[Arny Krueger]

"Scott" wrote in message

On Aug 2, 6:10=A0am, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Scott" wrote in message



Eccentric records only introduce wow, not flutter. And
yes it is audible depending on the severity.

Yes. However another irreducable problem - the
non-flatness of the vinyl causes FM distortion with high
enough frequency content to qualify as flutter.

There there is the inherent FM distortion due to bass
modulation and tone arms that are not linear tracking.

But IME wiht most LPs it is not an issue and would only
be noticable to those who, for whatever reason, are
very very
sensitive to that sepcific problem.

We hear this from people who favor vinyl all the time.

This suggests to me
that there must be some kind of highly selective hearing
disorder that causes people to have substandard levels
of sensitivity to FM distoriton.

It would be interesting to put your ability to the test
under blind conditions to hear all those nasty
distortions on a real high end player with a quality LP.

At this point you have admitted that you will only accept experiences
obtained on your personal audio system with recordings from your personal
collection.

For very obvious reasons, I have no interest in proceeding any further.

[Audio Empire]

On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 07:20:27 -0700, Arny Krueger wrote
(in article ):

"Scott" wrote in message

On Aug 2, 6:10=A0am, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Scott" wrote in message



Eccentric records only introduce wow, not flutter. And
yes it is audible depending on the severity.

Yes. However another irreducable problem - the
non-flatness of the vinyl causes FM distortion with high
enough frequency content to qualify as flutter.

There there is the inherent FM distortion due to bass
modulation and tone arms that are not linear tracking.

But IME wiht most LPs it is not an issue and would only
be noticable to those who, for whatever reason, are
very very
sensitive to that sepcific problem.

We hear this from people who favor vinyl all the time.

This suggests to me
that there must be some kind of highly selective hearing
disorder that causes people to have substandard levels
of sensitivity to FM distoriton.

It would be interesting to put your ability to the test
under blind conditions to hear all those nasty
distortions on a real high end player with a quality LP.

At this point you have admitted that you will only accept experiences
obtained on your personal audio system with recordings from your personal
collection.

For very obvious reasons, I have no interest in proceeding any further.



I believe that if you read his words more carefully, you will see that he was
merely using his playback system as an example because he knows it well. I
can say the same. Listen to MY records on MY playback system and you won't
find these artifacts that you insist are endemic to all LP playback either.
I'm afraid that your prejudice in this matter has poisoned the whole well.

If all vinyl playback were as you characterize it, no one would ever listen
to records. Obviously, the picture is not as bad as you paint it. It couldn't
be and still be considered a viable market, even for a niche one.