[Trevor Wilson]

"CB" wrote in message
...

"nebulax" wrote in message
...
"We are captives, the majority here, of the NRA. To hell with the NRA!
What
about the society? I don't get it." - Rep. Alcee L. Hastings, D-Fla

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n2698141.shtml



The more guns 'LAW ABIDING CITIZENS' have the less a dirt bags will have
to carry out dirt deeds!

**How's that working for ya? Let's see:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...rms-per-capita

There's the US at #8, with 0.0279271/1,000 people. Now, where's the next
nearest Western, developed nation?

Here it is. Down at #19, with 0.00534117/1,000 people. Can the Swiss carry
concealed guns around the streets? Nope. In fact, no other Western,
developed nation allows it's people to carry concealed guns around the
streets. Only in the US. In fact, the Swiss, like all the other Western,
devloped nations have very tough, sane and homogenous gun control laws. By
an amazing coincidence, the US also has the highest (by a very considerable
margin) homicide rate, via the use of firearms, of any Western, developed
nation.


It's not the gun you ass, it's the criminal mind that puts thought into
action

**Yadda, yadda, yadda. You suck up that **** shovelled to you by the NRA.
It's working real well for you.

NOT!


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On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 05:02:31 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


"CB" wrote in message
.. .

"nebulax" wrote in message
...
"We are captives, the majority here, of the NRA. To hell with the NRA!
What
about the society? I don't get it." - Rep. Alcee L. Hastings, D-Fla

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n2698141.shtml



The more guns 'LAW ABIDING CITIZENS' have the less a dirt bags will have
to carry out dirt deeds!

**How's that working for ya? Let's see:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...rms-per-capita

There's the US at #8, with 0.0279271/1,000 people. Now, where's the next
nearest Western, developed nation?

Here it is. Down at #19, with 0.00534117/1,000 people. Can the Swiss carry
concealed guns around the streets? Nope.

Yes.


In fact, no other Western,
developed nation allows it's people to carry concealed guns around the
streets. Only in the US. In fact, the Swiss, like all the other Western,
devloped nations have very tough, sane and homogenous gun control laws.

Bull****. GO read them.


By
an amazing coincidence, the US also has the highest (by a very considerable
margin) homicide rate, via the use of firearms, of any Western, developed
nation.


It's not the gun you ass, it's the criminal mind that puts thought into
action

**Yadda, yadda, yadda. You suck up that **** shovelled to you by the NRA.
It's working real well for you.

NOT!


--
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www.rageaudio.com.au

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[Trevor Wilson]

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 05:02:31 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


"CB" wrote in message
. ..

"nebulax" wrote in message
...
"We are captives, the majority here, of the NRA. To hell with the NRA!
What
about the society? I don't get it." - Rep. Alcee L. Hastings, D-Fla

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n2698141.shtml



The more guns 'LAW ABIDING CITIZENS' have the less a dirt bags will have
to carry out dirt deeds!

**How's that working for ya? Let's see:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...rms-per-capita

There's the US at #8, with 0.0279271/1,000 people. Now, where's the next
nearest Western, developed nation?

Here it is. Down at #19, with 0.00534117/1,000 people. Can the Swiss carry
concealed guns around the streets? Nope.

Yes.

**Incorrect. I suggest you acquaint yourself with Swiss gun control laws.
They are MUCH tougher, saner and, most importantly, homogenous than US gun
control laws.



In fact, no other Western,
developed nation allows it's people to carry concealed guns around the
streets. Only in the US. In fact, the Swiss, like all the other Western,
devloped nations have very tough, sane and homogenous gun control laws.

Bull****. GO read them.

**I HAVE read them. I suggest you read them. You will be in for a bit of a
surprise. The Swiss employ VERY tough gun control laws.



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www.rageaudio.com.au



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[dave weil]

On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:12:28 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 05:02:31 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


"CB" wrote in message
.. .

"nebulax" wrote in message
...
"We are captives, the majority here, of the NRA. To hell with the NRA!
What
about the society? I don't get it." - Rep. Alcee L. Hastings, D-Fla

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n2698141.shtml



The more guns 'LAW ABIDING CITIZENS' have the less a dirt bags will have
to carry out dirt deeds!

**How's that working for ya? Let's see:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...rms-per-capita

There's the US at #8, with 0.0279271/1,000 people. Now, where's the next
nearest Western, developed nation?

Here it is. Down at #19, with 0.00534117/1,000 people. Can the Swiss carry
concealed guns around the streets? Nope.

Yes.

**Incorrect. I suggest you acquaint yourself with Swiss gun control laws.
They are MUCH tougher, saner and, most importantly, homogenous than US gun
control laws.



In fact, no other Western,
developed nation allows it's people to carry concealed guns around the
streets. Only in the US. In fact, the Swiss, like all the other Western,
devloped nations have very tough, sane and homogenous gun control laws.

Bull****. GO read them.

**I HAVE read them. I suggest you read them. You will be in for a bit of a
surprise. The Swiss employ VERY tough gun control laws.

But they DO issue concealed carry permits to private individuals.

It's impossible to compare a small homogeneous and upper middle class
society like Switzerland with a country like the US as the pro-gun
people like to do. After all, the citizenry *is* actually the
well-regulated militia mentioned in the 2nd Amendment as the the sole
reason for not restricting gun ownership. Plus, there's very little
"underclass".

[Trevor Wilson]

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:12:28 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 05:02:31 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


"CB" wrote in message
. ..

"nebulax" wrote in message
...
"We are captives, the majority here, of the NRA. To hell with the
NRA!
What
about the society? I don't get it." - Rep. Alcee L. Hastings, D-Fla

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n2698141.shtml



The more guns 'LAW ABIDING CITIZENS' have the less a dirt bags will
have
to carry out dirt deeds!

**How's that working for ya? Let's see:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...rms-per-capita

There's the US at #8, with 0.0279271/1,000 people. Now, where's the next
nearest Western, developed nation?

Here it is. Down at #19, with 0.00534117/1,000 people. Can the Swiss
carry
concealed guns around the streets? Nope.

Yes.

**Incorrect. I suggest you acquaint yourself with Swiss gun control laws.
They are MUCH tougher, saner and, most importantly, homogenous than US gun
control laws.



In fact, no other Western,
developed nation allows it's people to carry concealed guns around the
streets. Only in the US. In fact, the Swiss, like all the other Western,
devloped nations have very tough, sane and homogenous gun control laws.

Bull****. GO read them.

**I HAVE read them. I suggest you read them. You will be in for a bit of a
surprise. The Swiss employ VERY tough gun control laws.

But they DO issue concealed carry permits to private individuals.

**Only in VERY rare circumstances. VERY rare indeed. The situation is
nothing like the jurisdictions of the US where such things are allowed.


It's impossible to compare a small homogeneous and upper middle class
society like Switzerland with a country like the US as the pro-gun
people like to do.

**Then compare it to:
Australia
Germany
The Netherlands
The UK
France
Sweden
Etc

ALL have MUCH tougher gun control laws than the US. None allow citizens to
carry guns concealed in the same way as those jurisdictions of the US where
such things are allowed. ALL enjoy a vastly lower homicide rate via gunshot.
Coincidence?

After all, the citizenry *is* actually the
well-regulated militia mentioned in the 2nd Amendment

**That is open to interpretation. In any case, don't you imagine that the US
Founding Fathers may well have framed the 2nd Amendment somewhat
differently, had they known about the situation which the US finds itself in
today? Consider, when the 2nd Amendment was framed:

* America was ruled by a vicious, high taxing foreign power.
* Dangerous animals roamed free.
* Dangerous native roamed free.
* Dangerous slaves had to be contained.
* Food had to be shot and preservation methods were primitive.
* Reloading times for typical firearms was in the order of MINUTES, not
milliseconds.


as the the sole
reason for not restricting gun ownership. Plus, there's very little
"underclass".

**Wrong.

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www.rageaudio.com.au



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[George M. Middius]

Trevor Wilson said:

After all, the citizenry *is* actually the
well-regulated militia mentioned in the 2nd Amendment

**That is open to interpretation. In any case, don't you imagine that the US
Founding Fathers may well have framed the 2nd Amendment somewhat
differently, had they known about the situation which the US finds itself in
today?

He was talking about the citizenry of Switzerland, not the USA.




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[Trevor Wilson]

"George M. Middius" cmndr _ george @ comcast . net wrote in message
...


Trevor Wilson said:

After all, the citizenry *is* actually the
well-regulated militia mentioned in the 2nd Amendment

**That is open to interpretation. In any case, don't you imagine that the
US
Founding Fathers may well have framed the 2nd Amendment somewhat
differently, had they known about the situation which the US finds itself
in
today?

He was talking about the citizenry of Switzerland, not the USA.

**D'oh! (Smacks head)


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www.rageaudio.com.au



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[dave weil]

On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:59:46 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:12:28 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 05:02:31 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


"CB" wrote in message
...

"nebulax" wrote in message
...
"We are captives, the majority here, of the NRA. To hell with the
NRA!
What
about the society? I don't get it." - Rep. Alcee L. Hastings, D-Fla

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n2698141.shtml



The more guns 'LAW ABIDING CITIZENS' have the less a dirt bags will
have
to carry out dirt deeds!

**How's that working for ya? Let's see:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...rms-per-capita

There's the US at #8, with 0.0279271/1,000 people. Now, where's the next
nearest Western, developed nation?

Here it is. Down at #19, with 0.00534117/1,000 people. Can the Swiss
carry
concealed guns around the streets? Nope.

Yes.

**Incorrect. I suggest you acquaint yourself with Swiss gun control laws.
They are MUCH tougher, saner and, most importantly, homogenous than US gun
control laws.



In fact, no other Western,
developed nation allows it's people to carry concealed guns around the
streets. Only in the US. In fact, the Swiss, like all the other Western,
devloped nations have very tough, sane and homogenous gun control laws.

Bull****. GO read them.

**I HAVE read them. I suggest you read them. You will be in for a bit of a
surprise. The Swiss employ VERY tough gun control laws.

But they DO issue concealed carry permits to private individuals.

**Only in VERY rare circumstances. VERY rare indeed. The situation is
nothing like the jurisdictions of the US where such things are allowed.

That's how YOU categorize it. Of course you offer no citations. So
you're just as speculative as the guy who claimed 1.000.000 plus gun
defenses.

It *is* more tightly controlled, there's no doubt. But there's also no
doubt that there Switzerland allows private citizens to carry
concealed weapons on the street.

It's impossible to compare a small homogeneous and upper middle class
society like Switzerland with a country like the US as the pro-gun
people like to do.

**Then compare it to:
Australia
Germany
The Netherlands
The UK
France
Sweden
Etc

Feel free to. YOu missed my point, in that it's illogical to try to
use the Swiss in an anti-gun control argument.

Besides, about the only country in the above list that would really
compare to the Swiss is Sweden.

ALL have MUCH tougher gun control laws than the US. None allow citizens to
carry guns concealed in the same way as those jurisdictions of the US where
such things are allowed. ALL enjoy a vastly lower homicide rate via gunshot.
Coincidence?

You're preaching to the choir. I guess because it's me, you feel like
you've got to take a contrary stance shrug.

After all, the citizenry *is* actually the
well-regulated militia mentioned in the 2nd Amendment

**That is open to interpretation.

You don't think that the citizenry of Switzerland is a well-regulated
militia? Odd.

In any case, don't you imagine that the US
Founding Fathers may well have framed the 2nd Amendment somewhat
differently, had they known about the situation which the US finds itself in
today?

Personally, I think I know what they meant when they started the
sentence "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of
a free State". I think that the idea of gun ownership is wrapped up in
the idea of a militia. They said nothing about hunting (which at the
time was very important to the survival of many citizens), nor did
they say anything about *any* sporting use of weapons.

Consider, when the 2nd Amendment was framed:

* America was ruled by a vicious, high taxing foreign power.
* Dangerous animals roamed free.
* Dangerous native roamed free.
* Dangerous slaves had to be contained.
* Food had to be shot and preservation methods were primitive.
* Reloading times for typical firearms was in the order of MINUTES, not
milliseconds.


as the the sole
reason for not restricting gun ownership. Plus, there's very little
"underclass".

**Wrong.

Oh really? Switzerland has a large underclass, does it? I think that's
news to everybody.
\
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

[.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com]

On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 06:42:56 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:59:46 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:12:28 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


wrote in message
m...
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 05:02:31 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


"CB" wrote in message
m...

"nebulax" wrote in message
...
"We are captives, the majority here, of the NRA. To hell with the
NRA!
What
about the society? I don't get it." - Rep. Alcee L. Hastings, D-Fla

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n2698141.shtml



The more guns 'LAW ABIDING CITIZENS' have the less a dirt bags will
have
to carry out dirt deeds!

**How's that working for ya? Let's see:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...rms-per-capita

There's the US at #8, with 0.0279271/1,000 people. Now, where's the next
nearest Western, developed nation?

Here it is. Down at #19, with 0.00534117/1,000 people. Can the Swiss
carry
concealed guns around the streets? Nope.

Yes.

**Incorrect. I suggest you acquaint yourself with Swiss gun control laws.
They are MUCH tougher, saner and, most importantly, homogenous than US gun
control laws.



In fact, no other Western,
developed nation allows it's people to carry concealed guns around the
streets. Only in the US. In fact, the Swiss, like all the other Western,
devloped nations have very tough, sane and homogenous gun control laws.

Bull****. GO read them.

**I HAVE read them. I suggest you read them. You will be in for a bit of a
surprise. The Swiss employ VERY tough gun control laws.

But they DO issue concealed carry permits to private individuals.

**Only in VERY rare circumstances. VERY rare indeed. The situation is
nothing like the jurisdictions of the US where such things are allowed.

That's how YOU categorize it. Of course you offer no citations. So
you're just as speculative as the guy who claimed 1.000.000 plus gun
defenses.

No, he's MUCH more - he's pulling nonsense out of his ass, I
am taking about facts. For instance -

http://www.guncite.com/tpgswiss.html

"Purchase of handguns is licensed on a "must issue" basis at the
cantonal (state) level, with "firearms purchase certificates" issued
to all adult residents without criminal records or history of mental
illness."

{'Must issue' means ' they can not turn you down, except in very
limited situations and for very specific reasons, like if you're a
nutter. We have exactly the same thing here in Wake County. }

"There are no restrictions on the carrying of long guns, and only
fifteen of the twenty-six cantons require carry permits for handguns
(which usually require that "necessity" for carrying the handgun be
demonstrated). "

http://www.guncite.com/swiss_gun_law.html

http://www.guncite.com/swissgun.html


In any case, don't you imagine that the US
Founding Fathers may well have framed the 2nd Amendment somewhat
differently, had they known about the situation which the US finds itself in
today?

Yes - they would have left out the poorly phrased part about
the militia, which confuses some people.


Personally, I think I know what they meant when they started the
sentence "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of
a free State". I think that the idea of gun ownership is wrapped up in
the idea of a militia. They said nothing about hunting (which at the
time was very important to the survival of many citizens), nor did
they say anything about *any* sporting use of weapons.

Nor did they mention personal self-defense. However, it
buggers belief to suggest that they intended to leave the right to
hunt for food ( as you say, a basic survival issue at the time ), and
to defend ones self, as 'non-rights' that the government could take
away.

In your reading of the 2nd as 'saying that states can have
militias', you fly in the face of every other part of the C, and most
especially the BOR. The BOR is about the rights of THE PEOPLE, not
THE STATE. And yet, you choose to say that the 2nd Amendment, and
ONLY the 2nd one, gives a right to the STATE. Nonsense.

A1 - "right of the people peaceably to assemble" - are you saying that
means that states can get together ?

A4 - "The right of the people to be secure in their persons," - you
claim the words 'the people' refer to the state ?

A9 - "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall
not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
- do you claim this reserves unenumerated rights to the STATES ? Or
the PEOPLE ( individuals ) ?

A10 - "The powers not delegated to the United States by the
Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the
states respectively, or to the people. " - wow, it seems they were
fully capable of specifying 'the states' when they wanted, huh ?




Consider, when the 2nd Amendment was framed:

* America was ruled by a vicious, high taxing foreign power.
* Dangerous animals roamed free.
* Dangerous native roamed free.
* Dangerous slaves had to be contained.
* Food had to be shot and preservation methods were primitive.
* Reloading times for typical firearms was in the order of MINUTES, not
milliseconds.


as the the sole
reason for not restricting gun ownership. Plus, there's very little
"underclass".

**Wrong.

Oh really? Switzerland has a large underclass, does it? I think that's
news to everybody.
\
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www.rageaudio.com.au

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"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:12:28 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 05:02:31 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


"CB" wrote in message
. ..

"nebulax" wrote in message
...
"We are captives, the majority here, of the NRA. To hell with the
NRA!
What
about the society? I don't get it." - Rep. Alcee L. Hastings, D-Fla

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n2698141.shtml



The more guns 'LAW ABIDING CITIZENS' have the less a dirt bags will
have
to carry out dirt deeds!

**How's that working for ya? Let's see:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...rms-per-capita

There's the US at #8, with 0.0279271/1,000 people. Now, where's the next
nearest Western, developed nation?

Here it is. Down at #19, with 0.00534117/1,000 people. Can the Swiss
carry
concealed guns around the streets? Nope.

Yes.

**Incorrect. I suggest you acquaint yourself with Swiss gun control laws.
They are MUCH tougher, saner and, most importantly, homogenous than US gun
control laws.



In fact, no other Western,
developed nation allows it's people to carry concealed guns around the
streets. Only in the US. In fact, the Swiss, like all the other Western,
devloped nations have very tough, sane and homogenous gun control laws.

Bull****. GO read them.

**I HAVE read them. I suggest you read them. You will be in for a bit of a
surprise. The Swiss employ VERY tough gun control laws.

But they DO issue concealed carry permits to private individuals.

It's impossible to compare a small homogeneous and upper middle class
society like Switzerland with a country like the US as the pro-gun
people like to do. After all, the citizenry *is* actually the
well-regulated militia mentioned in the 2nd Amendment as the the sole
reason for not restricting gun ownership.

**As per George's correction, I acknowledge that you are correct here.



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www.rageaudio.com.au



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[dave weil]

On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 14:35:03 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:

It's impossible to compare a small homogeneous and upper middle class
society like Switzerland with a country like the US as the pro-gun
people like to do. After all, the citizenry *is* actually the
well-regulated militia mentioned in the 2nd Amendment as the the sole
reason for not restricting gun ownership.

**As per George's correction, I acknowledge that you are correct here.

Then ignore my correction.

I probably could hae phrased it a little differently as to separate
the first part of the sentence with the last part.

[Trevor Wilson]

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 14:35:03 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:

It's impossible to compare a small homogeneous and upper middle class
society like Switzerland with a country like the US as the pro-gun
people like to do. After all, the citizenry *is* actually the
well-regulated militia mentioned in the 2nd Amendment as the the sole
reason for not restricting gun ownership.

**As per George's correction, I acknowledge that you are correct here.

Then ignore my correction.

I probably could hae phrased it a little differently as to separate
the first part of the sentence with the last part.

**Perhaps, but the meaning was clear enough, AFTER I read it carefully.


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[avidlistener]

On Apr 20, 12:02 pm, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:
"CB" wrote in message

...



"nebulax" wrote in message
.. .
"We are captives, the majority here, of the NRA. To hell with the NRA!
What
about the society? I don't get it." - Rep. Alcee L. Hastings, D-Fla

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...tico/main26981...

The more guns 'LAW ABIDING CITIZENS' have the less a dirt bags will have
to carry out dirt deeds!

**How's that working for ya? Let's see:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...p-crime-murder...

There's the US at #8, with 0.0279271/1,000 people. Now, where's the next
nearest Western, developed nation?

Here it is. Down at #19, with 0.00534117/1,000 people. Can the Swiss carry
concealed guns around the streets? Nope. In fact, no other Western,
developed nation allows it's people to carry concealed guns around the
streets. Only in the US. In fact, the Swiss, like all the other Western,
devloped nations have very tough, sane and homogenous gun control laws. By
an amazing coincidence, the US also has the highest (by a very considerable
margin) homicide rate, via the use of firearms, of any Western, developed
nation.



It's not the gun you ass, it's the criminal mind that puts thought into
action

**Yadda, yadda, yadda. You suck up that **** shovelled to you by the NRA.
It's working real well for you.

NOT!

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The stats are from the FBI and they have been the same regardless of
administrations. The NRA does not run the government, they just keep
reminding folks of the reason the 2nd amendment was included and how
many other rights have been chipped away.

[Trevor Wilson]

"avidlistener" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Apr 20, 12:02 pm, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:
"CB" wrote in message

...



"nebulax" wrote in message
.. .
"We are captives, the majority here, of the NRA. To hell with the NRA!
What
about the society? I don't get it." - Rep. Alcee L. Hastings, D-Fla

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...tico/main26981...

The more guns 'LAW ABIDING CITIZENS' have the less a dirt bags will
have
to carry out dirt deeds!

**How's that working for ya? Let's see:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...p-crime-murder...

There's the US at #8, with 0.0279271/1,000 people. Now, where's the next
nearest Western, developed nation?

Here it is. Down at #19, with 0.00534117/1,000 people. Can the Swiss
carry
concealed guns around the streets? Nope. In fact, no other Western,
developed nation allows it's people to carry concealed guns around the
streets. Only in the US. In fact, the Swiss, like all the other Western,
devloped nations have very tough, sane and homogenous gun control laws.
By
an amazing coincidence, the US also has the highest (by a very
considerable
margin) homicide rate, via the use of firearms, of any Western, developed
nation.



It's not the gun you ass, it's the criminal mind that puts thought into
action

**Yadda, yadda, yadda. You suck up that **** shovelled to you by the NRA.
It's working real well for you.

NOT!

--
The stats are from the FBI and they have been the same regardless of
administrations.

***WTF are on about?

The NRA does not run the government, they just keep
reminding folks of the reason the 2nd amendment was included and how
many other rights have been chipped away.

**No. The NRA acts in the political system to ensure that the gun
manufacturers have their needs served (to sell as many guns as they can), by
whatever means they find necessary. The NRA bullies and cajoles to ensure
that occurs. The NRA has employed primitive, but effective methods to
brainwash large segments of the US population to believe that the NRA and
the Second Amendment are necessary to their well-being. The NRA is pure
evil. They have zero interest in the long term well-being of the US. They
are acting for purely commercial reasons. This was not always the case. The
NRA was once a noble and decent organisation, which cared for the welfare of
the working man. Sometime in the 1960s, their purpose became perverted and
twisted.

Shame on you for not being more circumspect.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au



--
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[avidlistener]

On Apr 25, 10:37 pm, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:
"avidlistener" wrote in message

oups.com...



On Apr 20, 12:02 pm, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:
"CB" wrote in message

. ..

"nebulax" wrote in message
.. .
"We are captives, the majority here, of the NRA. To hell with the NRA!
What
about the society? I don't get it." - Rep. Alcee L. Hastings, D-Fla

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...tico/main26981...

The more guns 'LAW ABIDING CITIZENS' have the less a dirt bags will
have
to carry out dirt deeds!

**How's that working for ya? Let's see:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...p-crime-murder...

There's the US at #8, with 0.0279271/1,000 people. Now, where's the next
nearest Western, developed nation?

Here it is. Down at #19, with 0.00534117/1,000 people. Can the Swiss
carry
concealed guns around the streets? Nope. In fact, no other Western,
developed nation allows it's people to carry concealed guns around the
streets. Only in the US. In fact, the Swiss, like all the other Western,
devloped nations have very tough, sane and homogenous gun control laws.
By
an amazing coincidence, the US also has the highest (by a very
considerable
margin) homicide rate, via the use of firearms, of any Western, developed
nation.

It's not the gun you ass, it's the criminal mind that puts thought into
action

**Yadda, yadda, yadda. You suck up that **** shovelled to you by the NRA.
It's working real well for you.

NOT!

--
The stats are from the FBI and they have been the same regardless of
administrations.

***WTF are on about?

The NRA does not run the government, they just keep

reminding folks of the reason the 2nd amendment was included and how
many other rights have been chipped away.

**No. The NRA acts in the political system to ensure that the gun
manufacturers have their needs served (to sell as many guns as they can), by
whatever means they find necessary. The NRA bullies and cajoles to ensure
that occurs. The NRA has employed primitive, but effective methods to
brainwash large segments of the US population to believe that the NRA and
the Second Amendment are necessary to their well-being. The NRA is pure
evil. They have zero interest in the long term well-being of the US. They
are acting for purely commercial reasons. This was not always the case. The
NRA was once a noble and decent organisation, which cared for the welfare of
the working man. Sometime in the 1960s, their purpose became perverted and
twisted.


Trevor, you are a loon. Despite whatever efforts you think the NRA
makes, the number of guns in circulation has remained fairly constant
for decades, no matter the crime rate. The NRA want anyone who owns a
gun to properly trained in the safe usage of these weapons, and for
good reason. Those who have such training are not going to be a
problem. Their purpose is the same as it ever was, the change you
preceive is due to the fact that the 60's was the time when the anti-
gun lobby started trying to gu the 2nd Ammendment.


Shame on you for not being more circumspect.

--
Shame on you for not doing your homework.

[dave weil]

On 25 Apr 2007 22:28:42 -0700, avidlistener
wrote:

The stats are from the FBI and they have been the same regardless of
administrations. The NRA does not run the government, they just keep
reminding folks of the reason the 2nd amendment was included and how
many other rights have been chipped away.

I hope they turn their attention to the Patriot Act pretty soon
then...