[marksuley4]

You use your phone system (also known as a PBX) every day, so you already know that phone systems are responsible for handling your call control and managing your connection to your telephone service provider. What you might not be familiar with is VoIP.

VoIP is short for Voice over Internet Protocol. VoIP is a way to make calls across your Local Area Network (LAN) and or Wide Area Network (WAN). The technology behind VoIP converts your analog voice into digital packets which are then sent across a network using the Internet Protocol (IP) to their end destination. VoIP is most commonly associated with making calls across the Internet.

As you’ve probably guessed, a VoIP phone system gets connected to your LAN. It uses your LAN as the backbone of the system – connecting your VoIP phones and your VoIP service provider to the VoIP PBX. That makes a VoIP phone system a phone system that uses IP technology to handle your call control and manage your connection to the Wide Area Network over which your VoIP service comes.

Even though a VoIP phone system uses VoIP and is connected to your LAN most systems can connect directly to the Publicly Switched Telephone Network (PSTN). This gives you the ability to use both VoIP and the PSTN for your calling.

If your head is spinning right now, don’t worry. Reading about the differences between your existing PBX and a VoIP phone system should help.

[geoff]

marksuley4 wrote:
You use your phone system (also known as a PBX) every day, so you
already know that phone systems are responsible for handling your call
control and managing your connection to your telephone service
provider. What you might not be familiar with is VoIP.

VoIP is short for Voice over Internet Protocol. VoIP is a way to make
calls across your Local Area Network (LAN) and or Wide Area Network
(WAN).

What is it ? It is a technology that can easily be very unreliable and
frought with complications and problems.


geoff

[Scott Dorsey]

geoff wrote:
marksuley4 wrote:
You use your phone system (also known as a PBX) every day, so you
already know that phone systems are responsible for handling your call
control and managing your connection to your telephone service
provider. What you might not be familiar with is VoIP.

VoIP is short for Voice over Internet Protocol. VoIP is a way to make
calls across your Local Area Network (LAN) and or Wide Area Network
(WAN).

What is it ? It is a technology that can easily be very unreliable and
frought with complications and problems.

But that is the future! Today we _must_ replace reliable technologies with
more profitable less reliable ones. Why do you think wireless is so popular?
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Les Cargill[_3_]]

Scott Dorsey wrote:
wrote:
marksuley4 wrote:
You use your phone system (also known as a PBX) every day, so you
already know that phone systems are responsible for handling your call
control and managing your connection to your telephone service
provider. What you might not be familiar with is VoIP.

VoIP is short for Voice over Internet Protocol. VoIP is a way to make
calls across your Local Area Network (LAN) and or Wide Area Network
(WAN).

What is it ? It is a technology that can easily be very unreliable and
frought with complications and problems.

But that is the future! Today we _must_ replace reliable technologies with
more profitable

??? No, not so much.

less reliable ones. Why do you think wireless is so popular?
--scott


VoIP works good. It's more prone to outages, but it's less
than half the price of a landline. Certain instances of it
are way less than half the price. And you don't need a hybrid
any more for certain Skype type Voip things - it just
terminates to a soundcard.

--
Les Cargill

[Arny Krueger]

"geoff" wrote in message

marksuley4 wrote:
You use your phone system (also known as a PBX) every
day, so you already know that phone systems are
responsible for handling your call control and managing
your connection to your telephone service provider. What
you might not be familiar with is VoIP.

VoIP is short for Voice over Internet Protocol. VoIP is
a way to make calls across your Local Area Network (LAN)
and or Wide Area Network (WAN).

What is it ? It is a technology that can easily be very
unreliable and frought with complications and problems.

In many parts of the U.S. an implementation of VOIP is called Comcast
Digital Voice.

Ditto for "Vonage" and "Magic Jack".

The reliability of Voip is very implementation-dependent. It's not about
the basic characteristics of the technology, it is about who runs and
maintains it.

[Richard Crowley]

"Scott Dorsey" wrote ...
geoff wrote:
marksuley4 wrote:
You use your phone system (also known as a PBX) every day, so you
already know that phone systems are responsible for handling your call
control and managing your connection to your telephone service
provider. What you might not be familiar with is VoIP.

VoIP is short for Voice over Internet Protocol. VoIP is a way to make
calls across your Local Area Network (LAN) and or Wide Area Network
(WAN).

What is it ? It is a technology that can easily be very unreliable and
frought with complications and problems.

But that is the future! Today we _must_ replace reliable technologies
with
more profitable less reliable ones. Why do you think wireless is so
popular?

We've all been using VOIP for several decades, but it was the "phone
company" that did the VOIP, not the end-user customer.

[Scott Dorsey]

Les Cargill wrote:

VoIP works good. It's more prone to outages, but it's less
than half the price of a landline. Certain instances of it
are way less than half the price. And you don't need a hybrid
any more for certain Skype type Voip things - it just
terminates to a soundcard.

"more prone to outages" and "works good" somehow seem to be in conflict,
especially with something safety-related like telephone service.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

Richard Crowley wrote:

We've all been using VOIP for several decades, but it was the "phone
company" that did the VOIP, not the end-user customer.

Just because it's digital doesn't mean it's VoIP. The digital service
that the phone company has been using for many decades is still circuit-
switched.

Packet-switched systems give you more for the money but more chances for
things to go wrong too.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Les Cargill[_3_]]

Scott Dorsey wrote:
Les wrote:

VoIP works good. It's more prone to outages, but it's less
than half the price of a landline. Certain instances of it
are way less than half the price. And you don't need a hybrid
any more for certain Skype type Voip things - it just
terminates to a soundcard.

"more prone to outages" and "works good" somehow seem to be in conflict,

It's a caveat. We have a builtin UPS in the cable modem/VoIP gateway
combo. Haven't tested it. Obviously, if the service provider is out,
it's out. 911 works on the cell phones, so...

especially with something safety-related like telephone service.
--scott

--
Les Cargill

[Les Cargill[_3_]]

Richard Crowley wrote:
"Scott Dorsey" wrote ...
geoff wrote:
marksuley4 wrote:
You use your phone system (also known as a PBX) every day, so you
already know that phone systems are responsible for handling your call
control and managing your connection to your telephone service
provider. What you might not be familiar with is VoIP.

VoIP is short for Voice over Internet Protocol. VoIP is a way to make
calls across your Local Area Network (LAN) and or Wide Area Network
(WAN).

What is it ? It is a technology that can easily be very unreliable and
frought with complications and problems.

But that is the future! Today we _must_ replace reliable technologies
with
more profitable less reliable ones. Why do you think wireless is so
popular?

We've all been using VOIP for several decades, but it was the "phone
company" that did the VOIP, not the end-user customer.


It's more likely an ATM switch, although this is changing. ATM
service is indistinguishable from circuit switched with respect
to service quality and reliability.

--
Les Cargill

[[email protected]]

On 2010-05-27 (ScottDorsey) said:
geoff wrote:
make calls across your Local Area Network (LAN) and or Wide Area
Network (WAN).
What is it ? It is a technology that can easily be very
unreliable and frought with complications and problems.
But that is the future! Today we _must_ replace reliable
technologies with more profitable less reliable ones. Why do you
think wireless is so popular? --scott
Because we can sell folks more fixes for what shouldn't have
been replaced in the first place, more $$$ spent for more
unreliable crap. Besides, VOIp just sounds like **** far
too often!!!

These days because the new instant hams are too damned lazy
to really learn anything we get them telling us Echolink and
other VoIp stuff is as good as real radio. yah right.

We're just supposed to be glad to plunk down more money for
unreliable crap though. I still discourage elderly members
of my family every time somebody tells them they should lose
their regular pots landline service. I tell them that it
just might save a life.

REgular pots service is far more robust than piggybacked
technologies such as VoIp or even your cellular phone
system. WHere phone lines and some switching systems are
buried it might even survive the big emp.



Richard webb,

replace anything before at with elspider
Remote audio in the Memphis, Tn. area: see www.gatasound.com



Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On 27 May 2010 09:57:03 -0400, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

geoff wrote:
marksuley4 wrote:
You use your phone system (also known as a PBX) every day, so you
already know that phone systems are responsible for handling your call
control and managing your connection to your telephone service
provider. What you might not be familiar with is VoIP.

VoIP is short for Voice over Internet Protocol. VoIP is a way to make
calls across your Local Area Network (LAN) and or Wide Area Network
(WAN).

What is it ? It is a technology that can easily be very unreliable and
frought with complications and problems.

But that is the future! Today we _must_ replace reliable technologies with
more profitable less reliable ones. Why do you think wireless is so popular?
--scott

The entire British phone network is now Voip. It still has switched
lines as a matter of legacy, but most new businesses buy a PABX with a
Voip connection that meshes straight into the BT backhaul.

d

[Scott Dorsey]

Les Cargill wrote:
It's more likely an ATM switch, although this is changing. ATM
service is indistinguishable from circuit switched with respect
to service quality and reliability.

ATM is definitely a cool thing and does allow fixed bandwidth connections
to be made (which effectively is kind of circuit-switched). It actually
scales well down to the desktop too, though it never seems to have caught
on down there. I'd take an ATM/SONET local loop over PPPOE any time,
and it would FINALLY means we could dump the use of ISDN for medium quality
audio circuits.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Richard Webb[_3_]]

Scott Dorsey writes:

VoIP works good. It's more prone to outages, but it's less
than half the price of a landline. Certain instances of it
are way less than half the price. And you don't need a hybrid
any more for certain Skype type Voip things - it just
terminates to a soundcard.

"more prone to outages" and "works good" somehow seem to be in
conflict, especially with something safety-related like telephone
service.
THat's always been the insane part of it imho. YOur cell
can be overwhelmed or fail easy, and yet you're being told
to trade the reliability of circuit switched plain old
telephone line connections for the latest VoIp flavor of the week piggybacked on your internet connection.
Just waht grandma needs when she's having a stroke, the
router in her house to give her the blue screen and crump,
taking away her phone.

I've told my parents not just that they should keep their
landline, but they should also keep a plain telephone, one
that doesn't require any additional power than that provided by the telephone system to operate, somewhere accessible in
the main part of the house.
They were looking at doing this VoIp stuff via their cable
provider last year but I argued them out of it.

I told them the usual "the life you save might be your own."

Regards,
Richard
.... Remote audio in the southland: See www.gatasound.com
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