[thadjanus]

I'm working with a small setup to record song ideas and demo them for
other musicians. the recorder itself (oss br864) has no phantom power.
What I have been doing is plugging a condensor mic into a small mixer
with phantom and using the channel direct out to run it to the
recorder. Mostly for acoustic guitar. The direct out from the mixer
puts out +4 and the recorder is at -10. The signal is rather hot and
the preamp can barely be turned up without the recorder signal
clipping. One option on the mixer is an rca out for the stereo mix
that is a -10db. if I pan the channel to the right and use the right
rca out to the recorder it seems to be more compatible but it brings
into play the channel fader. I guess my question is what would be a
better option? less preamp with the +4 direct out or a more with the
-10 out. Also there is a preamp on the recorder(non phantom) itself
should I leave this turned down completely? I am new to these little
digital recorders...used to reels etc etc. But the ability to work
fast has sold me on them. Just am having a bit of trouble with levels.
Any help appreciated,
Janus

[Scott Dorsey]

In article ,
thadjanus wrote:
I'm working with a small setup to record song ideas and demo them for
other musicians. the recorder itself (oss br864) has no phantom power.
What I have been doing is plugging a condensor mic into a small mixer
with phantom and using the channel direct out to run it to the
recorder. Mostly for acoustic guitar. The direct out from the mixer
puts out +4 and the recorder is at -10. The signal is rather hot and
the preamp can barely be turned up without the recorder signal
clipping.

So stick a 20 dB pad in-between them. Or more... maybe 40 dB if you are
plugging a line signal of some kind into a mike input.

One option on the mixer is an rca out for the stereo mix
that is a -10db. if I pan the channel to the right and use the right
rca out to the recorder it seems to be more compatible but it brings
into play the channel fader. I guess my question is what would be a
better option? less preamp with the +4 direct out or a more with the
-10 out.

Well, ideally you want to plug into the thing after the preamp, but if
you have only a mike level input, use a pad.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[thadjanus]

Thanks I will look into them. Maybe one of the inline ones?

[Scott Dorsey]

In article ,
thadjanus wrote:
Thanks I will look into them. Maybe one of the inline ones?

That's fine. Shure and Audio-Technica make switchable ones, or you can make
your own.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[thadjanus]

On May 21, 4:32*pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
In article ,

thadjanus wrote:
Thanks I will look into them. Maybe one of the inline ones?

That's fine. *Shure and Audio-Technica make switchable ones, or you can make
your own.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. *C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis.

Would you happen to have a link handy with a schematic for one?

[Scott Dorsey]

thadjanus wrote:

Would you happen to have a link handy with a schematic for one?


2 -------/\/\/\/\/\--------+---------- 2
R1 |
\
INPUT R3 / OUTPUT
\
|
2 -------/\/\/\/\/\--------+---------- 2
R2

R1 and R2: 430 ohm

Value of R3:
15 dB: 180 ohms
20 dB: 95 ohms
25 dB: 52 ohms
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[thadjanus]

On May 21, 4:52*pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
thadjanus wrote:

Would you happen to have a link handy with a schematic for one?

*2 -------/\/\/\/\/\--------+---------- 2
* * * * * * *R1 * * * * * * |
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * \
INPUT * * * * * * * * * R3 */ * * * * OUTPUT
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * \
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * |
*2 -------/\/\/\/\/\--------+---------- 2
* * * * * * *R2

R1 and R2: 430 ohm

Value of R3:
* 15 dB: 180 ohms
* 20 dB: 95 ohms
* 25 dB: 52 ohms
--
"C'est un Nagra. *C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Thanks! I really appreciate the help

[Mike Rivers]

thadjanus wrote:
I'm working with a small setup to record song ideas and demo them for
other musicians. the recorder itself (oss br864) has no phantom power.
What I have been doing is plugging a condensor mic into a small mixer
with phantom and using the channel direct out to run it to the
recorder. Mostly for acoustic guitar. The direct out from the mixer
puts out +4 and the recorder is at -10. The signal is rather hot and
the preamp can barely be turned up without the recorder signal
clipping.

Make it easy on yourself. Use the Main outputs of the mixer,
set the preamp gain on the mixer so that you have adequate
headroom and the mic preamp won't clip. Then set the input
gain control on the recorder (assuming it has one, it
probably does) about 3/4 of the way up, and use the Main
output fader on the mixer to set the level going to the
recorder.

There may be a way to get a direct output from the preamp on
the mixer (you didn't say what that was) that might give you
a tad less noise and distortion, but there are enough other
things getting in the way of an abolutely pristine signal path.


--
"Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be
operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although
it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge
of audio." - John Watkinson

[Nono]

On 22 mei, 01:36, Mike Rivers wrote:
thadjanus wrote:
I'm working with a small setup to record song ideas and demo them for
other musicians. the recorder itself (oss br864) has no phantom power.
What I have been doing is plugging a condensor mic into a small mixer
with phantom and using the channel direct out to run it to the
recorder. Mostly for acoustic guitar. The direct out from the mixer
puts out +4 and the recorder is at -10. The signal is rather hot and
the preamp can barely be turned up without the recorder signal
clipping.

Make it easy on yourself. Use the Main outputs of the mixer,
set the preamp gain on the mixer so that you have adequate
headroom and the mic preamp won't clip. Then set the input
gain control on the recorder (assuming it has one, it
probably does) about 3/4 of the way up, and use the Main
output fader on the mixer to set the level going to the
recorder.

There may be a way to get a direct output from the preamp on
the mixer (you didn't say what that was) that might give you
a tad less noise and distortion, but there are enough other
things getting in the way of an abolutely pristine signal path.

--
"Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be
operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although
it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge
of audio." - John Watkinson

Yes, I would just use one main out channel to feed the recorder and,
if needed, pan all other channels, including the recorder foldback(s),
to the opposite side for a monitor mix while tracking.
By the way, you did not mention what the mixer is that you're using.

Regards,
Norman.

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Bwian the nutless punk wrote:
On 5/21/10 8:53 PM, in article , "Scott Dorsey"
wrote:

So stick a 20 dB pad in-between them. Or more... maybe 40 dB if you are
plugging a line signal of some kind into a mike input.

One option on the mixer is an rca out for the stereo mix
that is a -10db. if I pan the channel to the right and use the right
rca out to the recorder it seems to be more compatible but it brings
into play the channel fader. I guess my question is what would be a
better option? less preamp with the +4 direct out or a more with the
-10 out.
Well, ideally you want to plug into the thing after the preamp, but if
you have only a mike level input, use a pad.

Nothing says "amateur" like sticking pads on mics. They change the phase
characteristic of the microphone - most people can't hear the difference,
but I sure can.

If you want to ask amateur questions, don't pester us professionals here.

Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511

[neats]

Hey DJ,

I guess i'm going to be a bit unpopular and state the obvious - use a
dynamic. All this messing about will give you a sub standard product.
Seriously, for what you're doing it doesn't matter.

[thadjanus]

On May 22, 6:47*pm, neats wrote:
Hey DJ,

I guess i'm going to be a bit unpopular and state the obvious - use a
dynamic. *All this messing about will give you a sub standard product.
Seriously, for what you're doing it doesn't matter.

Sorry it is a yamaha mg10/2. For the record I am a total amatuer. I
use this setup to get my ideas down for overdubs and harmonies. That
way when I go to a professional studio I don't waste anybodys
time...or money. It does matter a bit. It helps to realize the
potential of parts and arrangements when there is more nuance(however
limited) to it. I think this question should have been asked somewhere
else. Sorry if I offended anybody..I'm not fooling myself thinking I
can get pro results just a simple question about level matching..
Thanks for all the responses,
Janus

[hank alrich]

thadjanus wrote:

On May 22, 6:47 pm, neats wrote:
Hey DJ,

I guess i'm going to be a bit unpopular and state the obvious - use a
dynamic. All this messing about will give you a sub standard product.
Seriously, for what you're doing it doesn't matter.

Sorry it is a yamaha mg10/2. For the record I am a total amatuer. I
use this setup to get my ideas down for overdubs and harmonies. That
way when I go to a professional studio I don't waste anybodys
time...or money. It does matter a bit. It helps to realize the
potential of parts and arrangements when there is more nuance(however
limited) to it. I think this question should have been asked somewhere
else. Sorry if I offended anybody..

Firstly, I don't think anyone has been offended, and secondly, this
should be a fine place for such a question.

I'm not fooling myself thinking I
can get pro results just a simple question about level matching..
Thanks for all the responses,
Janus

Audio-Technica, and others, offer simple outboard phantom power
supplies, at reasonable cost. If you want to use a condensor mic, and I
can think of several reasons that you might want to including that mic
preamps on lots of inexpensive mixers work much better with those than
with dynamic mics, get an outboard phantom supply and get back to making
music.

http://www.pssl.com/Audio-Technica?s...-Phantom-Power


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On 2010-05-25 (hankalrich) said:
Audio-Technica, and others, offer simple outboard phantom power
supplies, at reasonable cost. If you want to use a condensor mic,
and I can think of several reasons that you might want to including
that mic preamps on lots of inexpensive mixers work much better
with those than with dynamic mics, get an outboard phantom supply
and get back to making music.
I would agree with this, and was going to suggest it as well
then got sidetracked doing other things. THis allows you to
forget the cheap mixer in the chain, and use it for gigging
or something else. Cleaner overall signal path, no pads
needed and no further fuss.

http://www.pssl.




Richard webb,

replace anything before at with elspider
Remote audio in the Memphis, Tn. area: see www.gatasound.com

[thadjanus]

On May 26, 10:19*am, wrote:
On 2010-05-25 (hankalrich) said:
* *Audio-Technica, and others, offer simple outboard phantom power
* *supplies, at reasonable cost. If you want to use a condensor mic,
* *and I can think of several reasons that you might want to including
* *that mic preamps on lots of inexpensive mixers work much better
* *with those than with dynamic mics, get an outboard phantom supply
* *and get back to making music.
I would agree with this, and was going to suggest it as well
then got sidetracked doing other things. *THis allows you to
forget the cheap mixer in the chain, and use it for gigging
or something else. *Cleaner overall signal path, no pads
needed and no further fuss.

* *http://www.pssl.

Richard webb,

replace anything before at with elspider
Remote audio in the Memphis, Tn. area: seewww.gatasound.com

well that is the perfect solution ..never thought of it. Thanks all!
Janus