[Scott Dorsey]

It's been a while since the show, but the report is finally out...

http://positive-feedback.com/Issue47/aes.htm
http://positive-feedback.com/Issue47/aes2.htm
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[hank alrich]

Scott Dorsey wrote:

It's been a while since the show, but the report is finally out...

http://positive-feedback.com/Issue47/aes.htm
http://positive-feedback.com/Issue47/aes2.htm
--scott

Thanks, Scott. tha's good reading.

--
shut up and play your guitar
http://hankalrich.com/
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/hsadharma
http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'slistening.html

[Keith W. Blackwell]

hank alrich wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote:

It's been a while since the show, but the report is finally out...

http://positive-feedback.com/Issue47/aes.htm
http://positive-feedback.com/Issue47/aes2.htm
--scott

Thanks, Scott. tha's good reading.


I concur. About the vapor/laser mic, though, is this at all
like the adibiatic-pressure-measuring laser mic that Stephen
Paul was hinting at on his forum a few years ago? It was all
theory, but if someone could pull it off, it seemed to have
a lot of promise as an uncolored transducer. But it kind of
reminds me of those speaker folks using ultrasonic distortion
to create directional sound -- an idea that sounds good in
theory, but they just couldn't get enough of what mattered
from it in practice (but then, neither topic is something I
know much about).

--
Keith W. Blackwell
(my employer has nothing to do with this)

[Mike Cleaver]

On May 10, 2:05*pm, "Keith W. Blackwell"
wrote:
hank alrich wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote:

It's been a while since the show, but the report is finally out...

http://positive-feedback.com/Issue47/aes.htm
http://positive-feedback.com/Issue47/aes2.htm
--scott

Thanks, Scott. tha's good reading.

I concur. *About the vapor/laser mic, though, is this at all
like the adibiatic-pressure-measuring laser mic that Stephen
Paul was hinting at on his forum a few years ago? *It was all
theory, but if someone could pull it off, it seemed to have
a lot of promise as an uncolored transducer. *But it kind of
reminds me of those speaker folks using ultrasonic distortion
to create directional sound -- an idea that sounds good in
theory, but they just couldn't get enough of what mattered
from it in practice (but then, neither topic is something I
know much about).

--
Keith W. Blackwell
(my employer has nothing to do with this)

Great stuff as usual Scott!
Thanks for doing this.

[George's Pro Sound Co.]

"hank alrich" wrote in message
...
Scott Dorsey wrote:

It's been a while since the show, but the report is finally out...

http://positive-feedback.com/Issue47/aes.htm
http://positive-feedback.com/Issue47/aes2.htm
--scott

Thanks you, I have missed AES a couple of times now and this report was well
worth the read
George

[Scott Dorsey]

George's Pro Sound Co. wrote:

http://positive-feedback.com/Issue47/aes.htm
http://positive-feedback.com/Issue47/aes2.htm

Thanks you, I have missed AES a couple of times now and this report was well
worth the read

The report does not include details on top-notch Straits Chinese food at
Sanur restaurant which is always the best part of the show.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

Keith W. Blackwell wrote:

I concur. About the vapor/laser mic, though, is this at all
like the adibiatic-pressure-measuring laser mic that Stephen
Paul was hinting at on his forum a few years ago? It was all
theory, but if someone could pull it off, it seemed to have
a lot of promise as an uncolored transducer.

I don't know, but this fellow is just measuring density, and that's
not really very useful.

If you could measure aggregate particle _position_ in 3-space, you
would have a hell of a powerful tool. But just measuring density is
not so useful.

But it kind of
reminds me of those speaker folks using ultrasonic distortion
to create directional sound -- an idea that sounds good in
theory, but they just couldn't get enough of what mattered
from it in practice (but then, neither topic is something I
know much about).

Actually, those things have had some serious applications. It's not cheap
to do, but it can be effective if you need to get sound to a place a great
distance away (such as for rescue work).
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Reinhard Zwirner]

"Keith W. Blackwell" schrieb:

[...]
... But it kind of
reminds me of those speaker folks using ultrasonic distortion
to create directional sound -- an idea that sounds good in
theory, but they just couldn't get enough of what mattered
from it in practice (but then, neither topic is something I
know much about).

What about this?

http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/professional_tour-guide-systems_audiobeam_009859

HTH

Reinhard

[polymod]

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
George's Pro Sound Co. wrote:

http://positive-feedback.com/Issue47/aes.htm
http://positive-feedback.com/Issue47/aes2.htm

Thanks you, I have missed AES a couple of times now and this report was
well
worth the read

The report does not include details on top-notch Straits Chinese food at
Sanur restaurant which is always the best part of the show.

http://www.menupages.com/restaurants/sanur/menu
Mmmmm


Poly

[Keith W. Blackwell]

Reinhard Zwirner wrote:
"Keith W. Blackwell" schrieb:

[...]
... But it kind of
reminds me of those speaker folks using ultrasonic distortion
to create directional sound -- an idea that sounds good in
theory, but they just couldn't get enough of what mattered
from it in practice (but then, neither topic is something I
know much about).

What about this?

http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/professional_tour-guide-systems_audiobeam_009859

Yep, sounds exactly like what I remember some start-up trying
to perfect several years ago. Maybe Senn bought them out.

--
Keith W. Blackwell
(my employer has nothing to do with this)

[Reinhard Zwirner]

"Keith W. Blackwell" schrieb:

Reinhard Zwirner wrote:
[...]
What about this?

http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/professional_tour-guide-systems_audiobeam_009859

Yep, sounds exactly like what I remember some start-up trying
to perfect several years ago. Maybe Senn bought them out.

http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/about_history_1996

Have a look at Y2K ...

Regards

Reinhard

[Arny Krueger]

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message

It's been a while since the show, but the report is
finally out...

http://positive-feedback.com/Issue47/aes.htm
http://positive-feedback.com/Issue47/aes2.htm
--scott

I liked the writing and reporting in general, but I'm depressed by the fact
that so many people seem to be still trying to re-invent the studio monitor
using the same old tired technology.

I'm reminded of the old saw about people who keep doing the same thing over
and over again and expect different results...

[PStamler]

On May 13, 6:05*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

I liked the writing and reporting in general, but I'm depressed by the fact
that so many people seem to be still trying to re-invent the studio monitor
using the same old tired technology.

I'm reminded of the old saw about people who keep doing the same thing over
and over again and expect different results...

There hasn't been a real breakthrough in loudspeaker technology for
decades. The last one I can think of is the Heil AMT tweeter, which is
used in the recent Adam monitors.

There are other technologies besides moving-coil drivers, but they're
not particularly practical for studio use -- large electrostatics
would be difficult to use in a control room, ditto Magneplanars
(although it's rumored that back in the 1970s "Tea for the Tillerman"
was mixed on Maggies). So people rework the old technology.

There are new things to do, though, within the old technology:
improvements in materials that created better drivers, computer design
for better crossovers and more predictable radiation patterns, and
better bracing for cabinets (okay, that's not new, but more people are
paying attention to it).

Peace,
Paul

[Scott Dorsey]

PStamler wrote:
On May 13, 6:05=A0am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

I liked the writing and reporting in general, but I'm depressed by the fa=
ct
that so many people seem to be still trying to re-invent the studio monit=
or
using the same old tired technology.

I'm reminded of the old saw about people who keep doing the same thing ov=
er
and over again and expect different results...

There hasn't been a real breakthrough in loudspeaker technology for
decades. The last one I can think of is the Heil AMT tweeter, which is
used in the recent Adam monitors.

I can think of three of them:

1. The NXT distributed-mode loudspeaker. It doesn't sound very good, but
it _is_ innovative and it _does_ have applications.

2. The ultrasonic loudspeaker systems using beat notes to generate audio
at the intersection of two ultrasonic beams. Again, it doesn't sound
good, but it has applications.

3. The Tymphany piston subwoofer. It actually does sound good.

There are other technologies besides moving-coil drivers, but they're
not particularly practical for studio use -- large electrostatics
would be difficult to use in a control room, ditto Magneplanars
(although it's rumored that back in the 1970s "Tea for the Tillerman"
was mixed on Maggies). So people rework the old technology.

The electrostatic loudspeaker actually predates the conventional
electrodynamic by a couple of years.... they were developed in the early
1920s when the only electrodynamic types were horn-loaded compression drivers.

There are new things to do, though, within the old technology:
improvements in materials that created better drivers, computer design
for better crossovers and more predictable radiation patterns, and
better bracing for cabinets (okay, that's not new, but more people are
paying attention to it).

And the room is still the worst of the problems.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[[email protected]]

On 2010-05-13 said:
snip
electrostatics would be difficult to use in a control room, ditto
Magneplanars (although it's rumored that back in the 1970s "Tea for
the Tillerman" was mixed on Maggies). So people rework the old
technology.
South River in the Des Moines, Iowa area used Mags in the
control room there for awhile back in the early '80's iirc.
HE eventually got a set of the awfultones to go on the
console as well though, but first couple of sessions I
worked with people there I think he just had the mags. That
wasn't a bad sounding control room though. Mixes I got with
its proprietor and I working them weren't too bad, and
translated fairly well anyway, but I found it easier once he
got a set of nfm's as well.

There are new things to do, though, within the old technology:
improvements in materials that created better drivers, computer
design for better crossovers and more predictable radiation
patterns, and better bracing for cabinets (okay, that's not new,
but more people are paying attention to it).
AS they should, but many forget that the speakers are only
part of the equation, what you do with the space you put 'em
in is the make or break here.

South River had another set of mags upstairs in a lounge
area where he'd move the peanut gallery during mixing
sessions, except for me and him. On sessions where I was a
hired gun though and joined the peanut gallery upstairs I
didn't like the mags as well in that room as I did in his
control room.


Regards,




Richard webb,

replace anything before at with elspider
Remote audio in the Memphis, Tn. area: see www.gatasound.com

[Mike Clayton]

Scott Dorsey wrote:

3. The Tymphany piston subwoofer. It actually does sound good.

Had a brief look at the Tymphany web site and found some descriptive
information on the technology, but no information as to manufactured
units. Do you know of any?

Mike

[Scott Dorsey]

Mike Clayton wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote:

3. The Tymphany piston subwoofer. It actually does sound good.

Had a brief look at the Tymphany web site and found some descriptive
information on the technology, but no information as to manufactured
units. Do you know of any?

They're in the Parts Express catalogue at least.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[George's Pro Sound Co.]

"Mike Clayton" wrote in message
...
Scott Dorsey wrote:

3. The Tymphany piston subwoofer. It actually does sound good.

Had a brief look at the Tymphany web site and found some descriptive
information on the technology, but no information as to manufactured
units. Do you know of any?

Mike

the 10 inch sub is listed as discontinued on the web site

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

Scott Dorsey wrote:

It's been a while since the show, but the report is finally out...

http://positive-feedback.com/Issue47/aes.htm
http://positive-feedback.com/Issue47/aes2.htm

Thank you!

--scott

Kind regards

Peter Larsen