[Shhhh!!!! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Aug 11, 11:59 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:
On Aug 12, 12:49 am, "Shhhh!!!! I'm Listening to Reason!"



wrote:
On Aug 11, 10:48 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On Aug 11, 10:44 pm, Jenn wrote:

In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

AS far as Carol Kaye, she claimed that it is her bass playing you hear
on almost all of the Motown stuff usually atrtributed to James
JAmerson.

This is a tough one. There is very strong evidence that Jamerson played
those sessions. And some also swear that Carol played on the Motown
sessions that she says she did, Hal Davis (who should know) among them.
Sadly, the record keeping back then was horrible. Today, one can go to
the Local 47 office and find out exactly who played what in L.A. since
about 1975 forward.

Carol is a nice person and an amazing musician. I only played with her
a few times, as she is now effectively retired. We say howdy at NAMM
each year. She is, undoubtedly, one of the most heard musicians of all
time, up there with Hal Blaine, Don Randi, Stevie Gadd, the Candoli
brothers, Dick Nash, Howard Roberts, George Roberts, Tommy Tedesco,
Louie Shelton, and a handful of others whose names the vast majority of
music fans have never heard.

Its not reallyn a tough one. On the sessions in question, the Funk
Brothers conglomerate played them in Detroit,

Kayes' bio on Wiki does not credit her with the songs in question.

Kaye plays with a pick and strikes the string near the bridge.
Jamerson plays with his fingers and strikes the string near the pickup

Kaye's factors lead to a plinky, twangy sound,
while al Jamerson's factors lead to a deep thumpy sound.

Listen to The Beach Boys "Good to My Baby" form Beach Boys today,
you can hear what I am talking about.Kayes sound.
Compare that to the deep Jamerson rumble
of the Supremes "Come See about Me" or "Stop in THE
Name of Love"

Both players used early to mid 60's P Basses
and flat wound strings.

I think there is a small little similarity in parts of the lines for
Shake Me Wake Me (Jamerson)
and Good to My Baby, but a big difference ins sound and style.

BTW, look at all the greats who played on "Good to MY Baby

Hal Blaine - drums
Steve Douglas - tenor saxophone
Al Jardine - backing vocals
Plas Johnson - tenor saxophone
Carol Kaye - bass guitar
Mike Love - lead & backing vocals
Jay Migliori - baritone saxophone
Bill Pitman - guitar
Don Randi - tack piano, organ
Billy Strange - guitar
Ron Swallow - tambourine
Tommy Tedesco - guitar
Julius Wechter - conga drums
Brian Wilson - piano, lead & backing vocals
Carl Wilson - guitar, backing vocals
Dennis Wilson - backing vocals

Jamerson is the greatest electric bassist of all time, in my opinion.
Kaye was exceptionally good.

Here is my list!

1 James Jamerson
2 Donald Duck Dunn
3 Jack Bruce
4 JAco PAstorius
5 Jack Cassidy (Jefferson Airplane, Hot Tuna)
6 HArvey Brooks
7. George Porter, Jr. (the Meters)
8 Nathan East (Clapton)
9 Darry Johnson (the Nevile Bros.)
10 Bob Glaub
11 Johnny Gaydon (AlbertCollins)
12 Chuck Rainey
13 Carol Kaye
14 John Doster (BB King, appx 1995-2005)
15 John McVie
16 Stanley Clarke
17 Bill Wyman
18 Lee Sklar

Note, I am not an Entwhistle or McCartney fan.

Tal Wilkenfeld will soon be on that list IMO.-

I had not heard of her
As it happens to be, two days ago I scheduled a recording ffor an
upcoming cable tv
performance of Jeff Beck, and wiki says she is the bassist on that.
the show will be airing in the next week or two, so I will get to see/
hear her play.
thanks

Let me know what you think. IMO she's pretty amazing, especially since
she has been playing bass for just a few years.

[Clyde Slick]

On Aug 12, 6:17*pm, "Shhhh!!!! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Aug 11, 11:59 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:





On Aug 12, 12:49 am, "Shhhh!!!! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 11, 10:48 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On Aug 11, 10:44 pm, Jenn wrote:

In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

AS far as Carol Kaye, she claimed that it is her bass playing you hear
on almost all of the Motown stuff usually atrtributed to James
JAmerson.

This is a tough one. *There is very strong evidence that Jamerson played
those sessions. *And some also swear that Carol played on the Motown
sessions that she says she did, Hal Davis (who should know) among them.
Sadly, the record keeping back then was horrible. *Today, one can go to
the Local 47 office and find out exactly who played what in L.A. since
about 1975 forward.

Carol is a nice person and an amazing musician. *I only played with her
a few times, as she is now effectively retired. *We say howdy at NAMM
each year. *She is, undoubtedly, one of the most heard musicians of all
time, up there with Hal Blaine, Don Randi, Stevie Gadd, the Candoli
brothers, Dick Nash, Howard Roberts, George Roberts, Tommy Tedesco,
Louie Shelton, and a handful of others whose names the vast majority of
music fans have never heard.

Its not reallyn a tough one. On the sessions in question, the Funk
Brothers conglomerate played them in Detroit,

Kayes' bio on Wiki does not credit her with the songs in question.

Kaye plays with a pick and strikes the string near the bridge.
Jamerson plays with his fingers and strikes the string near the pickup

Kaye's factors lead to a plinky, twangy sound,
while al Jamerson's factors lead to a deep thumpy sound.

Listen to The Beach Boys "Good to My Baby" form Beach Boys today,
you can hear what I am talking about.Kayes sound.
Compare that to the deep Jamerson rumble
of the Supremes "Come See about Me" or "Stop in THE
Name of Love"

Both players used early to mid 60's P Basses
and flat wound strings.

I think there is a small little similarity in parts of the lines for
Shake Me Wake Me (Jamerson)
and Good to My Baby, but a big difference ins sound and style.

BTW, look at all the greats who played on "Good to MY Baby

Hal Blaine - drums
Steve Douglas - tenor saxophone
Al Jardine - backing vocals
Plas Johnson - tenor saxophone
Carol Kaye - bass guitar
Mike Love - lead & backing vocals
Jay Migliori - baritone saxophone
Bill Pitman - guitar
Don Randi - tack piano, organ
Billy Strange - guitar
Ron Swallow - tambourine
Tommy Tedesco - guitar
Julius Wechter - conga drums
Brian Wilson - piano, lead & backing vocals
Carl Wilson - guitar, backing vocals
Dennis Wilson - backing vocals

Jamerson is the greatest electric bassist of all time, in my opinion.

[Shhhh!!!! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Aug 12, 6:57*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:
On Aug 12, 6:17*pm, "Shhhh!!!! I'm Listening to Reason!"



wrote:
On Aug 11, 11:59 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On Aug 12, 12:49 am, "Shhhh!!!! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 11, 10:48 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On Aug 11, 10:44 pm, Jenn wrote:

In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

AS far as Carol Kaye, she claimed that it is her bass playing you hear
on almost all of the Motown stuff usually atrtributed to James
JAmerson.

This is a tough one. *There is very strong evidence that Jamerson played
those sessions. *And some also swear that Carol played on the Motown
sessions that she says she did, Hal Davis (who should know) among them.
Sadly, the record keeping back then was horrible. *Today, one can go to
the Local 47 office and find out exactly who played what in L.A.. since
about 1975 forward.

Carol is a nice person and an amazing musician. *I only played with her
a few times, as she is now effectively retired. *We say howdy at NAMM
each year. *She is, undoubtedly, one of the most heard musicians of all
time, up there with Hal Blaine, Don Randi, Stevie Gadd, the Candoli
brothers, Dick Nash, Howard Roberts, George Roberts, Tommy Tedesco,
Louie Shelton, and a handful of others whose names the vast majority of
music fans have never heard.

Its not reallyn a tough one. On the sessions in question, the Funk
Brothers conglomerate played them in Detroit,

Kayes' bio on Wiki does not credit her with the songs in question..

Kaye plays with a pick and strikes the string near the bridge.
Jamerson plays with his fingers and strikes the string near the pickup

Kaye's factors lead to a plinky, twangy sound,
while al Jamerson's factors lead to a deep thumpy sound.

Listen to The Beach Boys "Good to My Baby" form Beach Boys today,
you can hear what I am talking about.Kayes sound.
Compare that to the deep Jamerson rumble
of the Supremes "Come See about Me" or "Stop in THE
Name of Love"

Both players used early to mid 60's P Basses
and flat wound strings.

I think there is a small little similarity in parts of the lines for
Shake Me Wake Me (Jamerson)
and Good to My Baby, but a big difference ins sound and style.

BTW, look at all the greats who played on "Good to MY Baby

Hal Blaine - drums
Steve Douglas - tenor saxophone
Al Jardine - backing vocals
Plas Johnson - tenor saxophone
Carol Kaye - bass guitar
Mike Love - lead & backing vocals
Jay Migliori - baritone saxophone
Bill Pitman - guitar
Don Randi - tack piano, organ
Billy Strange - guitar
Ron Swallow - tambourine
Tommy Tedesco - guitar
Julius Wechter - conga drums
Brian Wilson - piano, lead & backing vocals
Carl Wilson - guitar, backing vocals
Dennis Wilson - backing vocals

Jamerson is the greatest electric bassist of all time, in my opinion.
Kaye was exceptionally good.

Here is my list!

1 James Jamerson
2 Donald Duck Dunn
3 Jack Bruce
4 JAco PAstorius
5 Jack Cassidy (Jefferson Airplane, Hot Tuna)
6 HArvey Brooks
7. George Porter, Jr. (the Meters)
8 Nathan East (Clapton)
9 Darry Johnson (the Nevile Bros.)
10 Bob Glaub
11 Johnny Gaydon (AlbertCollins)
12 Chuck Rainey
13 Carol Kaye
14 John Doster (BB King, appx 1995-2005)
15 John McVie
16 Stanley Clarke
17 Bill Wyman
18 Lee Sklar

Note, I am not an Entwhistle or McCartney fan.

Tal Wilkenfeld will soon be on that list IMO.-

I had not heard of her
As it happens to be, two days ago I scheduled a recording ffor an
upcoming cable tv
performance of Jeff Beck, and wiki says she is the bassist on that.
the show will be airing in the next week or two, so I will get to see/
hear her play.
thanks

Let me know what you think. IMO she's pretty amazing, especially since
she has been playing bass for just a few years.-

Ok, the Jeff Beck show aired at 11AM today.
I saw aboput 30 minted of the recording so far.
Very impressive, a lot of good characteristiscs in how she plays.
Very musical, great feel. very reliable, Beck can vamp without any
worries abouot
getting back to where the song is.
Extremely nice tone. Very deep.
QUite a good bass she is playing
A Sadowsky, minimum price $2,800 just for a Japanese made model
probably a $6,000 or more USA bass, so it better sound good.
Its amaziong how many boutiques basses I really don't like.
So, it appears that it is made to replicate a 70's jazz bass.
Now, I never heard a jazz bass sound that good, go so deep,
nor have a sweet tone *up the neck (jaco;s did
have a sweet high end, nothing special in the bottom.)
so, I liked her, she has potentail to make my list

the problem is thatmy list is geared towards the kind of music I like,
and whether
the bass player is compelling, that is , do I want to keep listening
to
that player. Beck's style, sort of between rock and fusion, isn't
really my thing.
I put two fusion players on my list, Jaco and Clarke, ony because they
are such great players/
JAco is *much miore compelliung to me than Clarke, so he is higher on
my list.

OK, Tal isn't on my list, YET, but she might well end up there
someday.
there are some notable players I did not put on my list
Entwhistle, Mc Cartney and Noel Redding, fior various reasons.
I aqctually find her playing style a little bit like like Noel
Redding,s, but
with much better tone and feel and a ton more compelling, for me to
want to listen to her,

I sense that Jeff Beck is really happy and comfortable with
her backing him up.

Bittom line:
tal is making music, she contributes greatly to giving the song
its character. She doesn't fight the *music, or detract form it, nor
is she a hidden mechanical cog. She adds to the music.
Well done.

Only playing a few years? I would guess that she is
ar eal music lover and has spent a lot of time listening to music,
to know what it is supposed to sound like and feel like.
She probably has great ears. Great ears are better than
great hands.

Wilkenfeld began playing guitar at age 14. Two years later, at the age
of 16, she dropped out of high school, saying that "it just wasn't
going to work for me",[1] and emigrated to the United States. Upon
arrival, she studied electric guitar, but within the year made the
switch to electric bass[2] at the age of 17.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tal_Wilkenfeld

She was born in 1986 which would make her 24-25 and playing bass for
about 7-8 years. I think that's really remarkable. I hope she doesn't
"pull a Clapton" and stop growing musically. If she keeps pushing
there will be even greater things ahead for her.

[Clyde Slick]

On Aug 12, 9:53*pm, "Shhhh!!!! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Aug 12, 6:57*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:





On Aug 12, 6:17*pm, "Shhhh!!!! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 11, 11:59 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On Aug 12, 12:49 am, "Shhhh!!!! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 11, 10:48 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On Aug 11, 10:44 pm, Jenn wrote:

In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

AS far as Carol Kaye, she claimed that it is her bass playing you hear
on almost all of the Motown stuff usually atrtributed to James
JAmerson.

This is a tough one. *There is very strong evidence that Jamerson played
those sessions. *And some also swear that Carol played on the Motown
sessions that she says she did, Hal Davis (who should know) among them.
Sadly, the record keeping back then was horrible. *Today, one can go to
the Local 47 office and find out exactly who played what in L..A. since
about 1975 forward.

Carol is a nice person and an amazing musician. *I only played with her
a few times, as she is now effectively retired. *We say howdy at NAMM
each year. *She is, undoubtedly, one of the most heard musicians of all
time, up there with Hal Blaine, Don Randi, Stevie Gadd, the Candoli
brothers, Dick Nash, Howard Roberts, George Roberts, Tommy Tedesco,
Louie Shelton, and a handful of others whose names the vast majority of
music fans have never heard.

Its not reallyn a tough one. On the sessions in question, the Funk
Brothers conglomerate played them in Detroit,

Kayes' bio on Wiki does not credit her with the songs in question.

Kaye plays with a pick and strikes the string near the bridge.
Jamerson plays with his fingers and strikes the string near the pickup

Kaye's factors lead to a plinky, twangy sound,
while al Jamerson's factors lead to a deep thumpy sound.

Listen to The Beach Boys "Good to My Baby" form Beach Boys today,
you can hear what I am talking about.Kayes sound.
Compare that to the deep Jamerson rumble
of the Supremes "Come See about Me" or "Stop in THE
Name of Love"

Both players used early to mid 60's P Basses
and flat wound strings.

I think there is a small little similarity in parts of the lines for
Shake Me Wake Me (Jamerson)
and Good to My Baby, but a big difference ins sound and style.

BTW, look at all the greats who played on "Good to MY Baby

Hal Blaine - drums
Steve Douglas - tenor saxophone
Al Jardine - backing vocals
Plas Johnson - tenor saxophone
Carol Kaye - bass guitar
Mike Love - lead & backing vocals
Jay Migliori - baritone saxophone
Bill Pitman - guitar
Don Randi - tack piano, organ
Billy Strange - guitar
Ron Swallow - tambourine
Tommy Tedesco - guitar
Julius Wechter - conga drums
Brian Wilson - piano, lead & backing vocals
Carl Wilson - guitar, backing vocals
Dennis Wilson - backing vocals

Jamerson is the greatest electric bassist of all time, in my opinion.
Kaye was exceptionally good.

Here is my list!

1 James Jamerson
2 Donald Duck Dunn
3 Jack Bruce
4 JAco PAstorius
5 Jack Cassidy (Jefferson Airplane, Hot Tuna)
6 HArvey Brooks
7. George Porter, Jr. (the Meters)
8 Nathan East (Clapton)
9 Darry Johnson (the Nevile Bros.)
10 Bob Glaub
11 Johnny Gaydon (AlbertCollins)
12 Chuck Rainey
13 Carol Kaye
14 John Doster (BB King, appx 1995-2005)
15 John McVie
16 Stanley Clarke
17 Bill Wyman
18 Lee Sklar

Note, I am not an Entwhistle or McCartney fan.

Tal Wilkenfeld will soon be on that list IMO.-

I had not heard of her
As it happens to be, two days ago I scheduled a recording ffor an
upcoming cable tv
performance of Jeff Beck, and wiki says she is the bassist on that.
the show will be airing in the next week or two, so I will get to see/
hear her play.
thanks

Let me know what you think. IMO she's pretty amazing, especially since
she has been playing bass for just a few years.-

Ok, the Jeff Beck show aired at 11AM today.
I saw aboput 30 minted of the recording so far.
Very impressive, a lot of good characteristiscs in how she plays.
Very musical, great feel. very reliable, Beck can vamp without any
worries abouot
getting back to where the song is.
Extremely nice tone. Very deep.
QUite a good bass she is playing
A Sadowsky, minimum price $2,800 just for a Japanese made model
probably a $6,000 or more USA bass, so it better sound good.
Its amaziong how many boutiques basses I really don't like.
So, it appears that it is made to replicate a 70's jazz bass.
Now, I never heard a jazz bass sound that good, go so deep,
nor have a sweet tone *up the neck (jaco;s did
have a sweet high end, nothing special in the bottom.)
so, I liked her, she has potentail to make my list

the problem is thatmy list is geared towards the kind of music I like,
and whether
the bass player is compelling, that is , do I want to keep listening
to
that player. Beck's style, sort of between rock and fusion, isn't
really my thing.
I put two fusion players on my list, Jaco and Clarke, ony because they
are such great players/
JAco is *much miore compelliung to me than Clarke, so he is higher on
my list.

OK, Tal isn't on my list, YET, but she might well end up there
someday.
there are some notable players I did not put on my list
Entwhistle, Mc Cartney and Noel Redding, fior various reasons.
I aqctually find her playing style a little bit like like Noel
Redding,s, but
with much better tone and feel and a ton more compelling, for me to
want to listen to her,

I sense that Jeff Beck is really happy and comfortable with
her backing him up.

Bittom line:
tal is making music, she contributes greatly to giving the song
its character. She doesn't fight the *music, or detract form it, nor
is she a hidden mechanical cog. She adds to the music.
Well done.

Only playing a few years? I would guess that she is
ar eal music lover and has spent a lot of time listening to music,
to know what it is supposed to sound like and feel like.
She probably has great ears. Great ears are better than
great hands.

Wilkenfeld began playing guitar at age 14. Two years later, at the age
of 16, she dropped out of high school, saying that "it just wasn't
going to work for me",[1] and emigrated to the United States. Upon
arrival, she studied electric guitar, but within the year made the
switch to electric bass[2] at the age of 17.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tal_Wilkenfeld

She was born in 1986 which would make her 24-25 and playing bass for
about 7-8 years. I think that's really remarkable. I hope she doesn't
"pull a Clapton" and stop growing musically. If she keeps pushing
there will be even greater things ahead for her.-

I wouldn't be so hard on Clapton, most guitar players are pretty much
set
early on in their careers. I don;t think Page, Trower, Beck, Taylor
have grown
or changed all that much since past the 70's.

LOL! those are all British players, is that staid complacency a
British thing?

Tal is very nice the way she is, I would hope whatever growth she
exhibits
will not be of her ego. Keep playing the music, bass is not a solo
intrument.
I hope she dopesn't go off into incessant self indulgent solo land.
Although Jaco was an exception, he was so musical and expressive

Bass is relatively simple.
But waht i would hope to see is waht she can do with a fretless, which
opens
things up for her.

[Bret L]

On Aug 12, 6:57*pm, Clyde Slick

Ok, the Jeff Beck show aired at 11AM today.
I saw aboput 30 minted of the recording so far.
Very impressive, a lot of good characteristiscs in how she plays.
Very musical, great feel. very reliable, Beck can vamp without any
worries abouot
getting back to where the song is.
Extremely nice tone. Very deep.
QUite a good bass she is playing
A Sadowsky, minimum price $2,800 just for a Japanese made model
probably a $6,000 or more USA bass, so it better sound good.
Its amaziong how many boutiques basses I really don't like.
So, it appears that it is made to replicate a 70's jazz bass.
Now, I never heard a jazz bass sound that good, go so deep,
nor have a sweet tone *up the neck (jaco;s did
have a sweet high end, nothing special in the bottom.)
so, I liked her, she has potentail to make my list

Instrument buyers are gullibards.

Sadowsky basses and guitars are built out of customiized CNC-house
commodity (i.e. Fender spec) necks and bodies. I don't think they even
do their own finish work, only assembly, fret dress and so forth. IOW
you might as well buy Warmoth and put it together yourself, havng a
pro do a final setup.

[Clyde Slick]

On Aug 13, 11:18*am, Bret L wrote:
On Aug 12, 6:57*pm, Clyde Slick





Ok, the Jeff Beck show aired at 11AM today.
I saw aboput 30 minted of the recording so far.
Very impressive, a lot of good characteristiscs in how she plays.
Very musical, great feel. very reliable, Beck can vamp without any
worries abouot
getting back to where the song is.
Extremely nice tone. Very deep.
QUite a good bass she is playing
A Sadowsky, minimum price $2,800 just for a Japanese made model
probably a $6,000 or more USA bass, so it better sound good.
Its amaziong how many boutiques basses I really don't like.
So, it appears that it is made to replicate a 70's jazz bass.
Now, I never heard a jazz bass sound that good, go so deep,
nor have a sweet tone *up the neck (jaco;s did
have a sweet high end, nothing special in the bottom.)
so, I liked her, she has potentail to make my list

*Instrument buyers are gullibards.

*Sadowsky basses and guitars are built out of customiized CNC-house
commodity (i.e. Fender spec) necks and bodies. I don't think they even
do their own finish work, only assembly, fret dress and so forth. IOW
you might as well buy Warmoth and put it together yourself, havng a
pro do a final setup.- Hide quoted text -



I am not a craftsman, nor do I own tools, but I had
had two different craftsmeneach put together a finished
fretless to my specs, each one a little different,'
using Warmoth/Allparts/other bodies and necks
with specified hardware, pickups and finsihes.
Going all-out to produce something like, but not exctly,a Sadowsky,
(they have proprietary unknown origin
pickups) would be only about $1,200,
having someone else do it, compared to the 6 thousand
dollars for a US Sadowsky.

But it is a really nice bass and it can be admired.