[Arny Krueger]

"Audio Empire" wrote in message

On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 06:29:48 -0700, Arny Krueger wrote
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This just reinforces my point about the quality of
listeners that take part in these university level DBT
studies such as the Meyer/Moran paper that you are so
fond of.

The Meyer Moran tests were done "With the help of about
60 members of the Boston Audio Society and many other
interested parties.."

(The above is a quote from page one of the Meyer JAES Peer-reviewed
paper. )

Your claim is totally falsified.

The paper also says that they used over one hundred
participants, "of widely varying ages, activities, and
levels of musical and audio experience.'

Thank you for presenting more evidence that is contrary to your previous
statements about the listening panels being compsed of just university
students.

While there may have been *some* university students in the listening
panels, it is abundently clear that the listeners were people of "of widely
varying ages, activities, and
levels of musical and audio experience."

BTW the rest of the sentence I quoted said:

"a series of double-blind (A/B/X) listening tests were
held over a period of about a year"

Yep.

Thus we have recent confirmation of the validity of ABX
testing in a peer-reviewed paper.

I didn't see the peer-review info noted in that paper.

I'm sorry that you are so unfamiliar with the protocols that are used to
qualify papers that are published in the JAES.

[Audio Empire]

On Sun, 3 Apr 2011 07:34:26 -0700, Arny Krueger wrote
(in article ):

"Audio Empire" wrote in message

On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 06:29:48 -0700, Arny Krueger wrote
(in article ):

"Audio Empire" wrote in
message

This just reinforces my point about the quality of
listeners that take part in these university level DBT
studies such as the Meyer/Moran paper that you are so
fond of.

The Meyer Moran tests were done "With the help of about
60 members of the Boston Audio Society and many other
interested parties.."

(The above is a quote from page one of the Meyer JAES Peer-reviewed
paper. )

Your claim is totally falsified.

The paper also says that they used over one hundred
participants, "of widely varying ages, activities, and
levels of musical and audio experience.'

Thank you for presenting more evidence that is contrary to your previous
statements about the listening panels being compsed of just university
students.

You're welcome, except that I never said that the panel was composed of JUST
university students.

While there may have been *some* university students in the listening
panels, it is abundently clear that the listeners were people of "of widely
varying ages, activities, and
levels of musical and audio experience."

BTW the rest of the sentence I quoted said:

"a series of double-blind (A/B/X) listening tests were
held over a period of about a year"

Yep.

Thus we have recent confirmation of the validity of ABX
testing in a peer-reviewed paper.

I didn't see the peer-review info noted in that paper.

I'm sorry that you are so unfamiliar with the protocols that are used to
qualify papers that are published in the JAES.

Since I'm not a member of JAES, It shouldn't be surprising. However, you are
addressing a forum that I dare say has very few participants who are members
of the JAES. Therefore it is incumbent upon you to enlighten us about these
matters when you make such a statement as you do above. Otherwise, your
statement is merely empty rhetoric.

[Arny Krueger]

"Audio Empire" wrote in message

On Sun, 3 Apr 2011 07:34:26 -0700, Arny Krueger wrote
(in article ):

"Audio Empire" wrote in
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I'm sorry that you are so unfamiliar with the protocols
that are used to qualify papers that are published in
the JAES.

Since I'm not a member of JAES, It shouldn't be
surprising. However, you are addressing a forum that I
dare say has very few participants who are members of the
JAES.

The fallacy here is the idea that only AES members have access to AES
papers. For years I relied on a local library's JAES collection. In fact I
haven't been an AES member for over 20 years.

[Audio Empire]

On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 20:29:10 -0700, Arny Krueger wrote
(in article ):

"Audio Empire" wrote in message

On Sun, 3 Apr 2011 07:34:26 -0700, Arny Krueger wrote
(in article ):

"Audio Empire" wrote in
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I'm sorry that you are so unfamiliar with the protocols
that are used to qualify papers that are published in
the JAES.

Since I'm not a member of JAES, It shouldn't be
surprising. However, you are addressing a forum that I
dare say has very few participants who are members of the
JAES.

The fallacy here is the idea that only AES members have access to AES
papers. For years I relied on a local library's JAES collection. In fact I
haven't been an AES member for over 20 years.



That doesn't matter. When you bring up something that's this obscure, the
onus is on YOU to be forthcoming with the information. 30 years ago I, too,
was an AES member, but I certainly don't know what the protocols for
screening JAES papers for publication are. I still say no one here except you
and possibly one or two other posters here who know that.

[bob]

On Apr 5, 12:47=A0pm, Audio Empire wrote:

That doesn't matter. When you bring up something that's this obscure, the
onus is on YOU to be forthcoming with the information. 30 years ago I, to=
o,
was an AES member, but I certainly don't know what the protocols for
screening JAES papers for publication are. I still say no one here except=
you
and possibly one or two other posters here who know that.

Oh, for crying out loud. I'm not even an engineer, and have never
worked in the audio field in any capacity. And even I know the JAES is
a peer-reviewed journal. Wake up.

bob

[Audio Empire]

On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 10:34:07 -0700, bob wrote
(in article ):

On Apr 5, 12:47=A0pm, Audio Empire wrote:

That doesn't matter. When you bring up something that's this obscure, the
onus is on YOU to be forthcoming with the information. 30 years ago I, to=
o,
was an AES member, but I certainly don't know what the protocols for
screening JAES papers for publication are. I still say no one here except=
you
and possibly one or two other posters here who know that.

Oh, for crying out loud. I'm not even an engineer, and have never
worked in the audio field in any capacity. And even I know the JAES is
a peer-reviewed journal. Wake up.

bob


For crying out loud indeed! I KNOW the JAES is a peer-reviewed journal, what
I don't know (and I'll bet money that you don't know either) is what the
protocols are for that peer review. THAT was the issue, not whether or not
the journal IS peer reviewed. I think that if Arny is going to criticize
someone who doesn't know the peer review protocols for a journal that is not
easily available to everyone here, then he needs to supply them. Personally,
I don't care what they are, but if you mention something like that, be
prepared to supply the info, or at least where the info can be accessed.

[Arny Krueger]

"Audio Empire" wrote in message

On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 20:29:10 -0700, Arny Krueger wrote
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"Audio Empire" wrote in
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On Sun, 3 Apr 2011 07:34:26 -0700, Arny Krueger wrote
(in article ):

"Audio Empire" wrote in
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I'm sorry that you are so unfamiliar with the protocols
that are used to qualify papers that are published in
the JAES.

Since I'm not a member of JAES, It shouldn't be
surprising. However, you are addressing a forum that I
dare say has very few participants who are members of
the JAES.

The fallacy here is the idea that only AES members have
access to AES papers. For years I relied on a local
library's JAES collection. In fact I haven't been an AES
member for over 20 years.

That doesn't matter. When you bring up something that's
this obscure, the onus is on YOU to be forthcoming with
the information.

There's nothing obscure about the AES Journal review process. It is
described in this document:

JAES Volume 57 Issue 1/2 pp. 3-4; January 2009 . The author is John
Vanderkooy.

[Audio Empire]

On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 10:34:49 -0700, Arny Krueger wrote
(in article ):

"Audio Empire" wrote in message

On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 20:29:10 -0700, Arny Krueger wrote
(in article ):

"Audio Empire" wrote in
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On Sun, 3 Apr 2011 07:34:26 -0700, Arny Krueger wrote
(in article ):

"Audio Empire" wrote in
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I'm sorry that you are so unfamiliar with the protocols
that are used to qualify papers that are published in
the JAES.

Since I'm not a member of JAES, It shouldn't be
surprising. However, you are addressing a forum that I
dare say has very few participants who are members of
the JAES.

The fallacy here is the idea that only AES members have
access to AES papers. For years I relied on a local
library's JAES collection. In fact I haven't been an AES
member for over 20 years.

That doesn't matter. When you bring up something that's
this obscure, the onus is on YOU to be forthcoming with
the information.

There's nothing obscure about the AES Journal review process. It is
described in this document:

JAES Volume 57 Issue 1/2 pp. 3-4; January 2009 . The author is John
Vanderkooy.



Thatnk you Arny. That's better. Now, the January 2009 issue can be found
where?

[Arny Krueger]

"Audio Empire" wrote in message

On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 10:34:49 -0700, Arny Krueger wrote
(in article ):

"Audio Empire" wrote in
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On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 20:29:10 -0700, Arny Krueger wrote
(in article ):

"Audio Empire" wrote in
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On Sun, 3 Apr 2011 07:34:26 -0700, Arny Krueger wrote
(in article ):

"Audio Empire" wrote in
message

I'm sorry that you are so unfamiliar with the
protocols that are used to qualify papers that are
published in the JAES.

Since I'm not a member of JAES, It shouldn't be
surprising. However, you are addressing a forum that I
dare say has very few participants who are members of
the JAES.

The fallacy here is the idea that only AES members have
access to AES papers. For years I relied on a local
library's JAES collection. In fact I haven't been an
AES member for over 20 years.

That doesn't matter. When you bring up something that's
this obscure, the onus is on YOU to be forthcoming with
the information.

There's nothing obscure about the AES Journal review
process. It is described in this document:

JAES Volume 57 Issue 1/2 pp. 3-4; January 2009 . The
author is John Vanderkooy.

Thatnk you Arny. That's better. Now, the January 2009
issue can be found where?

Order the article from the AES web site!