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Being a novice regarding CD recording, I hope that I am posting my
question here in the right newsgroup. If not, please guide me to the
right one.

I would like to be able to record on one CDR both audio and .PDF data
which are residing on my Windows-XP hard drive. From the information
which I gathered from the internet I understand that the audio tracks
should be placed in the first CD session and the .PDF files in the
second session.

I do not understand whether I need to record these sessions
separately, or does the software let me organize the two sessions in
advance and records them into the blank CD in one run.

Which software would be adequate for what I am trying to achieve?

Thanks in advance

AL

[Jason]

In article 0bc574c1-9518-49ec-b215-0b192e081d44
@l22g2000hsc.googlegroups.com, says...
Being a novice regarding CD recording, I hope that I am posting my
question here in the right newsgroup. If not, please guide me to the
right one.

I would like to be able to record on one CDR both audio and .PDF data
which are residing on my Windows-XP hard drive. From the information
which I gathered from the internet I understand that the audio tracks
should be placed in the first CD session and the .PDF files in the
second session.

I do not understand whether I need to record these sessions
separately, or does the software let me organize the two sessions in
advance and records them into the blank CD in one run.

Which software would be adequate for what I am trying to achieve?

Thanks in advance

AL

The Nero package supports creating mixed mode CD's containing audio &
data. You organize all the data in one session and burn the whole CD
with a single click.

Jason

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reverse my name in email address

[Scott Dorsey]

wrote:
I would like to be able to record on one CDR both audio and .PDF data
which are residing on my Windows-XP hard drive. From the information
which I gathered from the internet I understand that the audio tracks
should be placed in the first CD session and the .PDF files in the
second session.

No, you don't want to do this multisession. What you want is a multivolume
disc.

CD players are very stupid. Remember that CDs need to play on a machine
built in 1981 that uses only simple combinational logic inside. The CD
player goes to the beginning of the disc, reads a table of contents, then
starts pulling bits out and throwing them into a D/A. There is no more
intelligence in the player than that.

Computers are much more sophisticated, so when somebody in the mid-eighties
got the idea that you could store computer data on a CD, they allowed the
second volume to start someplace else than the zero mark. So you can have
BOTH an audio volume (DA volume, red book volume, whatever you want to call
it), AND a CD-ROM filesystem (yellow book volume, HSFS volume, ISO volume,
whatever you want to call it) on the disc.

Most standard CD burning software will let you do this. You create a disk
image in memory with both volumes on it, then in one fell swoop you burn it
all to the disk.

Popular software includes Jam, Nero, GEAR, etc. If you are using linux you
can do this all with the cdwrite command. If you are using a Mac you can
do it with the command line also.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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On Nov 18, 9:40 pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
wrote:
I would like to be able to record on one CDR both audio and .PDF data
which are residing on my Windows-XP hard drive. From the information
which I gathered from the internet I understand that the audio tracks
should be placed in the first CD session and the .PDF files in the
second session.

No, you don't want to do this multisession. What you want is a multivolume
disc.

CD players are very stupid. Remember that CDs need to play on a machine
built in 1981 that uses only simple combinational logic inside. The CD
player goes to the beginning of the disc, reads a table of contents, then
starts pulling bits out and throwing them into a D/A. There is no more
intelligence in the player than that.

Computers are much more sophisticated, so when somebody in the mid-eighties
got the idea that you could store computer data on a CD, they allowed the
second volume to start someplace else than the zero mark. So you can have
BOTH an audio volume (DA volume, red book volume, whatever you want to call
it), AND a CD-ROM filesystem (yellow book volume, HSFS volume, ISO volume,
whatever you want to call it) on the disc.

Most standard CD burning software will let you do this. You create a disk
image in memory with both volumes on it, then in one fell swoop you burn it
all to the disk.

Popular software includes Jam, Nero, GEAR, etc. If you are using linux you
can do this all with the cdwrite command. If you are using a Mac you can
do it with the command line also.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."


Thank you very much for your detailed explanation. However, it raises
two additional questions:

1) While searching the internet for information, I came across the
concept of multisession, but I did not encounter the concept of
multivolume. What is the difference between the two?

2) I did not purchase yet any CD/DVD burning software, but I have a
Nero version which came on the CD supplied with the CD/DVD R/W drive.
I did not see in this software any facilities for processing
multisession recordings. I assume that this software is a subset of
more comprehensive software sold separately. What should I watch for,
while shopping for software (Nero or otherwise), in order to be sure
that the software I purchase does what I want it to do?

I am using the Windows operating system.

Thanks again

AL

[Peter Larsen[_2_]]

wrote:

1) While searching the internet for information, I came across the
concept of multisession, but I did not encounter the concept of
multivolume. What is the difference between the two?

Volume is a logical term, session is a technical term. You can write a
volume in multiple sessions, just that is what you do when you add files to
a CD one at a time but dont close it to prevent additional burnings.

I am using the Windows operating system.


Beware of media players default settings. Change sound playback setting to
headphones, all the loudspeaker settings are obviously non-flat.

AL


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[hank alrich]

wrote:

1) While searching the internet for information, I came across the
concept of multisession, but I did not encounter the concept of
multivolume. What is the difference between the two?

To burn an audio track onto the CDR, and then later burn another, etc.,
is multisession - multiple iterations of the same process involving the
same data format - as opposed to burning the audio disc-at-once, where
all the audio goes down in a single burn.

Multivolume means a combination of data types, audio, plus video or/and
text, etc., burnt to a single disc.

--
ha
Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam

[Jason]

In article 081d44ff-611f-4426-8a4d-
, says...
On Nov 18, 9:40 pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
...
What should I watch for,
...

I don't know what capabilities exist in your freebie Nero software, but
in the ordinary version there is a "Mixed Mode" compilation option that
does what you are looking for.


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[Scott Dorsey]

wrote:

Thank you very much for your detailed explanation. However, it raises
two additional questions:

1) While searching the internet for information, I came across the
concept of multisession, but I did not encounter the concept of
multivolume. What is the difference between the two?

Multisession discs allow you to write something, then go back and add
another volume to the disk later on. Unfortunately when you do this
there are discontinuities between the volumes which make it impossible to
use these disks as replication masters. It's just a sloppy thing to do.

2) I did not purchase yet any CD/DVD burning software, but I have a
Nero version which came on the CD supplied with the CD/DVD R/W drive.
I did not see in this software any facilities for processing
multisession recordings. I assume that this software is a subset of
more comprehensive software sold separately. What should I watch for,
while shopping for software (Nero or otherwise), in order to be sure
that the software I purchase does what I want it to do?

Any of the standard packages should work, and that includes the regular
Nero.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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Thank you all very much for your explanations.

Your help is very much appreciated.

All the best,

AL

[D C[_2_]]

Scott Dorsey wrote:

Multisession discs allow you to write something, then go back and add
another volume to the disk later on. Unfortunately when you do this
there are discontinuities between the volumes which make it impossible to
use these disks as replication masters. It's just a sloppy thing to do.

When CD recorders first came out, and the blanks were $40 each, people
really wanted to do this. Now that the discs are a fraction of the
price, I don't see why there would be a need.

[Geoff]

D C wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote:

Multisession discs allow you to write something, then go back and add
another volume to the disk later on. Unfortunately when you do this
there are discontinuities between the volumes which make it
impossible to use these disks as replication masters. It's just a
sloppy thing to do.

When CD recorders first came out, and the blanks were $40 each, people
really wanted to do this. Now that the discs are a fraction of the
price, I don't see why there would be a need.

Multi-session discs are a somewhat different thing to Disc-At-Once written
audio CDs.

But certainly something to avoid.

geoff

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On Nov 18, 8:17 pm, wrote:
Being a novice regarding CD recording, I hope that I am posting my
question here in the right newsgroup. If not, please guide me to the
right one.

I would like to be able to record on one CDR both audio and .PDF data
which are residing on my Windows-XP hard drive. From the information
which I gathered from the internet I understand that the audio tracks
should be placed in the first CD session and the .PDF files in the
second session.

I do not understand whether I need to record these sessions
separately, or does the software let me organize the two sessions in
advance and records them into the blank CD in one run.

Which software would be adequate for what I am trying to achieve?

Thanks in advance

AL


In appreciation to all of you who responded to my inquiry in this
thread, I would like to offer some feedback regarding my search
through the net and what I have found.

Three vendors were mentioned in this thread. One of them, JAM, I could
not find anything whatsoever about. Another was GEAR. In its PRO
version it provides only one facility, called MIXED MODE, for burning
audio and files in a single Disc-At-Once burn. However, it places the
files in one track ahead of the audio tracks. Worse, my CD player
recognized all the tracks, including the first one containing the
computer files, as audio tracks. While I was careful to avoid playing
the first track, the player did correctly played the remaining ones.
Naturally, I rejected this software.

Only Nero did what I want to do. The facility to do it is called CD-
extra. As described in its documentation, it burns two sessions in a
single Disc-At-Once burn, placing the audio tracks in the first
session and the computer files in the second. The CD player recognizes
only the first session. Nero's documentation does not refer to this
burning method as "multi-volume" since it is using the term for
sessions the span two or more CDs.

One respondent, DC, expressed reservation regarding the need to
combine audio and data in the same CD because CDs are so cheap. Well,
beside saving money, there are organizational advantages of keeping
related data together; it saves a lot of headache.

I also checked other vendors in the net. I did not find any one
explicitly providing this facility.

[Peter Larsen[_2_]]

wrote:

In appreciation to all of you who responded to my inquiry in this
thread, I would like to offer some feedback regarding my search
through the net and what I have found.

Thank you!


Kind regards

Peter Larsen