I've seen a lot on Ebay and some of the online outfits are advertising
them as well. Usually around $2k, they are calling them "Top Level B
Stock" or something like that.

I guess maybe Kurz did some demo tours, etc. but there seem to be a
ton of these things out there.

Based on what people say about this unit, it's worth the full price it
normally goes for but it seems lately to be getting discounted a lot.

Analogeezer

"Analogeezer" wrote in message
What's with all the cut rate KSP8's for sale?

Users most likely sold them for an Eventide Orville or DSP series unit.
Aint nutin like having da real thing....

-- AudioGaff

"AudioGaff" wrote in message ...
"Analogeezer" wrote in message
What's with all the cut rate KSP8's for sale?

Users most likely sold them for an Eventide Orville or DSP series unit.
Aint nutin like having da real thing....

-- AudioGaff


I dunno, these are not really used units, they are being sold by
places that do not normally sell used gear. It's almost like they put
out 200 of them or so for demos and clinics and those are now
filtering out or something.

Analogeezer

"Analogeezer" wrote in message
om...

I dunno, these are not really used units, they are being sold by
places that do not normally sell used gear. It's almost like they put
out 200 of them or so for demos and clinics and those are now
filtering out or something.

A certain mailorder music shop known by some around here for their apparent
inability to remove people from their spamming lists has a number of recon
units for sale at $1995. Maybe Kurzweil turned loose some units to dealers
and that's what these shops are selling.

John

John LeBlanc wrote:


A certain mailorder music shop known by some around here for their apparent
inability to remove people from their spamming lists has a number of recon
units for sale at $1995. Maybe Kurzweil turned loose some units to dealers
and that's what these shops are selling.

No... they not only lack the ability to remove people from their 'spam list'...
but it appears they have also lost the ability to update the 'specials' on
their website. They had a couple of "B stock" units... but they're gone now...
so it's more of a "bait and switch" tactic.
--
Fletcher
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Fletcher wrote in message ...
John LeBlanc wrote:


A certain mailorder music shop known by some around here for their apparent
inability to remove people from their spamming lists has a number of recon
units for sale at $1995. Maybe Kurzweil turned loose some units to dealers
and that's what these shops are selling.

No... they not only lack the ability to remove people from their 'spam list'...
but it appears they have also lost the ability to update the 'specials' on
their website. They had a couple of "B stock" units... but they're gone now...
so it's more of a "bait and switch" tactic.

That outfit is just one of many that is offering them for around that
price...in their case "no thanks, I already gave to the Moonie
church".

I'm not in the market at the moment, but the KSP8 seems to get rave
reviews so I was wondering why so many cut rate units are out
there....maybe they did some big national demo tour or something and
these units are B stock coming off that.

One thing that I have noticed about Kurz stuff though...it comes out
really expensive, and suddenly drops about one two years out. Normal
price reductions are to be expected but in the case of the K2600 it
was a really big price drop, like $2000 worth.

Of course in that case, the Triton was taking a lot of market share
and it seems there is not anything on the market in the same league as
the KSP8 at the price it goes for.

Can you really run this box like four to eight (with the analog
expansion) separate F/X processors and have them all sound decent?
Could replace a rack of processors I guess if you were so inclined.

Analogeezer

IMO, yup, you can. It's a real good box.

Brian T

Analogeezer wrote:

Can you really run this box like four to eight (with the analog
expansion) separate F/X processors and have them all sound decent?
Could replace a rack of processors I guess if you were so inclined.

Analogeezer

Analogeezer wrote:

I have no idea how all these 'B stock' models hit the streets... with our midwestern friends,
they had like one or two units which were sold like within the hour... but they seem to have
inadvertently "forgotten" to take it off their website, so it looks like they have a ton of
them.


Can you really run this box like four to eight (with the analog
expansion) separate F/X processors and have them all sound decent?
Could replace a rack of processors I guess if you were so inclined.

Absolutely. I have the analog expansion card... mine is setup to run 4 mono inputs to 4 stereo
outputs. I generally run like a 'plate' on machine 1, a 'percussion/drum' reverb on machine 2,
some kind of 'leslie' ["rotor"] program on machine 3, and my timed delays on machine 4 [which
I'll sometimes run as two mono in, mono out events].

Flexibility is a good thing.
--
Fletcher
Mercenary Audio
TEL: 508-543-0069
FAX: 508-543-9670
http://www.mercenary.com
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Chuck Surack wrote:



Come on Fletcher..you are not playing nice!!! gr
If you were here you would see we have 4 B-Stock KSP8 units IN STOCK
and available for immediate sale. I also have more on the way. How
many do you want to buy? Why is that "bait and switch"?

Really?

I'll be more than happy to provide you with the name and phone number of at least one client (on
condition that you swear not to spam the crap out of them) that emailed over there to take
advantage of your 'B stock' special only... to be told that your shop was out of 'B stock
units'... but an "accommodation" could be arranged on an A stock unit.

Feel free to ask Brad Lyon about the brother from the Adelaide Symphony. I have a copy of the
email with all the Swee****er headers back at the office somewhere... if the client was full of
****, he went to an awful lot of time and effort to pull off the scam.

Seeing as I don't think he's full of ****... where I come from, advertising a 'B stock' box then
flipping the client into a heavily discounted 'A stock' unit as an "accommodation" is called
'bait and switch', you can call it what you will.
--
Fletcher
Mercenary Audio
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FAX: 508-543-9670
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Fletcher wrote in message ...
Chuck Surack wrote:



Come on Fletcher..you are not playing nice!!! gr
If you were here you would see we have 4 B-Stock KSP8 units IN STOCK
and available for immediate sale. I also have more on the way. How
many do you want to buy? Why is that "bait and switch"?

Really?

I'll be more than happy to provide you with the name and phone number of at least one client (on
condition that you swear not to spam the crap out of them) that emailed over there to take
advantage of your 'B stock' special only... to be told that your shop was out of 'B stock
units'... but an "accommodation" could be arranged on an A stock unit.

Feel free to ask Brad Lyon about the brother from the Adelaide Symphony. I have a copy of the
email with all the Swee****er headers back at the office somewhere... if the client was full of
****, he went to an awful lot of time and effort to pull off the scam.

Seeing as I don't think he's full of ****... where I come from, advertising a 'B stock' box then
flipping the client into a heavily discounted 'A stock' unit as an "accommodation" is called
'bait and switch', you can call it what you will.

I'd be willing to be "accomodated" if they sold me an "A stock" unit
for their "B stock" price, but I take it that's not what they would
do...

Why so many B stock units though? I mean these things are not as
common as Midiverb IV's or something but I just saw another "dealer"
on Ebay offering them for $2k or under.

I figure you gotta get the remote with that thing though, the remote
looks like the coolest remote on the planet, plus it gives you that
Lexi LARC thing going.

Analogeezer

Plus, besides just the pretty face, the remote gives you 8 rotary
encoders and a joystick that are not on the main unit. The encoders can
be assigned to your favorite parameters on a per-preset basis. Frankly,
I get around this thing about as fast as a TC 6000 with the Icon, much
to my surprise.


Brian T

Analogeezer wrote:

I figure you gotta get the remote with that thing though, the remote
looks like the coolest remote on the planet, plus it gives you that
Lexi LARC thing going.

Analogeezer

Analogeezer wrote:


I'd be willing to be "accomodated" if they sold me an "A stock" unit
for their "B stock" price, but I take it that's not what they would
do...

Well it wasn't quite that good an accommodation... but it was a few hundred off.


Why so many B stock units though? I mean these things are not as
common as Midiverb IV's or something but I just saw another "dealer"
on Ebay offering them for $2k or under.

There were 20 "B stock" units. They were from various trade shows, field rep demo units, etc. Two of
them that M-A picked up had a pretty old version of the operating system... which upon testing we
noticed and updated... but chances are pretty good the 'box joints' aren't doing that kind of testing.

The ones we saw [one of which lives in our studio as the reverb unit, the other was sold as a 'B
stock' unit for the appropriate discount] were definitely 'B stock' items on a cosmetic level.

What you may also be seeing is part of the "I-uh-no" syndrome. Kurzweil is primarily a keyboard
company... their dealers, for the most part are MI joints that would have no idea what to do with this
kind of a unit. For about the last year Kurzweil has been diligently seeking actual "pro audio" sales
firms [and I use that term somewhat loosely] for distributing the product... but some of the units
definitely ended up in hands that were very probably not equipped to be able to demo the units in the
best manner possible... so they end up punting them for low dough to recoup their capital investment.


I figure you gotta get the remote with that thing though, the remote
looks like the coolest remote on the planet, plus it gives you that
Lexi LARC thing going.

For me, the remote is absolutely necessary. There are so many aspects to each program that are
'tweezable' that being able to sit back with the little box is pretty much mandatory for me. Even
better... you can play both "Pong" and "Asteroids" on the remote which is a major plus when the client
can't make up their ****ing minds.
--
Fletcher
Mercenary Audio
TEL: 508-543-0069
FAX: 508-543-9670
http://www.mercenary.com
"this is not a problem"