[Audio Empire]

On Wed, 16 Feb 2011 07:10:43 -0800, Scott wrote
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On Feb 16, 5:36=A0am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
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On Feb 15, 5:30=3DA0am, "Arny Krueger"
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:56:57 -0800, Arny Krueger wrote
(in article ):

Serious development of the vinyl LP pretty well petered
out in the middle-late 1960s. =3DA0There have been no new
technical developments that were generally accepted
since then.
I think that you'd be surprised at just how incorrect
that assessment is. DMM is one innovation that has been
added since the '60s
DMM fails the test of general acceptance.
Since when is 'general acceptance" any sort of test of
the state of the art?

If you want to quibble with my choice of words, then enjoy!

It's not the words arny it's the very idea behind them that is
absurd.


Experience shows that the general acceptance or non-acceptance of an alle=
ged
technology after decades of experience is the world's most relevant
evaluation of that technology.

Experience shows no such thing. Quite the opposite. History shows that
state of the art often is a lonesome place where others often never
follow for many reasons. By your logic things like the heat shields on
the space shuttle are not state of the art because they are not widely
used.

In Arny's defense, here (not that Arny NEEDS any help in that department.
He's more than capable of defending his own opinions - and often is the only
person who CAN 8^) I have to disagree with your analogy. Heat shields for
spacecraft ARE widely used - on spacecraft. The only reason that they aren't
used in other applications is because they aren't NEEDED in other
applications. Nothing, other than spacecraft, that gets that hot, need heat
shields that effective AND that lightweight. Record cutting lathes aren't
widely used (or used at all, for that matter) outside of the phonograph
mastering industry either, for the same reason. I suspect that Arny was
saying that these technologies weren't widely accepted even in the phonograph
record mastering industry and he is correct. It is used, and records cut with
it are superior, but it is obviously more expensive than standard lacquer
mastering and I suspect that it's probably because today's lacquer blanks
offer similar performance without the expense. It's all about materials
technology.

May as well say CD having a wider
dynamic range fails the test of "general acceptance" due
to the general use of compression.

You're conflating mastering for sitautions where dynamic range is
detrimental to listening enjoyment in say mobile or other noisy
environments, with the limiations of a medium. =A0We've discussed this to
death, so I won't be distracted by this essentially OT comment.

I'm not conflating anything just showing how your argument fails when
applied to other things.



Plenty of recordings are being
made by traditional metal plating, to this day.
=3DA0Classic Records for ex=3D ample if you can believe
their PR.
I think what you mean is there are still people cutting
with laquer. And it is true that a lot of cutting
engineers think laquer is still the superior medium for
cutting records.

Hence my statement that DMM which is cutting metal and not laquer, has
failed the test of general acceptance. =A0Wikipeida says that DMM was
introduced in 1974, so the technology is now over 35 years old. =A0The
"decades of experience" criteria has been met.

It is a weak argument borne out of a lack of information. If one wants
to learn more on the subject they would be better served by talking to
mastering engineers whose opinions on the two media are based in hands
on experience not on some bizarre self serving measure dubbed "general
accpetance." If one cares to look they will find arguments that
actually are logical and based in fact and experience.

Well, the fact that the only DMM mastering facilities in The USA belong to
Church of Scientology - for mastering ONLY the speeches of L. Ron Hunbbard
and other church-related materials, shows that the technology is thin on the
ground here. There are a number of DMM facilities in Europe, but I'm not sure
how much actual DMM work they do.