[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Aug 3, 2:08*pm, ScottW2 wrote:
On Aug 2, 3:18*pm, Jenn wrote:





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I'll even agree to support Obama's end of life counseling for you.

ScottW

You don't believe that such counseling, as defined under HR 3200, isn't
a good option?

Are you always so negative?

lol *How am I being megative?

*That would be negative, twice as much as required.

Oh, I see! *You wish to start a grammar war. *How "fun"! *Be ready for
the incoming.

* Boredom shield raised. *Have at it.







Anyway, no I don't.

(The)

*Last person I will trust with my health care or end
of
life
options is a gov't dweeb following congressional mandates.

Hmmm. *Seems to me a person knowing her/his legal options is a good
thing. *AARP agrees.

Legal options are now part of the counseling? *LoL.
Why don't I find that in the bill?

I don't know. *Perhaps you have not read it. *Perhaps you have trouble
understanding it. *Those seem to be the most obvious possibilities.

* * * "(A) An explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning,
including key questions and considerations, important steps, and
suggested people to talk to.

Œ(B) An explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including
living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses.

Œ(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities
of a health care proxy.

Œ(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list of national and
State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with
advance care planning, including the national toll-free hotline, the
advance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal service
organizations (including those funded through the Older Americans Act of
1965).

Œ(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life
services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice,
and benefits for such services and supports that are available under
this title.

Œ(F)(i) Subject to clause (ii), an explanation of orders regarding life
sustaining treatment or similar orders, which shall include--

* * * Œ(I) the reasons why the development of such an order is
beneficial to the individual and the individual¹s family and the reasons
why such an order should be updated periodically as the health of the
individual changes;

Œ(II) the information needed for an individual or legal surrogate to
make informed decisions regarding the completion of such an order; and

Œ(III) the identification of resources that an individual may use to
determine the requirements of the State in which such individual resides
so that the treatment wishes of that individual will be carried out if
the individual is unable to communicate those wishes, including
requirements regarding the designation of a surrogate decisionmaker
(also known as a health care proxy).

* * * Œ(ii) The Secretary shall limit the requirement for explanations
under clause (i) to consultations furnished in a State--

* * * Œ(I) in which all legal barriers have been addressed for enabling
orders for life sustaining treatment to constitute a set of medical
orders respected across all care settings; and

Œ(II) that has in effect a program for orders for life sustaining
treatment described in clause (iii).

* * * Œ(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining treatment for a
States described in this clause is a program that--

* * * Œ(I) ensures such orders are standardized and uniquely
identifiable throughout the State;

Œ(II) distributes or makes accessible such orders to physicians and
other health professionals that (acting within the scope of the
professional¹s authority under State law) may sign orders for life
sustaining treatment;

Œ(III) provides training for health care professionals across the
continuum of care about the goals and use of orders for life sustaining
treatment; and

Œ(IV) is guided by a coalition of stakeholders includes representatives
from emergency medical services, emergency department physicians or
nurses, state long-term care association, state medical association,
state surveyors, agency responsible for senior services, state
department of health, state hospital association, home health
association, state bar association, and state hospice association.

* * * Œ(2) A practitioner described in this paragraph is--

* * * Œ(A) a physician (as defined in subsection (r)(1)); and

Œ(B) a nurse practitioner or physician¹s assistant who has the authority
under State law to sign orders for life sustaining treatments."

So why are you against a patient knowing he/she can grant a durable
power of attorney?

*Never happenned. * What did happen was you claiming this
diatribe of stuff (which as you can see is going to be a very
expensive counseling program to offer to everyone every 5
years...especially seniors) amounts to your
best options.
As a public pension recipient (should you survive that long) they will
be even less inclined to extend your useless existence any longer than
absolutely necessary.

That will have a more positie impact than forced sterilizations, 2pid.

I suspect the main difference is that sterilizations won't apply to
you. You have always liked to apply differentstandards to others. LoL.

I suggest you seek unbiased advice.

You've just accused doctors of breaking their oath. What do you base
this on?