[liquidator[_2_]]

"Jamie" t wrote in message
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liquidator wrote:

"Jamie" t wrote in
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George's Pro Sound Company wrote:


"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message
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the easiest way to overdrive a speaker is to use a[n] amp
larger than the speaker[']s rateing [sic]

Actually, the easiest way to overdrive a speaker is to play it at a

level

where it produces audible distortion. But as most listeners have no
idea
what distortion sounds like...


OTOH distortion does not destroy speakers, speakers are as happy to
play
distortion as clean signal
only when you exceed the heat dissipating ability of the motor do you

burn

out a speaker

clipping does not damage speakers and distortion does not damage

speakers,

its overheating and over excursion that damages speakers
distortion is one method of achieving overheating, but you can overheat

with

a spotlessly clean signal as well



Really?, I'll make sure I don't do business with you.

Btw, distortion due to amplifier saturation, even though the amp is
far belong the rating of the speaker can and does over heat the speaker
coil and thus, can terminate the life of a speaker even rated higher
than said amp.



Ahnothetr person with minimal knowledge.

George doesn't always word things the best way, but he knows a lot.

Speakers are rated for average power, over time.

Look at the area under a square wave- it is a lot larger than the area
under
a sine wave. What that means is more power for a longer time. What is
happening is the AMOUNT of power is being increased to a speaker for a
longer TIME.

Plain and simple- that is more power. It is the amout of power over time
that kills the speaker...it can only shed heat so fast, put power in
faster
than that it will burn up.

Simple..just use a bigger amp...and drive it to peak, you can blow the
speaker quickly.

Use a smaller amp, and drive it to its full power for longer, and the
speaker will blow, assuming the amp is big enough to put out that much
average power.
Either way- it is power that is the culprit. The amount of energy being
put
into the speaker...put it in faster than the speaker can sink it, you
will
have thermal failure.

It is not DC as people who skimmed one book and didn't understand it
want to
insist.

Make the amp small enough, the speaker can handle any waveform. Make the
amp
big enough and the speaker will fail instantly with any input at
all...then
there are a million scenarios in between.

I disagreee with George, I use big amps and don't blow speaker,
conversely
people are blowing their 100 watt speakers with "50 watt" amplifiers.

Take a look at an EV speaker rating...xxx watss with pink noise for xxx
hours.

Change the signal, the speaker's rating changes. Incraes the time, the
speaker's rating changes.

Square waves or severe clipping is more power for a longer time. That is
all
it is.

Not DC, not any big mystery, it's a measurable phenomenon.

I do agree with George that sizing amps and sopeakers reduces chance for
failure. But many touring companies use big amps for horns also, larger
amps
tend to hold their resale better, from a business standpoint make more
sense
to me.

Here's a semi pro example-

Loot at the price difference between a Behringer 2500 and a 1500. Not
much...but come resale time you will do a lot better with the 2500..

Business is business, I buy bigger amps. your mileage may vary.


What ever you do think you know as fact, must of come at a great expense
of destroying a lot of electronics.


Again showing your gross ignorance.
As a working pro I'm sure I paid more in taxes than you earned.

Welcome to the killfiles as the only total loss I've seen today.

Dont' bother replying, but your juvenile need to will make you do it anyway.

[Jamie[_2_]]

liquidator wrote:

"Jamie" t wrote in message
...

liquidator wrote:


"Jamie" t wrote in

message

news

George's Pro Sound Company wrote:



"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message
...



the easiest way to overdrive a speaker is to use a[n] amp
larger than the speaker[']s rateing [sic]

Actually, the easiest way to overdrive a speaker is to play it at a

level


where it produces audible distortion. But as most listeners have no

idea

what distortion sounds like...


OTOH distortion does not destroy speakers, speakers are as happy to

play

distortion as clean signal
only when you exceed the heat dissipating ability of the motor do you

burn


out a speaker

clipping does not damage speakers and distortion does not damage

speakers,


its overheating and over excursion that damages speakers
distortion is one method of achieving overheating, but you can overheat

with


a spotlessly clean signal as well




Really?, I'll make sure I don't do business with you.

Btw, distortion due to amplifier saturation, even though the amp is
far belong the rating of the speaker can and does over heat the speaker
coil and thus, can terminate the life of a speaker even rated higher
than said amp.



Ahnothetr person with minimal knowledge.

George doesn't always word things the best way, but he knows a lot.

Speakers are rated for average power, over time.

Look at the area under a square wave- it is a lot larger than the area

under

a sine wave. What that means is more power for a longer time. What is
happening is the AMOUNT of power is being increased to a speaker for a
longer TIME.

Plain and simple- that is more power. It is the amout of power over time
that kills the speaker...it can only shed heat so fast, put power in

faster

than that it will burn up.

Simple..just use a bigger amp...and drive it to peak, you can blow the
speaker quickly.

Use a smaller amp, and drive it to its full power for longer, and the
speaker will blow, assuming the amp is big enough to put out that much
average power.
Either way- it is power that is the culprit. The amount of energy being

put

into the speaker...put it in faster than the speaker can sink it, you

will

have thermal failure.

It is not DC as people who skimmed one book and didn't understand it

want to

insist.

Make the amp small enough, the speaker can handle any waveform. Make the

amp

big enough and the speaker will fail instantly with any input at

all...then

there are a million scenarios in between.

I disagreee with George, I use big amps and don't blow speaker,

conversely

people are blowing their 100 watt speakers with "50 watt" amplifiers.

Take a look at an EV speaker rating...xxx watss with pink noise for xxx
hours.

Change the signal, the speaker's rating changes. Incraes the time, the
speaker's rating changes.

Square waves or severe clipping is more power for a longer time. That is

all

it is.

Not DC, not any big mystery, it's a measurable phenomenon.

I do agree with George that sizing amps and sopeakers reduces chance for
failure. But many touring companies use big amps for horns also, larger

amps

tend to hold their resale better, from a business standpoint make more

sense

to me.

Here's a semi pro example-

Loot at the price difference between a Behringer 2500 and a 1500. Not
much...but come resale time you will do a lot better with the 2500..

Business is business, I buy bigger amps. your mileage may vary.



What ever you do think you know as fact, must of come at a great expense
of destroying a lot of electronics.



Again showing your gross ignorance.
As a working pro I'm sure I paid more in taxes than you earned.

Welcome to the killfiles as the only total loss I've seen today.

Dont' bother replying, but your juvenile need to will make you do it anyway.


Thank you very much, and don't worry, my kill file is full of idiots
like you.

P.S.
No one person is over anyone else. Just remember, every one
can be replaced with better than what you think you are.

http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5"

[Eeyore]

Jamie wrote:

liquidator wrote:

Dont' bother replying, but your juvenile need to will make you do it anyway.

Thank you very much, and don't worry, my kill file is full of idiots

You should add yourself !

[Jamie[_2_]]

Eeyore wrote:


Jamie wrote:


liquidator wrote:

Dont' bother replying, but your juvenile need to will make you do it anyway.


Thank you very much, and don't worry, my kill file is full of idiots


You should add yourself !

Oh, that's so intellectual of you.

Is that the best you got ?

http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5"