[Fran Guidry]

On Feb 17, 12:01 pm, wrote:
"Baabin" wrote in message

...



Let's see,

Sony has a neat little rig for about $2,000.00( the PCM-D1), Edirol (R-9)
and M-Audio (Micro-Track) have ones for about $400, and for about $100
less
the Samson Zoom H4.

The Sound Professionals site
(http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cg...d/category.cgi) has an
interesting section that will allow you to make a logical decision I
think.
However (it doesn't have the Sony so you will have to go to their site at
http://bssc.sel.sony.com/broadcastandbusinessfor more info). I reference
them because they are a well known organization and are fairly neutral in
reviews with little or no personal preference tainting the review.

I have and really like the H4, and it sets up in less than 5 minutes in
the
basic mode. If you want to add stands and external mikes to it then it
takes
longer but the 5 minutes I mention is to take it out of a protective
case,
put it on a tripod, and start recording... Let me know what you think.

Smitty

Has anyone compared the Zoom H4, the M-Audio Micro-Track and the Edirol R-9?
If so, what are the relative advantages and drawbacks of the 3?

Was your choice of the H4 due to the price, or to other factors?

Thanks,

Norm

Mark Nelson has done such a comparison and published the results at
the O'Reilly Digital Media webzine:

http://tinyurl.com/35wmse links to a search on Edirol.

Fran

[paul]

"Scott Fraser" wrote in message
oups.com...
you are an asshole first,

Are you sure about that? I haven't purused the cast of characters in a
while, but if memory serves me right, I'm pretty sure that Ty isn't
the guy who is an asshole first. Check your sources & get back to us.

Scott Fraser


Ty has been an asshole and a hypocrite, and struts around with a "holier
than thou" attitude. he brought that attitude here to this thread. he hasn't
changed much in the 5 years i have been lurking here. thats just my opinion.
he asked, and i answered. if he is your friend or if you disagree with me,
thats fine. its a free country. i was just trying to be honest with the guy.

Ty was absolutely an asshole first (though that was now a long time ago).
i'm the source, by the way.

[Baabin]

Tsk, Tsk Gentlemen... Take this off line as I find the language in most of
the responses to the side thread slightly offensive and not appropriate for
the group. I do know that Ty was one of the only individuals who answered a
question I had in an intelligent and adult manner with a very warm follow
on. His thing appears to be studio related, and this is more of a quick "
Hand Held/High Portability" Field Recording issue IMHO.

Ty, don't get sucked into things like this. From my experience with you are
too professional to let that happen, and some hate those who have a more
solid foundation than they..

Smitty

"paul" wrote in message
...

"Scott Fraser" wrote in message
oups.com...
you are an asshole first,

Are you sure about that? I haven't purused the cast of characters in a
while, but if memory serves me right, I'm pretty sure that Ty isn't
the guy who is an asshole first. Check your sources & get back to us.

Scott Fraser


Ty has been an asshole and a hypocrite, and struts around with a "holier
than thou" attitude. he brought that attitude here to this thread. he hasn't
changed much in the 5 years i have been lurking here. thats just my opinion.
he asked, and i answered. if he is your friend or if you disagree with me,
thats fine. its a free country. i was just trying to be honest with the guy.

Ty was absolutely an asshole first (though that was now a long time ago).
i'm the source, by the way.

[hank alrich]

Scott Fraser wrote:

you are an asshole first,

Are you sure about that? I haven't purused the cast of characters in a
while, but if memory serves me right, I'm pretty sure that Ty isn't
the guy who is an asshole first. Check your sources & get back to us.

Scott Fraser

Right, I'm the guy who's an asshole first and then mellows on you later,
if I think you're worth the trouble. Ty does it the other way 'round.
Different strokes and all.

--
ha
"Iraq" is Arabic for "Vietnam"

wrote in message
. ..
I'm trying to assemble a complete recording system that can be picked up
in one hand and set up in 10 minutes or less. No wires can touch the
ground. I already have:

18' mike stand with 3' boom and microphone T-bar to allow placement of 2
mikes.

I need:

1. The 2 mikes. Back electret condenser mikes that can be used in either
a coincident, ORTF, NOS or M-S configuration. This will be a stereo only
setup. A small phantom supply can be used to operate the electronics.
Also acceptable is battery operation integral to the mike body.

2. The recorder. Small unit using flash memory for recording and a USB
output to download to my computer. Must record 16/44.1k wav files for at
least 4 hours. I will mount the recorder to one of the tripod legs of the
mike stand using velcro. The mike preamps must be sufficient as is, since
there will not be a separate mixer or preamp. It would be desirable,
although not essential, to be able to add memory cards if I'm not able to
download existing recordings before the next job.

It appears that the Zoom H4 recodrder and the behringer C-2 microphones are
the solution to my problem. Thanks to all you guys for the info. I
already have a 2GB SD memory card, and the mike stand. All I need now is a
single 5-conductor mike cable with breakouts to a pair of XLR connectors on
each end. Unless such a thing is manufactured, I'll probably end up making
it.

Thanks again to all of you.

Norm Strong

[Kurt Albershardt]

wrote:

Now for the mikes. My first thought is the Audio Tech AT-822 stereo
mike, or a couple of small cardioids by Sound Professionals.


My first thought would be to spend as much of the remaining budget as I
could manage on the best pair of mics I could find.

[Ty Ford]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:26:20 -0500, Baabin wrote
(in article ):

Tsk, Tsk Gentlemen... Take this off line as I find the language in most of
the responses to the side thread slightly offensive and not appropriate for
the group. I do know that Ty was one of the only individuals who answered a
question I had in an intelligent and adult manner with a very warm follow
on. His thing appears to be studio related, and this is more of a quick "
Hand Held/High Portability" Field Recording issue IMHO.

Ty, don't get sucked into things like this. From my experience with you are
too professional to let that happen, and some hate those who have a more
solid foundation than they..

Smitty

Thanks Smitty and Scott, et al,

Advice taken.

Several years ago I wrote a published review about a Chinese import
microphone that was dead nuts on honest. At some point later, I got into it
as honestly as I could with the head marketing guy who, as it turns out, uses
the same sort of syntax as Paul here. He was ****ed because I told it
straight out.

Either by his real name or another, this guy has tried to **** in my well on
more than one occasion, including trying shove **** in the ear of editors I
write for; downright character assassination. All of it has failed and has
ended up being part of the stuff we (editors and me) talk about when we're
shooting the bull over drinks.

Another marketing guy got really bent when I pointed out specific
deficiencies in his company's small monitors in a review. I posted the
results to this forum. Next AES, he faces off with me on the exhibit floor
with his boss standing at this side looking on. It was like freakin' "High
Noon." He's accusing me of things I never did and of saying things I didn't
say. A crowd gathers around us in the aisle of the show floor.

He rants. Seeing the crowd grow, I stay calm, hold my ground and hold him
accountable. At some point, after about 3-4 minutes, his boss sees the crowd
and how the deal is going and slinks off. The marketing guy literally gets
into my face. I'm not budging. (being taller helps). After the whole thing is
over, on the QT, he apologizes to me and cops to me that he HAD to do it for
his boss.

Guess what? My stock went up many points that day in the hearts and minds of
those who experienced that little piece of theater.

So, Paul, for your own sake, find a place to do something with all that hate.
Put the bag down, dude. You really have no idea how heavy it really is. If it
doesn't break your back, it'll eat your guts out.

Regards, (yes, to you too)

Ty Ford



--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU

[Ty Ford]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:26:20 -0500, Baabin wrote
(in article ):



Smitty,

How about a Sony HIMD recorder with a Rode Video Mic or Stereo Video Mic?

There's a review of the Sony HIMD recorder in my Other Gear Review folder.

Regards,

Ty Ford




--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU

[paul]

wrote in message
. ..

wrote in message
. ..
I'm trying to assemble a complete recording system that can be picked up
in one hand and set up in 10 minutes or less. No wires can touch the
ground. I already have:

18' mike stand with 3' boom and microphone T-bar to allow placement of 2
mikes.

I need:

1. The 2 mikes. Back electret condenser mikes that can be used in either
a coincident, ORTF, NOS or M-S configuration. This will be a stereo only
setup. A small phantom supply can be used to operate the electronics.
Also acceptable is battery operation integral to the mike body.

2. The recorder. Small unit using flash memory for recording and a USB
output to download to my computer. Must record 16/44.1k wav files for at
least 4 hours. I will mount the recorder to one of the tripod legs of
the mike stand using velcro. The mike preamps must be sufficient as is,
since there will not be a separate mixer or preamp. It would be
desirable, although not essential, to be able to add memory cards if I'm
not able to download existing recordings before the next job.

It appears that the Zoom H4 recodrder and the behringer C-2 microphones
are the solution to my problem. Thanks to all you guys for the info. I
already have a 2GB SD memory card, and the mike stand. All I need now is
a single 5-conductor mike cable with breakouts to a pair of XLR connectors
on each end. Unless such a thing is manufactured, I'll probably end up
making it.

Thanks again to all of you.

Norm Strong

good luck with that. i think you'll be happy with your decision.

paul

[Scott Fraser]

Several years ago I wrote a published review about a Chinese import
microphone that was dead nuts on honest. At some point later, I got into it
as honestly as I could with the head marketing guy who, as it turns out, uses
the same sort of syntax as Paul here. He was ****ed because I told it
straight out.

Sounds too reminicent of a parlay I had over comments I made here on a
certain Chinese mic. Must be the same guy. If so, he seems to have
disappeared from the scene.

The marketing guy literally gets into my face. I'm not budging. (being taller helps).

In a physical confrontation I would want to be on Ty's side of the
room.

I still don't know which portable recorder to buy, though.

Scott Fraser

[hank alrich]

Scott Fraser wrote:

Several years ago I wrote a published review about a Chinese import
microphone that was dead nuts on honest. At some point later, I got into
it as honestly as I could with the head marketing guy who, as it turns
out, uses the same sort of syntax as Paul here. He was ****ed because I
told it straight out.

Sounds too reminicent of a parlay I had over comments I made here on a
certain Chinese mic. Must be the same guy. If so, he seems to have
disappeared from the scene.

The marketing guy literally gets into my face. I'm not budging. (being
taller helps).

In a physical confrontation I would want to be on Ty's side of the
room.

I still don't know which portable recorder to buy, though.

Sound Devices.

--
ha
"Iraq" is Arabic for "Vietnam"

[Baabin]

Scott,

How about a few more parameters on this such as your intended use, your
budget, and your expectations... Check the Sound Professionals site
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cg...&citem=ED-R-09
for a little insight. I personally like the Zoom H4 due to its versatility
and mic capacities, and for any of the hits given it, I have found easy and
inexpensive workaround solutions so... that was my choice.

Smitty


"Scott Fraser" wrote in message
ps.com...
Several years ago I wrote a published review about a Chinese import
microphone that was dead nuts on honest. At some point later, I got into
it
as honestly as I could with the head marketing guy who, as it turns out,
uses
the same sort of syntax as Paul here. He was ****ed because I told it
straight out.

Sounds too reminicent of a parlay I had over comments I made here on a
certain Chinese mic. Must be the same guy. If so, he seems to have
disappeared from the scene.

The marketing guy literally gets into my face. I'm not budging. (being
taller helps).

In a physical confrontation I would want to be on Ty's side of the
room.

I still don't know which portable recorder to buy, though.

Scott Fraser

[Ty Ford]

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:27:07 -0500, hank alrich wrote
(in article ):

Scott Fraser wrote:

Several years ago I wrote a published review about a Chinese import
microphone that was dead nuts on honest. At some point later, I got into
it as honestly as I could with the head marketing guy who, as it turns
out, uses the same sort of syntax as Paul here. He was ****ed because I
told it straight out.

Sounds too reminicent of a parlay I had over comments I made here on a
certain Chinese mic. Must be the same guy. If so, he seems to have
disappeared from the scene.

The marketing guy literally gets into my face. I'm not budging. (being
taller helps).

In a physical confrontation I would want to be on Ty's side of the
room.

I still don't know which portable recorder to buy, though.

Sound Devices.

Sound decision!

Ty


--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU

[Baabin]

Cute play on words there Ty...

Smitty

"Ty Ford" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:27:07 -0500, hank alrich wrote
(in article ):

Scott Fraser wrote:

Several years ago I wrote a published review about a Chinese import
microphone that was dead nuts on honest. At some point later, I got into
it as honestly as I could with the head marketing guy who, as it turns
out, uses the same sort of syntax as Paul here. He was ****ed because I
told it straight out.

Sounds too reminicent of a parlay I had over comments I made here on a
certain Chinese mic. Must be the same guy. If so, he seems to have
disappeared from the scene.

The marketing guy literally gets into my face. I'm not budging. (being
taller helps).

In a physical confrontation I would want to be on Ty's side of the
room.

I still don't know which portable recorder to buy, though.

Sound Devices.

Sound decision!

Ty


--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU

[[email protected]]

On Feb 21, 10:53 am, "Scott Fraser"
wrote:

I still don't know which portable recorder to buy, though.

Scott Fraser

Sound Devices 702. Works fine, lasts long time. First rate mic
preamps, converters, solid build, uses camcorder style batteries for a
lot of flexibility. 702 makes no acoustic noise. 722 makes a little
(hard drive) but you have to put your ear up to the case in a very
quiet room to hear it. For me the 702 replaces a 6 space rack with a
GR MP2MH, Symetrix 620 and Tascam DA-30mkII. Now I carry 2 lbs instead
of 40 lbs. Still use the GR & Symetrix in the studio.

bobs

Bob Smith
BS Studios
we organize chaos
http://www.bsstudios.com

"Baabin" wrote in message
...
Scott,

How about a few more parameters on this such as your intended use, your
budget, and your expectations... Check the Sound Professionals site
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cg...&citem=ED-R-09
for a little insight. I personally like the Zoom H4 due to its versatility
and mic capacities, and for any of the hits given it, I have found easy
and
inexpensive workaround solutions so... that was my choice.

Smitty

What's the best place to buy an H4 and a pair of Behringer C-2's that's not
in Washington state?

Thanks,

Norm Strong

[hank alrich]

wrote:

What's the best place to buy an H4 and a pair of Behringer C-2's that's not
in Washington state?

To avoid sales tax on a pittance? What funds your libraries?

--
ha
"Iraq" is Arabic for "Vietnam"

[Mike Rivers]

On Feb 22, 3:19 pm, wrote:

What's the best place to buy an H4 and a pair of Behringer C-2's that's not
in Washington state?

How about Full Compass Systems? You don't really have to worry about
"best" because the H4 is $299 anywhere you go. They have a pair of
Behringer C2s for fifty bucks. How can you go wrong?

[John Lamp]

wrote:

"Baabin" wrote in message
...

Scott,

How about a few more parameters on this such as your intended use, your
budget, and your expectations... Check the Sound Professionals site
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cg...&citem=ED-R-09
for a little insight. I personally like the Zoom H4 due to its versatility
and mic capacities, and for any of the hits given it, I have found easy
and
inexpensive workaround solutions so... that was my choice.

Smitty


What's the best place to buy an H4 and a pair of Behringer C-2's that's not
in Washington state?

CC's Light and Sound in South Melbourne - that's about as far as you can
get from Washington state ... and bring some rain with you!

Cheers
Goaty
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[Tobiah]

Tobiah,

I'm confused. I thought this was some sort of musical performance you were
looking to record. What exactly do you want to do?


I just want to build a library of all sorts of
sounds to use in computer music compositions.

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