On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:45:13 GMT, lcw999 wrote:

Nousaine wrote:

It must be nice to be within an occupation that allows one to use a
tool that wants to nullify your bias. I could pick and choose using
this kind of tool and convince one that "up" is down...and experience
is misleading.. ..ad infinitum! Its got to be neat!! Thankfully,
most people think this is all non-logical stuff!

If you're ever in an aircraft flying through cloud, you'd better pray
that your pilot is using his instruments, and is *not* relying on his
personal sense of 'up and down', which comes apart in these
circumstances.................pretty much like listening to hi-fi.

That makes it much easier to make resource deployment decisions that can
positively affect my overall enjoyment quotient in the most effective
manner. If I absolutely need the absolutely fastest car than I have to
buy the 911.

Er, no, you want the Carrera GT........... :-)

If I'm just interested in "fun" perhaps the Mustang will be
my choice.

Er,no, you want the Mazda MX-5.......... :-)

If I want an incredibly fast car but also want to spend $75k
on a downpayment on a new house too.... then perhaps the Corvette is
best for my application.

Maybe in the flat, straight US, but an Audi S4 or BMW M3 will destroy
it on European roads.

But these are not commodity products.

Sure they are - walk into any showroom and place your order - well,
maybe not the Carrera GT, but you *did* specify the absolute fastest!
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:45:13 GMT, lcw999 wrote:

Nousaine wrote:

It must be nice to be within an occupation that allows one to use a
tool that wants to nullify your bias. I could pick and choose using
this kind of tool and convince one that "up" is down...and experience
is misleading.. ..ad infinitum! Its got to be neat!! Thankfully,
most people think this is all non-logical stuff!

If you're ever in an aircraft flying through cloud, you'd better pray
that your pilot is using his instruments, and is *not* relying on his
personal sense of 'up and down', which comes apart in these
circumstances.................pretty much like listening to hi-fi.

That makes it much easier to make resource deployment decisions that can
positively affect my overall enjoyment quotient in the most effective
manner. If I absolutely need the absolutely fastest car than I have to
buy the 911.

Er, no, you want the Carrera GT........... :-)

If I'm just interested in "fun" perhaps the Mustang will be
my choice.

Er,no, you want the Mazda MX-5.......... :-)

If I want an incredibly fast car but also want to spend $75k
on a downpayment on a new house too.... then perhaps the Corvette is
best for my application.

Maybe in the flat, straight US, but an Audi S4 or BMW M3 will destroy
it on European roads.

But these are not commodity products.

Sure they are - walk into any showroom and place your order - well,
maybe not the Carrera GT, but you *did* specify the absolute fastest!
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

See how interesting this quickly gets? But here we're discussing equipment this
is demonstrably DIFFERENT in performance and where performance may vary with
use conditions and/or individual drivers. And it can also be documented and
demonstrated and replicated.

Unlike amp/cable/bit sound where you get arguments like: your stopwatch has
insufficient resolution....you don't have the proper related equipment .....
you don't care enough about music .... and so on all without a single
replicable demonstration that any of the cited performance actually exists.

I have another analogy. It's like watching a drag race with the cars still in
the pits and argiung about which is faster even when they never actually race.
A good friend calls high-end amps Cafe Racers ....they look great sitting in
front of the coffee house but are never going to actually race.

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 07:28:29 +0000, Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:45:13 GMT, lcw999 wrote:

Nousaine wrote:

It must be nice to be within an occupation that allows one to use a
tool that wants to nullify your bias. I could pick and choose using
this kind of tool and convince one that "up" is down...and experience
is misleading.. ..ad infinitum! Its got to be neat!! Thankfully,
most people think this is all non-logical stuff!

If you're ever in an aircraft flying through cloud, you'd better pray
that your pilot is using his instruments, and is *not* relying on his
personal sense of 'up and down', which comes apart in these
circumstances.................pretty much like listening to hi-fi.

Granted on the instrument flying...but, the listening to hi-fi
scenario is a bit of a stretch. Listening to hi-fi and drawing
a parallel to a pilot on instruments. Logic went away here.
You've got to depend on old shaky ears and all that
implies.

I understand the desire to revert everything to a
metered, instrument, precise, exactly...ad infinitum.
oh hum world ...but at this point in time we've got to live with
ye ole emotions, logic, sensory world. Sorry, but
that is the harsh reality of it all, at this point in time.



That makes it much easier to make resource deployment decisions that can
positively affect my overall enjoyment quotient in the most effective
manner. If I absolutely need the absolutely fastest car than I have to
buy the 911.

Er, no, you want the Carrera GT........... :-)

The string you were answering was a bit disjointed...however,
I agree, perhaps the Carrera GT is proper here. (Leonard...)

If I'm just interested in "fun" perhaps the Mustang will be
my choice.

Er,no, you want the Mazda MX-5.......... :-)

Agreed..MX-5, if it is the latter version of the old rotary
sports car by Mazda....Haven't kept up with Mazda last few
months. Just for fun!


If I want an incredibly fast car but also want to spend $75k
on a downpayment on a new house too.... then perhaps the Corvette is
best for my application.

Maybe in the flat, straight US, but an Audi S4 or BMW M3 will destroy
it on European roads.

Again..right on! The BMW M3 is a mean beast...just looking at its
tires one gets the feeling this is a bear! It does a lot of
things well! Drove one a few months ago..with all that rubber
on the ground it will still get away from you.


But these are not commodity products.

Sure they are - walk into any showroom and place your order - well,
maybe not the Carrera GT, but you *did* specify the absolute fastest!

Well, going on that "fastest" premise...maybe the recently upgraded
Ford GT from LeMans fame is in the run here. Granted it is not a
"commodity" item.

BTW..this might well lead to a string into the best audio system
heard in a fine automobile. Not necessarily super-bass but
just fine sounding..good stuff! I recently heard a Monsoon
based speaker system that was really a cut above.

Leonard...

lcw999 wrote:

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 07:28:29 +0000, Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

Nousaine wrote:


....lots of snips....

If I want an incredibly fast car but also want to spend $75k
on a downpayment on a new house too.... then perhaps the Corvette is
best for my application.

Maybe in the flat, straight US, but an Audi S4 or BMW M3 will destroy
it on European roads.

Again..right on! The BMW M3 is a mean beast...just looking at its
tires one gets the feeling this is a bear! It does a lot of
things well! Drove one a few months ago..with all that rubber
on the ground it will still get away from you.

It is true that America does have real roads and not just paved cow trails
(although New Jersey has some of those too) but we use Jeeps for those.