[David Morgan \(MAMS\)]

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If you can't accept that the most carefully made CDs will vary
somewhat (and I could quite happily prove it)


Then make them sound the way you want them to, one song at a time,
by using your ears.... there is no other way. Maybe when you're 60,
you'll be finished.



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David Morgan (MAMS)
http://www.m-a-m-s.com
Morgan Audio Media Service
Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901
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On Sep 6, 11:06 am, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" /Odm
wrote:
wrote in message...
If you can't accept that the most carefully made CDs will vary
somewhat (and I could quite happily prove it)

Then make them sound the way you want them to, one song at a time,
by using your ears.... there is no other way. Maybe when you're 60,
you'll be finished.


I suspect that's probably the answer, yes )

[Deputy Dumbya Dawg[_9_]]

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On Sep 6, 11:06 am, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
/Odm
wrote:
wrote in message...
If you can't accept that the most carefully made CDs will
vary
somewhat (and I could quite happily prove it)

Then make them sound the way you want them to, one song at
a time,
by using your ears.... there is no other way. Maybe when
you're 60,
you'll be finished.


I suspect that's probably the answer, yes )

If you want to hear the recordings as they were heard in the
mastering suite or control room you should be asking about how
to get your room/system to sound like a professional control
room or mastering room. Once you have an accurate room and
transparent full range equipment then maybe you will hear what
the recordings sounded like when they were created by the
artists and tech people. Then maybe you will get it.

Trying to EQ and compress each recording to satisfy your
liking on an unknown system and room response is self
indulgence and not something most other people will appreciate
like you want to. I feel you are fixin to make more problems
for yourself and others down the line, especially if one of
your processed songs is played on another system different
from the unknown one you were listening to while making your
processing choices.

Finished when you are 60 is assuming you are now 18.


peace
dawg

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On Sep 6, 4:14 pm, "Deputy Dumbya Dawg" wrote:
If you want to hear the recordings as they were heard in the
mastering suite or control room you should be asking about how
to get your room/system to sound like a professional control
room or mastering room. Once you have an accurate room and
transparent full range equipment then maybe you will hear what
the recordings sounded like when they were created by the
artists and tech people. Then maybe you will get it.
Obviously different control rooms sound different then, otherwise
recordings wouldn't vary so much!


Trying to EQ and compress each recording to satisfy your
If you'd read my question and follow-up comments you'd have noticed
I don't want compression. I'm only talking about tweaks that make it
more seamless to blend one track into another so that if someone
likeminded was listening they wouldn't be itching to tickle the tone
controls. I'm sure you would hear an immediate difference in clarity
between some dull early CDs from the mid 80s and later remasters, and
then something as smooth as Depeche Mode's Enjoy the Silence and then
as harsh as a U2 track I can't remember the name of, then some
pounding R&B tracks, etc etc etc.
Each one doesn't sound too bad in isolation, when the ear has had time
to relax in between, but leap from one to another and it's
immediately apparent if you're anywhere near as good at hearing as you
think you are.

Compare the bass-light and somewhat harsh Eurythmics with a booming
bit of dub reggae. Then, what if I'm transfering from a load of old
vinyl and my cartridge isn't particularly stellar (but good enough
with a tweak?), and a box full of old tapes that not only varied in
quality to start with but now also vary by tape quality/alignment/
biasing errors, and another box of minidiscs that I'd like to get
sorted out while I've still got something that plays them....? Heck, I
could even go through a load of FM or satellite radio stations that
all sound different... obviously these radio folk are as convinced as
you are that they know what they're doing and yet one station sounds
fine, another too bright, another as dull as dishwater!

Get a grip - sound quality varies from these so-called professionals.

liking on an unknown system and room response is self
indulgence and not something most other people will appreciate
like you want to. I feel you are fixin to make more problems
for yourself and others down the line, especially if one of
your processed songs is played on another system different
from the unknown one you were listening to while making your
processing choices.
That's exactly what I said I was wary of. I only want an easier, more
scientific way to make the small changes at home instead of later at
the radio studio.

Finished when you are 60 is assuming you are now 18.
If only - that was a long time ago! I can still hear 19kHz though )

You guys really aren't getting it, are you?

peace
I believe you.

[Scott Dorsey]

wrote:
On Sep 6, 4:14 pm, "Deputy Dumbya Dawg" wrote:
If you'd read my question and follow-up comments you'd have noticed
I don't want compression. I'm only talking about tweaks that make it
more seamless to blend one track into another so that if someone
likeminded was listening they wouldn't be itching to tickle the tone
controls.

Compression is the primary tool for doing this. Overall compression to
equalize levels, and multiband compression for rough equalization of
tone.

I'm sure you would hear an immediate difference in clarity
between some dull early CDs from the mid 80s and later remasters, and
then something as smooth as Depeche Mode's Enjoy the Silence and then
as harsh as a U2 track I can't remember the name of, then some
pounding R&B tracks, etc etc etc.

Yes, it's supposed to be that way. They are intended to be different tonally
for a reason.

Each one doesn't sound too bad in isolation, when the ear has had time
to relax in between, but leap from one to another and it's
immediately apparent if you're anywhere near as good at hearing as you
think you are.

Yes, this is true. This is why you can't just mix tracks randomly and
expect them to sound good. It doesn't work that way.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Laurence Payne]

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 09:21:31 -0700, wrote:

If you'd read my question and follow-up comments you'd have noticed
I don't want compression. I'm only talking about tweaks that make it
more seamless to blend one track into another so that if someone
likeminded was listening they wouldn't be itching to tickle the tone
controls. I'm sure you would hear an immediate difference in clarity
between some dull early CDs from the mid 80s and later remasters, and
then something as smooth as Depeche Mode's Enjoy the Silence and then
as harsh as a U2 track I can't remember the name of, then some
pounding R&B tracks, etc etc etc.
Each one doesn't sound too bad in isolation, when the ear has had time
to relax in between, but leap from one to another and it's
immediately apparent if you're anywhere near as good at hearing as you
think you are.


Your question wasn't ridiculous. But you rattled the monkey-cage and
you won't stop them jumping up and down now :-)

Leave it a bit, and come back with a question about e.g. a box of tape
copies (they'll LIKE it being about tape :-) all dubbed by different
people on different equipment, and how best to renovate them. Then
you'll maybe get some useful answers.

Actually, better not make it tape. They'll only start telling you to
buy 20 different playback machines and have orgasms over Nak Dragons
:-)

[Deputy Dumbya Dawg[_9_]]

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On Sep 6, 4:14 pm, "Deputy Dumbya Dawg"
wrote:
If you want to hear the recordings as they were heard in
the
mastering suite or control room you should be asking about
how
to get your room/system to sound like a professional
control
room or mastering room. Once you have an accurate room and
transparent full range equipment then maybe you will hear
what
the recordings sounded like when they were created by the
artists and tech people. Then maybe you will get it.
Obviously different control rooms sound different then,
otherwise
recordings wouldn't vary so much!

Perhaps the music, musicians, engineers and mixers and
mastering engineers have something to do with it too.


peace
dawg

[Allen Corneau]

On 9/6/07 2:43 PM, in article , "Deputy
Dumbya Dawg" wrote:


Perhaps the music, musicians, engineers and mixers and
mastering engineers have something to do with it too.


No, it's all about the gear, at least that's what the salesman down at
Guitar Center told me!

:-P


Allen
--
Allen Corneau
Mastering Engineer
Essential Sound Mastering
www.esmastering.com