[Paul[_13_]]

Ok, here's another legal question:

I've read that the addition of only
one word can make a currently used band name legal
to use in a new altered form.

Like for example, would "Pink in Floyd"
or "Led Under Zeppelin", be legal names (regardless of
how horrible they sound) ?

[Scott Dorsey]

Paul wrote:

Ok, here's another legal question:

I've read that the addition of only
one word can make a currently used band name legal
to use in a new altered form.

Like for example, would "Pink in Floyd"
or "Led Under Zeppelin", be legal names (regardless of
how horrible they sound) ?

1. If you get permission from the band they sound like, it's legal.

2. If you don't get permission from the band, whoever has the better lawyer
and the most money to pay lawyers wins.

3. Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin are both very good about allowing tribute
bands with similar names.

4. If the band doesn't like it, use something else that will clearly remind
people of the band you're thinking of. For example there is an ELP cover
band called the Brain Salad Surgeons.
--scott



--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[hank alrich]

Paul wrote:

Ok, here's another legal question:

I've read that the addition of only
one word can make a currently used band name legal
to use in a new altered form.

Like for example, would "Pink in Floyd"
or "Led Under Zeppelin", be legal names (regardless of
how horrible they sound) ?

You want to read:

http://www.bhba.org/store/mall/Books_list1.htm

--
ha
shut up and play your guitar

[dwgriffi]

On Apr 4, 8:21*am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Paul wrote:

* * * *Ok, here's another legal question:

* * * * * * *I've read that the addition of only
one word can make a currently used band name legal
to use in a new altered form.

* * * * * *Like for example, would "Pink in Floyd"
or "Led Under Zeppelin", be legal names (regardless of
how horrible they sound) ?

1. If you get permission from the band they sound like, it's legal.

2. If you don't get permission from the band, whoever has the better lawyer
* *and the most money to pay lawyers wins.

3. Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin are both very good about allowing tribute
* *bands with similar names.

4. If the band doesn't like it, use something else that will clearly remind
* *people of the band you're thinking of. *For example there is an ELP cover
* *band called the Brain Salad Surgeons.
--scott


The literal guideline is that if it could be construed a misleading or
confusing you with the tributee you can't. Although in actual
practice, as Scott points out, it all depends on if they (or really
anyone associated with them who holds some ownership) are in the mood
to care about it this year.

IIRC, a few decades ago in the northeast a tribute band, who fought
changing their name because they had spent years building it up,
settled a cease and desist on a slightly altered name by making sure a
sentence referring to them as "the greatest tribute band experience",
or something like that, was superglued to the band name.

[Paul[_13_]]

On Apr 4, 10:12*am, dwgriffi wrote:
On Apr 4, 8:21*am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:



Paul wrote:

* * * *Ok, here's another legal question:

* * * * * * *I've read that the addition of only
one word can make a currently used band name legal
to use in a new altered form.

* * * * * *Like for example, would "Pink in Floyd"
or "Led Under Zeppelin", be legal names (regardless of
how horrible they sound) ?

1. If you get permission from the band they sound like, it's legal.

2. If you don't get permission from the band, whoever has the better lawyer
* *and the most money to pay lawyers wins.

3. Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin are both very good about allowing tribute
* *bands with similar names.

4. If the band doesn't like it, use something else that will clearly remind
* *people of the band you're thinking of. *For example there is an ELP cover
* *band called the Brain Salad Surgeons.
--scott

The literal guideline is that if it could be construed a misleading or
confusing you with the tributee you can't. *Although in actual
practice, as Scott points out, it all depends on if they (or really
anyone associated with them who holds some ownership) are in the mood
to care about it this year.

IIRC, a few decades ago in the northeast a tribute band, who fought
changing their name because they had spent years building it up,
settled a cease and desist on a slightly altered name by making sure a
sentence referring to them as "the greatest tribute band experience",
or something like that, was superglued to the band name.


What if it's not a tribute band, and actually
the original band is very small time? Probably
don't have the $ to go after people.....

[Paul P[_3_]]

Paul wrote:

What if it's not a tribute band, and actually
the original band is very small time? Probably
don't have the $ to go after people.....

Why not come up with an original name and save yourself
some trouble ? Same for original songs. Why worry about
how much you could get away with ?

Paul P

[William Sommerwerck]

A "tribute" name would look like a rip-off. It would likely drive listeners
away, rather than attracting them.

[Steve Hawkins]

Paul wrote in
:


What if it's not a tribute band, and actually
the original band is very small time? Probably
don't have the $ to go after people.....

Do you mug the Homeless, too?

Steve Hawkins

[Misifus[_2_]]

Paul wrote:
On Apr 4, 10:12 am, dwgriffi wrote:
On Apr 4, 8:21 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:



Paul wrote:
Ok, here's another legal question:
I've read that the addition of only
one word can make a currently used band name legal
to use in a new altered form.
Like for example, would "Pink in Floyd"
or "Led Under Zeppelin", be legal names (regardless of
how horrible they sound) ?
1. If you get permission from the band they sound like, it's legal.
2. If you don't get permission from the band, whoever has the better lawyer
and the most money to pay lawyers wins.
3. Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin are both very good about allowing tribute
bands with similar names.
4. If the band doesn't like it, use something else that will clearly remind
people of the band you're thinking of. For example there is an ELP cover
band called the Brain Salad Surgeons.
--scott
The literal guideline is that if it could be construed a misleading or
confusing you with the tributee you can't. Although in actual
practice, as Scott points out, it all depends on if they (or really
anyone associated with them who holds some ownership) are in the mood
to care about it this year.

IIRC, a few decades ago in the northeast a tribute band, who fought
changing their name because they had spent years building it up,
settled a cease and desist on a slightly altered name by making sure a
sentence referring to them as "the greatest tribute band experience",
or something like that, was superglued to the band name.


What if it's not a tribute band, and actually
the original band is very small time? Probably
don't have the $ to go after people.....


I have been in two bands that attempted to use names trademarked by
other entities. In one case that band folded before the name became an
issue. In the other case, the band had to alter their name to avoid a
problem. The second band was rather small time, but the town was
Nashville, so folks are very aware of those issues.

-Raf

--
Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home: http://www.rafandsioux.com

[George's Pro Sound Company]

"Misifus" wrote in message
...
Paul wrote:
On Apr 4, 10:12 am, dwgriffi wrote:
On Apr 4, 8:21 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:



Paul wrote:
Ok, here's another legal question:
I've read that the addition of only
one word can make a currently used band name legal
to use in a new altered form.
Like for example, would "Pink in Floyd"
or "Led Under Zeppelin", be legal names (regardless of
how horrible they sound) ?
1. If you get permission from the band they sound like, it's legal.
2. If you don't get permission from the band, whoever has the better
lawyer
and the most money to pay lawyers wins.
3. Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin are both very good about allowing
tribute
bands with similar names.
4. If the band doesn't like it, use something else that will clearly
remind
people of the band you're thinking of. For example there is an ELP
cover
band called the Brain Salad Surgeons.
--scott
The literal guideline is that if it could be construed a misleading or
confusing you with the tributee you can't. Although in actual
practice, as Scott points out, it all depends on if they (or really
anyone associated with them who holds some ownership) are in the mood
to care about it this year.

IIRC, a few decades ago in the northeast a tribute band, who fought
changing their name because they had spent years building it up,
settled a cease and desist on a slightly altered name by making sure a
sentence referring to them as "the greatest tribute band experience",
or something like that, was superglued to the band name.


What if it's not a tribute band, and actually
the original band is very small time? Probably
don't have the $ to go after people.....


I have been in two bands that attempted to use names trademarked by other
entities. In one case that band folded before the name became an issue.
In the other case, the band had to alter their name to avoid a problem.
The second band was rather small time, but the town was Nashville, so
folks are very aware of those issues.

-Raf

I am going to call my next band "The Original Artists"
I wonder if K-Tel will have my ass

[Sean[_5_]]

George's Pro Sound Company wrote:
"Misifus" wrote in message
...
Paul wrote:
On Apr 4, 10:12 am, dwgriffi wrote:
On Apr 4, 8:21 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:



Paul wrote:
Ok, here's another legal question:
I've read that the addition of only
one word can make a currently used band name legal
to use in a new altered form.
Like for example, would "Pink in Floyd"
or "Led Under Zeppelin", be legal names (regardless of
how horrible they sound) ?
1. If you get permission from the band they sound like, it's legal.
2. If you don't get permission from the band, whoever has the better
lawyer
and the most money to pay lawyers wins.
3. Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin are both very good about allowing
tribute
bands with similar names.
4. If the band doesn't like it, use something else that will clearly
remind
people of the band you're thinking of. For example there is an ELP
cover
band called the Brain Salad Surgeons.
--scott
The literal guideline is that if it could be construed a misleading or
confusing you with the tributee you can't. Although in actual
practice, as Scott points out, it all depends on if they (or really
anyone associated with them who holds some ownership) are in the mood
to care about it this year.

IIRC, a few decades ago in the northeast a tribute band, who fought
changing their name because they had spent years building it up,
settled a cease and desist on a slightly altered name by making sure a
sentence referring to them as "the greatest tribute band experience",
or something like that, was superglued to the band name.

What if it's not a tribute band, and actually
the original band is very small time? Probably
don't have the $ to go after people.....

I have been in two bands that attempted to use names trademarked by other
entities. In one case that band folded before the name became an issue.
In the other case, the band had to alter their name to avoid a problem.
The second band was rather small time, but the town was Nashville, so
folks are very aware of those issues.

-Raf

I am going to call my next band "The Original Artists"
I wonder if K-Tel will have my ass


Around 1980, I came up with the band name "The Subdudes." Unfortunately,
I didn't have a band at the time. Then 8 or 9 years later some rascals
pulled my idea out of the cozmik consciousness and attached it to their
band.
My brother will swear I mentioned the band name to him over beers back
in 1980. Do you think I could successfully sue those rapscallions?

[Ed Edelenbos]

"Sean" wrote in message
news:hedCl.20311$Db2.14435@edtnps83...
George's Pro Sound Company wrote:
"Misifus" wrote in message
...
Paul wrote:
On Apr 4, 10:12 am, dwgriffi wrote:
On Apr 4, 8:21 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:



Paul wrote:
Ok, here's another legal question:
I've read that the addition of only
one word can make a currently used band name legal
to use in a new altered form.
Like for example, would "Pink in Floyd"
or "Led Under Zeppelin", be legal names (regardless of
how horrible they sound) ?
1. If you get permission from the band they sound like, it's legal.
2. If you don't get permission from the band, whoever has the better
lawyer
and the most money to pay lawyers wins.
3. Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin are both very good about allowing
tribute
bands with similar names.
4. If the band doesn't like it, use something else that will clearly
remind
people of the band you're thinking of. For example there is an
ELP cover
band called the Brain Salad Surgeons.
--scott
The literal guideline is that if it could be construed a misleading or
confusing you with the tributee you can't. Although in actual
practice, as Scott points out, it all depends on if they (or really
anyone associated with them who holds some ownership) are in the mood
to care about it this year.

IIRC, a few decades ago in the northeast a tribute band, who fought
changing their name because they had spent years building it up,
settled a cease and desist on a slightly altered name by making sure a
sentence referring to them as "the greatest tribute band experience",
or something like that, was superglued to the band name.

What if it's not a tribute band, and actually
the original band is very small time? Probably
don't have the $ to go after people.....

I have been in two bands that attempted to use names trademarked by
other entities. In one case that band folded before the name became an
issue. In the other case, the band had to alter their name to avoid a
problem. The second band was rather small time, but the town was
Nashville, so folks are very aware of those issues.

-Raf

I am going to call my next band "The Original Artists"
I wonder if K-Tel will have my ass
Around 1980, I came up with the band name "The Subdudes." Unfortunately, I
didn't have a band at the time. Then 8 or 9 years later some rascals
pulled my idea out of the cozmik consciousness and attached it to their
band.
My brother will swear I mentioned the band name to him over beers back in
1980. Do you think I could successfully sue those rapscallions?

LOL... Just about the same era, me and 2 buddies had a band called "Slow
Children At Play". It was a play on the street signs... "Slow. Children
at Play." turned into, "Slow Children at play." A couple years later
another few local miscreants used the same. I always hoped they did well.

Ed

[RichL]

Ed Edelenbos wrote:
"Sean" wrote in message
news:hedCl.20311$Db2.14435@edtnps83...
George's Pro Sound Company wrote:
"Misifus" wrote in message
...
Paul wrote:
On Apr 4, 10:12 am, dwgriffi wrote:
On Apr 4, 8:21 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:



Paul wrote:
Ok, here's another legal question:
I've read that the addition of only
one word can make a currently used band name legal
to use in a new altered form.
Like for example, would "Pink in Floyd"
or "Led Under Zeppelin", be legal names (regardless of
how horrible they sound) ?
1. If you get permission from the band they sound like, it's
legal.
2. If you don't get permission from the band, whoever has the
better lawyer
and the most money to pay lawyers wins.
3. Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin are both very good about allowing
tribute
bands with similar names.
4. If the band doesn't like it, use something else that will
clearly remind
people of the band you're thinking of. For example there is
an ELP cover
band called the Brain Salad Surgeons.
--scott
The literal guideline is that if it could be construed a
misleading or confusing you with the tributee you can't.
Although in actual practice, as Scott points out, it all depends
on if they (or really anyone associated with them who holds some
ownership) are in the mood to care about it this year.

IIRC, a few decades ago in the northeast a tribute band, who
fought changing their name because they had spent years building
it up, settled a cease and desist on a slightly altered name by
making sure a sentence referring to them as "the greatest
tribute band experience", or something like that, was superglued
to the band name.

What if it's not a tribute band, and actually
the original band is very small time? Probably
don't have the $ to go after people.....

I have been in two bands that attempted to use names trademarked by
other entities. In one case that band folded before the name
became an issue. In the other case, the band had to alter their
name to avoid a problem. The second band was rather small time,
but the town was Nashville, so folks are very aware of those
issues.

-Raf

I am going to call my next band "The Original Artists"
I wonder if K-Tel will have my ass
Around 1980, I came up with the band name "The Subdudes."
Unfortunately, I didn't have a band at the time. Then 8 or 9 years
later some rascals pulled my idea out of the cozmik consciousness
and attached it to their band.
My brother will swear I mentioned the band name to him over beers
back in 1980. Do you think I could successfully sue those
rapscallions?

LOL... Just about the same era, me and 2 buddies had a band called
"Slow Children At Play". It was a play on the street signs...
"Slow. Children at Play." turned into, "Slow Children at play." A
couple years later another few local miscreants used the same. I
always hoped they did well.

Ed

I don't think it's even possible to come up with anything completely
original any more.

A while back, I had this idea of starting a band with everyone but me
being a woman. I even had two nice people lined up to play, a bassist
and a singer who were sisters. All we needed was a drummer. It never
happened, but in the meantime I had thought of a name, half-seriously:

"Rich's Bitches".

This thread reminded me of the subject, so I did a quick Google search.
As it turns out, it's taken:

http://www.myspace.com/richs_bitches

I give up!

[George's Pro Sound Company]

I am going to call my next band "The Original Artists"
I wonder if K-Tel will have my ass
Around 1980, I came up with the band name "The Subdudes." Unfortunately,
I didn't have a band at the time. Then 8 or 9 years later some rascals
pulled my idea out of the cozmik consciousness and attached it to their
band.
My brother will swear I mentioned the band name to him over beers back in
1980. Do you think I could successfully sue those rapscallions?

LOL... Just about the same era, me and 2 buddies had a band called "Slow
Children At Play". It was a play on the street signs... "Slow. Children
at Play." turned into, "Slow Children at play." A couple years later
another few local miscreants used the same. I always hoped they did well.

Ed

I wrote a song about a girl whom got raped and her dad killing the rapist
and his thoughts as he spent the rest of his life in prison

a poignant A-Bm kinda thing
then I heard Neil Youngs 'Out on a weekend" and found it was the exact same
music, diffrent words
I have never played my song since
George

[Misifus[_2_]]

Les Cargill wrote:
Ed Edelenbos wrote:


"Sean" wrote in message
news:hedCl.20311$Db2.14435@edtnps83...
George's Pro Sound Company wrote:
"Misifus" wrote in message
...
Paul wrote:
On Apr 4, 10:12 am, dwgriffi wrote:
On Apr 4, 8:21 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:



Paul wrote:
Ok, here's another legal question:
I've read that the addition of only
one word can make a currently used band name legal
to use in a new altered form.
Like for example, would "Pink in Floyd"
or "Led Under Zeppelin", be legal names (regardless of
how horrible they sound) ?
1. If you get permission from the band they sound like, it's legal.
2. If you don't get permission from the band, whoever has the
better lawyer
and the most money to pay lawyers wins.
3. Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin are both very good about allowing
tribute
bands with similar names.
4. If the band doesn't like it, use something else that will
clearly remind
people of the band you're thinking of. For example there is
an ELP cover
band called the Brain Salad Surgeons.
--scott
The literal guideline is that if it could be construed a
misleading or
confusing you with the tributee you can't. Although in actual
practice, as Scott points out, it all depends on if they (or really
anyone associated with them who holds some ownership) are in the
mood
to care about it this year.

IIRC, a few decades ago in the northeast a tribute band, who fought
changing their name because they had spent years building it up,
settled a cease and desist on a slightly altered name by making
sure a
sentence referring to them as "the greatest tribute band
experience",
or something like that, was superglued to the band name.

What if it's not a tribute band, and actually
the original band is very small time? Probably
don't have the $ to go after people.....

I have been in two bands that attempted to use names trademarked by
other entities. In one case that band folded before the name
became an issue. In the other case, the band had to alter their
name to avoid a problem. The second band was rather small time, but
the town was Nashville, so folks are very aware of those issues.

-Raf

I am going to call my next band "The Original Artists"
I wonder if K-Tel will have my ass
Around 1980, I came up with the band name "The Subdudes."
Unfortunately, I didn't have a band at the time. Then 8 or 9 years
later some rascals pulled my idea out of the cozmik consciousness and
attached it to their band.
My brother will swear I mentioned the band name to him over beers
back in 1980. Do you think I could successfully sue those rapscallions?

LOL... Just about the same era, me and 2 buddies had a band called
"Slow Children At Play". It was a play on the street signs...
"Slow. Children at Play." turned into, "Slow Children at play." A
couple years later another few local miscreants used the same. I
always hoped they did well.

Ed

One of the people on the alt.music.4-track had an album titled that.
Pretty good record, too.

--
Les Cargill


A town near us has had a sign reading "Caution - Deaf Child At Play" in
the same spot on one street for the last 30 years. I wonder if they've
an epidemic, or is that poor child never going to grow up?

-Raf


--
Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home: http://www.rafandsioux.com

[Paul[_13_]]

On Apr 5, 7:34*pm, "RichL" wrote:
Ed Edelenbos wrote:
"Sean" wrote in message
news:hedCl.20311$Db2.14435@edtnps83...
George's Pro Sound Company wrote:
"Misifus" wrote in message
...
Paul wrote:
On Apr 4, 10:12 am, dwgriffi wrote:
On Apr 4, 8:21 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

Paul wrote:
* * * *Ok, here's another legal question:
* * * * * * *I've read that the addition of only
one word can make a currently used band name legal
to use in a new altered form.
* * * * * *Like for example, would "Pink in Floyd"
or "Led Under Zeppelin", be legal names (regardless of
how horrible they sound) ?
1. If you get permission from the band they sound like, it's
legal.
2. If you don't get permission from the band, whoever has the
better lawyer
* *and the most money to pay lawyers wins.
3. Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin are both very good about allowing
tribute
* *bands with similar names.
4. If the band doesn't like it, use something else that will
clearly remind
* *people of the band you're thinking of. *For example there is
an ELP cover
* *band called the Brain Salad Surgeons.
--scott
The literal guideline is that if it could be construed a
misleading or confusing you with the tributee you can't.
Although in actual practice, as Scott points out, it all depends
on if they (or really anyone associated with them who holds some
ownership) are in the mood to care about it this year.

IIRC, a few decades ago in the northeast a tribute band, who
fought changing their name because they had spent years building
it up, settled a cease and desist on a slightly altered name by
making sure a sentence referring to them as "the greatest
tribute band experience", or something like that, was superglued
to the band name.

* * What if it's not a tribute band, and actually
the original band is very small time? *Probably
don't have the $ to go after people.....

I have been in two bands that attempted to use names trademarked by
other entities. *In one case that band folded before the name
became an issue. In the other case, the band had to alter their
name to avoid a problem. The second band was rather small time,
but the town was Nashville, so folks are very aware of those
issues.

-Raf

I am going to call my next band *"The Original Artists"
I wonder if K-Tel will have my ass
Around 1980, I came up with the band name "The Subdudes."
Unfortunately, I didn't have a band at the time. Then 8 or 9 years
later some rascals pulled my idea out of the cozmik consciousness
and attached it to their band.
My brother will swear I mentioned the band name to him over beers
back in 1980. Do you think I could successfully sue those
rapscallions?

LOL... *Just about the same era, me and 2 buddies had a band called
"Slow Children At Play". *It was a play on the street signs...
"Slow. *Children at Play." turned into, "Slow Children at play." *A
couple years later another few local miscreants used the same. *I
always hoped they did well.

Ed

I don't think it's even possible to come up with anything completely
original any more.

A while back, I had this idea of starting a band with everyone but me
being a woman. *I even had two nice people lined up to play, a bassist
and a singer who were sisters. *All we needed was a drummer. *It never
happened, but in the meantime I had thought of a name, half-seriously:

"Rich's Bitches".

This thread reminded me of the subject, so I did a quick Google search.
As it turns out, it's taken:

http://www.myspace.com/richs_bitches

I give up!


This is exactly the point of this thread. It's quite hard to
come up with something good that has not already been thought
of. And there are quite a few bands that haven't gotten off their
feet, so it's sometimes a use-it-or-lose-it situation.

Pink Floyd had an issue, because another band had made
an album called Dark Side of the Moon....

[Les Cargill]

Ed Edelenbos wrote:


"Sean" wrote in message
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George's Pro Sound Company wrote:
"Misifus" wrote in message
...
Paul wrote:
On Apr 4, 10:12 am, dwgriffi wrote:
On Apr 4, 8:21 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:



Paul wrote:
Ok, here's another legal question:
I've read that the addition of only
one word can make a currently used band name legal
to use in a new altered form.
Like for example, would "Pink in Floyd"
or "Led Under Zeppelin", be legal names (regardless of
how horrible they sound) ?
1. If you get permission from the band they sound like, it's legal.
2. If you don't get permission from the band, whoever has the
better lawyer
and the most money to pay lawyers wins.
3. Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin are both very good about allowing
tribute
bands with similar names.
4. If the band doesn't like it, use something else that will
clearly remind
people of the band you're thinking of. For example there is
an ELP cover
band called the Brain Salad Surgeons.
--scott
The literal guideline is that if it could be construed a
misleading or
confusing you with the tributee you can't. Although in actual
practice, as Scott points out, it all depends on if they (or really
anyone associated with them who holds some ownership) are in the mood
to care about it this year.

IIRC, a few decades ago in the northeast a tribute band, who fought
changing their name because they had spent years building it up,
settled a cease and desist on a slightly altered name by making
sure a
sentence referring to them as "the greatest tribute band experience",
or something like that, was superglued to the band name.

What if it's not a tribute band, and actually
the original band is very small time? Probably
don't have the $ to go after people.....

I have been in two bands that attempted to use names trademarked by
other entities. In one case that band folded before the name became
an issue. In the other case, the band had to alter their name to
avoid a problem. The second band was rather small time, but the town
was Nashville, so folks are very aware of those issues.

-Raf

I am going to call my next band "The Original Artists"
I wonder if K-Tel will have my ass
Around 1980, I came up with the band name "The Subdudes."
Unfortunately, I didn't have a band at the time. Then 8 or 9 years
later some rascals pulled my idea out of the cozmik consciousness and
attached it to their band.
My brother will swear I mentioned the band name to him over beers back
in 1980. Do you think I could successfully sue those rapscallions?

LOL... Just about the same era, me and 2 buddies had a band called
"Slow Children At Play". It was a play on the street signs... "Slow.
Children at Play." turned into, "Slow Children at play." A couple years
later another few local miscreants used the same. I always hoped they
did well.

Ed

One of the people on the alt.music.4-track had an album titled that.
Pretty good record, too.

--
Les Cargill

[Paul Stamler[_2_]]

"Ed Edelenbos" wrote in message
...
Around 1980, I came up with the band name "The Subdudes." Unfortunately,
I didn't have a band at the time. Then 8 or 9 years later some rascals
pulled my idea out of the cozmik consciousness and attached it to their
band.
My brother will swear I mentioned the band name to him over beers back in
1980. Do you think I could successfully sue those rapscallions?

LOL... Just about the same era, me and 2 buddies had a band called "Slow
Children At Play". It was a play on the street signs... "Slow. Children
at Play." turned into, "Slow Children at play." A couple years later
another few local miscreants used the same. I always hoped they did well.

Back in the early 70s me and another guy formed a band we called "Trout
Fishing in America". It never went anywhere, of course. Later on another
band of the same name made it.

I wonder how many other bands got called that in the early 70s.

I also wonder how many bands were called the Usual Suspects. I was in a band
called that too; so far I've found 5 bands by that name, and there have been
more, I'm sure.

Peace,
Paul

[Arny Krueger]

"Paul" wrote in message

Ok, here's another legal question:

I've read that the addition of only
one word can make a currently used band name legal
to use in a new altered form.

Like for example, would "Pink in Floyd"
or "Led Under Zeppelin", be legal names (regardless of
how horrible they sound) ?

If you want to see how far a litigious company can go with protecting their
brand name from others with similar words, check out Monster Cable:

http://www.monstercablebully.com/

[Wilbur Slice]

On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 01:51:09 GMT, Sean wrote:

Around 1980, I came up with the band name "The Subdudes." Unfortunately,
I didn't have a band at the time. Then 8 or 9 years later some rascals
pulled my idea out of the cozmik consciousness and attached it to their
band.
My brother will swear I mentioned the band name to him over beers back
in 1980. Do you think I could successfully sue those rapscallions?


Hmmm... The Rapscallions... good name for a band.

wasn't there a barbershop quartet by that name back in the 80's?

[Misifus[_2_]]

Paul wrote:
On Apr 5, 7:34 pm, "RichL" wrote:
Ed Edelenbos wrote:
"Sean" wrote in message
news:hedCl.20311$Db2.14435@edtnps83...
George's Pro Sound Company wrote:
"Misifus" wrote in message
...
Paul wrote:
On Apr 4, 10:12 am, dwgriffi wrote:
On Apr 4, 8:21 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Paul wrote:
Ok, here's another legal question:
I've read that the addition of only
one word can make a currently used band name legal
to use in a new altered form.
Like for example, would "Pink in Floyd"
or "Led Under Zeppelin", be legal names (regardless of
how horrible they sound) ?
1. If you get permission from the band they sound like, it's
legal.
2. If you don't get permission from the band, whoever has the
better lawyer
and the most money to pay lawyers wins.
3. Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin are both very good about allowing
tribute
bands with similar names.
4. If the band doesn't like it, use something else that will
clearly remind
people of the band you're thinking of. For example there is
an ELP cover
band called the Brain Salad Surgeons.
--scott
The literal guideline is that if it could be construed a
misleading or confusing you with the tributee you can't.
Although in actual practice, as Scott points out, it all depends
on if they (or really anyone associated with them who holds some
ownership) are in the mood to care about it this year.
IIRC, a few decades ago in the northeast a tribute band, who
fought changing their name because they had spent years building
it up, settled a cease and desist on a slightly altered name by
making sure a sentence referring to them as "the greatest
tribute band experience", or something like that, was superglued
to the band name.
What if it's not a tribute band, and actually
the original band is very small time? Probably
don't have the $ to go after people.....
I have been in two bands that attempted to use names trademarked by
other entities. In one case that band folded before the name
became an issue. In the other case, the band had to alter their
name to avoid a problem. The second band was rather small time,
but the town was Nashville, so folks are very aware of those
issues.
-Raf
I am going to call my next band "The Original Artists"
I wonder if K-Tel will have my ass
Around 1980, I came up with the band name "The Subdudes."
Unfortunately, I didn't have a band at the time. Then 8 or 9 years
later some rascals pulled my idea out of the cozmik consciousness
and attached it to their band.
My brother will swear I mentioned the band name to him over beers
back in 1980. Do you think I could successfully sue those
rapscallions?
LOL... Just about the same era, me and 2 buddies had a band called
"Slow Children At Play". It was a play on the street signs...
"Slow. Children at Play." turned into, "Slow Children at play." A
couple years later another few local miscreants used the same. I
always hoped they did well.
Ed
I don't think it's even possible to come up with anything completely
original any more.

A while back, I had this idea of starting a band with everyone but me
being a woman. I even had two nice people lined up to play, a bassist
and a singer who were sisters. All we needed was a drummer. It never
happened, but in the meantime I had thought of a name, half-seriously:

"Rich's Bitches".

This thread reminded me of the subject, so I did a quick Google search.
As it turns out, it's taken:

http://www.myspace.com/richs_bitches

I give up!


This is exactly the point of this thread. It's quite hard to
come up with something good that has not already been thought
of. And there are quite a few bands that haven't gotten off their
feet, so it's sometimes a use-it-or-lose-it situation.

Pink Floyd had an issue, because another band had made
an album called Dark Side of the Moon....


That's a valid point, Paul. I know of many songs that share the same
title, books too, and poems. I would guess that titles are not restricted.

-Raf

--
Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home: http://www.rafandsioux.com

[MKR]

On Apr 6, 9:36*am, Misifus wrote:
Paul wrote:
On Apr 5, 7:34 pm, "RichL" wrote:
Ed Edelenbos wrote:
"Sean" wrote in message
news:hedCl.20311$Db2.14435@edtnps83...
George's Pro Sound Company wrote:
"Misifus" wrote in message
...
Paul wrote:
On Apr 4, 10:12 am, dwgriffi wrote:
On Apr 4, 8:21 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Paul wrote:
* * * *Ok, here's another legal question:
* * * * * * *I've read that the addition of only
one word can make a currently used band name legal
to use in a new altered form.
* * * * * *Like for example, would "Pink in Floyd"
or "Led Under Zeppelin", be legal names (regardless of
how horrible they sound) ?
1. If you get permission from the band they sound like, it's
legal.
2. If you don't get permission from the band, whoever has the
better lawyer
* *and the most money to pay lawyers wins.
3. Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin are both very good about allowing
tribute
* *bands with similar names.
4. If the band doesn't like it, use something else that will
clearly remind
* *people of the band you're thinking of. *For example there is
an ELP cover
* *band called the Brain Salad Surgeons.
--scott
The literal guideline is that if it could be construed a
misleading or confusing you with the tributee you can't.
Although in actual practice, as Scott points out, it all depends
on if they (or really anyone associated with them who holds some
ownership) are in the mood to care about it this year.
IIRC, a few decades ago in the northeast a tribute band, who
fought changing their name because they had spent years building
it up, settled a cease and desist on a slightly altered name by
making sure a sentence referring to them as "the greatest
tribute band experience", or something like that, was superglued
to the band name.
* * What if it's not a tribute band, and actually
the original band is very small time? *Probably
don't have the $ to go after people.....
I have been in two bands that attempted to use names trademarked by
other entities. *In one case that band folded before the name
became an issue. In the other case, the band had to alter their
name to avoid a problem. The second band was rather small time,
but the town was Nashville, so folks are very aware of those
issues.
-Raf
I am going to call my next band *"The Original Artists"
I wonder if K-Tel will have my ass
Around 1980, I came up with the band name "The Subdudes."
Unfortunately, I didn't have a band at the time. Then 8 or 9 years
later some rascals pulled my idea out of the cozmik consciousness
and attached it to their band.
My brother will swear I mentioned the band name to him over beers
back in 1980. Do you think I could successfully sue those
rapscallions?
LOL... *Just about the same era, me and 2 buddies had a band called
"Slow Children At Play". *It was a play on the street signs...
"Slow. *Children at Play." turned into, "Slow Children at play." *A
couple years later another few local miscreants used the same. *I
always hoped they did well.
Ed
I don't think it's even possible to come up with anything completely
original any more.

A while back, I had this idea of starting a band with everyone but me
being a woman. *I even had two nice people lined up to play, a bassist
and a singer who were sisters. *All we needed was a drummer. *It never
happened, but in the meantime I had thought of a name, half-seriously:

"Rich's Bitches".

This thread reminded me of the subject, so I did a quick Google search..
As it turns out, it's taken:

http://www.myspace.com/richs_bitches

I give up!

* * * This is exactly the point of this thread. *It's quite hard to
come up with something good that has not already been thought
of. *And there are quite a few bands that haven't gotten off their
feet, so it's sometimes a use-it-or-lose-it situation.

* * * Pink Floyd had an issue, because another band had made
an album called Dark Side of the Moon....

That's a valid point, Paul. *I know of many songs that share the same
title, books too, and poems. *I would guess that titles are not restricted.



Titles are not protected by US copyright law.

from the copyright faq: http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html

How do I copyright a name, title, slogan or logo?
Copyright does not protect names, titles, slogans, or short phrases.
In some cases, these things may be protected as trademarks.



I don't know about other countries.

[Mike Brown]

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message


Ok, here's another legal question:

I've read that the addition of only
one word can make a currently used band name legal
to use in a new altered form.

Like for example, would "Pink in Floyd"
or "Led Under Zeppelin", be legal names (regardless of
how horrible they sound) ?


If you want to see how far a litigious company can go with protecting their
brand name from others with similar words, check out Monster Cable:

http://www.monstercablebully.com/



A bloke out here in Australia got threatened by Virgin for using the
name "Virgin" on the front of his small local shop.

He was using his own genuine name Mike Virgin.

He stopped using it because he didn't have the money to fight them.

MJRB

[Sean[_5_]]

Mike Brown wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message


Ok, here's another legal question:

I've read that the addition of only
one word can make a currently used band name legal
to use in a new altered form.

Like for example, would "Pink in Floyd"
or "Led Under Zeppelin", be legal names (regardless of
how horrible they sound) ?


If you want to see how far a litigious company can go with protecting
their brand name from others with similar words, check out Monster Cable:

http://www.monstercablebully.com/


A bloke out here in Australia got threatened by Virgin for using the
name "Virgin" on the front of his small local shop.

He was using his own genuine name Mike Virgin.

He stopped using it because he didn't have the money to fight them.

MJRB

A kid in my town named Mike Rowe started up a little software biz with
the obvious name. Microsoft actually ended up giving the kid some
freebies in exchange for him changing his company name. But there was no
way they were going to put up with MikeRoweSoft.
And then there's the Starbucks vs Haidabucks issue.
http://www.lanebaldwin.com/hbc/about.htm

[Bill Chandler]

On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 08:08:23 GMT, "Paul Stamler"
brewed up the following, and served it to the group:

"Ed Edelenbos" wrote in message
...
Around 1980, I came up with the band name "The Subdudes." Unfortunately,
I didn't have a band at the time. Then 8 or 9 years later some rascals
pulled my idea out of the cozmik consciousness and attached it to their
band.
My brother will swear I mentioned the band name to him over beers back in
1980. Do you think I could successfully sue those rapscallions?

LOL... Just about the same era, me and 2 buddies had a band called "Slow
Children At Play". It was a play on the street signs... "Slow. Children
at Play." turned into, "Slow Children at play." A couple years later
another few local miscreants used the same. I always hoped they did well.

Back in the early 70s me and another guy formed a band we called "Trout
Fishing in America". It never went anywhere, of course. Later on another
band of the same name made it.

I wonder how many other bands got called that in the early 70s.

I also wonder how many bands were called the Usual Suspects. I was in a band
called that too; so far I've found 5 bands by that name, and there have been
more, I'm sure.

Peace,
Paul

I was in a "Usual Suspects", many years ago. Always thought that was
a great band name.

Haven't been able to track down the rest of the crew, after the band
disintegrated...except for the rhythm guitarist, who was killed in a
wreck a few years back...*sigh*...
--------
"It has yet to be proven that intelligence has any survival value." -- Arthur C. Clarke

the above e-mail address remains totally fictional.
the real one is bc9424 AT gmailspamTHIS! D0T com (if you remove spamTHIS!)
....please check out my music at http://www.soundclick.com/billchandler some time...

Bill Chandler
...bc...

[[email protected]]

On Sun, 5 Apr 2009 20:38:54 -0700 (PDT), Paul
wrote:

On Apr 5, 7:34*pm, "RichL" wrote:
Ed Edelenbos wrote:
"Sean" wrote in message
news:hedCl.20311$Db2.14435@edtnps83...
George's Pro Sound Company wrote:
"Misifus" wrote in message
...
Paul wrote:
On Apr 4, 10:12 am, dwgriffi wrote:
On Apr 4, 8:21 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

Paul wrote:
* * * *Ok, here's another legal question:
* * * * * * *I've read that the addition of only
one word can make a currently used band name legal
to use in a new altered form.
* * * * * *Like for example, would "Pink in Floyd"
or "Led Under Zeppelin", be legal names (regardless of
how horrible they sound) ?
1. If you get permission from the band they sound like, it's
legal.
2. If you don't get permission from the band, whoever has the
better lawyer
* *and the most money to pay lawyers wins.
3. Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin are both very good about allowing
tribute
* *bands with similar names.
4. If the band doesn't like it, use something else that will
clearly remind
* *people of the band you're thinking of. *For example there is
an ELP cover
* *band called the Brain Salad Surgeons.
--scott
The literal guideline is that if it could be construed a
misleading or confusing you with the tributee you can't.
Although in actual practice, as Scott points out, it all depends
on if they (or really anyone associated with them who holds some
ownership) are in the mood to care about it this year.

IIRC, a few decades ago in the northeast a tribute band, who
fought changing their name because they had spent years building
it up, settled a cease and desist on a slightly altered name by
making sure a sentence referring to them as "the greatest
tribute band experience", or something like that, was superglued
to the band name.

* * What if it's not a tribute band, and actually
the original band is very small time? *Probably
don't have the $ to go after people.....

I have been in two bands that attempted to use names trademarked by
other entities. *In one case that band folded before the name
became an issue. In the other case, the band had to alter their
name to avoid a problem. The second band was rather small time,
but the town was Nashville, so folks are very aware of those
issues.

-Raf

I am going to call my next band *"The Original Artists"
I wonder if K-Tel will have my ass
Around 1980, I came up with the band name "The Subdudes."
Unfortunately, I didn't have a band at the time. Then 8 or 9 years
later some rascals pulled my idea out of the cozmik consciousness
and attached it to their band.
My brother will swear I mentioned the band name to him over beers
back in 1980. Do you think I could successfully sue those
rapscallions?

LOL... *Just about the same era, me and 2 buddies had a band called
"Slow Children At Play". *It was a play on the street signs...
"Slow. *Children at Play." turned into, "Slow Children at play." *A
couple years later another few local miscreants used the same. *I
always hoped they did well.

Ed

I don't think it's even possible to come up with anything completely
original any more.

A while back, I had this idea of starting a band with everyone but me
being a woman. *I even had two nice people lined up to play, a bassist
and a singer who were sisters. *All we needed was a drummer. *It never
happened, but in the meantime I had thought of a name, half-seriously:

"Rich's Bitches".

This thread reminded me of the subject, so I did a quick Google search.
As it turns out, it's taken:

http://www.myspace.com/richs_bitches

I give up!


This is exactly the point of this thread. It's quite hard to
come up with something good that has not already been thought
of. And there are quite a few bands that haven't gotten off their
feet, so it's sometimes a use-it-or-lose-it situation.

Pink Floyd had an issue, because another band had made
an album called Dark Side of the Moon....

You'll have to google this, but I would point anyone with a sense of
humour and a joint handy to "Dub Side of the Moon" and "Dread
Zeppelin". Can't remember who made them but they are seriously
funky..:-)

Pete

[George's Pro Sound Company]

You'll have to google this, but I would point anyone with a sense of
humour and a joint handy to "Dub Side of the Moon" and "Dread
Zeppelin". Can't remember who made them but they are seriously
funky..:-)

Pete

I guess one mans funky is another mans annoying and all get out
george

[[email protected]]

On Apr 7, 11:24*pm, "George's Pro Sound Company"
wrote:
You'll have to google this, but I would point anyone with a sense of
humour and a joint handy to "Dub Side of the Moon" and "Dread
Zeppelin". Can't remember who made them but they are seriously
funky..:-)

Pete

I guess one mans funky is another mans annoying and all get out
george


Are you all kidding? Dread Zeppelin has been around for over 20
years and are fantastic! They do Zep (and other heavy rock) songs
reggae style with an Elvis frontman, and they truly rule, if they're
still as great as they were in 2001. Seek them out! You will
smile!!!!

[George's Pro Sound Company]

wrote in message
...
On Apr 7, 11:24 pm, "George's Pro Sound Company"
wrote:
You'll have to google this, but I would point anyone with a sense of
humour and a joint handy to "Dub Side of the Moon" and "Dread
Zeppelin". Can't remember who made them but they are seriously
funky..:-)

Pete

I guess one mans funky is another mans annoying and all get out
george


Are you all kidding? Dread Zeppelin has been around for over 20
years and are fantastic! They do Zep (and other heavy rock) songs
reggae style with an Elvis frontman, and they truly rule, if they're
still as great as they were in 2001. Seek them out! You will
smile!!!!

I have been exposed, not a fan of lame white boy refried rock done dub style
but I bet lots of what I like you don't , it is why there is choice and
freedom
so we can each dance, just to a diffrent groove
peace
george

[Paul[_13_]]

On Apr 6, 7:36*am, Misifus wrote:
Paul wrote:
On Apr 5, 7:34 pm, "RichL" wrote:
Ed Edelenbos wrote:
"Sean" wrote in message
news:hedCl.20311$Db2.14435@edtnps83...
George's Pro Sound Company wrote:
"Misifus" wrote in message
...
Paul wrote:
On Apr 4, 10:12 am, dwgriffi wrote:
On Apr 4, 8:21 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Paul wrote:
* * * *Ok, here's another legal question:
* * * * * * *I've read that the addition of only
one word can make a currently used band name legal
to use in a new altered form.
* * * * * *Like for example, would "Pink in Floyd"
or "Led Under Zeppelin", be legal names (regardless of
how horrible they sound) ?
1. If you get permission from the band they sound like, it's
legal.
2. If you don't get permission from the band, whoever has the
better lawyer
* *and the most money to pay lawyers wins.
3. Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin are both very good about allowing
tribute
* *bands with similar names.
4. If the band doesn't like it, use something else that will
clearly remind
* *people of the band you're thinking of. *For example there is
an ELP cover
* *band called the Brain Salad Surgeons.
--scott
The literal guideline is that if it could be construed a
misleading or confusing you with the tributee you can't.
Although in actual practice, as Scott points out, it all depends
on if they (or really anyone associated with them who holds some
ownership) are in the mood to care about it this year.
IIRC, a few decades ago in the northeast a tribute band, who
fought changing their name because they had spent years building
it up, settled a cease and desist on a slightly altered name by
making sure a sentence referring to them as "the greatest
tribute band experience", or something like that, was superglued
to the band name.
* * What if it's not a tribute band, and actually
the original band is very small time? *Probably
don't have the $ to go after people.....
I have been in two bands that attempted to use names trademarked by
other entities. *In one case that band folded before the name
became an issue. In the other case, the band had to alter their
name to avoid a problem. The second band was rather small time,
but the town was Nashville, so folks are very aware of those
issues.
-Raf
I am going to call my next band *"The Original Artists"
I wonder if K-Tel will have my ass
Around 1980, I came up with the band name "The Subdudes."
Unfortunately, I didn't have a band at the time. Then 8 or 9 years
later some rascals pulled my idea out of the cozmik consciousness
and attached it to their band.
My brother will swear I mentioned the band name to him over beers
back in 1980. Do you think I could successfully sue those
rapscallions?
LOL... *Just about the same era, me and 2 buddies had a band called
"Slow Children At Play". *It was a play on the street signs...
"Slow. *Children at Play." turned into, "Slow Children at play." *A
couple years later another few local miscreants used the same. *I
always hoped they did well.
Ed
I don't think it's even possible to come up with anything completely
original any more.

A while back, I had this idea of starting a band with everyone but me
being a woman. *I even had two nice people lined up to play, a bassist
and a singer who were sisters. *All we needed was a drummer. *It never
happened, but in the meantime I had thought of a name, half-seriously:

"Rich's Bitches".

This thread reminded me of the subject, so I did a quick Google search..
As it turns out, it's taken:

http://www.myspace.com/richs_bitches

I give up!

* * * This is exactly the point of this thread. *It's quite hard to
come up with something good that has not already been thought
of. *And there are quite a few bands that haven't gotten off their
feet, so it's sometimes a use-it-or-lose-it situation.

* * * Pink Floyd had an issue, because another band had made
an album called Dark Side of the Moon....

That's a valid point, Paul. *I know of many songs that share the same
title, books too, and poems. *I would guess that titles are not restricted.

* * * * -Raf

--
Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
Photos:http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home:http://www.rafandsioux.com


F*** it! I'm using the name, with an extra word in it.

The other band is most likely not going to get far.

And on the chance that WE do, just take it to court baby.

Sue me bitch!

[[email protected]]

On Apr 12, 7:29*pm, "George's Pro Sound Company"
wrote:

Are you all kidding? * Dread Zeppelin has been around for over 20
years and are fantastic! * They do Zep (and other heavy rock) songs
reggae style with an Elvis frontman, and they truly rule, if they're
still as great as they were in 2001. * Seek them out! *You will
smile!!!!

I have been exposed, not a fan of lame white boy refried rock done dub style
but I bet lots of what I like you don't , it is why there is choice and
freedom
so we can each dance, just to a diffrent groove
peace


George, but two things that set DZ apart are that it's not a serious
"We are legit dub reggae band", there's no pretensions, it's total fun
time, and also, they're completely top notch players (at least they
were a decade ago). But mainly, the frontman is an Elvis
impersonator, and their Elvis/Reggae version of Smoke On The Water is
a treat!

v

[George's Pro Sound Company]

wrote in message
...
On Apr 12, 7:29 pm, "George's Pro Sound Company"
wrote:

Are you all kidding? Dread Zeppelin has been around for over 20
years and are fantastic! They do Zep (and other heavy rock) songs
reggae style with an Elvis frontman, and they truly rule, if they're
still as great as they were in 2001. Seek them out! You will
smile!!!!

I have been exposed, not a fan of lame white boy refried rock done dub
style
but I bet lots of what I like you don't , it is why there is choice and
freedom
so we can each dance, just to a diffrent groove
peace


George, but two things that set DZ apart are that it's not a serious
"We are legit dub reggae band", there's no pretensions, it's total fun
time, and also, they're completely top notch players (at least they
were a decade ago). But mainly, the frontman is an Elvis
impersonator, and their Elvis/Reggae version of Smoke On The Water is
a treat!

v

I hope you find great enjoyment in that music
Trust me, I have been(fully) exposed and just didn't care for it
Peace

[Ben Bradley]

in rec.audio.pro,rec.music.makers.guitar.acoustic, On Sun, 5 Apr 2009
14:13:43 -0400, "George's Pro Sound Company" wrote:


I am going to call my next band "The Original Artists"
I wonder if K-Tel will have my ass


Along those same lines, someone is already using the record label
name of "A Major Record Label:"

http://www.hbdirect.com/album_detail.php?pid=612890

And others have had similar ideas with "major record" or "major
label:"
http://www.hbdirect.com/browse_popular.php?v[0]=label&label=A