TChelvam wrote:

Dick Pierce wrote in message ...
TChelvam wrote:
Which "we" are "we" talking about?

Or, how about:

Manson, W., "Digital Sound Signals: Subjective Effect
of Timing Jitter," BBC Research Eng. Div, Great Britain,
Monograph 1974/11, 1974.

Gee, that's fully 11 years before some "we" discovered jitter.


The "we" I was refering to is people like me. Who is looking for great
sound at reasonable price.

Despite all the arguments for and against tweaks and High resolution
format, we are yet to see any one audio engineer who could throw a
challenge to whoever claim that their product improve sound. In the
name of science, has any of audio engineering society hauled up people
who sell Racing Diamond cones or green pen or snake oil? for
misleading the public?

Have you seen anyone from AMA hauled up people who advertize pills and
patches that extend certain parts of your anatomy?

Or do you believe that those treatments work because the AMA really
hasn't hauled anybody up?

Have you seen any scientific society hauled up the flat-earthers? Or the
psychics? Does that lack of action lead you to believe that the earth
may be flat? Or that psychics really work?

I used to work in audio instrumentation. I am pronouncing the green pen
as snake oil based on my technical expertise. Is that enough proof for you?

chung wrote in message ...
TChelvam wrote:

Dick Pierce wrote in message ...
TChelvam wrote:
Which "we" are "we" talking about?

Or, how about:

Manson, W., "Digital Sound Signals: Subjective Effect
of Timing Jitter," BBC Research Eng. Div, Great Britain,
Monograph 1974/11, 1974.

Gee, that's fully 11 years before some "we" discovered jitter.


The "we" I was refering to is people like me. Who is looking for great
sound at reasonable price.

Despite all the arguments for and against tweaks and High resolution
format, we are yet to see any one audio engineer who could throw a
challenge to whoever claim that their product improve sound. In the
name of science, has any of audio engineering society hauled up people
who sell Racing Diamond cones or green pen or snake oil? for
misleading the public?

Have you seen anyone from AMA hauled up people who advertize pills and
patches that extend certain parts of your anatomy?

Yes, not AMA but the US Attorney General.

"Penis enlargement" pills blasted. The Arizona Attorney General,
together with the U.S. Customs Service and the Arizona Department of
Public Safety, have seized over $30 million in luxury homes, cars,
cash, jewelry, and bank accounts throughout Arizona from Michael A.
Consoli, Vincent J. Passafiume; and Geraldine Consoli (Michael's
mother), who marketed bogus penis enlargement pills over the Internet.
Operating as C.P. Direct, Inc., the trio claimed that their product
"Longitude" would permanently enlarge the penis by 1-3 inches. A
one-month bottle cost $59.95 plus shipping and handling for the first
month and $39.95 per month thereafter, even though the company only
paid about $2.50 per bottle. [Attorney General, U.S. Customs Service,
Arizona Department of Public Safety seize more than $30 million in
assets from company selling bogus growth pills. Press release, Arizona
Attorney General, May 29, 2002]

see here www.ncahf.org/digest02/02-23.html




Or do you believe that those treatments work because the AMA really
hasn't hauled anybody up?

Have you seen any scientific society hauled up the flat-earthers? Or the
psychics? Does that lack of action lead you to believe that the earth
may be flat? Or that psychics really work?

I wasn't born then and most people were not that informative.

I used to work in audio instrumentation. I am pronouncing the green pen
as snake oil based on my technical expertise. Is that enough proof for you?

Yes, that what I am looking for because I can't hear the diffence. But
two others could. DBT? Did not really go into it because they are kept
coming up with excuses.

TChelvam wrote:

chung wrote in message ...
TChelvam wrote:

Dick Pierce wrote in message ...
TChelvam wrote:
Which "we" are "we" talking about?

Or, how about:

Manson, W., "Digital Sound Signals: Subjective Effect
of Timing Jitter," BBC Research Eng. Div, Great Britain,
Monograph 1974/11, 1974.

Gee, that's fully 11 years before some "we" discovered jitter.


The "we" I was refering to is people like me. Who is looking for great
sound at reasonable price.

Despite all the arguments for and against tweaks and High resolution
format, we are yet to see any one audio engineer who could throw a
challenge to whoever claim that their product improve sound. In the
name of science, has any of audio engineering society hauled up people
who sell Racing Diamond cones or green pen or snake oil? for
misleading the public?

Have you seen anyone from AMA hauled up people who advertize pills and
patches that extend certain parts of your anatomy?

Yes, not AMA but the US Attorney General.

Yes, the point is that it's not the scientists/engineers who hauled
people up.

And despite this action by the Arizona A.G., we're still bombarded with
these ads.


"Penis enlargement" pills blasted. The Arizona Attorney General,
together with the U.S. Customs Service and the Arizona Department of
Public Safety, have seized over $30 million in luxury homes, cars,
cash, jewelry, and bank accounts throughout Arizona from Michael A.
Consoli, Vincent J. Passafiume; and Geraldine Consoli (Michael's
mother), who marketed bogus penis enlargement pills over the Internet.
Operating as C.P. Direct, Inc., the trio claimed that their product
"Longitude" would permanently enlarge the penis by 1-3 inches. A
one-month bottle cost $59.95 plus shipping and handling for the first
month and $39.95 per month thereafter, even though the company only
paid about $2.50 per bottle. [Attorney General, U.S. Customs Service,
Arizona Department of Public Safety seize more than $30 million in
assets from company selling bogus growth pills. Press release, Arizona
Attorney General, May 29, 2002]

see here www.ncahf.org/digest02/02-23.html




Or do you believe that those treatments work because the AMA really
hasn't hauled anybody up?

Have you seen any scientific society hauled up the flat-earthers? Or the
psychics? Does that lack of action lead you to believe that the earth
may be flat? Or that psychics really work?

I wasn't born then and most people were not that informative.

The Flat Earth Society is still living and kicking, today:

http://www.flat-earth.org/

And psychics probably bring in more money than high-end audio does .


I used to work in audio instrumentation. I am pronouncing the green pen
as snake oil based on my technical expertise. Is that enough proof for you?

Yes, that what I am looking for because I can't hear the diffence.

So now you have at least one engineer publicly debunking such snake-oil
product .

But
two others could. DBT? Did not really go into it because they are kept
coming up with excuses.

They probably know in their hearts that they will not pass any rigorous
listening test.

On 6/18/04 9:43 PM, in article , "chung"
wrote:

I used to work in audio instrumentation. I am pronouncing the green pen
as snake oil based on my technical expertise. Is that enough proof for you?

Yes, that what I am looking for because I can't hear the diffence.

So now you have at least one engineer publicly debunking such snake-oil
product .

Put me in for the second! :-)