!!! |
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Audio Empire wrote: No you don't. iTunes is not server software, it's just ripping software with a database. The server software merely allows your computer and the squeezebox Touch to "talk" to one another over your local in-house network. Once installed and running you never see it again. Perhaps we have a problem with terminology. I use iTunes as the server. All my stuff is loaded on my computer's RAID system. I select what I want to play, individually or a playlist, in iTunes and send it to the AppleTV to convert it to optical. I suppose, if I had an optical output on my MacBook Pro I could go directly to my DAC, except the computer is on the other side of the room. ITunes may not be the best music server, but it is hard to beat at the price. With the MyVinyl Player front end, it also has the potential for superb quality. I have been very happy with it. I have been less happy with the limitations of the AppleTV. I think that my favorite feature is the fact that I don't need the !@#$%^& television turned-on to use the thing like you do with the AppleTV! I had to use a TV to set it up but not to use it. It would be nice if this were not necessary, but not critical. Then how do you choose what you want to play from the AppleTV box. You can't navigate through your albums with the AppleTV box without having your TV on so that you can see what you are choosing to listen to????!!!! I don't. I only use the AppleTV to receive a digital signal from my computer and convert it to an optical signal for my DAC. That is what I am trying to replace. |
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Audio Empire wrote: You can even pick several and switch between them from the Squeezebox Touch's touch screen or remote control. Anything that iTunes (or I) put in that folder shows up on the Touch (even the iTunes cover artwork). More potential terminology issues. I don't want to select music at the HiFi end. I want to do it while I am working on my computer. It sounds like Squeezebox is like Sonus and some of those other music servers, except the music stays on your computer. That's not what I am after. See my previous post. |
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On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 11:41:57 -0700, Robert Peirce wrote
(in article ): In article , Audio Empire wrote: No you don't. iTunes is not server software, it's just ripping software with a database. The server software merely allows your computer and the squeezebox Touch to "talk" to one another over your local in-house network. Once installed and running you never see it again. Perhaps we have a problem with terminology. I use iTunes as the server. All my stuff is loaded on my computer's RAID system. I select what I want to play, individually or a playlist, in iTunes and send it to the AppleTV to convert it to optical. I suppose, if I had an optical output on my MacBook Pro I could go directly to my DAC, except the computer is on the other side of the room. ITunes may not be the best music server, but it is hard to beat at the price. With the MyVinyl Player front end, it also has the potential for superb quality. I have been very happy with it. I have been less happy with the limitations of the AppleTV. I think that my favorite feature is the fact that I don't need the !@#$%^& television turned-on to use the thing like you do with the AppleTV! I had to use a TV to set it up but not to use it. It would be nice if this were not necessary, but not critical. Then how do you choose what you want to play from the AppleTV box. You can't navigate through your albums with the AppleTV box without having your TV on so that you can see what you are choosing to listen to????!!!! I don't. I only use the AppleTV to receive a digital signal from my computer and convert it to an optical signal for my DAC. That is what I am trying to replace. Then just get an Airport Express box. http://tinyurl.com/ye3nb2a |
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Audio Empire wrote: Then just get an Airport Express box. http://tinyurl.com/ye3nb2a I can't find the audio specs on it. Does it pass anything it receives? That would be great. It looks like it is WiFi, not ethernet and WiFi. I need ethernet in this location because my WiFi signal is too weak. It has an ethernet plug but it is not clear from the description whether it is input or output. It does not appear to have an optical output. The picture shows ethernet, USB and analog. I need optical for my DAC. The AppleTV can handle ethernet or WiFi, but as far as I have been able to find out, it only does 44.1/16 and I am looking for 96/24 or more. It does have an optical output I can connect to my DAC. Aside from the limited sample rate it has been the ideal solution. If the Airport express has an ethernet input and does 96/24 or better over optical, that would be a good choice. The info on the Apple web sites, at least what I have been able to find, doesn't answer those questions. |
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On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 19:42:39 -0700, Robert Peirce wrote
(in article ): In article , Audio Empire wrote: Then just get an Airport Express box. http://tinyurl.com/ye3nb2a I can't find the audio specs on it. Does it pass anything it receives? That would be great. Yes, as long as you use the optical output. The audio output is analog and comes from the Express' built-in DAC which is 16/44.1 ONLY and the USB plug is bandwidth limited to, at the most, 24/96. But the optical out is digital and not bandwidth limited and neither is the 802.11n Wi-Fi After all, it will wirelessly carry HDTV video so even so-called Hi-Res audio should be no sweat). It looks like it is WiFi, not ethernet and WiFi. I need ethernet in this location because my WiFi signal is too weak. It has an ethernet plug but it is not clear from the description whether it is input or output. It is both Ethernet AND Wi-Fi It does not appear to have an optical output. The picture shows ethernet, USB and analog. I need optical for my DAC. Did you not actually READ the Overview on the page I sent you? It says CLEARLY: "Ethernet or wireless networking capability" It also shows CLEARLY that the mini-jack is both analog and OPTICAL. You just need the proper cable or adapter: http://www.mycablemart.com/store/car..._detail&p=1439 The AppleTV can handle ethernet or WiFi, but as far as I have been able to find out, it only does 44.1/16 and I am looking for 96/24 or more. It does have an optical output I can connect to my DAC. Aside from the limited sample rate it has been the ideal solution. If the Airport express has an ethernet input and does 96/24 or better over optical, that would be a good choice. The info on the Apple web sites, at least what I have been able to find, doesn't answer those questions. No, it doesn't "answer" those questions, you have to actually READ it. |
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Audio Empire wrote: I can't find the audio specs on it. Does it pass anything it receives? That would be great. Yes, as long as you use the optical output. That's fantastic. Did you not actually READ the Overview on the page I sent you? It says CLEARLY: "Ethernet or wireless networking capability" It also shows CLEARLY that the mini-jack is both analog and OPTICAL. You just need the proper cable or adapter: Yes, I read it, but I missed the tiny "(analog and optical)" under Audio Minijack. Thanks for pointing that out; I was looking for a more-or-less standard optical plug. Two of three problems solved. I did see that the computer must have "ethernet or wireless networking capability", but I did not see that this device supported ethernet in and optical out. That is the critical need. There is an ethernet port, but I could not find its purpose stated anywhere and it looks like it is for output, not input. Furthermore, 100% of the documentation refers to wireless networking. Wired networking is only mentioned with regard to the computer. Am I reading that wrong? If this device will support ethernet in and optical out, while passing full sampling, whatever it might be, then this is the device for me. |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 14:57:47 -0700, Robert Peirce wrote
(in article ): In article , Audio Empire wrote: I can't find the audio specs on it. Does it pass anything it receives? That would be great. Yes, as long as you use the optical output. That's fantastic. Did you not actually READ the Overview on the page I sent you? It says CLEARLY: "Ethernet or wireless networking capability" It also shows CLEARLY that the mini-jack is both analog and OPTICAL. You just need the proper cable or adapter: Yes, I read it, but I missed the tiny "(analog and optical)" under Audio Minijack. Thanks for pointing that out; I was looking for a more-or-less standard optical plug. Two of three problems solved. I did see that the computer must have "ethernet or wireless networking capability", but I did not see that this device supported ethernet in and optical out. That is the critical need. There is an ethernet port, but I could not find its purpose stated anywhere and it looks like it is for output, not input. Furthermore, 100% of the documentation refers to wireless networking. Wired networking is only mentioned with regard to the computer. Sigh! If it supports both ethernet and Wi-Fi, what else would the single CAT5 Ethernet port be for? Am I reading that wrong? If this device will support ethernet in and optical out, while passing full sampling, whatever it might be, then this is the device for me. Why don't you call Apple's pre-sales help and ask these questions. I won't do your research for you. I say this device will do exactly what you need it to do. Either believe me or not, that's your prerogative. |
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Audio Empire wrote: Why don't you call Apple's pre-sales help and ask these questions. I won't do your research for you. I say this device will do exactly what you need it to do. Either believe me or not, that's your prerogative. I could not find a pre-sales number, but I did find the Apple forums and posted my question there. So far I have received confirmation that the ethernet port can be configured as the input. The optical output is still a bit confusing. One response I got says it is a pass-through device but is limited to iTunes sampling rates, which I think are 44.1/16 or 48/16. To me, pass-through implies any rate that can be run over ethernet, and CoreAudio can do 96/24. I am trying to acquire more information. |
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Robert Peirce wrote: The optical output is still a bit confusing. One response I got says it is a pass-through device but is limited to iTunes sampling rates, which I think are 44.1/16 or 48/16. To me, pass-through implies any rate that can be run over ethernet, and CoreAudio can do 96/24. I am trying to acquire more information. You might get reliable info at the Computer Audiophile forum. I haven't tried my separate mini-DAC from the Airport--it runs into the DAC input of my CD player--but I do seem to remember that it won't do hi-res. This is not a big deal for me 'cause 99% of my computer files are redbook. Greg |
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On Jul 1, 10:49=A0am, Robert Peirce wrote:
The optical output is still a bit confusing. =A0One response I got says i= t is a pass-through device but is limited to iTunes sampling rates, which I think are 44.1/16 or 48/16. =A0To me, pass-through implies any rate tha= t can be run over ethernet, and CoreAudio can do 96/24. =A0I am trying to acquire more information. I can't claim to be a definitive source, but my understanding is that anything that goes through the Airport Express will at some point be converted to Apple Lossless, which I'm pretty sure is limited to 16/44.1. If you want to move anything beyond that, I think you have to look beyond the Apple universe. Or get over the idea that there's anything worth saving at higher resolutions. bob |
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Robert Peirce wrote: The optical output is still a bit confusing. One response I got says it is a pass-through device but is limited to iTunes sampling rates, which I think are 44.1/16 or 48/16. To me, pass-through implies any rate that can be run over ethernet, and CoreAudio can do 96/24. I am trying to acquire more information. You might get reliable info at the Computer Audiophile forum. I haven't tried my separate mini-DAC from the Airport--it runs into the DAC input of my CD player--but I do seem to remember that it won't do hi-res. This is not a big deal for me 'cause 99% of my computer files are redbook. Greg |
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On Jul 1, 10:49=A0am, Robert Peirce wrote:
In article , =A0Audio Empire wrote: Why don't you call Apple's pre-sales help and ask these questions. I wo= n't do your research for you. I say this device will do exactly what you need = it to do. Either believe me or not, that's your prerogative. =A0 I could not find a pre-sales number, but I did find the Apple forums and posted my question there. So far I have received confirmation that the ethernet port can be configured as the input. The optical output is still a bit confusing. =A0One response I got says i= t is a pass-through device but is limited to iTunes sampling rates, which I think are 44.1/16 or 48/16. =A0To me, pass-through implies any rate tha= t can be run over ethernet, and CoreAudio can do 96/24. =A0I am trying to acquire more information. The issue is whether your DAC is local or remote. AppleTV, airport express, Squeezebox are remote devices. They interact with you Macintosh differently. For example, the airport express and AppleTV interact with iTunes (the application) directly over the network. CoreAudio, Audio midi etc are bypassed. Now, if you have a DAC directly connected to your Mac via USB, Firewire or optical port on the Mac etc, then audio midi and coreaudio functions are in play, so to speak. Hope this helps. CD |
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