[George M. Middius[_4_]]

vinyl anachronist said:

The way I see it is that the guy made a horrible mistake and spent the
rest of his life trying to do good to make up for it. What if everyone
who made a horrible mistake in their life did the same? Would the
world be a better place, or worse?

The mistake being trying to escape justice, right? That was minor compared to
getting behind the wheel while in no shape to drive. Nobody who causes a death
by negligence should be able to get off with just pleading to leaving the
scene. Not that Kennedy was the first panjandrum to get away with murder, nor
the last. But I agree that penitence is the only constructive redemption. By
contrast, Dick Cheney will go to his grave being proud of torturing people.

[vinyl anachronist]

On Aug 26, 10:51�pm, George M. Middius
wrote:
vinyl anachronist said:

The way I see it is that the guy made a horrible mistake and spent the
rest of his life trying to do good to make up for it. What if everyone
who made a horrible mistake in their life did the same? Would the
world be a better place, or worse?

The mistake being trying to escape justice, right? That was minor compared to
getting behind the wheel while in no shape to drive. Nobody who causes a death
by negligence should be able to get off with just pleading to leaving the
scene. Not that Kennedy was the first panjandrum to get away with murder, nor
the last. But I agree that penitence is the only constructive redemption. By
contrast, Dick Cheney will go to his grave being proud of torturing people.

I've never been one to think that Teddy was completely on the level,
but then again he did suffer from a concussion in the accident. During
his trial he said that he would not use that as an excuse, which was
probably a mistake.

I've had two concussions in my life. The first was in a car accident,
and for months afterward I could not recall the accident, and I had
huge memory lapses on a regular basis until I had to see a
neurologist. The second time I walked around in a daze for hours until
someone took me to the hospital. Kennedy's failure to go to
authorities was fairly consistent with the symptoms of a concussion. I
think the judge did take that into consideration (although I do admit
that being a Kennedy was probably a factor as well).

Also, there's still no evidence he had been intoxicated. It was merely
presumed based on his reputation.

[Bret L]

On Aug 27, 12:47 am, vinyl anachronist
wrote:
On Aug 26, 10:41 pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"



wrote:
On Aug 26, 11:45 pm, "GeoSynch" wrote:

Jilly gets silly:

Kennedy entered a "guilty" plea in a Court of law for the charge brought
against him. What else should he have done?

He left her to drown to death, not alerting authorities for hours afterwards,
more concerned with saving his political hide.

We've been through this, Sugar.

He's directly responsible for her death and didn't do anything to try to save
her life while there was still time.

She should have pulled herself up by her bootstraps.

Spin it any way you like, but you and everybody else knows he was responsible
for Mary Jo Kopechne's death.

Where's the personal responsibility, Sugar? If she was alive for two
hours (which I very much doubt) she just sat there? If she had been a
conservative she would've by god made it!

I'm not spinning anything. I'm stating fact. Kennedy went through the
justice system, entered a guilty plea, and abided by what the Court
meted out.

What you're saying is (like any good vigilante) he didn't face *your*
version of justice. And here I thought conservatives were "rule of
law" types! Oooooops!

OK, now apply your 'logic' to dick cheney and bushie. They haven't
faced justice.

Have fun!

The way I see it is that the guy made a horrible mistake and spent the
rest of his life trying to do good to make up for it. What if everyone
who made a horrible mistake in their life did the same? Would the
world be a better place, or worse?

He tried to do good by doing bad? Everything he did was a disaster
or would have been had it passed.

His single most egregious act was Hart-Cellar, and that was three
years BEFORE Chappaquiddick.

If he wanted to atone for Chappaquiddick, he should have stepped down
from the Senate, or not run again.

Remember, the real crime was not simply that he drove off the bridge,
or even that he was drunk as hell when he did it. The real crime was
that he and his handlers failed to make any cogent effort whatsoever
to get help until he sobered up.

Almost every concept and idea he had was rotten to the core. He was a
louse in every aspect of his life. He was continually engaged in
rascally behavior and never was held responsible for any thing he ever
did. He was a fat, drunk, lazy, dishonest bum.

But my real beef isn't so much with him-he was what he was-as with a
system and electorate that put him where he was.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Aug 27, 1:22*am, Bret L wrote:

*But my real beef isn't so much with him-he was what he was-as with a
system and electorate that put him where he was.

How dare you imply that "the will of the people" isn't always in the
best interests of "the people".

2pid will be really REALLY ****ed when he finds out.

[vinyl anachronist]

By the way, Barack just sent me an e-mail about this:

"Marc -- Michelle and I were heartbroken to learn this morning of the
death of our dear friend, Senator Ted Kennedy. For nearly five
decades, virtually every major piece of legislation to advance the
civil rights, health and economic well-being of the American people
bore his name and resulted from his efforts. His ideas and ideals are
stamped on scores of laws and reflected in millions of lives -- in
seniors who know new dignity; in families that know new opportunity;
in children who know education's promise; and in all who can pursue
their dream in an America that is more equal and more just, including
me. In the United States Senate, I can think of no one who engendered
greater respect or affection from members of both sides of the aisle.
His seriousness of purpose was perpetually matched by humility, warmth
and good cheer. He battled passionately on the Senate floor for the
causes that he held dear, and yet still maintained warm friendships
across party lines. And that's one reason he became not only one of
the greatest senators of our time, but one of the most accomplished
Americans ever to serve our democracy. I personally valued his wise
counsel in the Senate, where, regardless of the swirl of events, he
always had time for a new colleague. I cherished his confidence and
momentous support in my race for the Presidency. And even as he waged
a valiant struggle with a mortal illness, I've benefited as President
from his encouragement and wisdom. His fight gave us the opportunity
we were denied when his brothers John and Robert were taken from us:
the blessing of time to say thank you and goodbye. The outpouring of
love, gratitude and fond memories to which we've all borne witness is
a testament to the way this singular figure in American history
touched so many lives. For America, he was a defender of a dream. For
his family, he was a guardian. Our hearts and prayers go out to them
today -- to his wonderful wife, Vicki, his children Ted Jr., Patrick
and Kara, his grandchildren and his extended family. Today, our
country mourns. We say goodbye to a friend and a true leader who
challenged us all to live out our noblest values. And we give thanks
for his memory, which inspires us still. Sincerely, President Barack
Obama"

I replied:

"Dear Barack, we were just talking about this on RAO. What a
coincidence. Some of the guys said that justice wasn't served, and
others like Bratzi and CISG said 'Good riddance.' Oh well, thanks for
the e-mail. Give 'Chelle a squeeze for me. Sincerely, Boon."

He wrote back and said:

"Bratzi? You mean Bret Ludwig? Don't worry about him...his FBI file is
as thick as my Alabama black, er...let's just say it's long. And
CISG...that's just Clay Aiken. He's understandably bitter about a lot
of things. Sincerely, President Barack Obama."

[GeoSynch]

Jilly gets sillier:

Kennedy entered a "guilty" plea in a Court of law for the charge brought
against him. What else should he have done?

He left her to drown to death, not alerting authorities for hours
afterwards, more concerned with saving his political hide.

We've been through this, Sugar.

You so-called "progressives" are of a mindset that if a lie is repeated often
enough, everyone will eventually unquestioningly believe it and you feign
puzzled astonishment whenever that "lie as truth" is ever again questioned.

He's directly responsible for her death and didn't do anything to try to
save her life while there was still time.

She should have pulled herself up by her bootstraps.

Jilly sure would have, but then Jilly has a surfeit of experience with
bootstraps from being in drunken stupors.

Spin it any way you like, but you and everybody else knows he was
responsible for Mary Jo Kopechne's death.

Where's the personal responsibility, Sugar?

It is inexecusable and indefensible the hours that transpired between the time
he reached the house and could have called for help and when eventually he did
alert authorities.

If she was alive for two hours (which I very much doubt) she just sat there?

She may have been injured or unconscious from the accident or passed out from
liquor and in no condition to get out of the wreck.

If she had been a conservative she would've by god made it!

Feeble sarcasm noted.

I'm not spinning anything. I'm stating fact. Kennedy went through the justice
system, entered a guilty plea, and abided by what the Court
meted out.

What rubbish! A slap-on-the-wrist show trial to allow for ham-handed contrition
aftermath denouement.

What you're saying is (like any good vigilante) he didn't face *your* version
of justice. And here I thought conservatives were "rule of law" types!
Oooooops!

There you go spinning again in such the same way you've spun so often, utterly
convinced of the veracity of the "lies repeated so often" that they attain a
patina of seeming truthfulness to them.

OK, now apply your 'logic' to dick cheney and bushie. They haven't faced
justice.

Truth be known, I despise the both of them for a plethora of reasons.

Have fun!

You too, Jilly!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Aug 27, 1:26*am, vinyl anachronist
wrote:

"Bratzi? You mean Bret Ludwig? Don't worry about him...his FBI file is
as thick as my Alabama black, er...let's just say it's long. And
CISG...that's just Clay Aiken. He's understandably bitter about a lot
of things. Sincerely, President Barack Obama."

LOL!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Aug 27, 1:31*am, "GeoSynch" wrote:
Jilly gets sillier:

What you're saying is (like any good vigilante) he didn't face *your* version
of justice. And here I thought conservatives were "rule of law" types!
Oooooops!

There you go spinning again in such the same way you've spun so often, utterly
convinced of the veracity of the "lies repeated so often" that they attain a
patina of seeming truthfulness to them.

Here I agree with you.

conservatives are not "rule of law" types at all. How silly of me!

[GeoSynch]

Jilly punked out:

conservatives are not "rule of law" types at all. How silly of me!

Ha! What a lightweight ... or merely couldn't defend the indefensible any
longer.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

vinyl anachronist said:

By the way, Barack just sent me an e-mail about this:

"Marc -- Michelle and I were heartbroken to learn this morning of the
death of our dear friend, Senator Ted Kennedy.

[snip]

It's times like this when you can almost hear the Krooborg shrilling in
outrage. "Please provide proof of your calim or admit your lying."

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Shhhh! said:

*But my real beef isn't so much with him-he was what he was-as with a
system and electorate that put him where he was.

How dare you imply that "the will of the people" isn't always in the
best interests of "the people".

2pid will be really REALLY ****ed when he finds out.

The same "will of the people" brought us Sherman, Harding, and Dumbya.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Shhhh! said:

What you're saying is (like any good vigilante) he didn't face *your* version
of justice. And here I thought conservatives were "rule of law" types!
Oooooops!

There you go spinning again in such the same way you've spun so often, utterly
convinced of the veracity of the "lies repeated so often" that they attain a
patina of seeming truthfulness to them.

Here I agree with you.
conservatives are not "rule of law" types at all. How silly of me!

Last week, Jon Stewart ran a segment showing the Fox spindroids contradicting
themselves about what "liberals" do versus what "loyal Americans" do. He
concluded, based on the clips they dug up, that the Fox loudmouths were the
real "liberals".

[Clyde Slick]

On 27 aug., 00:10, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Aug 26, 9:36*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:



On 26 aug., 22:15, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:47*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 21:27, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 26, 6:35*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 12:15, ScottW2 wrote:

On Aug 25, 10:47*pm, Jenn wrote:

*Justice was never served until now.

ScottW

What an incredibly stupid statement
Everybody dies, whether they are good
or bad. And a person usually dies only once!

No, Kennedy never met justice,
in terms of his joy ride

Here's a question for the Terrible Trio (in terms of intelligence) of
RAO:

Kennedy entered a "guilty" plea in a Court of law for the charge
brought against him. What else should he have done?

1) Called the police right after it happened
2) Not lie to them when he was questioned

Yup. He made some poor choices.

Now that that's on the table, he enetered a "guilty" plea to the
charges brought against him. You bozos are talking about "escaping
justice" and "Justice was never served" and other brainless tripe.
What should he have done to have "justice served"?

report it to the police immediately
so that it could have been properly
investigated. There was testimony thet
Kopechne survived for two to four hours.
There was an air bubble.

We've already been here (see #1 above).

Now that that's on the table, he enetered a "guilty" plea to the
charges brought against him. You bozos are talking about "escaping
justice" and "Justice was never served" and other brainless tripe.
What should he have done to have "justice served"?

RESIGN!

[vinyl anachronist]

On Aug 27, 3:30�am, George M. Middius
wrote:
vinyl anachronist said:

By the way, Barack just sent me an e-mail about this:

"Marc -- Michelle and I were heartbroken to learn this morning of the
death of our dear friend, Senator Ted Kennedy.

[snip]

It's times like this when you can almost hear the Krooborg shrilling in
outrage. "Please provide proof of your calim or admit your lying."

I clicked on some link or another a few months back, and now I get
"personal" emails from our President once every couple of days. In a
cheesy sort of way, it's kind of cool.

[vinyl anachronist]

On Aug 27, 4:57�am, Clyde Slick wrote:
On 27 aug., 00:10, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"





wrote:
On Aug 26, 9:36�pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 22:15, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:47�pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 21:27, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 26, 6:35�pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 12:15, ScottW2 wrote:

On Aug 25, 10:47�pm, Jenn wrote:

�Justice was never served until now.

ScottW

What an incredibly stupid statement
Everybody dies, whether they are good
or bad. And a person usually dies only once!

No, Kennedy never met justice,
in terms of his joy ride

Here's a question for the Terrible Trio (in terms of intelligence) of
RAO:

Kennedy entered a "guilty" plea in a Court of law for the charge
brought against him. What else should he have done?

1) Called the police right after it happened
2) Not lie to them when he was questioned

Yup. He made some poor choices.

Now that that's on the table, he enetered a "guilty" plea to the
charges brought against him. You bozos are talking about "escaping
justice" and "Justice was never served" and other brainless tripe.
What should he have done to have "justice served"?

report it to the police immediately
so that it could have been properly
investigated. There was testimony thet
Kopechne survived for two to four hours.
There was an air bubble.

We've already been here (see #1 above).

Now that that's on the table, he enetered a "guilty" plea to the
charges brought against him. You bozos are talking about "escaping
justice" and "Justice was never served" and other brainless tripe.
What should he have done to have "justice served"?

RESIGN!

He went on TV and asked his constituents what they wanted him to do.
The response was "overwhelmingly in the favor of staying."

I hate to admit this, but the concussion thing is pretty cut-and-
dried. I always thought he was slimy until I discovered this. I'm not
sure why this has been mentioned more.

Think about this in regards to Gargan and Markham: if your friend had
just driven his car into a canal and was acting strange and
irresponsible, at what point should you say to each other,"I wonder if
he hit his head? We should take over for our friend and call for
help." In a way, those two guys are as responsible as Kennedy.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Aug 27, 2:21*am, "GeoSynch" wrote:
Jilly punked out:

conservatives are not "rule of law" types at all. How silly of me!

Ha! What a lightweight ... or merely couldn't defend the indefensible any
longer.

Ha! You didn't realize what you'd just said. LoL.

Why don't you just go jism and smegma and ****, old girl.

[vinyl anachronist]

On Aug 27, 9:28�am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Aug 27, 2:21�am, "GeoSynch" wrote:

Jilly punked out:

conservatives are not "rule of law" types at all. How silly of me!

Ha! What a lightweight ... or merely couldn't defend the indefensible any
longer.

Ha! You didn't realize what you'd just said. LoL.

Why don't you just go jism and smegma and ****, old girl.

Like I said, he's getting dumber and dumber every night. This is a
Internet wimp on a downward spiral. Sad.

[Clyde Slick]

On 27 aug., 11:33, vinyl anachronist
wrote:
On Aug 27, 4:57 am, Clyde Slick wrote:



On 27 aug., 00:10, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 26, 9:36 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 22:15, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:47 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 21:27, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 26, 6:35 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 12:15, ScottW2 wrote:

On Aug 25, 10:47 pm, Jenn wrote:

Justice was never served until now.

ScottW

What an incredibly stupid statement
Everybody dies, whether they are good
or bad. And a person usually dies only once!

No, Kennedy never met justice,
in terms of his joy ride

Here's a question for the Terrible Trio (in terms of intelligence) of
RAO:

Kennedy entered a "guilty" plea in a Court of law for the charge
brought against him. What else should he have done?

1) Called the police right after it happened
2) Not lie to them when he was questioned

Yup. He made some poor choices.

Now that that's on the table, he enetered a "guilty" plea to the
charges brought against him. You bozos are talking about "escaping
justice" and "Justice was never served" and other brainless tripe.
What should he have done to have "justice served"?

report it to the police immediately
so that it could have been properly
investigated. There was testimony thet
Kopechne survived for two to four hours.
There was an air bubble.

We've already been here (see #1 above).

Now that that's on the table, he enetered a "guilty" plea to the
charges brought against him. You bozos are talking about "escaping
justice" and "Justice was never served" and other brainless tripe.
What should he have done to have "justice served"?

RESIGN!

He went on TV and asked his constituents what they wanted him to do.
The response was "overwhelmingly in the favor of staying."

I hate to admit this, but the concussion thing is pretty cut-and-
dried. I always thought he was slimy until I discovered this. I'm not
sure why this has been mentioned more.

Think about this in regards to Gargan and Markham: if your friend had
just driven his car into a canal and was acting strange and
irresponsible, at what point should you say to each other,"I wonder if
he hit his head? We should take over for our friend and call for
help." In a way, those two guys are as responsible as Kennedy.


he was drunk, he never got treated for nor was he diagnosed
as having a concussion. His "swim" was inconsistent with
having a concussion. I am embarrased about you making
excuses for the guy just because he is a liberal.
I don't make excuses for the conservatives who
behave badly, Stanford, and the guy (Name???)
who made the indecent bathroom proposal to a cop.
But"at least" they didn't kill anyone.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Clyde Slick said:

I am embarrased about you making
excuses for the guy just because he is a liberal.
I don't make excuses for the conservatives who
behave badly,

Don't you find it ironic to hear sanctimonious blather like this from somebody
whose "morality" makes room for hatred, discrimination, torture, and police
brutality? I surely do.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Aug 27, 6:57*am, Clyde Slick wrote:
On 27 aug., 00:10, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"





wrote:
On Aug 26, 9:36*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 22:15, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:47*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 21:27, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 26, 6:35*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 12:15, ScottW2 wrote:

On Aug 25, 10:47*pm, Jenn wrote:

*Justice was never served until now.

ScottW

What an incredibly stupid statement
Everybody dies, whether they are good
or bad. And a person usually dies only once!

No, Kennedy never met justice,
in terms of his joy ride

Here's a question for the Terrible Trio (in terms of intelligence) of
RAO:

Kennedy entered a "guilty" plea in a Court of law for the charge
brought against him. What else should he have done?

1) Called the police right after it happened
2) Not lie to them when he was questioned

Yup. He made some poor choices.

Now that that's on the table, he enetered a "guilty" plea to the
charges brought against him. You bozos are talking about "escaping
justice" and "Justice was never served" and other brainless tripe.
What should he have done to have "justice served"?

report it to the police immediately
so that it could have been properly
investigated. There was testimony thet
Kopechne survived for two to four hours.
There was an air bubble.

We've already been here (see #1 above).

Now that that's on the table, he enetered a "guilty" plea to the
charges brought against him. You bozos are talking about "escaping
justice" and "Justice was never served" and other brainless tripe.
What should he have done to have "justice served"?

RESIGN!

How would that "SERVE JUSTICE"?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Aug 27, 4:24*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:
On 27 aug., 11:33, vinyl anachronist
wrote:





On Aug 27, 4:57 am, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 27 aug., 00:10, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 26, 9:36 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 22:15, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:47 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 21:27, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 26, 6:35 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 12:15, ScottW2 wrote:

On Aug 25, 10:47 pm, Jenn wrote:

Justice was never served until now.

ScottW

What an incredibly stupid statement
Everybody dies, whether they are good
or bad. And a person usually dies only once!

No, Kennedy never met justice,
in terms of his joy ride

Here's a question for the Terrible Trio (in terms of intelligence) of
RAO:

Kennedy entered a "guilty" plea in a Court of law for the charge
brought against him. What else should he have done?

1) Called the police right after it happened
2) Not lie to them when he was questioned

Yup. He made some poor choices.

Now that that's on the table, he enetered a "guilty" plea to the
charges brought against him. You bozos are talking about "escaping
justice" and "Justice was never served" and other brainless tripe.
What should he have done to have "justice served"?

report it to the police immediately
so that it could have been properly
investigated. There was testimony thet
Kopechne survived for two to four hours.
There was an air bubble.

We've already been here (see #1 above).

Now that that's on the table, he enetered a "guilty" plea to the
charges brought against him. You bozos are talking about "escaping
justice" and "Justice was never served" and other brainless tripe.
What should he have done to have "justice served"?

RESIGN!

He went on TV and asked his constituents what they wanted him to do.
The response was "overwhelmingly in the favor of staying."

I hate to admit this, but the concussion thing is pretty cut-and-
dried. I always thought he was slimy until I discovered this. I'm not
sure why this has been mentioned more.

Think about this in regards to Gargan and Markham: if your friend had
just driven his car into a canal and was acting strange and
irresponsible, at what point should you say to each other,"I wonder if
he hit his head? We should take over for our friend and call for
help." In a way, those two guys are as responsible as Kennedy.

he was drunk,

Ah, the "taken on faith" argument...again. LoL.

he never got treated for nor was he diagnosed
as having a concussion. His "swim" was inconsistent with
having a concussion. I am embarrased about you making
excuses for the guy just because he is a liberal.

Who said that?

I don't make excuses for the conservatives who
behave badly, Stanford, and the guy (Name???)
who made the indecent bathroom proposal to a cop.
But"at least" they didn't kill anyone.

An eye for an eye, right, Clyde?

[hophead]

In article ,
says...

Don't you find it ironic to hear sanctimonious blather like this from somebody
whose "morality" makes room for hatred, discrimination, torture, and police
brutality? I surely do.

Indeed. I find it DISGUSTUNG

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Aug 27, 4:27*pm, George M. Middius
wrote:
Clyde Slick said:

I am embarrased about you making
excuses for the guy just because he is a liberal.
I don't make excuses for the conservatives who
behave badly,

Don't you find it ironic to hear sanctimonious blather like this from somebody
whose "morality" makes room for hatred, discrimination, torture, and police
brutality? I surely do.

Especially when he conveniently overlooks that some of these
conservatives have killed tens of thousands of people with their
mistakes.

[vinyl anachronist]

On Aug 27, 2:24�pm, Clyde Slick wrote:
On 27 aug., 11:33, vinyl anachronist
wrote:





On Aug 27, 4:57 am, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 27 aug., 00:10, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 26, 9:36 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 22:15, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:47 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 21:27, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 26, 6:35 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 12:15, ScottW2 wrote:

On Aug 25, 10:47 pm, Jenn wrote:

Justice was never served until now.

ScottW

What an incredibly stupid statement
Everybody dies, whether they are good
or bad. And a person usually dies only once!

No, Kennedy never met justice,
in terms of his joy ride

Here's a question for the Terrible Trio (in terms of intelligence) of
RAO:

Kennedy entered a "guilty" plea in a Court of law for the charge
brought against him. What else should he have done?

1) Called the police right after it happened
2) Not lie to them when he was questioned

Yup. He made some poor choices.

Now that that's on the table, he enetered a "guilty" plea to the
charges brought against him. You bozos are talking about "escaping
justice" and "Justice was never served" and other brainless tripe.
What should he have done to have "justice served"?

report it to the police immediately
so that it could have been properly
investigated. There was testimony thet
Kopechne survived for two to four hours.
There was an air bubble.

We've already been here (see #1 above).

Now that that's on the table, he enetered a "guilty" plea to the
charges brought against him. You bozos are talking about "escaping
justice" and "Justice was never served" and other brainless tripe.
What should he have done to have "justice served"?

RESIGN!

He went on TV and asked his constituents what they wanted him to do.
The response was "overwhelmingly in the favor of staying."

I hate to admit this, but the concussion thing is pretty cut-and-
dried. I always thought he was slimy until I discovered this. I'm not
sure why this has been mentioned more.

Think about this in regards to Gargan and Markham: if your friend had
just driven his car into a canal and was acting strange and
irresponsible, at what point should you say to each other,"I wonder if
he hit his head? We should take over for our friend and call for
help." In a way, those two guys are as responsible as Kennedy.

he was drunk, he never got treated for nor was he diagnosed
as having a concussion. His "swim" was inconsistent with
having a concussion. I am embarrased about you making
excuses for the guy just because he is a liberal.
I don't make excuses for the conservatives who
behave badly, Stanford, and the guy (Name???)
who made the indecent bathroom proposal to a cop.
But"at least" they didn't kill anyone.-

Simmer down. My sources say he did have a concussion and that he was
not inebriated. If you can prove otherwise, I'll accept it. I've never
made excuses for anyone because they were liberal in my life. I'm an
independent, so I see the bull**** on both sides.

Ask me how I feel about Dianne Feinstein sometime.

[Clyde Slick]

On 27 aug., 19:31, vinyl anachronist
wrote:
On Aug 27, 2:24 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:



On 27 aug., 11:33, vinyl anachronist
wrote:

On Aug 27, 4:57 am, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 27 aug., 00:10, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 26, 9:36 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 22:15, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:47 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 21:27, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 26, 6:35 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 12:15, ScottW2 wrote:

On Aug 25, 10:47 pm, Jenn wrote:

Justice was never served until now.

ScottW

What an incredibly stupid statement
Everybody dies, whether they are good
or bad. And a person usually dies only once!

No, Kennedy never met justice,
in terms of his joy ride

Here's a question for the Terrible Trio (in terms of intelligence) of
RAO:

Kennedy entered a "guilty" plea in a Court of law for the charge
brought against him. What else should he have done?

1) Called the police right after it happened
2) Not lie to them when he was questioned

Yup. He made some poor choices.

Now that that's on the table, he enetered a "guilty" plea to the
charges brought against him. You bozos are talking about "escaping
justice" and "Justice was never served" and other brainless tripe.
What should he have done to have "justice served"?

report it to the police immediately
so that it could have been properly
investigated. There was testimony thet
Kopechne survived for two to four hours.
There was an air bubble.

We've already been here (see #1 above).

Now that that's on the table, he enetered a "guilty" plea to the
charges brought against him. You bozos are talking about "escaping
justice" and "Justice was never served" and other brainless tripe.
What should he have done to have "justice served"?

RESIGN!

He went on TV and asked his constituents what they wanted him to do.
The response was "overwhelmingly in the favor of staying."

I hate to admit this, but the concussion thing is pretty cut-and-
dried. I always thought he was slimy until I discovered this. I'm not
sure why this has been mentioned more.

Think about this in regards to Gargan and Markham: if your friend had
just driven his car into a canal and was acting strange and
irresponsible, at what point should you say to each other,"I wonder if
he hit his head? We should take over for our friend and call for
help." In a way, those two guys are as responsible as Kennedy.

he was drunk, he never got treated for nor was he diagnosed
as having a concussion. His "swim" was inconsistent with
having a concussion. I am embarrased about you making
excuses for the guy just because he is a liberal.
I don't make excuses for the conservatives who
behave badly, Stanford, and the guy (Name???)
who made the indecent bathroom proposal to a cop.
But"at least" they didn't kill anyone.-

Simmer down. My sources say he did have a concussion and that he was
not inebriated. If you can prove otherwise, I'll accept it. I've never
made excuses for anyone because they were liberal in my life. I'm an
independent, so I see the bull**** on both sides.

Ask me how I feel about Dianne Feinstein sometime.

LOL!!!
a cuncussion
maybe the concussion somehow facilitated his later brain tumor!
your source is worn to secrecy, right!

[vinyl anachronist]

On Aug 27, 6:48�pm, Clyde Slick wrote:
On 27 aug., 19:31, vinyl anachronist
wrote:





On Aug 27, 2:24 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 27 aug., 11:33, vinyl anachronist
wrote:

On Aug 27, 4:57 am, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 27 aug., 00:10, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 26, 9:36 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 22:15, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:47 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 21:27, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 26, 6:35 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 12:15, ScottW2 wrote:

On Aug 25, 10:47 pm, Jenn wrote:

Justice was never served until now.

ScottW

What an incredibly stupid statement
Everybody dies, whether they are good
or bad. And a person usually dies only once!

No, Kennedy never met justice,
in terms of his joy ride

Here's a question for the Terrible Trio (in terms of intelligence) of
RAO:

Kennedy entered a "guilty" plea in a Court of law for the charge
brought against him. What else should he have done?

1) Called the police right after it happened
2) Not lie to them when he was questioned

Yup. He made some poor choices.

Now that that's on the table, he enetered a "guilty" plea to the
charges brought against him. You bozos are talking about "escaping
justice" and "Justice was never served" and other brainless tripe.
What should he have done to have "justice served"?

report it to the police immediately
so that it could have been properly
investigated. There was testimony thet
Kopechne survived for two to four hours.
There was an air bubble.

We've already been here (see #1 above).

Now that that's on the table, he enetered a "guilty" plea to the
charges brought against him. You bozos are talking about "escaping
justice" and "Justice was never served" and other brainless tripe.
What should he have done to have "justice served"?

RESIGN!

He went on TV and asked his constituents what they wanted him to do..
The response was "overwhelmingly in the favor of staying."

I hate to admit this, but the concussion thing is pretty cut-and-
dried. I always thought he was slimy until I discovered this. I'm not
sure why this has been mentioned more.

Think about this in regards to Gargan and Markham: if your friend had
just driven his car into a canal and was acting strange and
irresponsible, at what point should you say to each other,"I wonder if
he hit his head? We should take over for our friend and call for
help." In a way, those two guys are as responsible as Kennedy.

he was drunk, he never got treated for nor was he diagnosed
as having a concussion. His "swim" was inconsistent with
having a concussion. I am embarrased about you making
excuses for the guy just because he is a liberal.
I don't make excuses for the conservatives who
behave badly, Stanford, and the guy (Name???)
who made the indecent bathroom proposal to a cop.
But"at least" they didn't kill anyone.-

Simmer down. My sources say he did have a concussion and that he was
not inebriated. If you can prove otherwise, I'll accept it. I've never
made excuses for anyone because they were liberal in my life. I'm an
independent, so I see the bull**** on both sides.

Ask me how I feel about Dianne Feinstein sometime.

LOL!!!
a cuncussion
maybe the concussion somehow facilitated his later brain tumor!
your source is worn to secrecy, right!-

No, I did research. But because I do this for a living, I know how to
verify references. For instance, I don't trust blogs. If I used a blog
or Wikipedia for a factual piece, my editors would rip me a new one.

If he did have a concussion, that changes everything. If he wasn't
inebriated, that changes everything. The outcome of the trial was
apparently based on the fact that it was never proven that he was
inebriated, and that he had been diagnosed with a concussion. It
doesn't take much to diagnose a concussion. Both times I had one I was
diagnosed without x-rays and a battery of tests. Many times a simple
neurological test performed in an examining room is all you need.

Again, if you can prove he was inebriated and didn't have a
concussion, I'll retract my statement. But I already know the outcome
because I saw the evidence myself. I don't need you to translate those
findings for me.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Aug 27, 9:16*pm, vinyl anachronist
wrote:

Again, if you can prove he was inebriated and didn't have a
concussion, I'll retract my statement. But I already know the outcome
because I saw the evidence myself. I don't need you to translate those
findings for me.

Sorry, dude, but that doesn't cut it.

Kennedy had a reputation as a drinker. Therefore, he was drunk that
night. Just ask Clyde, Clyde knows a drinker when he sees ;-) one
which merely reinforces my point.

What else have ya got?

[vinyl anachronist]

On Aug 27, 7:33�pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Aug 27, 9:16�pm, vinyl anachronist
wrote:

Again, if you can prove he was inebriated and didn't have a
concussion, I'll retract my statement. But I already know the outcome
because I saw the evidence myself. I don't need you to translate those
findings for me.

Sorry, dude, but that doesn't cut it.

Kennedy had a reputation as a drinker. Therefore, he was drunk that
night. Just ask Clyde, Clyde knows a drinker when he sees ;-) one
which merely reinforces my point.

What else have ya got?

Ennui.

[MiNe 109]

In article
,
vinyl anachronist wrote:

But I already know the outcome
because I saw the evidence myself.

He has the power of thought on his side.

Stephen

[Clyde Slick]

On 27 aug., 22:16, vinyl anachronist
wrote:
On Aug 27, 6:48 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:



On 27 aug., 19:31, vinyl anachronist
wrote:

On Aug 27, 2:24 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 27 aug., 11:33, vinyl anachronist
wrote:

On Aug 27, 4:57 am, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 27 aug., 00:10, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 26, 9:36 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 22:15, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:47 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 21:27, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 26, 6:35 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 12:15, ScottW2 wrote:

On Aug 25, 10:47 pm, Jenn wrote:

Justice was never served until now.

ScottW

What an incredibly stupid statement
Everybody dies, whether they are good
or bad. And a person usually dies only once!

No, Kennedy never met justice,
in terms of his joy ride

Here's a question for the Terrible Trio (in terms of intelligence) of
RAO:

Kennedy entered a "guilty" plea in a Court of law for the charge
brought against him. What else should he have done?

1) Called the police right after it happened
2) Not lie to them when he was questioned

Yup. He made some poor choices.

Now that that's on the table, he enetered a "guilty" plea to the
charges brought against him. You bozos are talking about "escaping
justice" and "Justice was never served" and other brainless tripe.
What should he have done to have "justice served"?

report it to the police immediately
so that it could have been properly
investigated. There was testimony thet
Kopechne survived for two to four hours.
There was an air bubble.

We've already been here (see #1 above).

Now that that's on the table, he enetered a "guilty" plea to the
charges brought against him. You bozos are talking about "escaping
justice" and "Justice was never served" and other brainless tripe.
What should he have done to have "justice served"?

RESIGN!

He went on TV and asked his constituents what they wanted him to do.
The response was "overwhelmingly in the favor of staying."

I hate to admit this, but the concussion thing is pretty cut-and-
dried. I always thought he was slimy until I discovered this. I'm not
sure why this has been mentioned more.

Think about this in regards to Gargan and Markham: if your friend had
just driven his car into a canal and was acting strange and
irresponsible, at what point should you say to each other,"I wonder if
he hit his head? We should take over for our friend and call for
help." In a way, those two guys are as responsible as Kennedy.

he was drunk, he never got treated for nor was he diagnosed
as having a concussion. His "swim" was inconsistent with
having a concussion. I am embarrased about you making
excuses for the guy just because he is a liberal.
I don't make excuses for the conservatives who
behave badly, Stanford, and the guy (Name???)
who made the indecent bathroom proposal to a cop.
But"at least" they didn't kill anyone.-

Simmer down. My sources say he did have a concussion and that he was
not inebriated. If you can prove otherwise, I'll accept it. I've never
made excuses for anyone because they were liberal in my life. I'm an
independent, so I see the bull**** on both sides.

Ask me how I feel about Dianne Feinstein sometime.

LOL!!!
a cuncussion
maybe the concussion somehow facilitated his later brain tumor!
your source is worn to secrecy, right!-

No, I did research. But because I do this for a living, I know how to
verify references. For instance, I don't trust blogs. If I used a blog
or Wikipedia for a factual piece, my editors would rip me a new one.

If he did have a concussion, that changes everything. If he wasn't
inebriated, that changes everything. The outcome of the trial was
apparently based on the fact that it was never proven that he was
inebriated, and that he had been diagnosed with a concussion. It
doesn't take much to diagnose a concussion. Both times I had one I was
diagnosed without x-rays and a battery of tests. Many times a simple
neurological test performed in an examining room is all you need.

Again, if you can prove he was inebriated and didn't have a
concussion, I'll retract my statement. But I already know the outcome
because I saw the evidence myself. I don't need you to translate those
findings for me.

you can't prove that he wasn't inebriated and had a concussion.
and I can't translate findings you keep secret.

[Clyde Slick]

On 27 aug., 22:33, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Aug 27, 9:16*pm, vinyl anachronist
wrote:

Again, if you can prove he was inebriated and didn't have a
concussion, I'll retract my statement. But I already know the outcome
because I saw the evidence myself. I don't need you to translate those
findings for me.

Sorry, dude, but that doesn't cut it.

Kennedy had a reputation as a drinker. Therefore, he was drunk that
night. Just ask Clyde, Clyde knows a drinker when he sees ;-) one
which merely reinforces my point.

What else have ya got?

I guess he had his concussion before the accident.
that woulod explain the worng turn and driving off the bridgr!

[Clyde Slick]

On 27 aug., 22:33, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Aug 27, 9:16*pm, vinyl anachronist
wrote:

Again, if you can prove he was inebriated and didn't have a
concussion, I'll retract my statement. But I already know the outcome
because I saw the evidence myself. I don't need you to translate those
findings for me.

Sorry, dude, but that doesn't cut it.

Kennedy had a reputation as a drinker. Therefore, he was drunk that
night. Just ask Clyde, Clyde knows a drinker when he sees ;-) one
which merely reinforces my point.

What else have ya got?


he claimed currents kept him from getting into the sunken car, there
were no currents
in that pond, there is a lot of silting in the channel between the two
main bodies of water., it is pretty much blocked up.

He reported that the car window was closed, the diver found it was
open.
H managed to call his friends that niht, but failed to call the
police.
Concussiion is hi cocncoted rxcuse afer the fact to coever what he did
not do,
yet he managed to swim the channel to Chappaquicik despite his
so called "concussion."

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Aug 27, 11:12*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:
On 27 aug., 22:33, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"





wrote:
On Aug 27, 9:16*pm, vinyl anachronist
wrote:

Again, if you can prove he was inebriated and didn't have a
concussion, I'll retract my statement. But I already know the outcome
because I saw the evidence myself. I don't need you to translate those
findings for me.

Sorry, dude, but that doesn't cut it.

Kennedy had a reputation as a drinker. Therefore, he was drunk that
night. Just ask Clyde, Clyde knows a drinker when he sees ;-) one
which merely reinforces my point.

What else have ya got?

I guess he had his concussion before the accident.
that woulod explain the worng turn and driving off the bridgr!

No, but an angled bridge with no railing and no lights might.

Have you been drinking...again?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Aug 27, 11:10*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

you can't prove that he wasn't inebriated

Prove he was and the argument is over.

[vinyl anachronist]

On Aug 27, 9:10�pm, Clyde Slick wrote:
On 27 aug., 22:16, vinyl anachronist
wrote:





On Aug 27, 6:48 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 27 aug., 19:31, vinyl anachronist
wrote:

On Aug 27, 2:24 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 27 aug., 11:33, vinyl anachronist
wrote:

On Aug 27, 4:57 am, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 27 aug., 00:10, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 26, 9:36 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 22:15, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:47 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 21:27, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Aug 26, 6:35 pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 26 aug., 12:15, ScottW2 wrote:

On Aug 25, 10:47 pm, Jenn wrote:

Justice was never served until now.

ScottW

What an incredibly stupid statement
Everybody dies, whether they are good
or bad. And a person usually dies only once!

No, Kennedy never met justice,
in terms of his joy ride

Here's a question for the Terrible Trio (in terms of intelligence) of
RAO:

Kennedy entered a "guilty" plea in a Court of law for the charge
brought against him. What else should he have done?

1) Called the police right after it happened
2) Not lie to them when he was questioned

Yup. He made some poor choices.

Now that that's on the table, he enetered a "guilty" plea to the
charges brought against him. You bozos are talking about "escaping
justice" and "Justice was never served" and other brainless tripe.
What should he have done to have "justice served"?

report it to the police immediately
so that it could have been properly
investigated. There was testimony thet
Kopechne survived for two to four hours.
There was an air bubble.

We've already been here (see #1 above).

Now that that's on the table, he enetered a "guilty" plea to the
charges brought against him. You bozos are talking about "escaping
justice" and "Justice was never served" and other brainless tripe.
What should he have done to have "justice served"?

RESIGN!

He went on TV and asked his constituents what they wanted him to do.
The response was "overwhelmingly in the favor of staying."

I hate to admit this, but the concussion thing is pretty cut-and-
dried. I always thought he was slimy until I discovered this. I'm not
sure why this has been mentioned more.

Think about this in regards to Gargan and Markham: if your friend had
just driven his car into a canal and was acting strange and
irresponsible, at what point should you say to each other,"I wonder if
he hit his head? We should take over for our friend and call for
help." In a way, those two guys are as responsible as Kennedy.

he was drunk, he never got treated for nor was he diagnosed
as having a concussion. His "swim" was inconsistent with
having a concussion. I am embarrased about you making
excuses for the guy just because he is a liberal.
I don't make excuses for the conservatives who
behave badly, Stanford, and the guy (Name???)
who made the indecent bathroom proposal to a cop.
But"at least" they didn't kill anyone.-

Simmer down. My sources say he did have a concussion and that he was
not inebriated. If you can prove otherwise, I'll accept it. I've never
made excuses for anyone because they were liberal in my life. I'm an
independent, so I see the bull**** on both sides.

Ask me how I feel about Dianne Feinstein sometime.

LOL!!!
a cuncussion
maybe the concussion somehow facilitated his later brain tumor!
your source is worn to secrecy, right!-

No, I did research. But because I do this for a living, I know how to
verify references. For instance, I don't trust blogs. If I used a blog
or Wikipedia for a factual piece, my editors would rip me a new one.

If he did have a concussion, that changes everything. If he wasn't
inebriated, that changes everything. The outcome of the trial was
apparently based on the fact that it was never proven that he was
inebriated, and that he had been diagnosed with a concussion. It
doesn't take much to diagnose a concussion. Both times I had one I was
diagnosed without x-rays and a battery of tests. Many times a simple
neurological test performed in an examining room is all you need.

Again, if you can prove he was inebriated and didn't have a
concussion, I'll retract my statement. But I already know the outcome
because I saw the evidence myself. I don't need you to translate those
findings for me.

you can't prove that he wasn't inebriated and had a concussion.

Ever hear of innocent until proven guilty.

and I can't �translate findings you keep secret.

More debating trade crap. I'm not keeping anything secret...you're
just not opening your eyes. That's part of them problem...right-
wingers accept anything that's spoon-fed to them. I've said this
before, but the truth isn't floating around the Internet with a URL
attached to it. You're not getting quality info. Do the homework.

[vinyl anachronist]

On Aug 27, 9:12�pm, Clyde Slick wrote:
On 27 aug., 22:33, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"





wrote:
On Aug 27, 9:16�pm, vinyl anachronist
wrote:

Again, if you can prove he was inebriated and didn't have a
concussion, I'll retract my statement. But I already know the outcome
because I saw the evidence myself. I don't need you to translate those
findings for me.

Sorry, dude, but that doesn't cut it.

Kennedy had a reputation as a drinker. Therefore, he was drunk that
night. Just ask Clyde, Clyde knows a drinker when he sees ;-) one
which merely reinforces my point.

What else have ya got?

I guess he had his concussion before the accident.
that woulod explain the worng turn and driving off the bridgr!

He drove off the bridge because he was traveling way too fast (20
mph). That could have been because he was drunk, and it could have
been because he was trying to impress Mary Jo. But we don't know,
because we weren't there.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Aug 27, 11:31*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:
On 27 aug., 22:33, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"





wrote:
On Aug 27, 9:16*pm, vinyl anachronist
wrote:

Again, if you can prove he was inebriated and didn't have a
concussion, I'll retract my statement. But I already know the outcome
because I saw the evidence myself. I don't need you to translate those
findings for me.

Sorry, dude, but that doesn't cut it.

Kennedy had a reputation as a drinker. Therefore, he was drunk that
night. Just ask Clyde, Clyde knows a drinker when he sees ;-) one
which merely reinforces my point.

What else have ya got?

he claimed currents kept him from getting into the sunken car, there
were no currents
in that pond, there is a lot of silting in the channel between the two
main bodies of water., it is pretty much blocked up.

He reported that the car window was closed, the diver found it was
open.
H managed to call his friends that niht, but failed to call the
police.
Concussiion is hi cocncoted rxcuse afer the fact to coever what he did
not do,
yet he managed to swim the channel to Chappaquicik despite his
so called "concussion."

Well, you do seem to know best, Clyde. All I know is what I read:

According to his inquest testimony, Kennedy made a wrong turn onto
Dike Road, an unlit dirt road that led to Dike Bridge (also spelled
Dyke Bridge). Dike Road was unpaved, but Kennedy, driving at
"approximately twenty miles an hour", took "no particular notice" of
this fact, and did not realize that he was no longer headed towards
the ferry landing.[6] Dike Bridge was a wooden bridge angled obliquely
to the road with no guardrail. A fraction of a second before he
reached the bridge, Kennedy applied his brakes; he then drove over the
side of the bridge. The car plunged into tide-swept Poucha Pond (at
that location a channel) and came to rest upside-down underwater.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident

So it was "tide-swept", not still and silted over. And so on.

I cannot argue with someone who's so inebriated they apparently cannot
type. Nor do I want to discuss something with someone whose facts vary
from the the record so greatly.

Sober up and we'll pick it up later. ;-)

[vinyl anachronist]

From Ted Kennedy's speech to Massachusetts after the incident:

"Although my doctors informed me that I suffered a cerebral
concussion, as well as shock, I do not seek to escape responsibility
for my actions by placing the blame either on the physical and
emotional trauma brought on by the accident, or on anyone else. I
regard as indefensible the fact that I did not report the accident to
the police immediately."

Doctor's testimony was entered into the trial proceedings. It's
confirmed by the FBI file as well as the Damore book.

In the same speech Kennedy said:

"Nor was I driving under the influence of liquor."

Nothing during the trial disproved this. Did Kennedy retreat to his
room until the next day to rid his bloodstream of alcohol? It's
possible, but none of the witnesses at the party countered his
statement. Remember, a few of Mary Jo's personal friends were there at
the party.

Now you can believe that Kennedy was drunk and did not have a
concussion, but that's a belief. The simple fact is that a concussion
seems to explain everything that happened. It's Occam's Razor. But if
you think your explanation is accurate then prove it. After that you
can get to work on the JFK assassination and whether or not Apollo 11
really landed on the moon.

[vinyl anachronist]

On Aug 27, 9:31�pm, Clyde Slick wrote:
On 27 aug., 22:33, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"





wrote:
On Aug 27, 9:16�pm, vinyl anachronist
wrote:

Again, if you can prove he was inebriated and didn't have a
concussion, I'll retract my statement. But I already know the outcome
because I saw the evidence myself. I don't need you to translate those
findings for me.

Sorry, dude, but that doesn't cut it.

Kennedy had a reputation as a drinker. Therefore, he was drunk that
night. Just ask Clyde, Clyde knows a drinker when he sees ;-) one
which merely reinforces my point.

What else have ya got?

he claimed currents kept him from getting into the sunken car, there
were no currents
in that pond, there is a lot of silting in the channel between the two
main bodies of water., it is pretty much blocked up.

If your head was swimming, like it does when you have a concussion,
then it might feel like there's a current.

He reported that the car window was closed, the diver found it was
open.
H managed to call his friends that niht, but failed to call the
police.
Concussiion is hi cocncoted rxcuse afer the fact to coever what he did
not do,
yet he managed to swim the channel to Chappaquicik despite his
so called "concussion."

Show me where a concussion would stop a person from swimming, doc.
Quarterbacks in professional football have had concussions and went on
to win the game.

[GeoSynch]

The BaBoon kibbitzed from the peanut gallery:

Like I said, he's getting dumber and dumber every night. This is a Internet
wimp on a downward spiral. Sad.

Is the move to Austin precipated by Dorgay finally wising up and giving Marc
Phillips the boot for dragging TONE Audio's brand name through the mud from your
continual mentally-deranged behavior on rao?