[Audio Empire]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 05:30:55 -0800, Arny Krueger wrote
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"Stephen McElroy" wrote in
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Audio Empire wrote:

On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:56:57 -0800, Arny Krueger wrote
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Serious development of the vinyl LP pretty well petered
out in the middle-late 1960s. There have been no new
technical developments that were generally accepted
since then.



I think that you'd be surprised at just how incorrect
that assessment is. DMM is one innovation that has been
added since the '60s as well as things like digital
lathe control, better sounding acceleration limiters for
the cutter stylus, better "lacquer" disc materials (less
noise) and generally less 'colored' electronics all
through the system.

And there's nothing wrong with incremental improvements.

The proof is in the pudding. LP test records made using the best modern
procedures and equipment measure no quieter than classics from the 1960s and
1970s such as those by CBS Laboratories.

Yet by your own admission you sat that you've never heard any of these modern
re-masterings from companies such as Classics Records. So how would you know
what improvements have been wrought?

[Arny Krueger]

"Audio Empire" wrote in message

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 05:30:55 -0800, Arny Krueger wrote
(in article ):

"Stephen McElroy" wrote in
message
In article ,
Audio Empire wrote:

On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:56:57 -0800, Arny Krueger wrote
(in article ):

Serious development of the vinyl LP pretty well
petered out in the middle-late 1960s. There have
been no new technical developments that were
generally accepted since then.

I think that you'd be surprised at just how incorrect
that assessment is. DMM is one innovation that has been
added since the '60s as well as things like digital
lathe control, better sounding acceleration limiters
for the cutter stylus, better "lacquer" disc materials
(less noise) and generally less 'colored' electronics
all through the system.

And there's nothing wrong with incremental improvements.

The proof is in the pudding. LP test records made using
the best modern procedures and equipment measure no
quieter than classics from the 1960s and 1970s such as
those by CBS Laboratories.

Yet by your own admission you sat that you've never heard
any of these modern re-masterings from companies such as
Classics Records.

I have admitted no such thing. I've heard modern re-masterings. Nothing
wrong with them, given the obvious limitations of the medium(s) that they
are based on.

So how would you know what improvements have been wrought?

The comparisons that I mentioned above are based on SOTA legacy recordings
and modern recordings that are alleged to be made to the highest modern
standards. That they are test records and therefore easier to evaluate
technically does not limit their performance in any way.

If you think about it, the very reason for existence of a test record
demands that it be made to the highest contemporary standards. While a test
record from a general-interest magazine such as Popular Science might be a
little suspect, those made by CBS Labs or in modern times Hi Fi News, should
be beyond reproach. I've got a good selection of them including duplicates
in some cases.