[Paul[_13_]]

Things like the softsynths, and the virtual organs I have
downloaded
as free VST plug-ins into Cubase LE 4, have WAY too much delay to
be practical as real-time recording instruments, unless you somehow
get used to the delay. Additionally, some of them have tons of
digital noise,
and the general tonal quality left something to be desired. I was
using my
Yamaha P-85 as the MIDI trigger.

Some people have said that they are using more soft-synths these
days, but maybe they mean the lead-type synths (Minimoog, etc), where
the
soft-synths appear to work reasonably well.

I was hoping I could avoid buying a Korg TR keyboard, as these
have
the same engine as the Triton series, and have nice pipe organs
for me to use. But after testing out the available free virtual-
organs, it
looks like you get what you pay for. I friend of mine mentioned how
stand-alone keyboards generally sound better than software synths,
and I'm starting to believe him.....

How do you guys generally use these soft-synths to record with?
If
at all?

[The Famous 3-chord Beer Hall Karaoker.]

"Paul" wrote in message
...

Things like the softsynths, and the virtual organs I have
downloaded
as free VST plug-ins into Cubase LE 4, have WAY too much delay to
be practical as real-time recording instruments, unless you somehow
get used to the delay.


Oh please, this is entry level stuff.

Read up on "latency" then get back to us in a few years once you have clue

[Hueyduck[_3_]]

Paul a écrit :


How do you guys generally use these soft-synths to record with?
If
at all?


Hi paul,

With the same VST-i and the same PC, I can get a 0.75ms latency (it's as
if I was hearing the sound from a 22cm distance)or a 250 ms latency.
I just have to change the audio driver cubase is using.

Use an ASIO driver written for your audio card and you'll be able to
play any good quality VST-i.

Sorry if this is too obvious an answer


Huey

[Paul[_13_]]

On Sep 21, 2:57*am, Hueyduck wrote:
Paul a écrit :



* * How do you guys generally use these soft-synths to record with?
If
at all?

Hi paul,

With the same VST-i and the same PC, I can get a 0.75ms latency (it's as
if I was hearing the sound from a 22cm distance)or a 250 ms latency.
I just have to change the audio driver cubase is using.

Use an ASIO driver written for your audio card and you'll be able to
play any good quality VST-i.

Sorry if this is too obvious an answer

Huey


Ok, you bring up a good point.

The latency is far less, and actually tolerable, when
I monitor over the headphone output of my Tascam US-1641.
For the ASIO Directx full duplex driver: In latency = 325mS, and Out
latency = 46mS.

versus:

Tascam US-1641: In latency = 3.9 mS, and Out latency = 25.6mS


So it appears most of the latency was on the input......I assume
these latencies refer to the delay of the D/A converters?

[Paul[_13_]]

On Sep 21, 5:18*am, Paul wrote:
On Sep 21, 2:57*am, Hueyduck wrote:



Paul a écrit :

* * How do you guys generally use these soft-synths to record with?
If
at all?

Hi paul,

With the same VST-i and the same PC, I can get a 0.75ms latency (it's as
if I was hearing the sound from a 22cm distance)or a 250 ms latency.
I just have to change the audio driver cubase is using.

Use an ASIO driver written for your audio card and you'll be able to
play any good quality VST-i.

Sorry if this is too obvious an answer

Huey

* * * *Ok, you bring up a good point.

* * * The latency is far less, and actually tolerable, when
I monitor over the headphone output of my Tascam US-1641.
For the ASIO Directx full duplex driver: *In latency = 325mS, and Out
latency = 46mS.

versus:

Tascam US-1641: *In latency = 3.9 mS, and Out latency = 25.6mS

So it appears most of the latency was on the input......I assume
these latencies refer to the delay of the D/A converters?

But you know, it still doesn't matter that the latency is
gone.....the tonal quality still sucks!

[polymod]

"Paul" wrote in message
...
On Sep 21, 5:18 am, Paul wrote:
On Sep 21, 2:57 am, Hueyduck wrote:



Paul a écrit :

How do you guys generally use these soft-synths to record with?
If
at all?

Hi paul,

With the same VST-i and the same PC, I can get a 0.75ms latency (it's as
if I was hearing the sound from a 22cm distance)or a 250 ms latency.
I just have to change the audio driver cubase is using.

Use an ASIO driver written for your audio card and you'll be able to
play any good quality VST-i.

Sorry if this is too obvious an answer

Huey

Ok, you bring up a good point.

The latency is far less, and actually tolerable, when
I monitor over the headphone output of my Tascam US-1641.
For the ASIO Directx full duplex driver: In latency = 325mS, and Out
latency = 46mS.

versus:

Tascam US-1641: In latency = 3.9 mS, and Out latency = 25.6mS

So it appears most of the latency was on the input......I assume
these latencies refer to the delay of the D/A converters?

But you know, it still doesn't matter that the latency is
gone.....the tonal quality still sucks!

Man, what VSTs are you using? There's some pretty decent free stuff out
there.

Poly

[Paul[_13_]]

On Sep 21, 2:40*pm, "polymod" wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message

...
On Sep 21, 5:18 am, Paul wrote:



On Sep 21, 2:57 am, Hueyduck wrote:

Paul a écrit :

How do you guys generally use these soft-synths to record with?
If
at all?

Hi paul,

With the same VST-i and the same PC, I can get a 0.75ms latency (it's as
if I was hearing the sound from a 22cm distance)or a 250 ms latency.
I just have to change the audio driver cubase is using.

Use an ASIO driver written for your audio card and you'll be able to
play any good quality VST-i.

Sorry if this is too obvious an answer

Huey

Ok, you bring up a good point.

The latency is far less, and actually tolerable, when
I monitor over the headphone output of my Tascam US-1641.
For the ASIO Directx full duplex driver: In latency = 325mS, and Out
latency = 46mS.

versus:

Tascam US-1641: In latency = 3.9 mS, and Out latency = 25.6mS

So it appears most of the latency was on the input......I assume
these latencies refer to the delay of the D/A converters?
But you know, it still doesn't matter that the latency is
gone.....the tonal quality still sucks!

Man, what VSTs are you using? *There's some pretty decent free stuff out
there.

Poly


Well, I'm talking about pipe/church organ VSTs.

One that I'm trying is called Church Organ 2nd, by C. Hackl.

The other one is called Organ One by Bojo Software, Denmark.

If you know of any other free pipe/church organ plug-ins, let
me
know.....

[The MAN]

On Sep 21, 7:46*pm, "Soundhaspriority" wrote:
*I friend of mine mentioned how

stand-alone keyboards generally sound better than software synths,
and I'm starting to believe him.....

* *How do you guys generally use these soft-synths to record with?
If
at all?

I have Steinberg's "The Grand" running with sufficiently low latency that
anyone other than a rather critical pianist would have no complaint. The
biggest part in the delay is usually not the synth. For USB keyboards, it is
the overhead in the USB protocol. An old sound card with a native MIDI
interface has much less latency.

Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511


You mean this one?

http://www.kvraudio.com/get/173.html


How much did you pay for yours?

[Paul[_13_]]

On Sep 21, 2:07*am, "The Famous 3-chord Beer Hall Karaoker." The
Famous 3-chord Beer Hall wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message

...



* *Things like the softsynths, and the virtual organs I have
downloaded
as free VST plug-ins into Cubase LE 4, have WAY too much delay to
be practical as real-time recording instruments, unless you somehow
get used to the delay.

Oh please, *this is entry level stuff.

Read up on "latency" then get back to us in a few years once you have clue


Read up on "penis" and get back to us when you find yours.....

[polymod]

"Paul" wrote in message
...
On Sep 21, 2:40 pm, "polymod" wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message

...
On Sep 21, 5:18 am, Paul wrote:



On Sep 21, 2:57 am, Hueyduck wrote:

Paul a écrit :

How do you guys generally use these soft-synths to record with?
If
at all?

Hi paul,

With the same VST-i and the same PC, I can get a 0.75ms latency (it's
as
if I was hearing the sound from a 22cm distance)or a 250 ms latency.
I just have to change the audio driver cubase is using.

Use an ASIO driver written for your audio card and you'll be able to
play any good quality VST-i.

Sorry if this is too obvious an answer

Huey

Ok, you bring up a good point.

The latency is far less, and actually tolerable, when
I monitor over the headphone output of my Tascam US-1641.
For the ASIO Directx full duplex driver: In latency = 325mS, and Out
latency = 46mS.

versus:

Tascam US-1641: In latency = 3.9 mS, and Out latency = 25.6mS

So it appears most of the latency was on the input......I assume
these latencies refer to the delay of the D/A converters?
But you know, it still doesn't matter that the latency is
gone.....the tonal quality still sucks!

Man, what VSTs are you using? There's some pretty decent free stuff out
there.

Poly

Well, I'm talking about pipe/church organ VSTs.
One that I'm trying is called Church Organ 2nd, by C. Hackl.
The other one is called Organ One by Bojo Software, Denmark.
If you know of any other free pipe/church organ plug-ins, let
me know.....

Ah....Church Organ emulations. Sorry, can't help you there.

Poly

[Tachin]

On Sep 20, 6:48*pm, Paul wrote:
* * Things like the softsynths, and the virtual organs I have
downloaded
as free VST plug-ins into Cubase LE 4, have WAY too much delay to
be practical as real-time recording instruments, unless you somehow
get used to the delay. *Additionally, some of them have tons of
digital noise,
and the general tonal quality left something to be desired. *I was
using my
Yamaha P-85 as the MIDI trigger.

* * Some people have said that they are using more soft-synths these
days, but maybe they mean the lead-type synths (Minimoog, etc), where
the
soft-synths appear to work reasonably well.

* * I was hoping I could avoid buying a Korg TR keyboard, as these
have
the same engine as the Triton series, and have nice pipe organs
for me to use. * But after testing out the available free virtual-
organs, it
looks like you get what you pay for. *I friend of mine mentioned how
stand-alone keyboards generally sound better than software synths,
and I'm starting to believe him.....

* * How do you guys generally use these soft-synths to record with?
If
at all?

you haven't given us your specs, but as someone else posted, its most
likely the usb drivers for MIDI

[The Famous 3-chord Beer Hall Karaoker.]

"polymod" wrote in message
...

"Paul" wrote in message
...
On Sep 21, 2:40 pm, "polymod" wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message

...
On Sep 21, 5:18 am, Paul wrote:



On Sep 21, 2:57 am, Hueyduck wrote:

Paul a écrit :

How do you guys generally use these soft-synths to record with?
If
at all?

Hi paul,

With the same VST-i and the same PC, I can get a 0.75ms latency (it's
as
if I was hearing the sound from a 22cm distance)or a 250 ms latency.
I just have to change the audio driver cubase is using.

Use an ASIO driver written for your audio card and you'll be able to
play any good quality VST-i.

Sorry if this is too obvious an answer

Huey

Ok, you bring up a good point.

The latency is far less, and actually tolerable, when
I monitor over the headphone output of my Tascam US-1641.
For the ASIO Directx full duplex driver: In latency = 325mS, and Out
latency = 46mS.

versus:

Tascam US-1641: In latency = 3.9 mS, and Out latency = 25.6mS

So it appears most of the latency was on the input......I assume
these latencies refer to the delay of the D/A converters?
But you know, it still doesn't matter that the latency is
gone.....the tonal quality still sucks!

Man, what VSTs are you using? There's some pretty decent free stuff out
there.

Poly

Well, I'm talking about pipe/church organ VSTs.
One that I'm trying is called Church Organ 2nd, by C. Hackl.
The other one is called Organ One by Bojo Software, Denmark.
If you know of any other free pipe/church organ plug-ins, let
me know.....

Ah....Church Organ emulations. Sorry, can't help you there.

LOL!

You guys cant be serious, can you?

Too ****ing funny........;p)

Poly

[The Famous 3-chord Beer Hall Karaoker.]

"Paul" wrote in message
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On Sep 21, 2:07 am, "The Famous 3-chord Beer Hall Karaoker." The
Famous 3-chord Beer Hall wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message

...



Things like the softsynths, and the virtual organs I have
downloaded
as free VST plug-ins into Cubase LE 4, have WAY too much delay to
be practical as real-time recording instruments, unless you somehow
get used to the delay.

Oh please, this is entry level stuff.

Read up on "latency" then get back to us in a few years once you have
clue


Read up on "penis" and get back tSMAK!!


Dickhead, please...........I've just given you the best advice you're going
to get here.

Notice how no other serious poster can be bothered with your ridiculous
"question "?

Like I said, RTFM, asshole.

[Paul[_13_]]

On Sep 26, 6:26*am, "The Famous 3-chord Beer Hall Karaoker." The
Famous 3-chord Beer Hall wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message

...



On Sep 21, 2:07 am, "The Famous 3-chord Beer Hall Karaoker." The
Famous 3-chord Beer Hall wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message

....

* *Things like the softsynths, and the virtual organs I have
downloaded
as free VST plug-ins into Cubase LE 4, have WAY too much delay to
be practical as real-time recording instruments, unless you somehow
get used to the delay.

Oh please, *this is entry level stuff.

Read up on "latency" then get back to us in a few years once you have
clue

* * *Read up on "penis" and get back tSMAK!!

Dickhead, please...........I've just given you the best advice you're going
to get here.

Notice how no other serious poster can be bothered with your ridiculous
"question "?

Like I said, RTFM, asshole.


Haha! I can see the steam from here!

And notice how YOU responded to my post, so you cannot
be a "serious" poster yourself!

****-****!